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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:21:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People keep saying price gouging is a myth…. All I know is that vehicles that have ADMs were acquired by the dealer for invoice If it’s anything bleeding heart liberals do… I wish they abolish dealers Franchise laws and get rid of them I want to buy my shit from the factory It's none of your business what a dealership pays. It's your business what you are will to pay. NO ONE owes you a vehicle let alone the one you want at the price you want. No such thing as price gouging. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:24:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If in 5 years from now they are 10% cheaper than everywhere else will people remember or will they shop that sweet low price? When I buy a vehicle, I am simply buying a commodity. I don't care what bread cost a year ago when I decide to purchase another loaf. What matters is the product and the price right now. Their prices a year, a month, or a week ago don't matter. Only my immediate transaction matters. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:25:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s insane. And wrong. How, exactly, is it wrong? It's his property. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:27:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree that there is no such thing as price gouging, but this isn't an example. Really, price gouging is pretty rare. Please give us an example. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:28:10 AM EDT
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Most people don't realize that vehicle sales is one of the lowest profit percentages of anything consumer good.
You make a grand or two on a 10-20k vehicle. Maybe 4-5k on a 75-100k vehicle. (Not including the current market of "area adjustment" over msrp. So basically a dealer makes about 5% or less from you on a purchase. Still customers b**h and moan about dealers.... Yet you will go buy a pair of jeans or shoes, or anything for that matter, that the company is making 35-75% profit on....  |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:30:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are buying new you shouldn’t have to pay over sticker for that. Sad....so sad.  |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:31:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, dealerships are absolutely out of control. The best and quickest way to fix it: STOP BUYING. If they're really ticking you off, and you wanted to buy and would have at the msrp ... make it a point to go walk into the door and *tell them.* If only the government would step in and control prices. What could go wrong? |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:34:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree that have said screw it, let’s be pigs. I disagree that they have done the long term math vs just going for the short term. Every sale is a short-term proposition. It is a transaction right now at an agreed-to price on a specific item in an agreed upon means of payment. A business has to make money while the sun shines. If a business waits on the generosity of the general public, it will be gone. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:47:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product. There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. This is correct. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:52:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people don't realize that vehicle sales is one of the lowest profit percentages of anything consumer good. You make a grand or two on a 10-20k vehicle. Maybe 4-5k on a 75-100k vehicle. (Not including the current market of "area adjustment" over msrp. So basically a dealer makes about 5% or less from you on a purchase. Still customers b**h and moan about dealers.... Yet you will go buy a pair of jeans or shoes, or anything for that matter, that the company is making 35-75% profit on.... You're wasting your breath. They don't want to hear the truth. New car buyers have spent the last 25 years playing dealers against each other to buy a car as cheaply as possible. All the while laughing at how they screwed those * evil car dealers *. Now, the shoe is on the other foot, and the whining is full throttle. When I started selling cars in the 80's, we had an ADM, and we negotiated from it. Just like today. Everything old is new again. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:01:38 AM EDT
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Dodge dealer a few miles away in NY supposedly has trucks at msrp plus some 1500 rebate.....
