The idea that reduced population will lead to _more_ resources per person is pants on head retarded.  Did you not notice that despite the exponential growth of world population the average wealth per person also increased?

Crowding has it's downsides.  Reduction of world population from 8bil to 4bil is going to create an economic catastrophe.

Agree with both your points.

China.

I took a tour in China and tour guide said she could answer any questions about China. She down played/minimized the one child policy and apparently plenty of people have additional kids somehow. Must be the party members. She commented that the lack of dogs in a village we toured was because the previous winter was cold. Did the dogs die of exposure to the cold? No they were killed and eaten for their meat as it's believed dog meat keeps you warm.

We're not over populated.

People who work and pay their own way aren't much of a problem.

It's providing a first-world existence to a growing level of welfare recipients.

The chart to the left of 2008 is pretty flat. Thanks Obama for doubling the welfare rolls.

We live in a society with many more octomoms that we are forced to.support.  Claiming depopulation is good when the efforts are directed at us is bit naive. Don't have kids fine, bow out of the abortion debate if you want, but encouraging war and forcing people into experimental jabs and promoting violent crimes like they are doing don't bode for you.

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HA-HA, OP's post doesn't tell the rest of the story. Hover over countries in the link

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Top 10 Countries with the Highest Birth Rate (per 1000 people, CIA World Factbook 2021 estimate)
Niger - 47.28
Angola - 42.22
Mali - 41.60 (tie)
Uganda - 41.60 (tie)
Benin - 41.55
Chad - 41.05
Congo (Dem Rep of) - 40.53
South Sudan - 38.26
Somalia - 38.25
Mozambique - 38.03

Top 10 Countries with the Lowest Birth Rate (per 1000 people, CIA World Factbook 2021 estimate)
Monaco - 6.63
South Korea - 6.89
Andorra - 6.91
Japan - 7.00
Taiwan (limited recognition) - 7.43
Greece - 7.72
Puerto Rico - 7.90
Portugal - 8.02
Spain - 8.05
Bulgaria - 8.15

Everyone that thinks there are too many people on this planet, may leave at anytime.

And I was willing to risk living on for the chance to drive a flying car. Lies, all lies!

Lock it up boys, thread is complete. This is also why "deflation" scares the hell out of them. Who in their right mind likes LOWER prices? Not ponzi skimmers, that's for sure.

Agreed. The US is not the problem, we have a massive country with only 350million people. We have plenty of open space, farm land, national parks, clean water, etc...

Where they need to focus their efforts is India, China, and Africa.

China at most will start to dip around 2035ish in population not as fast as South Korea or Japan or Taiwan’s population but it will decline. For India I think only their minority Muslim population is growing exponentially and coincidentally joining isis in Afghanistan. Sub Saharan Africa weathers Ebola, famine and wars wearing flip flops and tuxedo hats with rusty AKs somehow and keeps growing. Afghanistan is the only Muslim country matching Africa in population growth.

You be the change you want to see in the world.

Well, the same people murdering us are going to have 100% top-down control of the remaining populace and resources, so there’s not really gonna be a “more for everyone else” deal going on.

nailed it.

Because governments can’t keep up the Ponzi schemes of social security, pensions and un/underfunded obligations without an ever increasing tax base.

Slavery is bad but forced depopulation is good make up your fucken minds

Whoever thinks the planet can't handle more people is a fuckin retard. The only real limitations are physical space and arable land. There are plenty of both to sustain a much larger population.


I'd prefer as many people as the planet can possibly sustain (which is MUCH more than we have now), IF those people are going to produce more than they consume.

Imagine if we had 6 billion more people on Earth, but none of them were deadbeats on foodstamps. Imagine they were all doctors/engineers/skilled tradesmen.

The problem we have is that the vast majority of people consume more than they produce (enabled by the governments that pay them to sit around with their fingers in their asses), most people are on the "liabilities" side of the ledger.

No, he wasn't.  The statement is ludicrous and ignorant.  Mammals have no "instinctive equilibrium."  Deer bereft of predators overpopulate till they eat out all the food and starve or die of disease.  Predators eat out all the food and starve or die of disease or are killed by competitor predators.  The populations go bust and boom in cycles of extraordinary suffering.  There's no "instinctive" about it.

This retarded logic is why we have negative population growth in western and pan Asian ethnicities. It’s basic math to know that those numbers don’t even sustain a population. It takes at least 4 children per fertile couple to just maintain population numbers.

The population isn't the problem. The population of mouthbreathing, nonproductive fucking retards is...

Oh, and I have 5 kids, and I'm creampieing my wife on the regular to make number 6.

It is a bigger problem than first world v. third world. We are turning the movie “Idiocracy” into a documentary. We have a too tiered education system where many public school systems exist to provide the best possible jobs for their employees. Education has been turned into a programming the next generation I to a pure working class. Everyone is equal but some are more equal. If you are part of the elite class, your children will get a good education. They will learn how to rule and get the most from the working class.

Could be because they are all cousin fuckers, which doesn't exactly lead to long term viability.

