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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:23:20 PM EDT
civic buildings and commercial businesses like grocery stores in my area
they get pissed off when I ask to see their emergency exits I keep reporting them but it just keeps happening examples of where they would find the stacked bodies several thousand children were processed through this convention center in one day during a public event  200 women attended a luncheon in this hotel meeting room 2nd offense  hotel meeting room exit - hundreds in attendance 
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:29:09 PM EDT
[#1]
Just call the fire marshal. Hell I'm a private contractor that does fire alarm and fire sprinkler inspections and have written customers up for those same violations. Can't block egress doors or prevent them from opening.
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:29:25 PM EDT
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Top picture is also a code violation because it doesn’t have the required 12 inch door maneuvering clearance per ADA since it has a closer.
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:31:32 PM EDT
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That'll get you arrested by the fire marshals in the county I live in.
At work I will issue you a summons and cut the lock off with a saw.  |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:32:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just call the fire marshal. Hell I'm a private contractor that does fire alarm and fire sprinkler inspections and have written customers up for those same violations. Can't block egress doors or prevent them from opening. "I keep reporting them but it just keeps happening" |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:33:45 PM EDT
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Lock meet gun.
Rope meet knife. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:36:42 PM EDT
[#6]
Local, major grocery chain store
Used to have three, lighted public exits VERY busy, usually just packed with people remodeled the meat department - no visible exit any longer "curbside pickup" has become so successful they removed the light above exit #2 and now stack all the curbside delivery carts in front of it |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:39:07 PM EDT
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Looks like the lessons learned back in 1883 amd 1903 have been forgotten by some people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Hall_disaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:39:46 PM EDT
[#8]
Thread needs more bolt cutters.
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:43:45 PM EDT
[#9]
White snake concert venue
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:47:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: Looks like the lessons learned back in 1883 amd 1903 have been forgotten by some people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Hall_disaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire Quoted: White snake concert venue 
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: White snake concert venue |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:52:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong White band. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: White snake concert venue Yeah too bad it wasn't both. And throw Zombie in there too for good measure. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:54:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong White band. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: White snake concert venue GREAT catch. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:55:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah too bad it wasn't both. And throw Zombie in there too for good measure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: White snake concert venue Yeah too bad it wasn't both. And throw Zombie in there too for good measure. If you want to see an entire band perish, a plane crash is probably your best bet. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:55:41 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong White band. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: White snake concert venue Once.bitten. twice shy |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 8:57:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, only one member of Great White died in the Station fire. If you want to see an entire band perish, a plane crash is probably your best bet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: White snake concert venue Yeah too bad it wasn't both. And throw Zombie in there too for good measure. If you want to see an entire band perish, a plane crash is probably your best bet. Just most of the band. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:07:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like the lessons learned back in 1883 amd 1903 have been forgotten by some people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Hall_disaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire Quoted: White snake concert venue The biggest issue with the Station Nightclub fire was the use of pyrotechnics coupled with the highly flammable foam they had on the walls and (IIRC) ceiling. The saddest part is that many of the people who died cooked to death while stuck, piled like cordwood, in the main entrance doors. The incident is a great study on fire dynamics as well as human behavior. Despite fully marked emergency exits located right off the main floor where the fire occurred, only something like 8 people actually left the building through those exits. Everybody else fled for the main entrance - where they came in. This caused a logjam of people, in which nobody could move and 100 people burned to death. Moral of the story: In a panic situation, people tend to flee the way they came - even if a closer, quicker exit is right there in front of them. When I go to a theater or stadium or other public venue like that, I try to always discuss with my wife and kids where we will go in case of fire or emergency. I'm intentional about pointing out exits. If you're not consciously thinking about the emergency exit as an option before you need it, you will probably not think about it during an emergency either. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:18:01 PM EDT
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I worked for a company in the 80's that locked the fire doors. The night there was a fire, the guys who worked upstairs kicked the door open breaking the lock. The Fire Marshall was called. (Not by me.) I was not at work and arrived later, in time to see the Fire Marshall's car pull into the parking area. The next day, local NEWS expressly said that any reports of the Fire Marshall being called were erroneous.
