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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:16:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: could someone link me to this mag bag? sounds interesting and my google is giving me way too many options Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep if I'm walking out it's with 25 mags 1 in gun 2 on belt 6 on PC 6 on chest rig 10 in mag bag @dino https://esstac.com/the-mag-bag-300-10-mags/ |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:26:03 PM EST
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Out of curiosity, why a micro rig over an LBV?
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:32:14 PM EST
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wtf, they look like tactical fanny packs
 just grab a surplus ALICE belt w/harness for $40 and throw a mag pouch or two on it  |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:33:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Out of curiosity, why a micro rig over an LBV? The government is stupid and civilians are all over the place. That's the honest answer. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:36:24 PM EST
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Quoted: wtf, they look like tactical fanny packs just grab a surplus ALICE belt w/harness for $40 and throw a mag pouch or two on it https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/klUAAOSwqpVe28p0/s-l1600.jpg Champaign taste ?? |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:38:40 PM EST
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:39:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryA POS patches make me laugh. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:45:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryIf you've ever slammed your wang with a PMag doing a tac reload, go ahead and hit that subscribe button. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:54:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The government is stupid and civilians are all over the place. That's the honest answer. I can completely agree with that. Buuut, does that mean the gov won’t shoot at me if I have a micro rig but will if I have an LBV? I am just a country boy trying to understand your answer so I can be enlightened. I don’t want to be on the wrong side of the picket line. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:55:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A POS patches make me laugh. Quote HistoryQuoted: A POS patches make me laugh. No its A POS INNOCENT BYSTANDER. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:56:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No its A POS INNOCENT BYSTANDER. I know that makes it even better. Very nice. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:56:27 PM EST
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I think chest rigs are dumb when good plate carriers are widely available (AC1, LV119, Slickster, etc)
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Posted: 12/20/2023 10:58:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can completely agree with that. Buuut, does that mean the gov won’t shoot at me if I have a micro rig but will if I have an LBV? I am just a country boy trying to understand your answer so I can be enlightened. I don’t want to be on the wrong side of the picket line. Just run what you’re comfortable with, can afford and are willing to wear. Having the latest in tactical fashion will not make you a better warrior. Some people like all that shit on their front, some don’t. Remember, a lot of the recent equipment development has been geared towards mounted operation. That may or may not fit your needs. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:00:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JMHO, but I really like the grab and go over the shoulder mag bag for civilian Minuteman type SHTF scenarios. I have chest rigs too but they are not as a quick to put on as a mag bag. Esstac mag bag is best bag. 
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:05:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get what you are saying, but a micro chest rig with a few mags will fit under a coat discretely, it’s a lot better than stuffing mags in your pockets if you have to grab and go. That was just a back handed way of saying in a real world non professional use case, you probably need much more ammo than a micro rig provides. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:08:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was just a back handed way of saying in a real world non professional use case, you probably need much more ammo than a micro rig provides. And I think you'll want less and to be discreet. Guy alone with heavy armor and tons of ammo isn't going to last long. Unless in a static position. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:22:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And I think you'll want less and to be discreet. Guy alone with heavy armor and tons of ammo isn't going to last long. Unless in a static position. If you are alone and need to break contact, better hope you are in a best case scenario. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:27:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JMHO, but I really like the grab and go over the shoulder mag bag for civilian Minuteman type SHTF scenarios. I have chest rigs too but they are not as a quick to put on as a mag bag. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:28:20 PM EST
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I only have 2 rifle and 2 pistol reloads on my plate carrier.
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:31:14 PM EST
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Micro rigs will go extinct.
