Do you expect Europe to have a change of heart in the next decade or two?

Also true.gif I think Gen X is even smaller than Gen Z which is very small and the most recent Gen A is absolutely tiny. Pretty soon illegals will outnumber US born….slight exaggeration

It doesn't work that way, and hasn't for decades or centuries

Idiocracy is coming, and the only realistic alternative is extinction

The fact that depopulation is always for someone else, and not for the people advocating for it, is all you need to know to understand why it's "bad". Plotting the demise of other human beings, by the millions or even billions, is indefensible. If the advocates love the idea of depopulation so much they need to lead by example and off themselves. Maybe then they could convince some to follow the example of their strong conviction (not me). At least that would be a non-coercive and therefore legitimate approach to it. Lead by example. Everything else is just thinly veiled excuse to "have more" by eliminating others via force, coercion or manipulation. There's a word for that: genocide.

Overpopulation scares began in 1798 with Thomas Malthus. He was wrong about inevitable catastrophe then, and continued to be. Erlich’s book “Population Bomb” (1968) tied the same myth into environmentalism, and it’s still wrong. If anything, under population is a problem. Even China moved from a 1 child policy to 3 over the past decade or so.

So to those of you who say that we should increase the population based on how large the earth is and how much more room there is, what about the rest of nature? Are you implying we should continue to destroy the rest of nature so we can inhabit the area? Push out and kill all the wildlife just to make more room for us? We are not the only living creatures on this planet. But I guess the name of the game is to just consume consume consume.

I don’t know the answers but i do believe the planet is over populated. I also think think that our wastefulness and consumption of resources is just as big of an issue. Pollution is another big one for me, and I’m not talking carbon emissions from cars. Physical pollution, plastics being a big one. So much of that could be cut down on but nobody cares. Everyone is too worried about themselves and what the most convenient option is.

With all the crazy shit the elite are up to these days you would think us non elites would pull our heads out of our asses and stop fighting each other and fight them. They’re people who bleed just like everybody else.

Know your enemy

The thing is, yeah, having this many people is bad for the environment, particularly in developing nations and those like China who don't give a shit how much garbage they pump into the oceans and rivers.  But having the population stop growing is going to destroy our current economic model, which means that hundreds of millions of people are going to die in those developing countries of starvation and disease.  And in developed nations, it will mean that people who would otherwise have had a chance at success, at thriving, will be stuck in perpetual poverty.

Thanos' mistake was that he's a drooling moron.

Snap, double resources and remove the other problems.

Nope, can't do that

why?

Wouldn't fit the forced story!

Malthusianism is mentally midgeted and hateful.

They came before him.

IIRC all the way back to the ancient world.

More H1-B Visa for India

Meanwhile, nobody gives a rip about the fact that we can't centrally plan this stuff any more than the soviets could centrally plan something far less complex.

Less than nobody cares that it's morally wrong to start doing depopulation politics.

I completely agree. I’d say this country would be much better off with approximately 50% less people.

Never was keen on kids and sure as hell glad I didn't have any as I will be finalizing my divorce next week.

Zero plans on having any in the future.

Sorry

I haven't seen anyone mention the 800lb gorilla in the room. OIL. While I don't pretend to have answers to the questions asked here as far as right or wrong but all you have to do is look at the human growth curve over time to realize what's going on. With Colonel Drake’s heralded discovery of oil in Pennsylvania in 1859 set the stage for the population boom we've seen ever since. IE, since the advent of oil human population has gone exponential and is almost solely as result of OIL and the subsequent technologies that were made possible and economical because of oil.

Depopulation is inevitable. It's axiomatic that if the cause of the population boom goes away so must the population but I'm not saying oil will go away tomorrow but one thing we have to admit is that it's a finite resource and the people at the top would love to control what's left for their own purposes/future. In January 2001, right after taking office Bush and Cheney started the NEPDG (National energy policy development group). This group basically set out to find out how much oil is out there, where it is, and who owns it. After 9/11, we can all pretty much agree the decline of everything accelerated to a noticeable level and has only picked up steam since then. The Post 9/11 era has been filled with promotion of things that essentially slow population growth if not out right reverse it and I needn't go through them here but we all know what they are and its pretty clear. IE, the depopulation has started and is only picking up steam.

The question we should be asking is if oil has run out, is about to run out, or will last 500 years. Survival tends to temper expectations of standard of living, political ideology, and many other things. If we knew the real reasoning behind depopulation things may become clearer and we'd have better understanding with which to fight the coming technocratic feudalism.

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You and I have different definitions of 'instinct.'

Let me put it this way:  Human beings are the only species on this planet with free will.
As such, we alone have the power to destroy, the power to create, and the power to act as both users and shepherds.

3 posts in 9 years. Drops this nugget in one of them.

Yup. ITT, "depopulation is good as long as it's those dirty brown people who are being depopulated, and not me".

"Instinct" would be if the animals chose not to reproduce because there wasn't enough room for it.  
And whether we really have free will is open to debate.

If you're a government (read: not you and I), depopulation is very, very bad because it drops a nuke on your economy (unless you are very lucky, and able to transition to an economic model that doesn't need as many workers) and government services (a rapidly-shrinking population of working-age adults means there's not enough of a taxbase to pay for the benefits the already-retired people were promised*).

The USA might slide though to the other side, due to automation....but places like China, which doesn't have enough runway to change away from a "cheap labor/many hands" model, are going down in flames.

Hell, we're about to see a real decline in the availability of Credit in the US (unless we get a lot of Capital flight to us, due to crunching economies in Europe and Asia), as the Boomers are finally being forced into retirement and are cashing out their investments to fund their lives.


*-and, TBF, it's not a case of "tighten your belt, Grandpa!", but more that people will starve/die when things like SS, VA retirement, and Medicare have to be cut.

We need to get it down to the 87,000,000 range.

We need to depopulate the WEF and Bill Gates to remove their carbon footprints to save the planet.

I doubt anyone will starve here.  Or Europe.  Other places, yes.