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Posted: 12/12/2021 5:59:51 PM EST
[#1]
I used a shield/pistol in a house/bedroom many years ago. The choice to go in was made by the person threatening his elderly mother with a knife and a variety of nasty chemicals. Everyone survived the encounter. He was hit with the shield while standing in a bedroom with a knife in hand. He was pinned to the floor under the shield and disarmed. The chemicals were far more concerning than the knife. I think the shield saved that guy's life.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 6:01:45 PM EST
[#2]
I think I've watched this one before...
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Posted: 12/12/2021 6:06:23 PM EST
[#3]
My departments SWAT Team probably doesn't want then as they will get in the way of them looking at themselves in a mirror.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 6:10:08 PM EST
[#4]
These kind of shields count?
5:15  Collateral (2004) Fever Club Scene || "Shadow of the Sun"+ "Ready Steady Go" |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 6:36:12 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same energy hitting the shield that the rifle shooter is experiencing. Physics... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how good a guy could hold one of someone is blasting semi auto into it with a rifle. Same energy hitting the shield that the rifle shooter is experiencing. Physics... Momentum and impulse would be the physics part. There will be leverage from the impact location to where the shield is supported. I'm wondering if it gets shot fast enough if the guy holding won't be able to keep it in front of him You see how those plates get knocked around when they're shot in the tests, same deal. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 7:14:52 PM EST
[#6]
I wish they weren't so damn expensive. A IIIA shield seems to cost about 3-4 times a concealable IIIA vest.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 7:53:37 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish they weren't so damn expensive. A IIIA shield seems to cost about 3-4 times a concealable IIIA vest. Botach has 3A for $250. What would be cool is a pistol mounted to the front of the shield with a trigger actuator on the inside grip. Have a laser on the pistol and you'd never have to leave cover, just look through the view window. That would be sweet for home defense at 2am. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:18:57 PM EST
[#8]
Would like one of these in lvl iii+ steel.
 Might be a bitch to throw at 40 lbs though 
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:21:19 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah shields are lame, someone needs to make level 3+ arm bracers though. Wonder Woman! |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:23:27 PM EST
[#10]
This is just a thought - but perhaps why most do not like shields. You wear a vest when there is a chance you will be shot at and a small chance you will be hit. You would deploy a shield when you fucking know pretty much know that you will be shot at and hit. There is a very different reality that you are forced to accept if the action is requiring a shield.
That said, in a odd way, shields are pretty bad ass. One step further into - We ARE Spartans. If you try to block out the sun with arrows, we will fight in the shade. - of course we really need to get the tech up to the task. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:27:43 PM EST
[#11]
I've thought about it. Clearing your home without a team kinda sucks. I can see applications when you aren't waking around with your armor.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:31:08 PM EST
[#12]
YOU DON'T HAVE ONE???
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Posted: 12/13/2021 1:04:03 AM EST
[#13]
after watching that russian video, it would seem like a flamethrower would be more effective. Im suprised they arent using them.
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Posted: 12/13/2021 1:09:57 AM EST
[#14]
How much?
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Posted: 12/13/2021 1:11:29 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All I know about shields is that you're a bitch if you run one as your loadout in Call of Duty. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 1:17:09 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My departments SWAT Team probably doesn't want then as they will get in the way of them looking at themselves in a mirror. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 1:18:08 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know, but they are going to get their legs peppered for sure! |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 1:44:19 AM EST
[#18]
I have one, made it myself. 3/16 plate steel rolled into an acceptable bend. Layered many times over with fiberglass and kevlar layup scraps. I was building my own custom WW kayak playboat at the time, was justing using leftover cut offs and epoxy.
No clue as to its effectiveness or rating, but in my estimation, it's a little something that might give me a few seconds of advantage. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 2:09:42 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, I want one of these in 3+ now: https://i.imgur.com/r9xMBOg.png https://i.imgur.com/GD6r9sy.gif I'm good with my cuirass |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 8:20:22 AM EST
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Posted: 12/13/2021 8:44:28 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Would like one of these in lvl iii+ steel. https://gta5mod.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/34110e-167mnlx1.jpg Might be a bitch to throw at 40 lbs though @Luckystrike CHRIS |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 10:04:11 AM EST
[#22]
I have used them, they are of limited use and for specific reasons. They are heavy and immediately dropped when no longer needed. It's not something you would ever need unless you performed a specific task.