Combat limited to 72hr patrols is over. Near peer conflict will go back to full LBE and standard loads of way more than 7 mags. Micros are good for taking classes or high speed guys in plain clothes doing protection details. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:32:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are alone and need to break contact, better hope you are in a best case scenario. Doesn’t matter how much ammo/amor you have as a lone guy trying to break contact. You can’t cover fire and retreat simultaneously effectively. Unless you immediately break and run, you’re going to get flanked and wasted. Or simply overwhelmed. Staying around for a gunfight is death. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:37:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JMHO, but I really like the grab and go over the shoulder mag bag for civilian Minuteman type SHTF scenarios. I have chest rigs too but they are not as a quick to put on as a mag bag. I have a UW gear bandolier that is great. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:44:24 PM EST
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Quoted: There a bunch of micro rigs out now. Anyone have a favorite, and why? |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:46:05 PM EST
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If I need a chest rig, I need plates (in most situations I can imagine anyway). There are exceptions, but I don’t have the time or money to plan for them
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:51:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, we definitely want to mock and discourage Americans from owning the equipment to train to use a firearm as a viable infantry weapon. Total fudd mindset divorced from the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. You are correct. Shitting on those who buy the gear that’s actually relevant to the purpose of the 2A and then actually train with their shit is the equivalent of fudds in the 2000’s giving people shit for buying AR-15’s. |
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Posted: 12/20/2023 11:52:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Micro rigs will go extinct. Combat limited to 72hr patrols is over. Near peer conflict will go back to full LBE and standard loads of way more than 7 mags. Micros are good for taking classes or high speed guys in plain clothes doing protection details. No argument. But in a civilian context short of actual war, those are kind of the biggest two things you might need mags for. Either doing some learning, where micro rigs are great....or next time we get a Mostly Peaceful Summer and you want more than the usual CCW but also don't want to be spotted from a distance as "that dude has a bunch of shit on, I should investigate" from either a mob or the cops. I can throw a micro rig or a slick plate carrier like the grey ghost minimalist under a 2xl/3xl shirt and from a distance I look like just another fat badly dressed American, but my "protection detail" capability for my family is much improved from the usual handgun+a spare mag. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 12:00:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “The mission drives the gear train,” said a great man back in the day. I have several rigs set up for duty use and wear a Haley micro rig with expansion wings for search and rescue, chasing bodies at the border, LPOPs etc. It sucks wearing a backpack with armor and I’m not 18 anymore. If the chances of heat exhaustion outweigh the chances of getting shot, a chest rig is a solution. https://i.postimg.cc/4x0Jvw7J/116-C6290-6-E1-E-410-B-B006-6-E7-FC6-E650-B7.jpg Nice view. Looks like the view looking east from Montezuma Pass. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 12:02:46 AM EST
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I really like my First Spear First On minimalist plate carrier/mag pouch combo. They’re just a bit lacking in color options.
https://skdtac.com/firstspear-first-on-plate-carrier-with-radio-pouch/ |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 12:08:04 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryMag bag pron time.  
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Posted: 12/21/2023 12:38:04 AM EST
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For me, situation dictates load out. This is all covered in the gear forum, but I'll toss out my thoughts and philosophies.
Loaded battle belt for on the move, minimalist load out, a few mags, IFAK, holster, dump pouch and gloves. Not as important to me as a chest rig, but still has a place in the training routine.  Micro chest rig set up for your main rifle, with the minimal needed for your comfort level, be it 2 mags or 10 mags, whatever is your minimum. Also a pistol mag or two, light, IFAK, COMMs, and some empty pouch space for crap that needs to be stored later. SwiftClip compatibility so it can be attached to a plate carrier is also a consideration. This would be the first piece of gear that I'd purchase, it's more versatile than a belt or plate carrier and can be set up to compliment either. If I can only grab one piece of equipment, I'm grabbing my dedicated Micro with a FlatPack instead of a harness.  Plate carrier set up for your particular needs. Lots of good options out there, but I recommend something with SwiftClips. This is one of the simpler pieces to set up, a tourniquet and maybe a stand alone FlatPack or water bladder. This would be the second piece of the puzzle that I'd pick up, with plates it's also the heaviest but if you get a good carrier, it isn't all that uncomfortable. 
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Posted: 12/21/2023 12:47:15 AM EST
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Ive went in an oddball direction.
