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Posted: 10/17/2022 2:40:54 AM EST
20 minute video discussing the merits of a red dot and if you need one or not.
RDS on pistols are more available over time with popular newer guns like the P365 coming with optic cuts. Do you feel bad shooting iron sighted pistols now? Are they for the poors?  Do You Really Need a Red Dot on Your Pistol? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 2:47:48 AM EST
[#1]
Nah
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:28:30 AM EST
[#2]
For me it as my eyes got older and the irons were good only outdoors in perfect light.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:30:40 AM EST
[#3]
Only if you want to be faster and more accurate, assuming you put the time in to train with them.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:32:19 AM EST
[#4]
Yes. You can’t shoot it without one. Unpossible
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:34:02 AM EST
[#5]
For actual, not go to jail, defensive distances, I want to try express sights. Not with the current aftermarket front bead but a custom, but a front bead that is larger than what is available from the various sight manufacturers.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:45:41 AM EST
[#6]
In all the times I’ve pulled a gun I haven’t had to fire, so arguably I don’t even need bullets.
But if I have to shoot I want advantages |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:46:24 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For actual, not go to jail, defensive distances, I want to try express sights. Not with the current aftermarket front bead but a custom, but a front bead that is larger than what is available from the various sight manufacturers. No such distance exists. “Statistical” or “Typical”, I can see but a hard line measurement that is the difference between a good or bad shoot? Not today, the goal posts have moved and we need to be able to move with them. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:59:59 AM EST
[#8]
I recently bought one off the EE.
I'm ready to try it out when I get a day off. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:05:26 AM EST
[#9]
For close near contact distances (<5 yards) I don’t really need any sights to put a great majority of rounds into a silouhette B zone or better as fast as I can whip it out and start squeezin’… and I probably wouldn’t even use the red dot.
For anything further out to distances I start to wish I had a rifle (25-50+ yards) the red dot is WAY faster and more forgiving than lining up irons in WAY more lighting conditions. And it lets me do it while keeping both eyes focused down range instead of on a front sight post. furthermore a red dot kicks the utter shit out of night sights in dark conditions and it’s an excellent dry fire training tool that lets you see how clean your break is with the dot dancing around when the sear breaks. So “need”? No. But It certainly doesn’t hurt anything being there and an RMR doesn’t hardly add any weight. If you keep the irons as a backup an RDS is really all upside considering the very very minor hit in weight/bulk. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:15:46 AM EST
[#10]
Quoted: 20 minute video discussing the merits of a red dot and if you need one or not. RDS on pistols are more available over time with popular newer guns like the P365 coming with optic cuts. Do you feel bad shooting iron sighted pistols now? Are they for the poors?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW5jgm_6KJoWho is in the video and why should we care what he thinks Red dots on pistols is old news |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:16:13 AM EST
[#11]
Quoted: Do you feel bad shooting iron sighted pistols now? Are they for the poors? Another provocateur toxic Dance thread!  Do you feel miserable that people are happy without a red dot on their handguns?? Why the desperate need to stir the pot and create drama where there was none? Do you get your jollies by causing these drama threads while setting folks up for easy metadata mining material? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:28:36 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another provocateur toxic Dance thread! Do you feel bad that people are happy without a red dot on their handguns? Why the desperate need to stir the pot and create drama where there was none? Do you get your jollies by causing these drama threads while setting folks up for easy metadata mining material? Red dots on handguns are for those that want them there, and that is it. Nothing wrong for those not wanting them though and doesn't make them a fUdD or a bOoMeR either. Go back to bed, get up on the other side. To answer the question, yes I use a RD on my carry gun and a few others. They are easy to learn, quicker to pick up and transition from target to target... for me. Shield DR on a Hellcat. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:35:34 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go back to bed, get up on the other side. To answer the question, yes I use a RD on my carry gun and a few others. They are easy to learn, quicker to pick up and transition from target to target... for me. Shield DR on a Hellcat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another provocateur toxic Dance thread! Do you feel bad that people are happy without a red dot on their handguns? Why the desperate need to stir the pot and create drama where there was none? Do you get your jollies by causing these drama threads while setting folks up for easy metadata mining material? Red dots on handguns are for those that want them there, and that is it. Nothing wrong for those not wanting them though and doesn't make them a fUdD or a bOoMeR either. Go back to bed, get up on the other side. To answer the question, yes I use a RD on my carry gun and a few others. They are easy to learn, quicker to pick up and transition from target to target... for me. Shield DR on a Hellcat. Why do you hate the freedom to choose what we like and don't like on our handguns that is different than what you like on yours? Looks like you need to take your own advice and wake back up on the good side. Nothing wrong about not wanting our handguns without an RDS, either. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:53:46 AM EST
