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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:45:56 AM EDT
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't been nuked Flashbacks. 
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:46:25 AM EDT
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"...The Danger of a Bad Trip Although taking LSD does not always result in a bad trip, when it does there is some danger. LSD has a profound effect on the mind. People who experience a bad trip can wind up with: permanent psychosis, anxiety, depression, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Flashbacks to the bad portions of the trip. All of these are typical symptoms of a traumatic event. Those that have these symptoms need to seek professional help. Although LSD is not typically addictive, it is difficult to get over once you have had a bad trip. If this is a problem, talk to your doctor about counseling and therapy for the symptoms...." http://psychedelics.com/lsd/what-happens-in-a-bad-lsd-trip/ |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:47:21 AM EDT
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I think they can make you more creative as they make you think/hear/see things differently but at the end of the day I I think the reasons people use to take them mask the fact they just want to get high. I know a few people that take LSD regularly. Even when straight they are total whack jobs. 
+95% of the people lost in dope are trying to avoid memories of sexual abuse as a child. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:47:50 AM EDT
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It does not expand your mind, but it might make you think it has.
It alters perception, but not reality. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:48:13 AM EDT
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I find it humorous how many people seem to think that disrupting a billion years of pragmatic sensory & computational evolution with a pair of chemical jumper cables reveals a "truer" image of the world around us than we can comprehend while sober. Just because it's novel doesn't make it true or meaningful; only interesting. 'Vacation from the self' is the best description for the experience, as well as the purpose and 'deeper meaning' of psychedelics...and all intoxicants more broadly. If you trip hard enough, you even get to alter your personality for a (hopefully) brief period, not merely your perception & emotional responses. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:48:22 AM EDT
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It's more about what you do with it than vice versa. So, of course some people use it just to get high, and others use it to change their perception. You can learn a lot about yourself and how you perceive the world. Part of it is like being able to look at the "source code," learning how tenuous the relationship is between what we perceive and what's there, and becoming aware of thought patterns that are so engrained that they're automatic. One of the vets I mentioned above, was a hard core Mormon.. He had fallen away after his deployment. But he supposedly had a spiritual experience and all he told me was "Demons exist, they are parasites that feed off our negative energy.. Angels and god exist and we are not alone in this universe. That there are many beings on the same journey with us, dealing with the same shit" He is currently "closer to the lord" now. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:49:00 AM EDT
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I watch the A&E TV show "Addiction" a lot ... so that makes me an expert.
+95% of the people lost in dope are trying to avoid memories of sexual abuse as a child. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think they can make you more creative as they make you think/hear/see things differently but at the end of the day I I think the reasons people use to take them mask the fact they just want to get high. I know a few people that take LSD regularly. Even when straight they are total whack jobs.
+95% of the people lost in dope are trying to avoid memories of sexual abuse as a child. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:49:46 AM EDT
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When I took LSD it was a bad experience. At seventeen years old our plans to have someone else do the driving went away and I was left to drive around all night with a friend who also was on LSD. 
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:52:07 AM EDT
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the one person I knew who was heavily into these things, was also prone to violent outbursts at random and seemingly for no, or very little reason.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 9:58:04 AM EDT
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Why call bullshit? Just find out. So when you are ready to cut the bullshit and be in the know. Then you will know. Easy peasy, drop some LSD and see. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:05:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:One of the reasons I used to drink like a fish.  So sorry to hear of that, I hope you've found peace.
I think child sex abuse is one of the biggest crimes allowed in our society. We need to be way more protective of our children and WAY harsher on their attackers. Those who abuse children are among the most evil of animals loose in our society. Our society accepts their crimes at a certain level as even after being caught they're let loose to roam around our most vulnerable again. Personally I'd like to see child sex abusers sentenced to just a couple months in prison ... labeled as a child abuser and let loose in the general population with a green light given by the corrections officers. Those animals would then learn what if feels like to be a victim and live in fear. Afterwards they would be released back into society after an hour long meeting with the victims male relatives in a small room. If there is a God in heaven there's a special place in hell for these sons-of-bitches. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:12:47 AM EDT
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So sorry to hear of that, I hope you've found peace.
