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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:44:57 AM EDT
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Just build the wall and have Mexico pay for the majority of it. 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:45:32 AM EDT
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No. The wall is more symbolic than effective, and DACA + chain migration is what Dem's are counting on for future voters as more people leave their shitty party. Better solution is to have actual merit based immigration policy that is rigorously enforced. Alternatively - if you're set on a wall, negotiate DACA amnesty with the condition that chain migration is abolished entirely in exchange for the wall. Make the dems live up to their rhetoric on "dreamers" while you have your cake and eat it too A wall on the other hand takes much of the border security out of the hands of our corrupt federal bureaucracy. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:46:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously? We have no security on our southern border. Millions of people smuggle themselves, drugs, guns and other shit across the border. They are creating a huge drain on our economy; through overloaded schools, emergency rooms, social services, and so on. In addition, they send billions a year out of the country to their relatives. Imagine what that money could do for our economy. Pretty much every other country in the world has control over it's borders, including Mexico- they have a wall on their southern border. The majority of illegal immigrants don't assimilate at all, they stay in their own neighborhoods, and we help them stay a drain on our society by sending state employees out to explain to them how to maximize their welfare benefits. The position is called "Welfare Outreach Specialist" by the way. So hell yes, we need to regain control over our southern border. Wall, ok fine. Hundred yard minefield with machine gun towers, ok fine. Laser beams along the border, step into one and die, fine. But by whatever means, we need to control our border and control our immigrants to control our future. 1911fan |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:47:35 AM EDT
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Send the fuckers back!
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:50:28 AM EDT
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Fuck that! You can't make a deal with the devil. They are going to fuck us for sure. MSNBC folks are already saying there will never be a wall built and that was never really on the table.
We president now. 1) You have to go back 2) Big beautiful wall 3) Profit |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:50:51 AM EDT
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The problem with a merit based policy is you have to trust the Federal Government to enforce it, if history is any teacher you simply can’t. A wall on the other hand takes much of the border security out of the hands of our corrupt federal bureaucracy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. The wall is more symbolic than effective, and DACA + chain migration is what Dem's are counting on for future voters as more people leave their shitty party. Better solution is to have actual merit based immigration policy that is rigorously enforced. Alternatively - if you're set on a wall, negotiate DACA amnesty with the condition that chain migration is abolished entirely in exchange for the wall. Make the dems live up to their rhetoric on "dreamers" while you have your cake and eat it too A wall on the other hand takes much of the border security out of the hands of our corrupt federal bureaucracy. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:51:58 AM EDT
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They can help build the wall...
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:53:28 AM EDT
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Comprehensive immigration reform and wall funding for DACA
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:54:23 AM EDT
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No, but that’s what’s going to push border security over the finish line.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:55:36 AM EDT
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Wew this thread is full of soy boys.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 11:58:07 AM EDT
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Send all of them home. Parents go with them. Build the wall.
Make it untenable for illegals to stay so they self-deport. 30-50 million illegals (Democrat voters) gone soon. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:02:21 PM EDT
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Limited DACA deal for the wall. The actual “dreamers” can stay, but they must go through the nationalization process within a limited timeframe. Families of “dreamer” must return to their own country and apply for legal status.... and build the big wall. We need to separate the true Dreamers from the freeloading DayDreamers. I say that if they have joined the military and serve honorably then they have demonstrated a commitment and should be allowed to stay. If they went to college and have a job and are paying their taxes then they have demonstrated that they understand the Dream of working hard to get a better life. If they are unemployed dropouts or convicted felons then they should go IMMEDIATELY. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:10:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat’s so funny. Fox thinks we want a check. No, there’s many ways we can “make” Mexico pay for it, all indirect. 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:15:24 PM EDT
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DACAs get permanent non citizen resident status if they work for two years on building the wall or they get deported.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:17:15 PM EDT
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No deals
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:25:41 PM EDT
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Wall first.
