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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:11:33 AM EST
A Delta flight mistakenly landed at an air force base in South Dakota -- instead of the intended airport about 10 miles way.
Delta Flight 2845 left Minneapolis for South Dakota on Thursday evening with 130 people aboard. The Airbus A320 was scheduled to touch down at Rapid City Regional Airport, but landed instead at Ellsworth Air Force Base. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/09/us/delta-flight-lands-at-air-force-base/index.html |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:12:08 AM EST
[#1]
Oopsies.
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:14:00 AM EST
[#2]
Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:15:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwThat plane has some fine thrust reversers. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:16:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That plane has some fine thrust reversers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwThat plane has some fine thrust reversers.  |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:19:28 AM EST
[#5]
Years ago, Jay Leno on The Tonight Show;
Delta has come out with a new slogan, pause, AAAAAAAAAAggg! I about fell out of my chair
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:19:33 AM EST
[#6]
I think a member here was onboard a previous mistaken landing at Ellsworth, though it may have been another forum.
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:34:02 AM EST
[#7]
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwand that an accident and not in relation to an emergency? |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:35:05 AM EST
[#8]
Meh. Close enough. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:37:35 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwI'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:38:02 AM EST
[#10]
Always, Always, Always, Always tune up the approach. Always.
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:39:51 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: and that an accident and not in relation to an emergency? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwand that an accident and not in relation to an emergency? The crew had just flown from the Middle East and messed up pretty big but at least stopped in time (the runway is in the C-17s abilities it just requires a waiver to use typically). The jet sat there for a day or two until a replacement crew could be flown in to take the jet home. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:40:11 AM EST
[#12]
Close enough....
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:40:22 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwI'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway?  |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:41:43 AM EST
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I'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwI'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? Like this.
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:42:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. And in that case had the CENTCOM four star sitting in the back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwThat plane has some fine thrust reversers. Well, I guess that is that. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:42:17 AM EST
[#16]
It's not the first time and won't be the last.
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:43:49 AM EST
[#17]
We are cleared for landing.
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:44:10 AM EST
[#18]
A Southwest flight did that in Corpus Christi a few years ago. If you are not paying attention it is easy to do.
What I didn't understand is they made the people wait a couple of hours until they bussed them back to the righf airport. It's not like the plane was damaged.  |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:48:32 AM EST
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:50:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwI'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? Because that is exactly what it was designed to do. YouTube C17 combat landing/takeoffs. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:51:30 AM EST
[#21]
Happened a bunch at Spokane - Fairchild back in the '80's. Not sure what they did to fix it (or if it was truly fixed).
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:59:58 AM EST
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A Southwest flight did that in Corpus Christi a few years ago. If you are not paying attention it is easy to do. What I didn't understand is they made the people wait a couple of hours until they bussed them back to the righf airport. It's not like the plane was damaged.
I'd guess they'd be a bit concerned about the pilots. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:06:07 AM EST
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This is correct. Both MacDill AFB and Peter O. Knight Airport are on peninsulas and have runways that are the same direction. The crew had just flown from the Middle East and messed up pretty big but at least stopped in time (the runway is in the C-17s abilities it just requires a waiver to use typically). The jet sat there for a day or two until a replacement crew could be flown in to take the jet home. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwand that an accident and not in relation to an emergency? The crew had just flown from the Middle East and messed up pretty big but at least stopped in time (the runway is in the C-17s abilities it just requires a waiver to use typically). The jet sat there for a day or two until a replacement crew could be flown in to take the jet home. Once on short final, wouldn't the crew have visually identified pretty quick they were lined up at Knight and not MacDill? Quite a difference between 3400 and 11000, not to mention the private airport vs. air base itself. Why couldn't they have requested a go-around, or worst case done a touch-n-go, unless due to outbound traffic in the pattern? Bet that was a tough one for the crew to explain. Err, ahh, Sir, we just thought you'd like one of the FBO's killer turkey sandwiches ... 
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:13:02 AM EST
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Happens a lot, relatively, at Ellsworth.