I think child sex abuse is one of the biggest crimes allowed in our society. We need to be way more protective of our children and WAY harsher on their attackers. Those who abuse children are among the most evil of animals loose in our society. Our society accepts their crimes at a certain level as even after being caught they're let loose to roam around our most vulnerable again. Personally I'd like to see child sex abusers sentenced to just a couple months in prison ... labeled as a child abuser and let loose in the general population with a green light given by the corrections officers. Those animals would then learn what if feels like to be a victim and live in fear. Afterwards they would be released back into society after an hour long meeting with the victims male relatives in a small room. If there is a God in heaven there's a special place in hell for these sons-of-bitches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:One of the reasons I used to drink like a fish. So sorry to hear of that, I hope you've found peace.
I think child sex abuse is one of the biggest crimes allowed in our society. We need to be way more protective of our children and WAY harsher on their attackers. Those who abuse children are among the most evil of animals loose in our society. Our society accepts their crimes at a certain level as even after being caught they're let loose to roam around our most vulnerable again. Personally I'd like to see child sex abusers sentenced to just a couple months in prison ... labeled as a child abuser and let loose in the general population with a green light given by the corrections officers. Those animals would then learn what if feels like to be a victim and live in fear. Afterwards they would be released back into society after an hour long meeting with the victims male relatives in a small room. If there is a God in heaven there's a special place in hell for these sons-of-bitches. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:16:01 AM EDT
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laughs in Walter Bishop
 While watching Bob Ross  Deeply Artificial Trees (excerpt) |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:19:34 AM EDT
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So:
-Some people experience enhanced perception, and see life in a new way. -Some people decide they can fly from the roof of a twenty story building. How do you know which you're gonna be? Asking for a friend. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:21:23 AM EDT
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You guys are talking about SERIOUS DRUGS here! Schedule I! No medicinal value and HIGH risk for addiction! There is a reason why you are a felon when you are caught with these EXTREMELY DANGEROUS substances!!! |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:21:44 AM EDT
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I never saw things that weren’t there. I always heard about people having hallucinations where they straight up saw shit that wasn’t there. I never saw elves or visited strange lands or any of that shit. Half the time, I think people were making that up. Hell, I don’t know. Maybe you had to be a coloring book candidate to see He-Man on a trip. Mine were always bizarrely reflective. I would ponder a lot of things. It definitely changes the way you think. I realized the real trip is not out of this world but out of your mind, out of the patterns of your thinking, the certainty of identity. Really, it’s a vacation from yourself. Can’t have that. Illegal. The lock didn't say occupied and nobody was in it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:23:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:23:22 AM EDT
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It does not expand your mind, but it might make you think it has. It alters perception, but not reality. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:25:39 AM EDT
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Don't take LSD and fly in a helicopter. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:27:51 AM EDT
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I do know that the bands that are on lots of drugs always seem to make better music than the bands that are "sober".
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:28:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:28:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is just a hunch but it could be more related to your screen name than the LSD. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:31:33 AM EDT
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Back in the 70's when I was in college I tried (first and last time) some mushrooms with my friends. For most of the time I was terrified and very paranoid but after a few hours I started to come down a bit. I was watching some people play chess and for the first time I "saw" the zones of control of all the pieces. It was truly enlightening.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:31:48 AM EDT
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It completely strips you of ego for about a day which can be pretty profound IMO.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:32:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey man, I'm the sanest person I know. If you could only communicate with that alien I saw one night when I was on drugs 40 years ago he'd tell you. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:35:41 AM EDT
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While I have never done them, as a DRE I've done evaluations on many people under the influence of them. From a sober POV it does nothing but fuck your brain up. Maybe it would allow you to create art that is different than you normally would but I just don't see much positive to using psychedelics. With that said, I'd imagine you're only seeing the darker side of people since they're in your care. It would be like a LEO giving an opinion on alcohol that's only had an experience with DUI drivers but never drank just one drink. There's levels and mindset that make them end up in your care. There's many people that have positive experiences and go on about their life, all walks. Religious, professional, happy people, that never needed to find care while experiencing these things. It's certainly not for everyone, just like anything in life. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:37:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think perhaps peoples perception of spatial concepts change. Inner worlds and all that. From an academic standpoint, I recall colors appearing more rich like someone bumping up the saturation. Objects appeared more defined and flat. Paradoxically, they still appeared to have a dimension of depth as caused by borders constantly in motion and what seemed to be like shifting planes of light and dark. Visually, everything takes on a very dream like quality. I remember feeling like I had butterflies in my stomach, a constant feeling of anticipation and enthusiasm - the “tickle” we called it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:37:11 AM EDT
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I took a hit of acid when I was eighteen. A few hours into it I had to play a round of golf at a pretty tough course I had never played before. At the time, I was a five handicap.