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Posted: 12/13/2021 1:53:15 PM EST
[#23]
Quoted: All I know about shields is that you're a bitch if you run one as your loadout in Call of Duty. Quoted: I am one of those people who like to use them in Call of Duty Got a thermite for that ass!!! 
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Posted: 12/13/2021 1:57:53 PM EST
[#24]
 Yea I'm in where do I order one? |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 2:01:29 PM EST
[#25]
Modern lightweight level III shields might be the most underrated defensive item on the planet.
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Posted: 12/13/2021 2:12:49 PM EST
[#26]
i got one a few years ago that was being tossed in the garbage by a local team. it's lvl3 for pistol rounds only and weighs damn near 40lbs.
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Posted: 12/13/2021 2:20:27 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i got one a few years ago that was being tossed in the garbage by a local team. it's lvl3 for pistol rounds only and weighs damn near 40lbs. Did you test it? That should be good for some rifle. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 2:27:45 PM EST
[#28]
I wonder what a modern 45/70 round would do to that little window in it.
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Posted: 12/13/2021 2:28:49 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's a video of Russian SOBR training with a shield. The amount of unaimed fire they put down the corridor is staggering. Note Lvl 3A shin guards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIkHCJr-uAw What's the subgun/machine pistol at 0:41-0:48? |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 2:34:34 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the subgun/machine pistol at 0:41-0:48? Veresk submachine gun: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-2_Veresk |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 2:37:52 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's a video of Russian SOBR training with a shield. The amount of unaimed fire they put down the corridor is staggering. Note Lvl 3A shin guards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIkHCJr-uAw Seems like they'd have to be damned certain there were no threats behind them. Can't move quickly at all from the looks of it. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 3:14:28 PM EST
[#32]
This brings an interesting question. There's a jewelry storefront being demoed, glazed with a glass-laminated polycarbonate, 1" thick. Maybe I'll cut a 12"x24" piece, make my own "shield". I searched for some info, looks like this thickness is equivalent to lvl 3A resistance and weighs 6.4 lb/sq.ft. Just have to figure a way to cut it... Any suggestions?
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Posted: 12/13/2021 3:22:42 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This brings an interesting question. There's a jewelry storefront being demoed, glazed with a glass-laminated polycarbonate, 1" thick. Maybe I'll cut a 12"x24" piece, make my own "shield". I searched for some info, looks like this thickness is equivalent to lvl 3A resistance and weighs 6.4 lb/sq.ft. Just have to figure a way to cut it... Any suggestions? |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 3:25:43 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, I want one of these in 3+ now: https://i.imgur.com/r9xMBOg.png https://i.imgur.com/GD6r9sy.gif I could make out of 3/8 AR500. 
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:09:14 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This brings an interesting question. There's a jewelry storefront being demoed, glazed with a glass-laminated polycarbonate, 1" thick. Maybe I'll cut a 12"x24" piece, make my own "shield". I searched for some info, looks like this thickness is equivalent to lvl 3A resistance and weighs 6.4 lb/sq.ft. Just have to figure a way to cut it... Any suggestions? Score it and use some lighter fluid. That's the only easy way I've ever cut laminated glass. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:18:42 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Score it and use some lighter fluid. That's the only easy way I've ever cut laminated glass. I was going to use a grinder with a diamond blade. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:20:56 PM EST
[#37]
Ill take one for the boogie
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:25:03 PM EST
[#38]
ummm do they come in XXL
asking for a friend |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:29:46 PM EST
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:32:42 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have some limited applications. We carried two within the team, or one in a four-man. They were only rated magnum handgun though. Anything that can withstand more is just too heavy to be manouverable. There's new ones out there that are rifle rated that are actually lighter than the old pistol caliber rated ones. They aren't as big, which in my opinion is more of a benefit. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:35:01 PM EST
[#41]
I dunno, maybe in some situations?