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:19:22 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the lessons learned back in 1883 amd 1903 have been forgotten by some people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Hall_disaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire Triangle Shirtwaist fire, NY. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:30:07 PM EDT
[#20]
Might not hurt to send it to your local news station.
That first pic is also an ADA/TAS violation in addition to the absolutely terrible workmanship by the mason. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:30:53 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Triangle Shirtwaist fire, NY. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:34:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest issue with the Station Nightclub fire was the use of pyrotechnics coupled with the highly flammable foam they had on the walls and (IIRC) ceiling. The saddest part is that many of the people who died cooked to death while stuck, piled like cordwood, in the main entrance doors. The incident is a great study on fire dynamics as well as human behavior. Despite fully marked emergency exits located right off the main floor where the fire occurred, only something like 8 people actually left the building through those exits. Everybody else fled for the main entrance - where they came in. This caused a logjam of people, in which nobody could move and 100 people burned to death. Moral of the story: In a panic situation, people tend to flee the way they came - even if a closer, quicker exit is right there in front of them. When I go to a theater or stadium or other public venue like that, I try to always discuss with my wife and kids where we will go in case of fire or emergency. I'm intentional about pointing out exits. If you're not consciously thinking about the emergency exit as an option before you need it, you will probably not think about it during an emergency either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like the lessons learned back in 1883 amd 1903 have been forgotten by some people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Hall_disaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire Quoted: White snake concert venue The biggest issue with the Station Nightclub fire was the use of pyrotechnics coupled with the highly flammable foam they had on the walls and (IIRC) ceiling. The saddest part is that many of the people who died cooked to death while stuck, piled like cordwood, in the main entrance doors. The incident is a great study on fire dynamics as well as human behavior. Despite fully marked emergency exits located right off the main floor where the fire occurred, only something like 8 people actually left the building through those exits. Everybody else fled for the main entrance - where they came in. This caused a logjam of people, in which nobody could move and 100 people burned to death. Moral of the story: In a panic situation, people tend to flee the way they came - even if a closer, quicker exit is right there in front of them. When I go to a theater or stadium or other public venue like that, I try to always discuss with my wife and kids where we will go in case of fire or emergency. I'm intentional about pointing out exits. If you're not consciously thinking about the emergency exit as an option before you need it, you will probably not think about it during an emergency either. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:35:55 PM EDT
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I was a security officer in a college in ABQ. A CHILD CARE facility kept blocking the one emergency exit. Over a 9 month period I Ieft at least 10 written warnings, then escalated it 5 times to my supervisors, then finally to the safety coordinator... who got lines painted on the floor showing the 36" minimum safety distance required by law. The enlightened college children STILL didn't get the word. They finally complied when threatened with closure of their facility.
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:36:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was that the one which led to mandated outside fire escapes? Yes. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:46:09 PM EDT
[#25]
Who could have foreseen fireworks and foam rubber being a problem?
Common sense is becoming rare. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:46:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just most of the band. Then .38 Special shows up claiming to be the now-mostly-deceased plane crash band. Ron, Don, Jon, hell it don't matter. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:48:56 PM EDT
[#27]
The high school I attended did that. I brought bolt cutters and clipped a lot of locks and tossed them. F*ck those guys. There's a reason for a fire exit. Ah, the seventies. That must have been the highpoint of my two years of suffering at that sh*thole.
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:50:15 PM EDT
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ironic
attended a state convention presentations were scheduled at different venues around town one venue was the city's public drama bldg the presentation was on "active shooter" exit lights had been painted black when I spoke with the building manager he said with a straight face, "the exit lights would interfere with the stage presentations" my face burned redder than an exit light FUCKING IDIOTS!! |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:50:45 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who could have foreseen fireworks and foam rubber being a problem? Common sense is becoming rare.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 9:57:03 PM EDT
[#30]
Went to my sons high school year 2000 long story short all the exit doors are chained shut.Said to my wife were stopping at the fire house on our way home ,I'll fix this shit. Pictures in my head of fire trucks racing down there bolt cutters in hand.We can't do anything! Go home and call fire marshal,we have to give the schools 30 day insp notice so they can move cases of paint out of the boiler rooms and clear the exits and unlock all the doors Marshal says school principal can throw him off school property while the school is on fire.