Then maybe DACA for those who were brought here so young they don't really remember being anywhere else, speak fluent English, and are assimilated into our culture. The parent(s) who brought them here will have to pay a large tax for bringing them here before being deported. If they can't afford it, they can work it off helping to build the wall. Once the wall is up, no more DACA. And while we're at it, pass an amendment clarifying that if you're born here to non-citizen parents, you don't automatically get citizenship. That was always the intent. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:30:38 PM EDT
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Limited DACA deal for the wall. The actual “dreamers” can stay, but they must go through the nationalization process within a limited timeframe. Families of “dreamer” must return to their own country and apply for legal status.... and build the big wall. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:32:14 PM EDT
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The DACA provisions I would agree to would include some pretty rigid testing of the applicants. Yes, all 800,000. If there is no mechanism to test them, or they refuse, they get booted. The Dems bloated the ever loving shit out of the Dept of Education, so let's see what they can come up with...
Fluent in reading and writing English. Must have a steady job. Can pass the naturalization exam. Are not currently on state benefits, or have not been on state benefits for the last three consecutive months. Are not felons, or with pending felony charges. Don't like it? Tough. We'll fund the wall, build it, AND deport the 800,000. Adios! |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:33:14 PM EDT
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No DACA deal for the wall. Boot them the fuck out.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:39:27 PM EDT
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What about this: Illegals receive one time amnesty , but they are taxed to fund the wall.
That, of course, assumes that they are paying taxes... 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:40:42 PM EDT
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I don't support DACA but would concede it if we end chain migration, lotteries and start building an effective Wall.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:40:53 PM EDT
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Yes. Let them stay to build the wall. If we had a super-majority in Congress I'd say fuck 'em. But we don't. And the wall needs to go up NOW. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:46:21 PM EDT
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A deal will legalize nearly a million illegals in return for a few miles of barrier.
Given the fact that the Secretary of Homeland Security isn't in favor of a barrier, those few miles of barrier will probably be located where it will be least effective. It's a scam. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And while we're at it, pass an amendment clarifying that if you're born here to non-citizen parents, you don't automatically get citizenship. That was always the intent. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:50:59 PM EDT
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Build two walls and send all those fuckers back. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:55:11 PM EDT
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No I never heard during the campaign that we had to grant amnesty to a few million people in order to build the wall |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:55:43 PM EDT
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Wall. Send them back, they don't have squatters rights. I don't give a rat's ass that many of them spent time growing up here. Many can't speak English, most don't want to assimilate, and very few are literate or literate in English. The argument that they're valedictorians and doctors/engineers/skilled artisans is laughable. If they actually had any of those skills in any numbers to matter - Mexico and other Hispanic countries would be asking to have them sent back to improve their mother countries. Their mother countries don't want them back - and there's no reason on earth why that means that WE are obligated to take them. And we're damned sure in no way obligated to enable them to bring in anyone/everyone they share a DNA string with to start siphoning welfare and SSI from Americans who paid into the system and into the wallets of incoming retirees and medical basket cases needing to deprive us of the benefits. You make sure American veterans are ALL given access to housing, medical care and able to earn the ability to feed themselves by their own labor, and cared for/about with the dignity they earned, and we can START to discuss letting some of the actually skilled DACA to apply. Until then, lets discuss what they owe us for the social benefits they absorbed from us under false pretenses by breaking our laws and lowering OUR standard of living. 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:01:43 PM EDT
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Too many Republicans support granting DACA people amnesty. So, might as well make a deal. DACA amnesty for the Wall, Chain migration repeal, Diversity visa repeal, and added immigration agents and technology to enhance illegal/out of status alien detection, arrest, and removal or incarceration. Then work on repealing birth right US citizenship to children born in the US of illegal/out of status/or visiting aliens.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:04:53 PM EDT
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A deal will legalize nearly a million illegals in return for a few miles of barrier. Given the fact that the Secretary of Homeland Security isn't in favor of a barrier, those few miles of barrier will probably be located where it will be least effective. It's a scam. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:06:35 PM EDT
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Build the wall with Mexico’s money. Just like we were told. 