I started bogey, bogey and then something clicked. It was as if I was really in sync with incredible perception. I played the next sixteen holes three under. Only tripped a few times since then, and all with the same results....perfect coordination and perception with super athletic ability. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:39:20 AM EDT
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I heard someone (va maybe?) was using ketamine with great results on PTSD. Interesting there was a global push to ban ketamine a couple years ago. USA was the only hold out (animal medicine uses alot of it). The Bronx VA in cooperation with Mt. Sinai medical school had/has a program studying the effects of low does ketamine on patients with combat-related PTSD. I was one of the first participants. I can't say anything about it though, I wound up dropping out of the program before clinical trials began because I couldn't handle the trip into Manhattan. Without sounding like a snowflake, the big apple was triggering as fuck. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:39:26 AM EDT
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I've never done illegal drugs, but there is an intravenous anti seizure med I am given if I have a seizure that causes me to have hallucinations
the first time the wood grain of the hospital bed table turned into teddy bears doing sit ups or aeobics since then I have seen neon cartoon grand others on roller skates or large st. bernard type dogs in corners of rooms never right in front of me always in the peripherals expanding my mind not really just cartoonish images just outside my field of view. again I have / will never try LSD. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:39:44 AM EDT
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It basically breaches the safeguards on your emotional-regulation systems during a strong enough trip...just like a sufficiently traumatic experience. What's ironic, is people who very passionately extol the virtues of the experience for "expanding their mind," have "religious experiences" or "life altering realizations" and so on, are basically suffering from post-traumatic stress themselves, but from a 'too-positive' emotional response that has 'bent' their state of mind in the opposite direction a terrible gun battle would, for example. It certainly felt good at the time & afterward --no reason to doubt that-- but irrational happiness can be as self-destructive as depression if a person becomes accustomed to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"...The Danger of a Bad Trip Although taking LSD does not always result in a bad trip, when it does there is some danger. LSD has a profound effect on the mind. People who experience a bad trip can wind up with: permanent psychosis, anxiety, depression, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Flashbacks to the bad portions of the trip. All of these are typical symptoms of a traumatic event. Those that have these symptoms need to seek professional help. Although LSD is not typically addictive, it is difficult to get over once you have had a bad trip. If this is a problem, talk to your doctor about counseling and therapy for the symptoms...." http://psychedelics.com/lsd/what-happens-in-a-bad-lsd-trip/ |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:42:25 AM EDT
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Always amazes me the amount of people who have or do hard drugs on here.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:44:35 AM EDT
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Pro tip: Don't take LSD and fly in a helicopter.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:44:39 AM EDT
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In 1984, I stared into a half full (glass) Welch's grape soda bottle for over 1.5 hours. I was sitting on a curb across the street from my parents house. No one else around, but me and that bottle. I thought I had only been there about 30 seconds. Apparently, there was a LOT going on in that bottle.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:54:05 AM EDT
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My hippie gf in college got fucked on magic mushrooms one night while I was visiting. She freaked out pretty hard when I "melted" into the brick wall I was leaning against. That was all I needed to know about psychedelic drugs
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:54:24 AM EDT
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So: -Some people experience enhanced perception, and see life in a new way. -Some people decide they can fly from the roof of a twenty story building. How do you know which you're gonna be? Asking for a friend. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:04:52 AM EDT
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At times I wonder how big shrooms where throughout history. Dirtbag hippies weren't the first to discover them. There's even a theory that shrooms may have had a place in the evolution of man.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:09:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Been sober 15 or so months now.  Great job!!!