Runways are 5 miles apart, oriented in the same direction, and both are controlled by Ellsworth AFB Approach control. Planes from the East see the first LONG runway and assume that's what they are heading for and line up for it. The line up/waypoints at distance are the same. Approach control points out that there are two runways visible to ensure they are aiming for the right one, and they still get it wrong. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:14:51 AM EST
[#25]
White Green
White White Green There is a difference |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:28:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwI'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? An empty cargo plane (or airliner for that matter) is considerably more overpowered than most people realize, mainly because they need to be able to fly (climb) single engine (in the case of a twin) at max gross weight. I've taken off in an empty 777 doing a derated take off (not using full power, by a huge margin) in 2000'. Check out this 787-9 takeoff:
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:35:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An empty cargo plane (or airliner for that matter) is considerably more overpowered than most people realize, mainly because they need to be able to fly (climb) single engine (in the case of a twin) at max gross weight. I've taken off in an empty 777 doing a derated take off (not using full power, by a huge margin) in 2000'. Check out this 787-9 takeoff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwxGDdsI_bUQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwI'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? An empty cargo plane (or airliner for that matter) is considerably more overpowered than most people realize, mainly because they need to be able to fly (climb) single engine (in the case of a twin) at max gross weight. I've taken off in an empty 777 doing a derated take off (not using full power, by a huge margin) in 2000'. Check out this 787-9 takeoff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwxGDdsI_bU |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:42:06 AM EST
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Anyone that's flown an approach into KRAP would understand how this could happen. I think the runways share similar headings and they're only separated by a couple miles. Add darkness or weather to the equation and there ya go.
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:44:03 AM EST
[#29]
Delta guys are pro's.
Everyone lived, no one got hurt, the airplane is intact. Everyone makes mistakes. Even Delta 
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:47:24 AM EST
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Happens a lot, relatively, at Ellsworth. Runways are 5 miles apart, oriented in the same direction, and both are controlled by Ellsworth AFB Approach control. Planes from the East see the first LONG runway and assume that's what they are heading for and line up for it. The line up/waypoints at distance are the same. Approach control points out that there are two runways visible to ensure they are aiming for the right one, and they still get it wrong. I've done approach work at Ellsworth a couple times. From the air, those airports are really close, and being oriented roughly the same direction does not make it better. I could definitely see how this would happen. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:48:27 AM EST
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:53:16 AM EST
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Once on short final, wouldn't the crew have visually identified pretty quick they were lined up at Knight and not MacDill? Quite a difference between 3400 and 11000, not to mention the private airport vs. air base itself. Why couldn't they have requested a go-around, or worst case done a touch-n-go, unless due to outbound traffic in the pattern? Bet that was a tough one for the crew to explain. Err, ahh, Sir, we just thought you'd like one of the FBO's killer turkey sandwiches ...
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwand that an accident and not in relation to an emergency? The crew had just flown from the Middle East and messed up pretty big but at least stopped in time (the runway is in the C-17s abilities it just requires a waiver to use typically). The jet sat there for a day or two until a replacement crew could be flown in to take the jet home. Once on short final, wouldn't the crew have visually identified pretty quick they were lined up at Knight and not MacDill? Quite a difference between 3400 and 11000, not to mention the private airport vs. air base itself. Why couldn't they have requested a go-around, or worst case done a touch-n-go, unless due to outbound traffic in the pattern? Bet that was a tough one for the crew to explain. Err, ahh, Sir, we just thought you'd like one of the FBO's killer turkey sandwiches ...
In that case, I think they'd flown to Afghanistan, from Europe, and then home, so Fatigue was a factor. The Air Force also change the approach control procedures after that incident; as stated below, they now point out to the pilots that there should be 2 runways visible. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 11:57:28 AM EST
[#33]
[GPS] Recalculating. [/GPS] |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 12:42:15 PM EST
[#34]
If they provided a shuttle I would just drive there
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Posted: 7/9/2016 12:42:54 PM EST
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Delta did the same thing at MacDill AFB (MCF) when trying to land at St Petersburg International (PIE) back around 1980. The crew popped out of the clouds over Tampa Bay, saw a runway, lined up on it and landed at the AF Base. Both MCF and PIE are located on peninsulas extending out into the bay, but the main runway at PIE is 40 degrees off from MCF.
About the same timeframe there was a Southern Airlines DC-9 that ended up doing a low approach at Moody AFB on its way to the Valdosta, GA Regional Airport. The runways are on the same heading, only 10 miles apart with very little offset between the airfields. Again the crew popped out from the clouds, spotted the runway, lined up on it and only realize their mistake when they saw all the F-4s lined up on the ramp. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 12:54:52 PM EST
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Because that's what the C-17 was designed to do.
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwI'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway?
My cousin was the pilot that flew if off Peter O Knight. She just happened to be at MacDill and was the only qualified IP there. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 1:01:08 PM EST
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Had it happen here a while back when a converted 747 used to haul 787 fuselage parts called the Dreamlifter landed at a small airport instead of at McConnell. They got a replacement crew and got off alright, but found cracks in the runway afterwards.
