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Posted: 4/6/2017 2:46:33 PM EST
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Posted: 4/6/2017 2:48:21 PM EST
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One thing I wish is if someone would do SEM determination of the alloy content on preserved historical blades like that. Maybe someone has. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:12:26 PM EST
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Someone posted a video in this thread of that English character that does sword videos. He was talking to some expert who mentioned that damascus blades had superior steel than Japanese blades since there was less slag in it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:23:28 PM EST
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Someone posted a video in this thread of that English character that does sword videos. He was talking to some expert who mentioned that damascus blades had superior steel than Japanese blades since there was less slag in it. But I'm a nerd and would love to see actual chemical composition of various weapons. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:27:54 PM EST
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yeah, damascus (actually an indian process) was better than anything out of europe or the far east. first man-made carbon nanotube structures that we know of. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone posted a video in this thread of that English character that does sword videos. He was talking to some expert who mentioned that damascus blades had superior steel than Japanese blades since there was less slag in it. 
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:54:13 PM EST
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Ouch. Right in the feels. 
At the risk of more mocking, I'm somewhere in this picture. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1715/2490.JPG
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:02:05 PM EST
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yeah, damascus (actually an indian process) was better than anything out of europe or the far east. first man-made carbon nanotube structures that we know of. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:03:43 PM EST
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What is known of the actual process? |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:13:08 PM EST
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w00t(Z) !! Pattern welded steel which is layers of different steels forge welded together and referred to as Damascus by nearly everyone today is not wootz steel, although you could pattern weld wootz steel if you wanted. Some of the 1095 I've heat treated recently looks very similar to wootz though only in the clay insulated portion and not the hardened portion, causing a very odd looking hamon when developed. I wish I could say I know how I'm doing it but I think it has more to do with this particular batch of steel than anything I'm doing in heat treat. More knowledgeable members of BF than I have a theory on how this occurs at the end of a run during smelting and the phenomenon is localized to that particular portion of the ingot. 
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:14:16 PM EST
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What is known of the actual process? |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:16:51 PM EST
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Also even though this thread has now gone from dopey to nerdish I still <3 this thread
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:26:03 PM EST
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A European halberd, and a Japanese wakizashi for emergencies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I need a bottom line: what sword for the Zombie apocalypse? Cavalry saber? 
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:33:01 PM EST
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Not just respect, but recognize nuance. it seems, and I've practice very little kendo, "cutting" is a huge complement of the Japanese sword arts, while in HEMA it's in a back room if present at all. It also seems much of the European styles favor an attacking cut that incorporates defense, while the Japanases style seems more purely offensive to me (this is potentially ignorant). This distinction can be seen between European styles even. Both good, but different. as for cutting, the way it was explained to me is that proper form and technique are heavily emphasized early on in the sense of programming good muscle memory, but as good technique gets internalized the emphasis shifts from kinematics to tactics. that's part of the koryu (traditional) teaching approach, evidently. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 5:06:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryHere we are having a nice discussion on swords and the fucking pikemen gotta shit all over the place.
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Posted: 4/6/2017 5:24:23 PM EST
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yeah, damascus (actually an indian process) was better than anything out of europe or the far east. first man-made carbon nanotube structures that we know of. The myth that ancient damascus was some kind of unicorn that we modern people can't figure out is idiotic. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 7:53:59 PM EST
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Here we are having a nice discussion on swords and the fucking pikemen gotta shit all over the place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/7/2017 10:17:51 AM EST
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"That's it, lads! Just take one out of the umbrella stand and head to General Discussion! Those katana fruitcakes are acting up again. We'll catch them with their pants down... it's after 8pm and they're all watching hentai." http://imageshack.us/a/img924/4876/VMp2To.jpg 
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Posted: 4/7/2017 10:30:11 AM EST
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The variety in European halberds/pole arms is just fantastic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"That's it, lads! Just take one out of the umbrella stand and head to General Discussion! Those katana fruitcakes are acting up again. We'll catch them with their pants down... it's after 8pm and they're all watching hentai." http://imageshack.us/a/img924/4876/VMp2To.jpg |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 9:39:47 PM EST
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I like the ones that look like giant can openers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"That's it, lads! Just take one out of the umbrella stand and head to General Discussion! Those katana fruitcakes are acting up again. We'll catch them with their pants down... it's after 8pm and they're all watching hentai." http://imageshack.us/a/img924/4876/VMp2To.jpg 