Full plate carrier, but instead of a battle belt, i have my holster, mags, medkit, etc on the cummerbund. All of the weight is evenly distributed and supported by my shoulders instead of hips. My pistol is high and easily accessible when seated or in a vehicle. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 1:52:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I need 3 mags and other associated gear then I need chest plates too. I look at it mainly from the view of how much time do I have to grab what I need. Something happens near the house, and I need to quickly grab something and see what I can do while waiting for police to respond to a 911 call (which took 45 minutes when a call was made from another house on my road, some years back)? Seems like something similar to a MOLLE bandolier, with a canteen and IFAK somehow added, would be nearly ideal. No messing with getting it strapped on - just grab and go with the bare minimum. Any other situation, I'd probably want to take more stuff than will fit on a micro rig. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:02:59 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I get what you are saying, but a micro chest rig with a few mags will fit under a coat discretely, it’s a lot better than stuffing mags in your pockets if you have to grab and go. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you need any chest rig, how big is your fire team and what does your logistic resupply look like? If it’s just training or to look cool for the gram anything will do? I get what you are saying, but a micro chest rig with a few mags will fit under a coat discretely, it’s a lot better than stuffing mags in your pockets if you have to grab and go. Grab and go, but discrete? Get some form of murse (that doesn't have the mags in openly visible pouches on the outside of it) that you can toss over your shoulder. People walking around with stuff strapped to their chest tend to stand out, even when it's smaller stuff strapped to their chest. Even more so when the weather doesn't justify a heavy coat. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:06:22 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey, I didn't know Dakota Meyers had an account here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you need any chest rig, how big is your fire team and what does your logistic resupply look like? If it’s just training or to look cool for the gram anything will do? Hey, I didn't know Dakota Meyers had an account here. 
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:28:56 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like mine also, they make solid gear to bad it’s ran and staffed by douche nozzles I’d never buy new from them Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I like soe micro rig. I've got a shotgun one and then one like it I made with 2-2mag pouches and a saw pouch on a hsgi molle chest rig in the same form. I like them for throwing on over armor if I have some but I can also drop the armor. They're also narrow enough I can carry a rucksack and I just keep my normal EDC stuff on my belt. I like mine also, they make solid gear to bad it’s ran and staffed by douche nozzles I’d never buy new from them This. Damn fine gear, from a douche bag that makes the customer feel inferior. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:30:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer a full sized plate carrier. I get the lighter thinking but it’s not for me. My primary rig for training classes / SHTF is a FirstSpear AAC with tubes that enable it to go on in about 2 seconds after I slipped it on. This is where I am at, Infantry Brother. Just used to FULL kit. Like my micro stuff too, but used to full LBT carrier. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:35:36 AM EST
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Posted: 12/21/2023 3:38:20 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be cool if you could take a left handed and right handed micro rig and combine them to make some sort of LBV. 8 mags (AR or AK), two utility pouches, hooked to either a butt pack/hydration carrier in the back. 'Murican Smersh rig. I had an Eagle SFLCS set up that way for a bit. It was neat but I ultimately shifted to Eagle V2 canteen pouches carrying four mags each. One pouch on each hip, admin/medical up front, canteens and a MAP on my back. It's hefty but I have 5L of water, 8+1 mags, and plenty of sustainment gear. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 4:12:08 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: could someone link me to this mag bag? sounds interesting and my google is giving me way too many options Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep if I'm walking out it's with 25 mags 1 in gun 2 on belt 6 on PC 6 on chest rig 10 in mag bag @Dino Esstac I believe it can also hold a 6 pack of carbonated beverages.. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 5:30:30 AM EST
[#40]
Honestly, for a lot of urban folks a laptop bag is probably just as good, and lower profile than a chest rig. Of course it all depends on your level of training and what your intentions are.
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Posted: 12/21/2023 5:55:38 AM EST
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A mag bag makes the most sense for grab n go.
In terms of wearable, the covert rig by Arktis that can be concealed (conceal getting in and out of a car not wear to the store conceal) under a open jacket, which makes more sense to me then a chest rig for a civilian SHTF. https://store.arktis.co.uk/products/m675-back-covert-elasticated-rig-black  Shows how well it hides under a jacket.  Arktis M675 Covert CROPS rig : Carbine reload demo 1 |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 6:00:03 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: JMHO, but I really like the grab and go over the shoulder mag bag for civilian Minuteman type SHTF scenarios. I have chest rigs too but they are not as a quick to put on as a mag bag. This. Plus my bag has trauma stuff too. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 6:04:14 AM EST
[#43]
I always look at these threads and think how far we've come. I remember back when I had to go over to the rigger shed and sew up a chest rig because there was no such thing.