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Depopulation is neither bad nor good in and of itself.  The problem is, our current world economic systems is based on increasing population.  When the population collapses, so will this economic system.  It's started already.

The Afghan & Muslims of India will be the final vestige of that. I won’t be surprised if the US suffers an attack from isis-K in Afghanistan sometime later this decade.

The first problem as illustrated several times so far in this thread is the whacko idiots that think depopulation efforts are based on killing people.

Even if someone wanted that it would only result in a birth rate increase and not even reduce population in the long run.

100% of people will die eventually.

Everybody who wants depopulation wants to reduce birth rate and wait for natural deaths to get the actual reduction.

When you realize you're on the wrong end of depopulation:
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Oh the irony in this post.  Did you attend 2nd tier schools? Too Two To  

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Because it's a defeatist attitude for our species. Instead we should be colonizing the Moon, space stations, Mars, asteroids, moons of Jupiter, etc.

The thing is, without fail, everywhere, the minute a society urbanizes and becomes less agrarian, they stop having as many kids.  That's just how it works.  It's human nature.

I agree, depopulation is good, but not in the areas that people talk about reducing it in.

The 3rd world has experienced an enormous population boom made possible by technology that was not invented by them nor for them. Vaccinations against disease and increased crop yields have lifted the population ceiling in places that weren't ready for it, and just as Europe and the rest of the developed world struggled to recover from 2 disastrous wars.  This has led to ever greater globalization, the cheapened value of labor, increased 3rd world immigration, and opportunistic business practices which actively disadvantage the typical western citizen.

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We can start with violent criminals, especially career criminals, clear out the prisons, round up the tens of millions of illegals, and anyone convicted of violent felonies. Murder, rape, robbery, etc.  That should cut the USA population biggly.  Add commies, and wanna be commies and socialists too.

This. Although I would like way fewer peeps on this planet.

Yes, but they have a need to be in control and "guide" humanity with their benevolence.

And this is the dividing line.

If you believe this, you'll be a wanna-be thanos.

There's no good or rational reason to believe these.

Natsofast.

The venn diagram of people who perceive they benefit from always growing populations who also finance and push all the factors that slow or reverse population would be quite interesting to see.

Via murder, no bueno

Uh ... no, I don't believe that.

We know good and well that negative eugenics targeted at undesirables is and has been a real thing.

Heck, people on this thread are old enough to have relatives who were sterilized by american states without their knowledge or consent.

Malthusians are stupid and insane.

Nobody that thinks depopulation is a good thing thinks them or their families will be the ones depopulated. It's always the "undesirables".

All i know is I don't want to live in a world where everywhere inhabitable has the population density of India. Whenever I see a new subdivision being built, it makes my blood boil. Id love to thermite the earth movers, but that won't stop anything (for long) and I'd go to prison. Sometimes I think it's a shame that COVID didn't...........

Then again, Im a misanthrope.

Why is it the people who also advocate for less people never start by removing themselves? They also seem to envision other people dying.

Did you just read this, OP?

Yeah, without modern medicine I'd have died twice and without antibiotics I'd be dead another four or five times.

Jesus Christ, guy, you need help.

Unless you own that subdivision, it's not any of your business what happens to it, now is it?

The Green Revolution allowed populations to artificially increase by maximizing food production. Basic medical care reduced infant mortality and advances in medicine reduced deaths from common diseases. This expanded the population at both ends of the age spectrum. But the unbelievably rapid industrialization of the world after WW2 also reduced the number of children being born, simply due to the economics of living in a city versus living on a farm.
Mix evolving social issues in and stir for 50 years...now nearly every industrialized country is dealing with an aging population and a below replacement birth rate.
World population is going to peak sometime this century and then drop rapidly to whatever equilibrium the exact situation allows.
A greatly shrunken population means less consumption, which will reduce economies of scale and ROI on capital investments. This will reduce the ability of many countries to trade internationally, further reducing consumption and de-globalizing trade.

This occurs in the best case, absent other negative events like lethal pandemics, nuclear releases, biological warfare or crash declines due to famines as the Green Revolution is cast aside in the name of Climate Change.
Since there are always negative events, and desperate countries like Russia, China, Iran and all of Africa do predictably foolish things...it's gonna get sporty.

Best case: we end the century as a de-globalized world of with regional hegemons devolving back to Imperial trade practices, that cause constant resource wars. The population will look like 1960 prior to the Green Revolution.

Predictably bad case: Several negative outcomes produce a downward spiral of horrific famines, the return of widespread plagues, genocidal resource wars that destroy trade across vast regions of the globe and of course, nuclear terrorism from apocalyptic regimes.

Foreseeable worst case: Multiple countries abandon rational actor status and nuke major economic, industrial and population centers across the world. Pakistan/India. Iran/Israel and US, Russia/Europe. China/Japan, Australia and US. US/Russia, Iran and China. China will do(another) biological warfare release. Many places will release persistent chemical weapons. Catastrophic famine ensues.
Then, the Four Horsemen ride unchecked and armed with a century's worth of stockpiled weapons.