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Posted: 3/22/2021 10:03:14 PM EDT
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My wife and I were in one of the Oklahoma casinos one time, we had been eating lunch and were finished and paid up, just finishing our drinks at that point when the fire alarms went off. We followed the waitstaff out the nearest exit, while watching people sit there pulling the lever on slot machines over and over while employees tried to get them to leave.
I turned to my wife and said, this is how people die unnecessarily. Turns out it was a real fire, although small and quickly put out. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 10:10:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest issue with the Station Nightclub fire was the use of pyrotechnics coupled with the highly flammable foam they had on the walls and (IIRC) ceiling. The saddest part is that many of the people who died cooked to death while stuck, piled like cordwood, in the main entrance doors. The incident is a great study on fire dynamics as well as human behavior. Despite fully marked emergency exits located right off the main floor where the fire occurred, only something like 8 people actually left the building through those exits. Everybody else fled for the main entrance - where they came in. This caused a logjam of people, in which nobody could move and 100 people burned to death. Moral of the story: In a panic situation, people tend to flee the way they came - even if a closer, quicker exit is right there in front of them. When I go to a theater or stadium or other public venue like that, I try to always discuss with my wife and kids where we will go in case of fire or emergency. I'm intentional about pointing out exits. If you're not consciously thinking about the emergency exit as an option before you need it, you will probably not think about it during an emergency either. I always look for alternative exits at any public place I spend time at both for fire and in the event of crime (robbery/crazy fuck etc). |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 10:14:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Look up the Happy Land Social Club.
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Posted: 3/22/2021 10:20:37 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I always look for alternative exits at any public place I spend time at both for fire and in the event of crime (robbery/crazy fuck etc). Always know your exits. My friends, parents and kids think I am paranoid. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 10:29:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the lessons learned back in 1883 amd 1903 have been forgotten by some people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Hall_disaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire I'm normally a MYOFB sort of guy when it comes to snitching for code violations, but yeah, most of the fire codes we have come from lessons learned via many people dying horrible deaths. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 10:58:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife and I were in one of the Oklahoma casinos one time, we had been eating lunch and were finished and paid up, just finishing our drinks at that point when the fire alarms went off. We followed the waitstaff out the nearest exit, while watching people sit there pulling the lever on slot machines over and over while employees tried to get them to leave. I turned to my wife and said, this is how people die unnecessarily. Turns out it was a real fire, although small and quickly put out. There was a school teacher who ignored a fire alarm. She said "I didn't know there would be a fire drill today." |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 11:38:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always look for alternative exits at any public place I spend time at both for fire and in the event of crime (robbery/crazy fuck etc). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The biggest issue with the Station Nightclub fire was the use of pyrotechnics coupled with the highly flammable foam they had on the walls and (IIRC) ceiling. The saddest part is that many of the people who died cooked to death while stuck, piled like cordwood, in the main entrance doors. The incident is a great study on fire dynamics as well as human behavior. Despite fully marked emergency exits located right off the main floor where the fire occurred, only something like 8 people actually left the building through those exits. Everybody else fled for the main entrance - where they came in. This caused a logjam of people, in which nobody could move and 100 people burned to death. Moral of the story: In a panic situation, people tend to flee the way they came - even if a closer, quicker exit is right there in front of them. When I go to a theater or stadium or other public venue like that, I try to always discuss with my wife and kids where we will go in case of fire or emergency. I'm intentional about pointing out exits. If you're not consciously thinking about the emergency exit as an option before you need it, you will probably not think about it during an emergency either. I always look for alternative exits at any public place I spend time at both for fire and in the event of crime (robbery/crazy fuck etc). I never walk into a place I don't know how to walk out of. |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 11:46:21 PM EDT
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I thought this was going to be a KIA thread
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Posted: 3/22/2021 11:52:17 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "I keep reporting them but it just keeps happening" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just call the fire marshal. Hell I'm a private contractor that does fire alarm and fire sprinkler inspections and have written customers up for those same violations. Can't block egress doors or prevent them from opening. "I keep reporting them but it just keeps happening" Do you think all violations on earth immediately cease after you report one? |
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Posted: 3/22/2021 11:59:38 PM EDT
[#40]
Agreed.