Keep up your defenses and be on-guard but that's an amazing start on a long and tough journey. It's a hell of a tough thing to do, congratulations. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:12:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Your brain already lies to you about "reality". It's just a really good lie. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:13:07 AM EDT
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While I have never done them, as a DRE I've done evaluations on many people under the influence of them. From a sober POV it does nothing but fuck your brain up. Maybe it would allow you to create art that is different than you normally would but I just don't see much positive to using psychedelics. The one down side to any of my trips was my inability to give a fuck outside of the now. I have FELT literally transcendent on a very high dosage of LSD and K... I have done many types often in combination, and done them many times, but have never seen things not there, like angry Smurfs, or "Randy Rhodes jumping out of my poster to jam on the desk"... I have seen walls breath, curtains sway in a still room, been enthralled for hours by a lava lamp, or snowy static on the TV and my fingers always look reaaaalllyyy long. I did have trip on peyote where my teeth were singing and giggling, that was odd, For the most part my trips on fry or 'shrooms have been giggle fests up until peak, then 4 good solid hours of deep introspection and visual wonder at the world. The best trips were synesthetic, feeling colors or seeing sound, but were very rare, and very ephemeral. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:14:02 AM EDT
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I took a hit of acid when I was eighteen. A few hours into it I had to play a round of golf at a pretty tough course I had never played before. At the time, I was a five handicap. I started bogey, bogey and then something clicked. It was as if I was really in sync with incredible perception. I played the next sixteen holes three under. Only tripped a few times since then, and all with the same results....perfect coordination and perception with super athletic ability. My actual playing ability was enhanced, too. Being able to grow that sixth finger helped. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:18:55 AM EDT
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You guys are talking about SERIOUS DRUGS here! Schedule I! No medicinal value and HIGH risk for addiction! There is a reason why you are a felon when you are caught with these EXTREMELY DANGEROUS substances!!! except that actual medical research indicates that psilocybin mushrooms (to take one example) are more effective, cheaper, and have less side effects than commercial drugs for treatment of anxiety, depression, PTSD, and addiction. Yet the research needed so that they could be prescribed and used can't be done because of the Schedule I bogeyman. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:20:18 AM EDT
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Pro tip: Don't take LSD and fly in a helicopter. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:27:33 AM EDT
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Always amazes me the amount of people who have or do hard drugs on here. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:51:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By @9divdoc:
They create a artificial chemical psychosis...they open the channels of psychosis and increase certain neuro- transmitters decrease others create rough to permanent "wound channels" for neuro transmitters to flow in... path of least resistance kind of thing...damage whether temporary or permanent depends on the individual's tolerance and dosage dependent. Just my opinon 
No. Just no. That’s how they thought it worked back in the 50’s, but current research actually shows psychedelics may be useful in treating addiction, anxiety, depression, PTSD, and other disorders with an obsessive thought loop component. Scientists now believe it dampens the Default Mode Network which may be involved in the obsessive thought loop components of the conditions mentioned previously. Current research believes that psychedelics help to reset the mind to make it easier to break out of mental “ruts” and to make new pathways.. much like shaking a snow globe to reset things. Bill Wilson, founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, wanted to incorporate LSD into AA and treatment of alcoholism due to his experience with psychedelics: LSD could help alcoholics stop drinking, AA founder believed Some initial studies with treating depression with psychedelics and psychotherapy are showing promise. So much so that psilocybin (the active drug in magic mushrooms) was granted breakthrough status by the FDA for the treating of drug resistant depression: FDA Recognizes Psilocybin As 'Breakthrough Therapy' for Depression They got good results with improving depression in people that had failed multiple drugs/treatments for it. Robin Carhartt-Harris is one of the leading researchers in this field. This is a great presentation where he discusses how psilocybin works on the brain and the results in one of the depressions studies:  How psychedelics can treat depression - Robin Carhart Harris Edited to add: They also used psilocybin in terminally ill cancer patients with anxiety/depression around their death and got some amazing results: Psilocybin produces substantial and sustained decreases in depression and anxiety in patients with life-threatening cancer: A randomized double-blind trial @SemperFo @sherrick13 |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:54:10 AM EDT