https://www.zapponechryslerjeepdodge.com/new-Granville-2022-RAM-1500-Big+Horn+Quad+Cab-1C6SRFBT6NN133372 |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:10:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Geez....be clear. Did you pay sticker or $15,000 over sticker? Sticker, no D & H. I would never pay a penny over for anything. They had a F-150 Tremor 402A for $5K over sticker. Told me they'd give me $44k for my 2019 Lariat F-150 with 47k miles. If they sold the Tremor at sticker I'd do it, but they wont since it's an abandoned order turned out to stock. Fucking absurd... |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:12:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're lucky. I have to find a vehicle and I'm stuck paying nosebleed rices for a used suv. What I've seen: 1) dealerships absolutely will not sell inventory to other dealers. They're offering $5k over sticker, but dealers with inventory won't sell because the market is hot and they fear losing future allocation. 2) you can get better financing on a new vehicle, but thats only if you can find a new vehicle. Toyota is selling 2022 4runners, but you'll wait 3-5 months to get the one you ordered. 3) used Nissan and domestic sedans are elevated in price, but much more reasonable than trucks/suvs. Jeep grand Cherokees are fairly relatively reasonable in price. 4) Any 4runner 2015 or newer is bringing in stupid money. You can find a "deal" as long as you're ok with 140k+ miles on the odometer (or something beat to hell). 5) full size trucks? Good luck. I talked to a guy at the dealership who drove 650 miles just to buy a truck. He said he'd been looking for months. 6) you can forget haggling over price. 7) it's possible to save a little cash if you're ok with buying a used car, unseen in person, from carmax, vroom, or carvana. But you won't save much ($1k or so) relative to the risk of buying a used car unseen. 8) Because I have to buy a vehicle now, used car prices will plummet this coming Monday at 3:30pm (when I pick up my used 4runner). Wait until Tuesday morning and get what you want at normal prices. You're welcome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was in the market for a new car Jokes on them. I can keep the mant. going on my honda and just wait them out a few years  You're lucky. I have to find a vehicle and I'm stuck paying nosebleed rices for a used suv. What I've seen: 1) dealerships absolutely will not sell inventory to other dealers. They're offering $5k over sticker, but dealers with inventory won't sell because the market is hot and they fear losing future allocation. 2) you can get better financing on a new vehicle, but thats only if you can find a new vehicle. Toyota is selling 2022 4runners, but you'll wait 3-5 months to get the one you ordered. 3) used Nissan and domestic sedans are elevated in price, but much more reasonable than trucks/suvs. Jeep grand Cherokees are fairly relatively reasonable in price. 4) Any 4runner 2015 or newer is bringing in stupid money. You can find a "deal" as long as you're ok with 140k+ miles on the odometer (or something beat to hell). 5) full size trucks? Good luck. I talked to a guy at the dealership who drove 650 miles just to buy a truck. He said he'd been looking for months. 6) you can forget haggling over price. 7) it's possible to save a little cash if you're ok with buying a used car, unseen in person, from carmax, vroom, or carvana. But you won't save much ($1k or so) relative to the risk of buying a used car unseen. 8) Because I have to buy a vehicle now, used car prices will plummet this coming Monday at 3:30pm (when I pick up my used 4runner). Wait until Tuesday morning and get what you want at normal prices. You're welcome. As someone who needs a vehicle now, you benefit the most from market prices that rise in response to scarcity. If dealers didn't raise prices as supply drops all the people like the guy you quoted who have a perfectly good vehicle or three but simply want a new one would be in the market competing with you for the limited number of vehicles available. Better hope you get to the dealer before they do. It's the same deal with ammo. People here claim high ammo prices are screwing over new gun owners. It's just the opposite. With the limited supply available, if ammo prices stayed low and those of us with ammo forts kept stacking them higher, the newbies would have a much harder time finding their first box of ammo for their new guns. High prices induce those of us who have our immediate needs covered to stop buying, making it easier for the new guy for whom even a small amount of ammo is valuable because he's starting from zero. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:31:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yow, glad it worked out for you... that's a lot of faith that you'll fit in the vehicle well and like it for however long you plan on keeping it. Like I said before, I've test driven vehicles that - from a design standpoint - I really wanted and liked the look of, but then once I sat in it, it was and instant "nope". No legroom/narrow footwell, too low to the ground, you name it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I do have to ask, honest question: how does this work? How do you test drive a vehicle if there is not one or several to drive at a dealer? Just make them factory show rooms. With all the models… makes sense, and what I was considering after I hit submit on that post. A much smaller footprint, with just several examples of the vehicles but no acres of inventory. …Because test drives are mandatory, even now. I’ve had vehicles I wanted that were instantly disqualified when I sat in them and drove them. Even features … I test drove a newer Cherokee (than my ‘17) and it had lane keep assist… F that crap. I drive straight lines but often dodge potholes so I move BOOP about the BOOPBOOP lane on BOOPBOOPBOOOPBOOOP occasion.  Granted, up until recently I've only bought used, but I don't think I've ever test driven a vehicle. I bought a few at auction down south, drove down and got them. My current truck I called the dealership because they had the size and trim level I wanted and told them I would pick it up in two days. My test drive was the 3 hour drive home. Yow, glad it worked out for you... that's a lot of faith that you'll fit in the vehicle well and like it for however long you plan on keeping it. Like I said before, I've test driven vehicles that - from a design standpoint - I really wanted and liked the look of, but then once I sat in it, it was and instant "nope". No legroom/narrow footwell, too low to the ground, you name it. I just need a full size truck for work, and I'm average as far as height and weight to, so I fit into everything. I don't really care much about the driving experience or anything though, I can adapt to a new vehicle quickly enough, as long as it starts every day and tows what I need towed that's all I want out of it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:33:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One day this will bite them in the ass along with all the other companies. We can then sit back and laugh. I'm all for making a fair profit on something, but some of this shit is just no right. If people are spending it and demand is still sky high. What makes that wrong? |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:35:37 AM EDT
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dbl
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:36:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's none of your business what a dealership pays. It's your business what you are will to pay. NO ONE owes you a vehicle let alone the one you want at the price you want. No such thing as price gouging. Half this place are either Communists or Bernie Bros. They will never understand your points |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:40:51 AM EDT
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People don’t think free markets be like they be, but them do.