Folks hate the safety officer, till folks are dead. |
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Posted: 3/23/2021 12:00:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think all violations on earth immediately cease after you report one? No, I don't. In fact, the point of this thread which went right over your head is even after a violation is reported multiple times NOTHING IS FUCKING HAPPENING. People are still being put at risk. In the picture above, the locking mechanism had remained broken for months. When I talked to the food manager (it was in his area) he shrugged and said, "they don't want to spend any money to fix it". So, he wired it shut. This ain't over yet, trust me. |
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Posted: 3/23/2021 12:05:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the lessons learned back in 1883 amd 1903 have been forgotten by some people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Hall_disaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire More recent, Northern KY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_Hills_Supper_Club_fire |
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Posted: 3/23/2021 12:11:10 AM EDT
[#43]
Yeah that's really dumb...I used to make sure we had all the exits clear every day at the hotel
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Posted: 3/23/2021 12:24:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2021 12:29:44 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryI hauled bodies away from that one. Lots of them.
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Posted: 3/23/2021 12:44:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hauled bodies away from that one. Lots of them. Quote HistoryQuoted: I hauled bodies away from that one. Lots of them. Sorry to hear that,
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Posted: 3/23/2021 12:48:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I don't. In fact, the point of this thread which went right over your head is even after a violation is reported multiple times NOTHING IS FUCKING HAPPENING. People are still being put at risk. In the picture above, the locking mechanism had remained broken for months. When I talked to the food manager (it was in his area) he shrugged and said, "they don't want to spend any money to fix it". So, he wired it shut. This ain't over yet, trust me. @doc540 The fire marshal will be there and will shut them down until it is fixed if they don't fix it on the spot, you are barking up the wrong tree. |
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Posted: 3/23/2021 10:04:27 AM EDT
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Since you seem to know so much about this, tell me how many times I've made reports to our fire marshal.
Oh, look, his number's saved in my phone contacts.  |
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Posted: 3/23/2021 10:17:20 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Common sense is becoming rare. |
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Posted: 3/23/2021 10:29:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest issue with the Station Nightclub fire was the use of pyrotechnics coupled with the highly flammable foam they had on the walls and (IIRC) ceiling. The saddest part is that many of the people who died cooked to death while stuck, piled like cordwood, in the main entrance doors. The incident is a great study on fire dynamics as well as human behavior. Despite fully marked emergency exits located right off the main floor where the fire occurred, only something like 8 people actually left the building through those exits. Everybody else fled for the main entrance - where they came in. This caused a logjam of people, in which nobody could move and 100 people burned to death. Moral of the story: In a panic situation, people tend to flee the way they came - even if a closer, quicker exit is right there in front of them. When I go to a theater or stadium or other public venue like that, I try to always discuss with my wife and kids where we will go in case of fire or emergency. I'm intentional about pointing out exits. If you're not consciously thinking about the emergency exit as an option before you need it, you will probably not think about it during an emergency either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like the lessons learned back in 1883 amd 1903 have been forgotten by some people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Hall_disaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire Quoted: White snake concert venue The biggest issue with the Station Nightclub fire was the use of pyrotechnics coupled with the highly flammable foam they had on the walls and (IIRC) ceiling. The saddest part is that many of the people who died cooked to death while stuck, piled like cordwood, in the main entrance doors. The incident is a great study on fire dynamics as well as human behavior. Despite fully marked emergency exits located right off the main floor where the fire occurred, only something like 8 people actually left the building through those exits. Everybody else fled for the main entrance - where they came in. This caused a logjam of people, in which nobody could move and 100 people burned to death. Moral of the story: In a panic situation, people tend to flee the way they came - even if a closer, quicker exit is right there in front of them. When I go to a theater or stadium or other public venue like that, I try to always discuss with my wife and kids where we will go in case of fire or emergency. I'm intentional about pointing out exits. If you're not consciously thinking about the emergency exit as an option before you need it, you will probably not think about it during an emergency either. The videos of this are sooo awful |
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