[#14]
The trigger won't even pull on any of my guns without one.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:59:34 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For close near contact distances (<5 yards) I don’t really need any sights to put a great majority of rounds into a silouhette B zone or better as fast as I can whip it out and start squeezin’… and I probably wouldn’t even use the red dot. For anything further out to distances I start to wish I had a rifle (25-50+ yards) the red dot is WAY faster and more forgiving than lining up irons in WAY more lighting conditions. And it lets me do it while keeping both eyes focused down range instead of on a front sight post. furthermore a red dot kicks the utter shit out of night sights in dark conditions and it’s an excellent dry fire training tool that lets you see how clean your break is with the dot dancing around when the sear breaks. So “need”? No. But It certainly doesn’t hurt anything being there and an RMR doesn’t hardly add any weight. If you keep the irons as a backup an RDS is really all upside considering the very very minor hit in weight/bulk. ^^^^This is why...very well explained. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:01:15 AM EST
[#16]
Do I "need" one? No but I certainly enjoy using one though.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:50:42 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is in the video and why should we care what he thinks Red dots on pistols is old news Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 20 minute video discussing the merits of a red dot and if you need one or not. RDS on pistols are more available over time with popular newer guns like the P365 coming with optic cuts. Do you feel bad shooting iron sighted pistols now? Are they for the poors? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW5jgm_6KJoWho is in the video and why should we care what he thinks Red dots on pistols is old news He must be VERY badass. He doesn’t joke or come off that hard glare at all. Even has the badass pants/ sunglasses/ hat with the primped beard. I don’t get those kind of people. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:48:27 AM EST
[#18]
If I put a red dot sight on my pistol would it make me more liable in a self defense shooting?
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:52:37 AM EST
[#19]
Get both.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:54:46 AM EST
[#20]
nope
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:54:49 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For me it as my eyes got older and the irons were good only outdoors in perfect light. That was true for a few years and then it got to the point where I could only see the front sight with my glasses on. Can't guarantee I'll never have my glasses fall off/get knocked off, so the red dot works, glasses or not. I can put a fuzzy dot on a target all day long. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:55:01 AM EST
[#22]
nope
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:57:03 AM EST
[#23]
Quoted: Do you feel bad shooting iron sighted pistols now? Yes. The best argument against red dots is it has made me hate non-red dot pistols and don’t want to shoot them anymore. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:58:04 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For me it as my eyes got older and the irons were good only outdoors in perfect light. Same. I'm now minute of bad guy with iron sights, but I enjoy target shooting and red dots have saved me. I sucked up quite a bit of expense in recent years by purchasing slides with optic cuts for some of my pistols instead of having the existing slides cut. Zero regrets so far. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:01:48 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. The best argument against red dots is it has made me hate non-red dot pistols and don't want to shoot them anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you feel bad shooting iron sighted pistols now? Yes. The best argument against red dots is it has made me hate non-red dot pistols and don't want to shoot them anymore. Also, I see our resident hater has surfaced. 
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:03:43 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah For old eyes they are like the fountain of youth. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:04:59 AM EST
[#27]
Maybe, maybe not. I require RDS for anything outside conversation distance in all lighting conditions.
Front sight fuzzy in daylight, almost invisible in low light. Put me down for RDS for duty use. You can do what ya want, it doesn't bother me. Rock on. 
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:06:19 AM EST
[#28]
No.
Red dots are great and all but I still shoot irons fine. If I seriously believed I needed a pistol for self defense I would carry a dot and at some point I will make the transition anyway. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:07:17 AM EST
[#29]
Do I need it? No.
Do I find it makes a difference? Yes. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:08:07 AM EST
[#30]
On the one I shoot in the dark I do.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:11:04 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:15:15 AM EST
[#32]
Need?
