User Panel
Quoted:
Amazing analysis by an unenlightened whiner. As a 'Boomer', I can tell you that all we did was exist and strive in the world as it was - nobody had time to think about future generations or anything else - we were trying to make a living and raise families. We paid into Social Security and Medicare all our lives - we didn't invent it. Upon retiring, we found that Medicare is not free and they tax our SS. That's okay, its still a good deal. Now maybe 'Boomer' politicians screwed up but the rank and file regular people do not make fiscal decisions that affect future generations. You have a world - make it work for you. It will be different than it was for us but that is always the way, isn't it? With all this whining and carping it sounds like you will vote for any communist who pops up and promises a 'living wage', free college, universal Medicare and whatever else they can think of. I think you should move to Venezuela and experience a 'Worker's Paradise' for yourself before griping about how bad it is here. Bottom line, all you get is the same thing we got - the opportunity to succeed - or fail. There ain't no warranty on life. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
short answer: yes... Their parents, the Greatest Generation, fought WWII. They left for France and the Pacific at 17 and 18, fought overseas for years, came home, used the GI Bill to get an education or a trade, then worked their asses off to pay off the tiny house they built. The lived depression-era living, saving a little of each paycheck and accumulating a small nest egg. Their children, the Boomers, lived in an age of plenty. They grew up, often with new schools. They went to college in a time when tuition was cheap and you actually could pay your way with a part time and/or summer job. The started work in an era when the corporate pension existed: Work 20, 25 years, retire at 55 with 60% pension. Had inexpensive health insurance. They voted themselves great government handouts and ran up a zillion in national debt. They started the "But I Want it Now" lifestyle. They spend 110% of what they earned, have nothing set aside for retirement, and are relying on someone else to care for them. They had it all: Cheap college, cheap housing, great benefits. They stand to benefit from the greatest transfer of wealth in history, as their parent die and leave them the nest egg. The children of Boomers?: Lets see. they are inheriting an essential broke country. Education is now unaffordable. Those that go to college will have massive debt. When they start work, their real wages - accounting for inflation- are considerably lower than the Boomers. They will not have a pension, instead get a 401K. Those few that do have pensions are in "tier 5" or some altered plan that requires higher contributions, longer work span, for far less benefits. When they marry and have kids, family insurance plans are far more expensive. Oh, and since the Boomers still demand more than their fair share of the pie, this generation will pay higher taxes, which are funneled directly to the Boomers. Boomers lived in a gravy age, consuming the wealth of their parents, and they are now - as a generation - going to impoverish their children and grandchildren.... You have a world - make it work for you. It will be different than it was for us but that is always the way, isn't it? With all this whining and carping it sounds like you will vote for any communist who pops up and promises a 'living wage', free college, universal Medicare and whatever else they can think of. I think you should move to Venezuela and experience a 'Worker's Paradise' for yourself before griping about how bad it is here. Bottom line, all you get is the same thing we got - the opportunity to succeed - or fail. There ain't no warranty on life. |
|
|
Quoted:
Millennials voted overwhelmingly for Obama. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
|
Quoted: White lies, damn lies, and statistics. What these numbers don't show is that less than 1/3'd of younger generations vote. Often their voting percentage is in the teens. Older generations vote in MUCH greater percentages of their cohort. So while the percentages of millennial voter seems large the actual numbers of voters was small. They really don't give a shit-yet. View Quote So milennials bitch and moan, don't actually vote, but the few that do -vote to make shit worse. Take the beam out of your own eye and all that jazz... |
|
Quoted:
I agree but at this point I have been paying in for 24 years, refund it and then we can talk. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
LOL from the exact page you linked - "2052, extended 20 years from last year's estimate of 2032, with 91 percent of benefits still payable." So just by going by your article in 2052 they will be able to pay out 91% and that is if no changes are even made. BTW in 2090 it will still be able to pay out 79% of each dollar and that is if no changes are made. You going to be alive in 2090? |
|