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Posted: 7/9/2016 1:05:43 PM EST
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Delta did the same thing at MacDill AFB (MCF) when trying to land at St Petersburg International (PIE) back around 1980. The crew popped out of the clouds over Tampa Bay, saw a runway, lined up on it and landed at the AF Base. Both MCF and PIE are located on peninsulas extending out into the bay, but the main runway at PIE is 40 degrees off from MCF. About the same timeframe there was a Southern Airlines DC-9 that ended up doing a low approach at Moody AFB on its way to the Valdosta, GA Regional Airport. The runways are on the same heading, only 10 miles apart with very little offset between the airfields. Again the crew popped out from the clouds, spotted the runway, lined up on it and only realize their mistake when they saw all the F-4s lined up on the ramp. How about a DC-8-63 landing at Da Nang? Not the AFB, but the helicopter base. There's a video of it on YouTube Seaboard I think was the airline. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 1:06:24 PM EST
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I landed at the wrong airport on my first solo x-country (missed a magnetic variation line on my chart).
Lufthansa was not pleased. 
My talking to was nothing compared to the reaming my instructor got. 
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Posted: 7/9/2016 1:13:32 PM EST
[#40]
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I think a member here was onboard a previous mistaken landing at Ellsworth, though it may have been another forum. There was one some years ago. The runways are in similar alignment, but the ASOS broadcast from Rapid constantly reminds pilots about the AF base to the north. The base handles approach and departure control as well. Rapid City 
Ellsworth AFB 
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Posted: 7/9/2016 1:13:53 PM EST
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I had a US Air flight that was delayed out of Charlotte because they forgot to book a pilot for it
. We waited an hour for a pilot landing on a plane across the terminal hall to come over and fly ours . I watched him get off the plane and head down our ramp and get in the chair
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Posted: 7/9/2016 1:31:54 PM EST
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwI'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? An empty cargo plane (or airliner for that matter) is considerably more overpowered than most people realize, mainly because they need to be able to fly (climb) single engine (in the case of a twin) at max gross weight. I've taken off in an empty 777 doing a derated take off (not using full power, by a huge margin) in 2000'. Check out this 787-9 takeoff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwxGDdsI_bU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l52WDjdRqgo
That was awesome! |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 2:11:41 PM EST
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That was awesome! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwI'm not a pilot, but how did that beast take off on such a short runway? An empty cargo plane (or airliner for that matter) is considerably more overpowered than most people realize, mainly because they need to be able to fly (climb) single engine (in the case of a twin) at max gross weight. I've taken off in an empty 777 doing a derated take off (not using full power, by a huge margin) in 2000'. Check out this 787-9 takeoff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwxGDdsI_bU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l52WDjdRqgo
That was awesome! Just outstanding. That C-130 pilot (Jeff Wayne?) is a stud. One of the best multi-engine prop demonstrations I've seen since Bob Hoover in his Shrike Aero Commander many years ago... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2rSXkvymcY
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Posted: 7/9/2016 2:15:54 PM EST
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwNot bad for that's pilots first time huh?
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Posted: 7/9/2016 2:16:01 PM EST
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Always, Always, Always, Always tune up the approach. Always. Almost landed at RSW before it was open. Going to FMY at night and saw the rotating beacon at RSW. And there was a VOR on the field at FMY.
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Posted: 7/9/2016 2:16:35 PM EST
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That plane has some fine thrust reversers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not the first time, won't be the last. Hell, the Air Force has done the same thing in Tampa, except that was landing at a 3400 foot runway instead of an 11000 foot one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHwThat plane has some fine thrust reversers. That bitch looks like it could take off in reverse using them. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 2:18:38 PM EST
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When an unknown jet lands at an Air Force base, what's the Air Force security protocol? I would expect a bit more than sending out a stairway.
IIRC, the Soviets started the invasion of Afghanistan by sending commandos in commercial jets to take over the Afghani airports. The Afghanis didn't know what was going on hours later, when the Soviets were directing military flights into their airports. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 2:20:39 PM EST
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When an unknown jet lands at an Air Force base, what's the Air Force security protocol? I would expect a bit more than sending out a stairway. IIRC, the Soviets started the invasion of Afghanistan by sending commandos in commercial jets to take over the Afghani airports. The Afghanis didn't know what was going on hours later, when the Soviets were directing military flights into their airports. Maybe ask Tower for directions to the Active runway and Leave? |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 2:32:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe ask Tower for directions to the Active runway and Leave? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When an unknown jet lands at an Air Force base, what's the Air Force security protocol? I would expect a bit more than sending out a stairway. IIRC, the Soviets started the invasion of Afghanistan by sending commandos in commercial jets to take over the Afghani airports. The Afghanis didn't know what was going on hours later, when the Soviets were directing military flights into their airports. Maybe ask Tower for directions to the Active runway and Leave? I doubt that would stop some bad guys in a jet.  |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 2:37:45 PM EST
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We did the same thing years ago, touching down at El Paso Int'l instead of Biggs AAF.
Ooops..."Go around". El Paso quickly called Biggs and demanded a 500 dollar landing fee.
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