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:41:50 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: it makes zero fucking sense to pay 15-25k more this year for the same truck I bought last year. Huh?? When that same truck is $35k-$50k more next year, you’ll understand why it made sense to buy this year. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:43:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a local dealer who I will never visit again. Have bought several cars from them over the years. They changed ownership 3 years ago and are now asking insane prices for used beaters and ludicrous prices for new cars. We're talking $27k for a 2014 honda civic with 200k miles sort of pricing. $80k base model bronco pricing. The other dealers in the area are doing 10-15% market adjustment. Not 200%. Do they really think people won't remember? Generally people are stupid and have short memories. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:43:46 AM EDT
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I bought a brand new truck from a dealership when I was 18 in 2000.
I promised myself I’d never do that again and I still haven’t. I’m not sure what’s worse, the dealerships asking these crazy prices, or the fools that are paying it. But even during normal times I think people are foolish for buying a brand new car. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:46:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf you absolutely had to have one, there it was. Price increases allow for availability of goods during scarcity. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:48:37 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was in the market for a new car Jokes on them. I can keep the mant. going on my honda and just wait them out a few years You’re betting that things will be better in a few years. Between rampant inflation, rising interest rates, constant attacks on the supply chain, and attacks on fossil fuels, good luck. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:55:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Self-correcting problem. This. I went to buy a new car and they didn't have any. I can either pay the $40k for a Kia Spectra or I can make my little current car last. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:55:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Half this place are either Communists or Bernie Bros. They will never understand your points Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's none of your business what a dealership pays. It's your business what you are will to pay. NO ONE owes you a vehicle let alone the one you want at the price you want. No such thing as price gouging. Half this place are either Communists or Bernie Bros. They will never understand your points It is sad seeing people who would tell you - probably believing it, too - to your face that they’re rugged individualists, staunch conservatives… yet espouse communism in their actions. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 11:57:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a local dealer who I will never visit again. Have bought several cars from them over the years. They changed ownership 3 years ago and are now asking insane prices for used beaters and ludicrous prices for new cars. We're talking $27k for a 2014 honda civic with 200k miles sort of pricing. $80k base model bronco pricing. The other dealers in the area are doing 10-15% market adjustment. Not 200%. Do they really think people won't remember? It's not immoral if they're still moving inventory at a healthy rate. I absolutely hate the current situation, but market price is determined by the buyers, not the sellers. If a dealership wanted to be a bunch of good guy Gregs and not market adjust shit right now, what would happen is that people would scoop up their inventory and immediately flip it for a profit anyway. They aren't your friends, but the blame here ultimately lies on your fellow consumers, not them. If people stopped paying (or more likely, financing) obscene prices, the market adjustments would disappear. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:14:51 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dealers are just the middleman…..we need to move away from the antiquated setup of needing to go through one and have direct order and deliver from manufacturers. They can have service centers instead. I pray that some day, people that think like that, will actually have to deal directly with the manufacturer when they need a part, or when their part is on backorder with no ETA. And there will be no dealership employee to yell at, no dealership manager to ask for, no dealership owner to threaten to "go-to", when they don't like the |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:27:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So then go buy a Tesla and stop bitching. If Ford wants to sell through dealers that's their prerogative. There are literally state laws preventing that. Auto dealerships are literally a classic example of rent-seeking. The don’t build, improve, create, design, etc. the product There are laws in place protecting their stranglehold on the product. The dealer adjusted markups for straight to the dealer and no profits to those actually building the product. It’s one of the dirty aspects of capitalism. The world does not advance and nothing improves because of middle men. Laws going into place that prevented direct sales in any state where there was a franchise was a grimy political, business deal to milk money out of the buyer. There could still be warranty and service franchises that also sold used. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:28:04 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So then go buy a Tesla and stop bitching. If Ford wants to sell through dealers that's their prerogative. There are literally state laws preventing that. Auto dealerships are literally a classic example of rent-seeking. The don’t build, improve, create, design, etc. the product There are laws in place protecting their stranglehold on the product. The dealer adjusted markups for straight to the dealer and no profits to those actually building the product. It’s one of the dirty aspects of capitalism. The world does not advance and nothing improves because of middle men. Laws going into place that prevented direct sales in any state where there was a franchise was a grimy political, business deal to milk money out of the buyer. There could still be warranty and service franchises that also sold used. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:40:22 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people don't realize that vehicle sales is one of the lowest profit percentages of anything consumer good. You make a grand or two on a 10-20k vehicle. Maybe 4-5k on a 75-100k vehicle. (Not including the current market of "area adjustment" over msrp. So basically a dealer makes about 5% or less from you on a purchase. Still customers b**h and moan about dealers.... Yet you will go buy a pair of jeans or shoes, or anything for that matter, that the company is making 35-75% profit on.... With cars, long ago some dudes dressed like Boss Hogg worked out some deal of the type that the lawyer and the banker and the business owners and the state elected officials and the states federal representatives all found a way to skim money off the consumer and the maker and put it in their pockets. The didn’t earn the money, they didn’t design, produce, create, etc. The product. I HAVE to go, say for a new Ram, to an official dealer. If I want to buy jeans or shoes I can select from a variety of unrelated shops, internet sites, even direct from the maker based on price, availability, time to receive, etc. Take away the laws protecting dealer franchises and let the market decide. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:43:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only the government would step in and control prices. What could go wrong? What the monkey fuck! What part do you cretins not understand? The government and laws already stepped in decades and decades ago- And make it illegal for makers to sell direct to consumers. I’m sure as F not asking for the government to step in and control prices. I want to eliminate the back room, rent seeking, shady laws forcing the makers and the buyers to have to use a dealership. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:48:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every sale is a short-term proposition. It is a transaction right now at an agreed-to price on a specific item in an agreed upon means of payment. A business has to make money while the sun shines. If a business waits on the generosity of the general public, it will be gone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree that have said screw it, let’s be pigs. I disagree that they have done the long term math vs just going for the short term. Every sale is a short-term proposition. It is a transaction right now at an agreed-to price on a specific item in an agreed upon means of payment. A business has to make money while the sun shines. If a business waits on the generosity of the general public, it will be gone. Interesting. I would suggest looking at the history and business model of Rolex- Which is the exact opposite of the revolving CEOs, fixated on quarterly only numbers, screeching BOD for ‘mo money RFN and damn the long term consequences, cheaper overseas labor, cheaper contracting, put their name on cheap crap to increase market share, etc. model in America that is crushing society or several of their previous competitors that went out of business. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:49:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not when you are required to use a third party to order the vehicle you want. It's 2022, you should be able to just call up a Ford rep, order what you want at the current MSRP plus delivery, and get on the list. Dealers in the middle can turn it into a skim fest and you have to call all over to see who is going to fuck you the least. Price gouging is a myth. NO ONE owes you a certain vehicle at a certain time at the certain price. You are not entitled to transportation. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:52:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But ask $5.00 for a bag of ice after a hurricane and then you go to prison. Another case that is not price gouging. No one is entitled to ice. Most of the world lives without refrigeration. If a person chooses to buy food that is easily perishable no one is obligated to sell them ice if the power goes out. A person can live on food that does not require refrigeration. We are not entitled to something just because we have chosen to put ourselves into that situation. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:56:46 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Half this place are either Communists or Bernie Bros. They will never understand your points Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's none of your business what a dealership pays. It's your business what you are will to pay. NO ONE owes you a vehicle let alone the one you want at the price you want. No such thing as price gouging. Half this place are either Communists or Bernie Bros. They will never understand your points In order for their to be a free market and actual supply/demand, There cannot be a government enforced/legal situations giving an entity carte Blanche with the supply line. That’s what we have with the dealer system. There an entity, say, like real estate / realtors. But I don’t have to list with or sell through a real estate agency. There is no stranglehold on the housing market with half a dozen franchises / real estate companies. The free market/capitalism is NOT the government being used to fix the market. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:00:26 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just goes to prove you have no clue what you're talking about or think you know. Also, I'm willing to put up the money this very moment to purchase your home for its 2019 valuation, comrade. Do you think that dealers honoring x-plan or z-plan will ever come back in the foreseeable future? |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:02:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Sounds like the gov/dealerships are like oregon saying you cant pump your own gas