Otherwise it is analogous to Stand and Deliver vs Shoot on the Move. Shield are slow cumbersome and do not promote good shoots, while also leaving @ 30% of your body exposed. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:36:42 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My departments SWAT Team probably doesn't want then as they will get in the way of them looking at themselves in a mirror. That's why the mirror goes in the back. Not only can you constantly check your hair, but you also get a good look at dem gainz! 
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:38:57 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was going to use a grinder with a diamond blade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Score it and use some lighter fluid. That's the only easy way I've ever cut laminated glass. I was going to use a grinder with a diamond blade. Well - that would sure work too. I just take the easy way but I've also not had to cut laminate that thick.  How To: Cut Laminated Glass |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:39:14 PM EST
[#44]
One of the people with the arfcom group at lobby day had one. It looked really heavy.
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Posted: 12/13/2021 4:57:04 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the people with the arfcom group at lobby day had one. It looked really heavy. I've done some CQB training with one. You get winded FAST if you're not in extremely good shape. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 5:08:01 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would rather be able to have these: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240/B3016D47-0E58-4C85-BDB4-B2117F88129B_jpe-2202699.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240/08C45DA7-6516-4FE5-8C60-CD82F71D5B1F_jpe-2202701.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240/D3BA1D4F-4A21-4A10-B86A-C56F8D56B001_jpe-2202705.JPG  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 5:16:56 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i just aim for their feet and kneecaps, maybe a wiener shot too The way they're angling it, you probably just need center of mass on the shield. Ricochets and fragments might do the job for you lol. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 10:32:08 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Modern lightweight level III shields might be the most underrated defensive item on the planet. This. Dramatically so. After Dallas, and a few rifle-related calls of my own, I wanted something capable of stopping 5.56 reliably. Lvl 4 is stupid for US LE to worry about, IMO, given the fragility and weight. And IIIA shields are a giant fucking waste of time and money, because odds are that if shit hit the fan, it brought an AR15 with it. I wound up going to a manufacturer myself, playing with their different models, and settling on having them make me a semi-custom small lvl III shield out of PE. Total weight is somewhere between 10-15 pounds, but then I went out and added a sling onto it, so I can just dump it off to the side and go hands free. It won't protect the legs, but it does cover basically my entire torso, and I can rest a carbine and shoot off of the top of it. IMO, the overwhelming majority of shields on the market are stupidly designed, and as a result never get used or else just suck for their purpose. I've dragged the lvl 4 shield that feels like you're lugging around a bookcase in front of you, going up and down stairs during a hot call, and they suck. Soft shields suck. Alllllll shields suck equally if you're using a handgun with them. Malfunctions become commonplace. Who knows...I'd love to take a good shield course. The one my agency offered was partially retarded, and I've never seen anything since..nor do I see them getting used very often. My first agency only gave them to supervisors, and my second agency issued them out but didn't give any training. YMMV... |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 10:55:47 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Botach has 3A for $250. What would be cool is a pistol mounted to the front of the shield with a trigger actuator on the inside grip. Have a laser on the pistol and you'd never have to leave cover, just look through the view window. That would be sweet for home defense at 2am. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wish they weren't so damn expensive. A IIIA shield seems to cost about 3-4 times a concealable IIIA vest. Botach has 3A for $250. What would be cool is a pistol mounted to the front of the shield with a trigger actuator on the inside grip. Have a laser on the pistol and you'd never have to leave cover, just look through the view window. That would be sweet for home defense at 2am. Seems like a small gun port, just big enough for the end of a handgun with a mounted laser and offset where your right hand would be, would be an easier and better option.  Also, note to self, if I ever decide to become a Russian mob boss I'll have a corridor with flamethrowers in the ceiling. Shields aren't much good when you get napalmed from above.  
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Posted: 12/13/2021 10:58:04 PM EST
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