Quoted: The source material shows the percentage for each age group. So milennials bitch and moan, don't actually vote, but the few that do -vote to make shit worse. Take the beam out of your own eye and all that jazz... View Quote Old political truth: People vote for their pocket book. |
|
Quoted:
Regardless of what they say, I think the majority of millenniais just want affordable homes, cars and a safe country not full of illegals and corruption, mass inflation and debt. We wouldn't have all this current chaos and anger. I don't think boomers realize how much different shit is now. So boomers had nothing to do with any of the above? View Quote So... no. |
|
Quoted:
See my quotes on the subject in this thread, one is even from the SS dept themselves. Even if NO changes are made then they still can pay 75% in 2090. That's a long time off and changes are inevitable long before then. Also, just back in the 80's SS was in worse shape than now but folks seem to forget that. View Quote That infamous boomer George W. Bush wanted to fix it by allowing younger people to partially opt-out but that was sunk by who, exactly? |
|
|
Quoted: It wasn't until I started actually making a little money that I figured out which way to start voting. Old political truth: People vote for their pocket book. View Quote I started voting at 18. By then I had already learned that democrats wanted to ban guns, take my $2.34/hr money, and give the moon and the stars to the lazy and shiftless in what we now call social justice. There's no excuse for not voting. |
|
Quoted:
Meh, there are proportionally just as many dirtbags/net takers from the boomer generation as there are in gen X, and millenials. I'm in the older range of millenials, and there are plenty of whiny entitled folks in my generation to go around. But hey- since an ignorant communist bartender was elected to the house from NY, we're all fucked anyway. View Quote Were the proportions of dirtbags the same, we'd have about 29 million people on Food Stamps today, at a cost of about $20 billion. Other programs would show these numbers even more starkly--Section 8, for example, which has grown by over 1,000 percent since the 1970s. |
|
I don't think the younger generation understands how easy they have it financially.
Few even remember that interest rates were 2-3 times higher then they are now or more. Buying a house with decent credit still meant you would be paying double digit interest rates. For you, yeah, college tuition is a killer but a bit of common sense in choosing your field and it's financial return goes a long way in making up for it. Choose a stupid field with little financial reward and a look in the mirror shows who the fool is. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Millennials voted overwhelmingly for Obama. View Quote View Quote Millennial have lived their entire lives with the twin fangs of white guilt and political correctness embedded firmly in their necks. A more self-loathing generation has probably never existed. |
|
Quoted:
^^ Perceptive of you, Steve! ^^ I am not going to be complimentary toward my Father's generation. I'm telling a hard truth you all the Millennials need to understand. And yes, the majority of the Greatest Gen & the Silent Gen that followed would have been very angry if you claimed their entitlement programs were an "unfair government program." These guys, who grew up in the Depression, then went off to war because they had to. They came back and built the Interstate Highway System, the St Lawrence Seaway, the suburbs, licked polio, and made other medical advances. They were, in fact, the men that built the modern America you live in. They stopped Hitler and Tojo, and later, they stopped Stalin and Khrushchev. They knew what Socialism was, and they did not, for an instant, consider FDR's Social Security a socialist program. That is your definition, not the definition of the men who were tempered by war and the hard and bitter peace afterward. The corporate men of the 50's dressed alike, marched in step, seldom questioned authority, did as they were told, worked always, and were very materialistic. We grew up with these guys as Fathers. They told us they way things were and that settled it. NO BODY was going to take their entitlement programs away. They were damn sure they earned it. Don't conjure any farcical illusions that as a wet-behind-the-ears Boomer congressman you could have fought one fucking penny out of their hands. Wasn't going to happen. So don't blame the Boomers because you don't have any god-damned idea what the Congress was like then, dominated as it was by hard-line FDR luvin' workin' man, union-loving Democrats. The table-pounding hard ass types, not the candy-ass Liberals of the modern Democrat ee. You want to dump social security now? Go right ahead and try. IDGAF, because I don't think it will be there for my late boomer ass anyway, so I invite you to try. You candy ass is going to come up hard against reality. View Quote |
|
|
Quoted:
Yeah they fucked us. That's why I enjoy seeing them working past retirement age for insurance. I hope everything hurts all the time, and you'll be getting the cheap funeral. View Quote Stop blaming others for your shortcomings. |