Do I need to carry a Glock 22 rather than a snub? No, I probably don't need a Glock 22 rather than a snub; but, if I had to defend myself I'd rather have the Glock 22 in hand and I carry accordingly. Does the Glockk 22 need a dot? Probably not; but, I think the dot advantageous. Some people carry the minimum "better than nothing" Some prefer to carry "best I can do" (me) "Best I can do" addresses criteria past need |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:15:54 AM EST
[#33]
No, but I’ve moved to RDS’s on all my CCW’s and work gun.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:19:09 AM EST
[#34]
What's the best red dot for my gun for those contact to 18" range shots? I notice a lot of drop so how much should I hold over the target?
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:19:53 AM EST
[#35]
I have shot so much without them I do not all think they are a necessity.
I have them on 2 rimfire handguns and they are handy for precision, like shooting empty shotgun shells @ 15 to 25 yards, but not a necessity, even with my old eyes. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:21:21 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For actual, not go to jail, defensive distances, I want to try express sights. Not with the current aftermarket front bead but a custom, but a front bead that is larger than what is available from the various sight manufacturers. At what range will I go to jail, exactly? Could you show me an example of this? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:25:02 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go back to bed, get up on the other side. To answer the question, yes I use a RD on my carry gun and a few others. They are easy to learn, quicker to pick up and transition from target to target... for me. Shield DR on a Hellcat. Ohhhh he’s not gonna like that. You’re going on the ignore list, Buddy!! |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:41:19 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For actual, not go to jail, defensive distances, Like 40 yards in a mall. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:42:35 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:42:59 AM EST
[#40]
I'm a good shot with a pistol but I wanted to try it so I got a new slide and a 407k for my 365. Damned if everything I did wasn't faster and more accurate with the RDS. It just is what it is.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:43:21 AM EST
[#41]
Need? No outside of certain niche applications
Nice to have? Most certainly |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:44:26 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another provocateur toxic Dance thread! Do you feel miserable that people are happy without a red dot on their handguns?? Why the desperate need to stir the pot and create drama where there was none? Do you get your jollies by causing these drama threads while setting folks up for easy metadata mining material? Projecting much? I bet if we took a poll you'd win the "most insufferable Arfcommer" award by a decent margin. Give it a rest man. I've NEVER seen you post something that wasn't an attempt to start an argument, or continue one. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:50:36 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like 40 yards in a mall. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For actual, not go to jail, defensive distances, Like 40 yards in a mall.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:05:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I put a red dot sight on my pistol would it make me more liable in a self defense shooting? Any prosecutor is going to use anything such as your conceal carry license... Point is let the jury decide on that buy a good lawyer would counter my client wants to only put bullets on the bad guy. Hell how many times in the court of public opinion have they tried to use on SD and cop interactions how many rounds they used |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:10:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I put a red dot sight on my pistol would it make me more liable in a self defense shooting? “Ladies and gentlemen of the jury… Mr. Arty8 went so far as to mount a sighting devise on his firearm so he could shoot more accurately!” Ummmm… ok. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:11:33 AM EST
[#46]
As far as the original question?
“Need”? No. “Want because of its additive effect upon speed and accuracy?” Yes. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:12:53 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Projecting much? I bet if we took a poll you'd win the "most insufferable Arfcommer" award by a decent margin. Give it a rest man. I've NEVER seen you post something that wasn't an attempt to start an argument, or continue one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another provocateur toxic Dance thread! Do you feel miserable that people are happy without a red dot on their handguns?? Why the desperate need to stir the pot and create drama where there was none? Do you get your jollies by causing these drama threads while setting folks up for easy metadata mining material? Projecting much? I bet if we took a poll you'd win the "most insufferable Arfcommer" award by a decent margin. Give it a rest man. I've NEVER seen you post something that wasn't an attempt to start an argument, or continue one. You're going to end up on his list too.....anyone who calls out his epic level of butthurt gets put on the list. 
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:14:10 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:16:18 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're going to end up on his list too.....anyone who calls out his epic level of butthurt gets put on the list. Bro, I'm already on it. He has quoted a response of mine and said "click" at least twice now.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:16:32 AM EST
[#50]
I have no use for Red Dots on any firearm I own.
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