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Posted: 2/18/2022 9:29:44 PM EDT
Dirk dug a hole that is 10 feet deep.

How can you represent the magnitude of the hole's depth?

a). 10
b). -10
c). |10|
d). |-10|

Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:31:59 PM EDT
[#1]
It’s A
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:32:44 PM EDT
[#2]
D looks like it has the highest probability of being what they want.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:33:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:33:45 PM EDT
[#4]
Magnitude --> absolute value so either C or D....

I'll go with D.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:35:35 PM EDT
[#5]
Are the bracket dodads representative of magnitude?

I honestly do not remember learning about magnitude at any point in school.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:36:28 PM EDT
[#6]
.      
|    |
|    |
|    |
|10|

edit the depth is 10ft
the height is -10ft.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:38:58 PM EDT
[#7]
A. 10
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:39:55 PM EDT
[#8]
If I were 100’ ASL..Wouldn’t the answer be 90’?
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:40:54 PM EDT
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I don’t recall ever seeing that in school either
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:41:17 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:41:53 PM EDT
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Magnitude doesn't have direction, so A. Not confident that's what the teacher thinks is right.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:47:39 PM EDT
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Its C, technically C and D say the same thing but because the negative sign is meaningless in a magnitude I personally wouldn't write it like that. Depending on the teachers intent, after you apply the |-10| operator it does equal 10 so maybe that's the answer that's being asked for? That's pretty cool she's learning about stuff like that so early!
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:49:24 PM EDT
[#13]
This is some dipshit "math"
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:50:13 PM EDT
[#14]
the only correct answer would be: the pile of removed dirt next to the hole, shows the magnitude of the hole
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:51:33 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:52:10 PM EDT
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|-10| is likely what the teacher lady is asking.

But A, C, and D are all valid end answers in my opinion.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:52:57 PM EDT
[#17]
This is why I take either so long as the kid uses a sentence with it. My curriculum wants both. I'm very lenient in regard to what I take for this lesson.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:53:50 PM EDT
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This.
Does the teacher have a degree in Education or Math...? One would need to know.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:53:54 PM EDT
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And a frame of reference is also important. Is depth negative? It might not be.

Kharn
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:54:28 PM EDT
[#20]
it is the AV of the well depth. math and measurements are abstract so there are all sorts of ways to use it in very specific applications, like the limited circumstances when AV would be practically applied
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:54:51 PM EDT
[#21]
Thanks for the heads up.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 9:58:00 PM EDT
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I answered B.

Magnitude seems like a vector, value and direction

It seems like A, C, D are the same value expressed in different ways.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:00:03 PM EDT
[#23]
Tell her to ask the teacher to solve 3x+1.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:00:30 PM EDT
[#24]
B and C.  B is ten below zero and C is the absolute value of -10 ( distance of ten units from zero on the number line ).
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:02:35 PM EDT
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D looks like it has the highest probability of being what they want.
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This
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:03:29 PM EDT
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B and C.  B is ten below zero and C is the absolute value of -10 ( distance of ten units from zero on the number line ).
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It's d. It's the absolute value of -10.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:05:21 PM EDT
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I’m an engineer and I’ve never seen “|X|”

Seems fucky for no other purpose than being fucky.

But I’ve been wrong before. Once.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:07:16 PM EDT
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I’m an engineer and I’ve never seen “|X|”

Seems fucky for no other purpose than being fucky.

But I’ve been wrong before. Once.
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Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man.

ETA:

E. Racism
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:08:49 PM EDT
[#29]
If we were in the real world, like a chemical plant, and measuring something like absolute pressure, it would be 4.7psia ().

I’d mark up the question with “answers do not denote units so none are correct.”
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:09:46 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:11:34 PM EDT
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That's the standard notation for the absolute value of X.

Eighth grade math, probably 6th grade in rural Missouri.
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I'm an engineer and I've never seen "|X|"

Seems fucky for no other purpose than being fucky.

But I've been wrong before. Once.
That's the standard notation for the absolute value of X.

Eighth grade math, probably 6th grade in rural Missouri.


I may vaguely remember that? It’s used absolutely never in the real world, that I’ve seen.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:12:10 PM EDT
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And a frame of reference is also important. Is depth negative? It might not be.

Kharn
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Magnitude doesn't have direction, so A. Not confident that's what the teacher thinks is right.

And a frame of reference is also important. Is depth negative? It might not be.