|
Quoted: Did I use the time traveling machine to stick a pin through his pappy's rubber? https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-1992 ---------------Clinton-- Bush -- Perot 18-24--46--33--21 -- born from 68 to 74 -- Gen X 25-29--41--36--23 -- born from 63 to 67 -- Boomer/Gen X 30-49--41--38--21 -- born from 43 to 62 -- mostly Boomer 50-64--43--39--18 -- born from 28 to 42 -- Silent Gen 65 & over--50--39--11 -- born prior to 1928 -- Greatest gen and prior. Boomers cast the LEAST votes for Clinton, and someone above mentioned not voting for Perot, and surprise! they did. You're also seeing the start of weaponized youth vote (Rock The Vote) Four years later... ---------------Clinton-- Dole -- Perot 18-24--55--35--11 -- born from 72 to 78 -- all Gen X 25-29--54--36--10 -- born from 67 to 71 -- all Gen X 30-49--50--41---9 -- born from 47 to 66 -- mostly Boomer 50-64--47--45---8 -- born from 32 to 46 -- mostly Silent 65 & over--50--44---6 -- born prior to 1932 -- Silent/Greatest gen and prior. Percentage wise, Gen Xers loved them some Clinton. Roper goes back to 1976 View Quote And to wrap this up...…..Barrack is a BOOMER. Their ideology has gone a long ways towards ruining the country I love. They were the leaders...…..and they are BOOMERS. |
|
|
Quoted:
The same reality that @tango1978 will run into with the changes he has suggested will happen.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
^^ Perceptive of you, Steve! ^^ I am not going to be complimentary toward my Father's generation. I'm telling a hard truth you all the Millennials need to understand. And yes, the majority of the Greatest Gen & the Silent Gen that followed would have been very angry if you claimed their entitlement programs were an "unfair government program." These guys, who grew up in the Depression, then went off to war because they had to. They came back and built the Interstate Highway System, the St Lawrence Seaway, the suburbs, licked polio, and made other medical advances. They were, in fact, the men that built the modern America you live in. They stopped Hitler and Tojo, and later, they stopped Stalin and Khrushchev. They knew what Socialism was, and they did not, for an instant, consider FDR's Social Security a socialist program. That is your definition, not the definition of the men who were tempered by war and the hard and bitter peace afterward. The corporate men of the 50's dressed alike, marched in step, seldom questioned authority, did as they were told, worked always, and were very materialistic. We grew up with these guys as Fathers. They told us they way things were and that settled it. NO BODY was going to take their entitlement programs away. They were damn sure they earned it. Don't conjure any farcical illusions that as a wet-behind-the-ears Boomer congressman you could have fought one fucking penny out of their hands. Wasn't going to happen. So don't blame the Boomers because you don't have any god-damned idea what the Congress was like then, dominated as it was by hard-line FDR luvin' workin' man, union-loving Democrats. The table-pounding hard ass types, not the candy-ass Liberals of the modern Democrat ee. You want to dump social security now? Go right ahead and try. IDGAF, because I don't think it will be there for my late boomer ass anyway, so I invite you to try. You candy ass is going to come up hard against reality. |
|
Quoted: It's kind of hard to walk away from $300K a year working 30 hours a week with 6 weeks of vacation time. View Quote And I might have six weeks or more of paid leave time, but staffing limits mean I and the people I work with can't actually take it So it rolls over into the next year, and if it isn't used next year it vaporizes. |
|
LOL!!!
OP, don't worry about it, just keep working I need my SS check. Actually boomers were not the ones who came up with SS or any of the other crap, it was before our time. |
|
Quoted:
Understood but you left out one fact...…..Bill and Hillary are BOOMERS. And to wrap this up...…..Barrack is a BOOMER. Their ideology has gone a long ways towards ruining the country I love. They were the leaders...…..and they are BOOMERS. View Quote Insert Billy Madison movie meme. |
|
|
View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: So did boomers. Shit, waggle free money in front of them, and any boomer will suck socialism's dick if they feel entitled to the money. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/31782/11-21-12-1-925277.png Statistics are what you make of them. |
|
View Quote |
|
View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted: So did boomers. Shit, waggle free money in front of them, and any boomer will suck socialism's dick if they feel entitled to the money. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/31782/11-21-12-1-925277.png Statistics are what you make of them. |
|
Are these the same Boomers who rode herd on the DJI going from sub-1000 prior to the 1970's to over 26,480 that it is today?