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It amazes me the amount of people who have or do live in NJ on here. Some things are worse than drugs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Always amazes me the amount of people who have or do hard drugs on here. Texas blue coming! |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:55:27 AM EDT
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I don’t think I could handle it now. Too old, too sad, too fragile in body and mind. At 40, I already miss my youth terribly. No wonder people are ready to die at the end. They’re probably like “just get this over with already.” |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 12:17:37 PM EDT
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How many of those were on a solid positive trip? The one down side to any of my trips was my inability to give a fuck outside of the now. I have FELT literally transcendent on a very high dosage of LSD and K... I have done many types often in combination, and done them many times, but have never seen things not there, like angry Smurfs, or "Randy Rhodes jumping out of my poster to jam on the desk"... I have seen walls breath, curtains sway in a still room, been enthralled for hours by a lava lamp, or snowy static on the TV and my fingers always look reaaaalllyyy long. I did have trip on peyote where my teeth were singing and giggling, that was odd, For the most part my trips on fry or 'shrooms have been giggle fests up until peak, then 4 good solid hours of deep introspection and visual wonder at the world. The best trips were synesthetic, feeling colors or seeing sound, but were very rare, and very ephemeral. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I have never done them, as a DRE I've done evaluations on many people under the influence of them. From a sober POV it does nothing but fuck your brain up. Maybe it would allow you to create art that is different than you normally would but I just don't see much positive to using psychedelics. The one down side to any of my trips was my inability to give a fuck outside of the now. I have FELT literally transcendent on a very high dosage of LSD and K... I have done many types often in combination, and done them many times, but have never seen things not there, like angry Smurfs, or "Randy Rhodes jumping out of my poster to jam on the desk"... I have seen walls breath, curtains sway in a still room, been enthralled for hours by a lava lamp, or snowy static on the TV and my fingers always look reaaaalllyyy long. I did have trip on peyote where my teeth were singing and giggling, that was odd, For the most part my trips on fry or 'shrooms have been giggle fests up until peak, then 4 good solid hours of deep introspection and visual wonder at the world. The best trips were synesthetic, feeling colors or seeing sound, but were very rare, and very ephemeral. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 12:21:45 PM EDT
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Some were enjoying themselves, some i had to terminate the eval because it could not be done safely. Most were just wierd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I have never done them, as a DRE I've done evaluations on many people under the influence of them. From a sober POV it does nothing but fuck your brain up. Maybe it would allow you to create art that is different than you normally would but I just don't see much positive to using psychedelics. The one down side to any of my trips was my inability to give a fuck outside of the now. I have FELT literally transcendent on a very high dosage of LSD and K... I have done many types often in combination, and done them many times, but have never seen things not there, like angry Smurfs, or "Randy Rhodes jumping out of my poster to jam on the desk"... I have seen walls breath, curtains sway in a still room, been enthralled for hours by a lava lamp, or snowy static on the TV and my fingers always look reaaaalllyyy long. I did have trip on peyote where my teeth were singing and giggling, that was odd, For the most part my trips on fry or 'shrooms have been giggle fests up until peak, then 4 good solid hours of deep introspection and visual wonder at the world. The best trips were synesthetic, feeling colors or seeing sound, but were very rare, and very ephemeral. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 12:39:31 PM EDT
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What I came to post. It's the sweet feeling of complex sensory systems screaming while they die. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"...The Danger of a Bad Trip Although taking LSD does not always result in a bad trip, when it does there is some danger. LSD has a profound effect on the mind. People who experience a bad trip can wind up with: permanent psychosis, anxiety, depression, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Flashbacks to the bad portions of the trip. All of these are typical symptoms of a traumatic event. Those that have these symptoms need to seek professional help. Although LSD is not typically addictive, it is difficult to get over once you have had a bad trip. If this is a problem, talk to your doctor about counseling and therapy for the symptoms...." http://psychedelics.com/lsd/what-happens-in-a-bad-lsd-trip/ Incidentally, I don't use drugs but I do find the research and potential applications of them to be fascinating. The fellow who really got me interested in it is a researcher at UNC Chapel Hill who was/is (I haven't talked to him in a while, I assume that's still the focus of his research) working on quantitative ways to measure TBIs in veterans following IED attacks. |
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