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Posted: 4/8/2017 7:43:25 AM EST
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"That's it, lads! Just take one out of the umbrella stand and head to General Discussion! Those katana fruitcakes are acting up again. We'll catch them with their pants down... it's after 8pm and they're all watching hentai." http://imageshack.us/a/img924/4876/VMp2To.jpg Kharn |
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Posted: 4/8/2017 3:09:58 PM EST
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Damn War Thunder bullshit. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"That's it, lads! Just take one out of the umbrella stand and head to General Discussion! Those katana fruitcakes are acting up again. We'll catch them with their pants down... it's after 8pm and they're all watching hentai." http://imageshack.us/a/img924/4876/VMp2To.jpg Kharn |
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Posted: 4/8/2017 3:41:39 PM EST
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I have no idea what that is. I just thouht it was funny for this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"That's it, lads! Just take one out of the umbrella stand and head to General Discussion! Those katana fruitcakes are acting up again. We'll catch them with their pants down... it's after 8pm and they're all watching hentai." http://imageshack.us/a/img924/4876/VMp2To.jpg Kharn Kharn |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 7:55:47 AM EST
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SEM like Scanning Electron Microscope with Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy, or is there a different technique with the same acronym? You'll be hard pressed to find a SEM with a big enough chamber to fit a sword, and I doubt anybody wants to chip a cross-section off of a historical sword. Maybe one of those hand held X-ray fluorescence machines? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One thing I wish is if someone would do SEM determination of the alloy content on preserved historical blades like that. Maybe someone has. Maybe one of those hand held X-ray fluorescence machines? The folding that is so mysterious was to make the steel more consistent like needing dough. Swords made with modern steel don't need it unless it's done for aesthetic reasons. There were many construction techniques that used low carbon steel core with high carbon steel jacket for added durability. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 7:57:38 AM EST
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What is known of the actual process? Best theory I heard was that the Indians had a way to melt steel(making it very consistent) at the time that was lost to history. At that point in history no one could make a fire hot enough to melt steel to a liquid(except maybe the Indians). Hence all the folding techniques used by ancient smiths that evened out the carbon content in the steel. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 8:27:03 AM EST
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Very little just some theories. Note that pattern welded steel sold as Damascus today is not the same thing. Best theory I heard was that the Indians had a way to melt steel(making it very consistent) at the time that was lost to history. At that point in history no one could make a fire hot enough to melt steel to a liquid(except maybe the Indians). Hence all the folding techniques used by ancient smiths that evened out the carbon content in the steel. The melting pot + alloying agents is what leads to the alloy banding and carbide segregation. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 9:07:04 AM EST
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Posted: 4/10/2017 9:28:40 AM EST
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A Russian made video game, in which the American aircraft are complete shit, and the Russian, Japanese, and Germans punch far above their designs. For example, show an American flight manual and you'll be told those characteristics are BS so those performance numbers will never be put into the game. Someone else shows up with a bar napkin with some super Russian aircraft bullshitted to be better than a P51 and available in 1940 and it's added to the game within weeks. It took years to get anything beyond the worst P38 to ever take flight (it didn't even have a bomb or rocket hard point), when the better models were far more famous and influential. Kharn /threadjack Katanas are neat, Claymores are cool, and I've always had a soft spot for the edged weapons of the Thirty Years' War, but I always figured if I wanted to do serious damage to someone geared up in full plate or the like polearms, maces and picks are where it's at; for slaughtering the skeevy unarmored peasantry though swords would work great. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 9:31:52 AM EST
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They're certainly not magic, but I imagine they'd leave a pretty nasty gash
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Posted: 4/10/2017 9:35:02 AM EST
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They were big, long and sharp. So, yeah, they'd hack off a limb or a head or pretty much gash the fuck out of someone dead. But, so would a big axe. Or a big hand/half swod. What Hollywood gets wrong is the endless parrying and sword-on-sword blows during real fights. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 10:00:49 AM EST
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Not just respect, but recognize nuance. it seems, and I've practice very little kendo, "cutting" is a huge complement of the Japanese sword arts, while in HEMA it's in a back room if present at all. It also seems much of the European styles favor an attacking cut that incorporates defense, while the Japanases style seems more purely offensive to me (this is potentially ignorant). This distinction can be seen between European styles even. Both good, but different. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 10:18:05 AM EST
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The notion that swords were worn and used only by the nobility is a complete and utter nonsense. Perhaps in 11th and 12th centuries that was somewhat true. But in 15th, 16th, 17th centuries, swords were carried by any free citizens. In fact, sword ownership was a must for a guild apprentice, journeyman and master. Possession of arms was a requirement for a citizen, as well as participation in town militia. Peasants wore swords as well, although not on the scale of the townsfolk. Jews and students wore and used swords, even though they were not full citizens. Sword masters were tradesmen overwhelmingly. If you are interested, you can read B. Ann Tlusty's "The Martial Ethic in Early Modern Germany: Civic Duty and the Right of Arms". Awesome book that will open your eyes to a lot of truth. She does make some mistakes in the book concerning Jews, but in general, she is great.
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