Damn them. |
|
|
|
Quoted:
Technically Medicare/Medicaid is a Boomer generation invention, but no, not SS. View Quote Medicare was introduced in 1966, and Boomers came along post 1946. There were damn few Boomers in Congress at 20 years old...so your assertion is flawed - technically or otherwise. Medicare was brought to you by the 'Greatest Generation'...not the Boomers. |
|
People seem to have forgotten the "lost generation". 8 pages and I don't think they were mentioned once. Maybe I missed it.
Remember, Hitler was a member of the lost generation. So was my grandfather. That is about all that they shared in common, however. |
|
Something garnering no discussion is heightened expectations/materialism in the current generations vs even a few decades back.
When you want more, it costs more, and takes more effort to provide. What most folks consider "the basics" today would have been considered luxuries to the majority when I was a toddler. A family of three with a single, used vehicle. 700 Square foot home. Out to eat maybe once a week (or two), if that. Secondhand/thrift shop clothes. Spaghetti with can sauce 3x a week. Was pretty common for us, and other families we knew. I really don't think the majority of Y and Z have realistic mental images of their parents' and grandparent's childhoods. Maybe some folks lived the extravagant boomer lives I keep reading about here, but I know we didn't. |
|
Quoted:
Well, in that regard, they didn't really have a choice. They'd been trained, programmed, indoctrinated to do so. Millennial have lived their entire lives with the twin fangs of white guilt and political correctness embedded firmly in their necks. A more self-loathing generation has probably never existed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Millennials voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Millennial have lived their entire lives with the twin fangs of white guilt and political correctness embedded firmly in their necks. A more self-loathing generation has probably never existed. Devotion to the Exotic Boomers might be offended at first, but I think it's still a good watch |
|
Quoted:
Regardless of what they say, I think the majority of millenniais just want affordable homes, cars and a safe country not full of illegals and corruption, mass inflation and debt. We wouldn't have all this current chaos and anger. I don't think boomers realize how much different shit is now. So boomers had nothing to do with any of the above? View Quote Consider this, however. -The average home size is almost twice what it was in 1960, with less people per home. Newer homes also tend to use higher grade (more expensive) materials, fixtures, appliances, etc. -Vehicle ownership was .41 per person in 1960. It peaked at 2.06 in 2008 and is now at .77 per person. The average vehicle is much nicer, more dependable, and much safer than those sold in 1960. -The country wasn't very "safe" in 1960, if you compare actual crime rates to today, per 100,000, and the cold war put a damper on everyone's party. -Corruption was every bit as bad as now, just not as open and in your face. -Inflation? Were you around in the 70's? -Debt? As noted, over half the country's debt was accrued in the last 10-12 years. Not to mention every breathing soul carrying an Iphone that's worth more than my first car.... 50" TVs that cost less than an Atari 2600 did, new...... Quality of life for the "working poor" has never been higher. I don't think a lot of y and z realize how different things were back then. |
|
I really don't think the majority of Y and Z have realistic mental images of their parents' and grandparent's childhoods.
Maybe some folks lived the extravagant boomer lives I keep reading about here, but I know we didn't. View Quote I am not sure when party lines went out. I remember them from my childhood, but that didn't affect me much, since I didn't talk on the phone much at that time. As late as 1980, I remember talking to a girl on the phone. The neighbor broke into our conversation, (basically saying that we had talked long enough and she needed to use the phone). I had to agree. Air conditioning, FM stereo, color TV, the list goes on and on. OH! That hard physical agricultural labor that immigrants now do? Yes, young boomers did that back in the day. Those big round bales of hay you see when you drive through the country used to be baled in smaller rectangular pieces, which were manhandled into barns for storage. Good labor for teen agers. |
|
Quoted:
And I might have six weeks or more of paid leave time, but staffing limits mean I and the people I work with can't actually take it So it rolls over into the next year, and if it isn't used next year it vaporizes. View Quote |
|
Quoted:
You guys need to get a better union that will start filing some lawsuits. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
And I might have six weeks or more of paid leave time, but staffing limits mean I and the people I work with can't actually take it So it rolls over into the next year, and if it isn't used next year it vaporizes. |
|
@justsayin
justsayin: What most folks consider "the basics" today would have been considered luxuries to the majority when I was a toddler. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes justsayin: What most folks consider "the basics" today would have been considered luxuries to the majority when I was a toddler. justsayin: I really don't think the majority of Y and Z have realistic mental images of their parents' and grandparent's childhoods.