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:06:31 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not being a communist. Not a single fucktard at the dealership designed, improved, assembled, built, tested, certified, etc. those vehicles. Part of the cost of a vehicle is its delivery and preparation requirements. You are not entitled to any product let alone a new vehicle. Buy used or make do. They have a legal and political stranglehold on the cars coming out of the car companies factories. Yes, they do. But please show me any product out there that isn't wrapped up in federal/State requirements and crony capitalist protectionism. That's the reality of it all. Even so, you aren't entitled to buy a vehicle from a dealership. Not a single dime of what the dealership makes flings into more HP, a sweeter sport foe the peak of the torque curve, better brakes, better mpg, better transmission, etc. Dealerships provide goods and services pertaining to what they sell. They don't have to sell and you do not have to buy. I’ll be happy to pay the factory exactly what they charge the dealer for a car I order. And I'm sure you would be willing to sell your home at what you owe on it and not what the market will bear. It would be greedy for you to make more than 5% on the sale of your home, right? Or would you sell your home at the highest price you are offered and laugh all the way to the bank? I’ll be happy to pay the factory a non - discount price due to demand, shortage, increased costs on their part, etc. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:07:09 PM EDT
[#39]
Anyone know a Kia dealership in the SE that doesn’t mark up crazy?
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:10:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can hop in my car and buy all sorts of jams, jellies, dairy products, eggs, poultry, pork, beef, honey, vegetables, etc. locally straight from the source. I can order all sorts of sporting goods, ammo, etc. straight from the source. And that would be especially expensive given the costs of additional time and transportation. Not only would you not save, you would spend more. I can not go to a car factory and grab what I want or order one straight to my house. I do not have to go to an official Remington dealer, Winchester dealer, etc. to buy ammo. A political, legal system is in place protecting dealers from buyers keeping them from purchasing straight from the maker. Exactly the kind of shit communists do. What communists do is demand that the government give them what they want at the price they are willing to pay and not at a price that is economically sustainable. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:11:47 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fragment? For all intensive porpoises. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:12:37 PM EDT
[#42]
There's neckbearding in the car business right now.
I didn't want to sell new vehicles over msrp. Then the neckbeards started buying our highest demand vehicles and selling them to Carmax, Carvana, etc. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:20:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trucks literally trickle into dealers. Local high volume dealer is bragging they have ONE F150 in stocks ready for 24-48 hour delivery and TWO more coming in two to three weeks... |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:22:33 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a local dealer who I will never visit again. Have bought several cars from them over the years. They changed ownership 3 years ago and are now asking insane prices for used beaters and ludicrous prices for new cars. We're talking $27k for a 2014 honda civic with 200k miles sort of pricing. $80k base model bronco pricing. The other dealers in the area are doing 10-15% market adjustment. Not 200%. Do they really think people won't remember? Prime example of the "Live for Today because who knows what tomorrow will look like" ... On the Short Term they are making Bank, and the Managers Jobs & Compensation are all about "WHAT did YOU Earn THIS Month / Quarter / Year"... BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:26:13 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember what? It's not immoral if they're still moving inventory at a healthy rate. I absolutely hate the current situation, but market price is determined by the buyers, not the sellers. If a dealership wanted to be a bunch of good guy Gregs and not market adjust shit right now, what would happen is that people would scoop up their inventory and immediately flip it for a profit anyway. They aren't your friends, but the blame here ultimately lies on your fellow consumers, not them. If people stopped paying (or more likely, financing) obscene prices, the market adjustments would disappear. That's right. And the dealers that are trying to get over market demand will destroy their business. If they don't maintain market share and turn rate they eventually won't have anything to sell. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:28:14 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sticker, no D & H. I would never pay a penny over for anything. They had a F-150 Tremor 402A for $5K over sticker. Told me they'd give me $44k for my 2019 Lariat F-150 with 47k miles. If they sold the Tremor at sticker I'd do it, but they wont since it's an abandoned order turned out to stock. Fucking absurd... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Geez....be clear. Did you pay sticker or $15,000 over sticker? Sticker, no D & H. I would never pay a penny over for anything. They had a F-150 Tremor 402A for $5K over sticker. Told me they'd give me $44k for my 2019 Lariat F-150 with 47k miles. If they sold the Tremor at sticker I'd do it, but they wont since it's an abandoned order turned out to stock. Fucking absurd... So hold on... They're giving you $7-10k over your pre-shortage trade-in value, but you won't do the deal because you perceive you are over paying for a new one?  I love the hypocrisy in these threads |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:29:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Half this place are either Communists or Bernie Bros. They will never understand your points Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's none of your business what a dealership pays. It's your business what you are will to pay. NO ONE owes you a vehicle let alone the one you want at the price you want. No such thing as price gouging. Half this place are either Communists or Bernie Bros. They will never understand your points A truer statement has never been said |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:32:19 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dealerships also handle parts and service. Warranty work. Do you really think that manufacturers are also going to want to service your vehicle? They don't want to do that. QUOTED FOR TRUTH. Unlike most other consumer products, repair of automobiles requires a lot of infrastructure. The auto industry does not want to invest in infrastructure to support the consumer support. They contract it out, so to speak, via dealerships. Warranty work is NOT PROFITABLE for dealers. The manufacturer supplies parts to the dealer with no markup, and dictates to the dealer how many hours of labor they will pay for a given repair. Often, the actual repair time meets or exceeds the allowed amount. The only way a dealer can make money, other than through sale of new cars, is POST-warranty repairs. All of you advocating for manufacturer-direct sales of cars would basically degrade the dealer's customer support, because now dealers would compete with independent shops for vehicle repair. Dealership franchise agreements currently require that the technicians working on a particular brand of vehicle be trained, by the manufacturer, in specific repair procedures. Independent shops have no such requirement, of course. How many dealers would still want to continue to invest in training their technicaians when their primary business would now be post-warranty repairs, and hence would such investment would not be tied to sales incentives? I suspect that the overall customer satisfaction of such repairs would drop once dealers are no longer motivated to invest in that training. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:34:06 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's right. And the dealers that are trying to get over market demand will destroy their business. If they don't maintain market share and turn rate they eventually won't have anything to sell. All anyone has to do is negotiate from the ADM instead of MSRP. I'm guessing that in your dealerships, it's not just *here's the price, take it or leave it*. Negotiation is still taking place. Exactly like we did it in 1985... |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:34:32 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m not being a communist. Not a single fucktard at the dealership designed, improved, assembled, built, tested, certified, etc. those vehicles. Part of the cost of a vehicle is its delivery and preparation requirements. You are not entitled to any product let alone a new vehicle. Buy used or make do. They have a legal and political stranglehold on the cars coming out of the car companies factories. Yes, they do. But please show me any product out there that isn't wrapped up in federal/State requirements and crony capitalist protectionism. That's the reality of it all. Even so, you aren't entitled to buy a vehicle from a dealership. Not a single dime of what the dealership makes flings into more HP, a sweeter sport foe the peak of the torque curve, better brakes, better mpg, better transmission, etc. Dealerships provide goods and services pertaining to what they sell. They don't have to sell and you do not have to buy. I’ll be happy to pay the factory exactly what they charge the dealer for a car I order. And I'm sure you would be willing to sell your home at what you owe on it and not what the market will bear. It would be greedy for you to make more than 5% on the sale of your home, right? Or would you sell your home at the highest price you are offered and laugh all the way to the bank? I’ll be happy to pay the factory a non - discount price due to demand, shortage, increased costs on their part, etc. In this thread- We will find that people say you are not in favor of the “free market” and that think you are a “communist” if you do not support a political/legal government imposed system that forces a producer to put its product into a system, and forces a consumer to buy that product from that system, To the sole benefit of the proprietors of that system and the government. |
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