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Posted: 12/21/2023 6:23:46 AM EST
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Quoted: There a bunch of micro rigs out now. Anyone have a favorite, and why? Covert? Overt? Mounted/mobile? Home defense? Patrolling the homestead? Long range movements on foot? With or without a plate carrier? With or without a battle belt setup? I have a few, mostly Spiritus and Haley Strategic. If I'm not going out to look for an extended gun fight, I think they have their place and are best suited as part of a "system". For home defense, it's just a battle belt by the bed with a naked plate carrier if the "bumps" are really loud. If I really need more ammo, a micro rig can quickly be attached. Outside of an all-out war environment in your neighborhood, cartel attack, or ATF/FBI visit, 120 to 150 rounds is more than enough to handle non-combat situations. I like a micro rig if I'm driving with it on, and most will integrate with a full-sized pack as well if that's your need. If not overloaded with bunch of add-on shit, they'll also conceal pretty well with a large jacket. Most are compatible with various plate carriers and integrate with a battle belt making them pretty versatile. Even with all the above shit, I still like a simple shoulder "bail-out" bag as they are faster to go from stored in your kit bag or on the truck seat to on body and moving. Also, I have a couple of larger chest rigs for the fantasies of doing long-range recce patrols where I need more ammo. Oh, and I have a couple of (excellent) Jay Jay's PLCE type patrolling rigs for doing patrols around the property and to stay fresh and practice my "field skills". Of course, you take a few classes, you can get buy with a rifle and spare mag in your back pocket   ROCK6 |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 6:27:02 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep if I'm walking out it's with 25 mags 1 in gun 2 on belt 6 on PC 6 on chest rig 10 in mag bag Damn, I got a hernia just reading that
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Posted: 12/21/2023 6:28:51 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly, a wheelbarrow is probably the most versatile method of transporting spare mags. So said "gunkid"  
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Posted: 12/21/2023 6:30:45 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m thinking the same - recommended minimalist plate carrier? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "micro rig" is not really that far from a "minimalist plate carrier" and the carrier offers some protection. I’m thinking the same - recommended minimalist plate carrier? I have one from Grey Ghost Gear that is outstanding. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 6:39:31 AM EST
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If a bump in the night, I'm not grabbing mags, I'm throwing the Ap5 on (hk 3 way) and grabbing a 1911 45 and a flash light. Run the 45 til it jams or ftf then toss it and switch to the Ap5.
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Posted: 12/21/2023 6:46:51 AM EST
[#49]
I have a Haley Micro rig. I like that I can wear it with only the straps, I can put it on my personal JPC 2.0 or my issued flak. It does the jobs I need I need it to.
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Posted: 12/21/2023 7:01:03 AM EST
[#50]
Quoted: Right and I have a full sized pistol and not a micro chest rig. As others mentioned, I'm either just going concealed carry a pistol or I'm going to be very overt. 20+1 of 9mm should be plenty normally. I can respect your thought process. I also think those at the two ends of the spectrum for defending oneself and I’ve personally seen some varieties in-between and have decided to prepare and train for those within those two ends of the spectrum. SHTF is going to be on a spectrum. It likely won’t be going from picking up a Little Caeser’s Pizza to direct action engagements on a squad of enemy threats. EDC around town is simply my CCW and spare magazine. If something happens, the threat posture will go up. I have a concealable 3A (pistol) slick plate carrier I can move to if my assessment warrants it. As long as there is some semblance of law-enforcement, overt anything is going to attract unwanted attention. If I’m out of town, I will have a “braced-pistol” in my truck, but if the SHTF environment still has LE/EMS running around, I want to keep that shit discreet but accessible. There are a variety of concealable rigs available and a purpose-built pack or sling bag can discreetly carry something more potent than your CCW. If I’m driving in the above conditions but the threat is escalating, a micro chest rig can be worn for immediate actions as needed from within the vehicle or if you have to bailout. There is going to have to be a complete disappearance of rule-of-law and law enforcement before I go overt, and I don’t think a CCW is going to be enough to bridge that gap for every scenario. I know my capabilities, fitness level with respect to my age, and I’m not going to be very effective with 20 loaded magazines. My guess is that a mechanical injury, heat stroke, heart attack, or hernia will likely cause more deaths than bullets once the SHTF goes kinetic. If you can carry 20+mags and train that way, do it until you can’t. When you can’t, you need to learn how to cache, break contact and E&E with the most mobility and speed you can muster. There’s vastly more to self-defense, tactics and survival than the number of bullets you have. ROCK6 |
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