Maybe some folks lived the extravagant boomer lives I keep reading about here, but I know we didn't. justsayin: Not to mention every breathing soul carrying an Iphone that's worth more than my first car....
50" TVs that cost less than an Atari 2600 did, new...... Quality of life for the "working poor" has never been higher. |
|
|
Actually it was the generation before boomers that really got things rolling on fucking over future generations. The so called 'greatest generation'...the ones who supported FDR and fought WWII (adults in the 30's and 40's) were the most selfish POS for the most part in the history of this country. At least till the 60's came along.
Welfare, social security and the roots of socialism were already in place by the time boomers took over. To me, blaming boomers for all that is like blaming X'ers for shit Jimmy Carter 'gave them' or Nixon started like the the EPA and OSHA. 1930's (way pre-boomer) is when Congress decided to no longer allow the voter to choose representatives to enact law and handed it over to alphabet agencies with unelected bureaucrats. IMO the worse damage was done under Woodrow Wilson...I'm not even sure what name we call to blame that generation that put the first anti-American president (globalist) in power who signed away our banking system (where all political and MSM corruption begins $$$) and was first to see US as the global police. |
|
Quoted:
No. Medicare was introduced in 1966, and Boomers came along post 1946. There were damn few Boomers in Congress at 20 years old...so your assertion is flawed - technically or otherwise. Medicare was brought to you by the 'Greatest Generation'...not the Boomers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Technically Medicare/Medicaid is a Boomer generation invention, but no, not SS. Medicare was introduced in 1966, and Boomers came along post 1946. There were damn few Boomers in Congress at 20 years old...so your assertion is flawed - technically or otherwise. Medicare was brought to you by the 'Greatest Generation'...not the Boomers. |
|
|
Boomers fucked us.
They imported labor, which deflated wages, kept raising the minimum wage, bought into socialist programs, expanded the welfare state, and drove us into debt. They spent more money than any group of people in human history. They gave us Carter, two terms of Clinton, the Bushs, and Obama. Reagan was tight, but the rest of them are in various ways responsible for the financial issues we have. They also gave us federally backed student loans, which have FUCKED the market up. |
|
I thought Arfcom ridiculed people that paint with a broad brush.
|
|
Quoted:
Of course. They inherited the world's greatest creditor nation with the best infrastructure in history, decided that paying for it (or fiscal responsibility of any kind) were for suckers, and they borrowed and spent every dime on history's greatest orgy of greed and excess. They spent all their own money, and their kid's money, and grandkid's money, and great grandkid's money all on themselves. Because fuck it, let the grand kids foot the bill, am I right? And were that not enough, they were too fucking lazy to even take care of the things they were gifted. Infrastructure? Education? Liberty? Fuck all that, it's time for another euro vacation and a new granite counter top. Hell, these assholes were anti-WAR until the minute they were too old to serve themselves. It was "give peace a chance" baby when they were twenty and thirty, but the minute they hit forty it was non-stop war forever. Peace? Fuck that noise, bomb them all! Everyone needed to be bombed to prove how bad ass the old bastards were. There is nothing, literally nothing, that America's worst generation didn't fucking destroy. History will remember them, and future generations will piss on their greedy fucking graves. /rant View Quote |
|
Quoted:
I don't think the younger generation understands how easy they have it financially. Few even remember that interest rates were 2-3 times higher then they are now or more. Buying a house with decent credit still meant you would be paying double digit interest rates. For you, yeah, college tuition is a killer but a bit of common sense in choosing your field and it's financial return goes a long way in making up for it. Choose a stupid field with little financial reward and a look in the mirror shows who the fool is. View Quote |
|
Nope. The nation's wealthy redistributed the nation's wealth among themselves, and told you through the government they employ, that it was squandered. Some who participated may be boomers, but not all.
|
|
|
View Quote |
|
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.