Kharn

Frame of reference is irrelevant to magnitude. That's  the whole point of separating it out.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:13:12 PM EDT
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Magnitude is a representation of distance, which is found using absolute values. As a result, the answer should be  |-10|.

i.e. the hole is 10 feet deep, hence the -10. Its magnitude is the absolute value of its depth, |-10|.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:14:22 PM EDT
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The MAGNITUDE IS REPRESENTED BY THE ABSOLUTE VALUE.
|10|=|-10| = 10

So in this case any of these above answers would be considered to be correct. The Magnitude wouldn't have a negative sign on it since Magnitude does not indicate direction.
A physical example would be speed vs velocity....velocity has BOTH speed and direction...speed would be the MAGNITUDE

However if one wants to get more technical another way to look at it would be in terms of exponents and base....if we are talking about Base 10 then the order of magnitude (exponent) would be 1 (10^1) (10^1 = 10)

However both |10| and |-10| would equal 10...so we're back to square one (no pun intended)
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:14:41 PM EDT
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It's d. It's the absolute value of -10.
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Which is 10, which is a, which also happens to be c.

Jeff has 8 apples and and Mary has 4.  What's the ratio of Mary's apples to Jeff's?

2/4
2
1/2
4/8

I agree that d is probably what the teacher is looking for though, and the problem is likely more difficult than anything an elementary education major had to learn in college.  They're not even required to take algebra in some programs.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:16:13 PM EDT
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This is some dipshit "math"
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IOW, you don't know the answer.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:17:58 PM EDT
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Holes don't have feet.
Girls don't dig holes.
Get your daughter outta that "school".



Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:18:11 PM EDT
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I’m an engineer and I’ve never seen “|X|”

Seems fucky for no other purpose than being fucky.

But I’ve been wrong before. Once.
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Plenty of engineers are living kickass lives
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:18:44 PM EDT
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Magnitude is a directional value that represents distance. As a result, the answer should be  |-10|.
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No. By definition magnitude does not have direction. Anything with a negative sign is not written correctly, and the absolute value symbol is completely redundant.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:19:00 PM EDT
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It would appear based on the definition of magnitude - all answers are correct.

You could "dig" a hole up, down, sideways...
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:19:15 PM EDT
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Everyone gets an 'A'!

...
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:19:46 PM EDT
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What direction we talking about here?...
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:20:26 PM EDT
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I’m an engineer and I’ve never seen “|X|”

Seems fucky for no other purpose than being fucky.

But I’ve been wrong before. Once.
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Dude.  How are you an engineer that doesn't know the symbol for absolute value?
Are you really an engineer?  Like as in licensed engineer???
I think I recall things such that the answer is A but I'm wrong al the damn time and definitely not an engineer either
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:20:42 PM EDT
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If anything this demonstrates the dumbness of government school vs. real world “we need to make a profit and not kill/injure people” math.

“You got the answer wrong because you did the little bar symbol wrong”

Vs

“They forgot to tell you it’s 10bar, not 10inwc, so you’re dead now, my bad.”
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:21:36 PM EDT
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It would appear based on the definition of magnitude - all answers are correct.

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Fairly sure a comma or few a required there^. How can we have a serious math talk if we can't even english right?!...
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:22:45 PM EDT
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Fairly sure a comma or few a required there^. How can we have a serious math talk if we can't even english right?!...
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Not sure what your speaking about.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:23:19 PM EDT
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Dude.  How are you an engineer that doesn't know the symbol for absolute value?
Are you really an engineer?  Like as in licensed engineer???
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I’m an engineer and I’ve never seen “|X|”

Seems fucky for no other purpose than being fucky.

But I’ve been wrong before. Once.

Dude.  How are you an engineer that doesn't know the symbol for absolute value?
Are you really an engineer?  Like as in licensed engineer???


Yes.

I’ve reviewed thousands of data sheets for every type of valve and instrument imaginable and the magic symbol for absolute value has been used on exactly zero of them.

An absolute unit, like pressure, would be indicated as “psia” as opposed to something like psig for gauge pressure.

ETA: okay, I read an write up on it and it jogged my memory from back in school. Not exactly the same thing as absolute pressure.

|X| is literally never used in petrochemical or oil & gas engineering. I stand by my statement that all answers are wrong because they are unitless.

Also A, C, and D are all the equal. I’d really like to hear the teacher’s explanation for why one is correct.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:30:38 PM EDT
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Absolute value.
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:34:55 PM EDT
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|-10| is likely what the teacher lady is asking.

But A, C, and D are all valid end answers in my opinion.
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This is where I'm at
Link Posted: 2/18/2022 10:46:36 PM EDT
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I stand by my statement that all answers are wrong because they are unitless.

Also A, C, and D are all the equal. I’d really like to hear the teacher’s explanation for why one is correct.
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|10| = |-10| = 10

Book is stupid, question is stupid, teacher is probably stupid.
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