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:08:07 PM EDT
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No, why do we need to make a deal on it anyways?
They have to go back. We need a wall. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:15:31 PM EDT
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No I never heard during the campaign that we had to grant amnesty to a few million people in order to build the wall Wall first i say, if you have committed a felony you get no path you go back no matter what. The rest pay a substantial fine if they want to stay, are eligible to receive no government assistance for x years and start paying taxes |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:21:30 PM EDT
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I normally do not post things, but on this one, I have to....
I am a supporter and swore to uphold and defend that Constitution of the United States. I am conservative on the majority of political things. That said.... I know of 3 men, ages 27, 22 and 17 that their parents brought here illegally 16 years ago. They all speak and understand English fluently. They do not know Mexico as their home and do not even know of relatives there. The 27 year old got all the certifications for become a personal trainer and works very successfully at a very nice gym doing that full time. The 22 year old is a certified electrician and is presently enlisting in the U.S. Navy. The 17 year old has become a U.S. Citizen because his mother who originally came here illegally did what was required to get her U.S. Citizenship. That according to U.S. law allowed him citizenship. edit/ They all are conservative in their values and do not like the democratic party. They even point out to U.S. Citizens that the U.S. is a Republic and not a Democracy. /edit These are the ones I have no issue with being here, but what the hell do I know. Now I want a wall built and I want people to do the right thing, but hell people that are U.S. Citizens won't even obey simple traffic laws. So remember when you point at someone there are 3 fingers pointed back at yourself. Another way of saying it... Remove the log in your eye before trying to remove the splinter in someone else's. People in glass houses should not throw stones. Guess as I am getting old, I am seeing / analyzing life with more information and that makes things change. I am not saying I am right, but it is my opinion and I am entitled to it as much as the you are to yours. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:21:51 PM EDT
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I have no clue what the right thing to do is. They are here and we allowed them in to be here. I don't think it is morally right to say, party's over pal, you have to leave.
If we are going to have immigration laws, we should either live to them or change them. Not ignore them which seems to have been the policy in years past. Personally I think anyone who has been here for some extended period of time - 5 years, 10 years, should be granted citizenship if they so desire. There is no reason they can't be productive members of society and they may just as well be citizens. I don't know what to do with freeloaders - citizens or otherwise. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 1:54:43 PM EDT
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A deal will legalize nearly a million illegals in return for a few miles of barrier. Given the fact that the Secretary of Homeland Security isn't in favor of a barrier, those few miles of barrier will probably be located where it will be least effective. It's a scam. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:06:27 PM EDT
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If the 'deal' doesn't mean a wall that stretches from San Diego, CA to Brownsville, TX it's not a deal, it's an ass-fucking. *Of course I have no idea if those reports are true. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:08:21 PM EDT
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I'm not convinced we need a physical 'wall'. Any structure built will be expensive and relatively easy to defeat by anyone who wants to.
We do need border security. If that's dual fenced with regular and irregular patrols and electronics, so be it. Fund it and lets get moving. We need to be able to send illegals back to where they came from, especially if they have been arrested and convicted of any kind of felony. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:08:46 PM EDT
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Yes. Let them stay to build the wall. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:29:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to news reports*, the administration is seeking to build 300 miles of new barrier over the next ten years. In addition it is seeking to rebuild or reinforce some existing fence. *Of course I have no idea if those reports are true. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 2:46:55 PM EDT
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my parents aren't foreign invaders, so what do I get, besides fucked as a taxpayer.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:32:29 PM EDT
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Leaked Memo Proves Democrats Want Blanket Amnesty, See Illegals as a Voting Bloc
 Leaked Memo Proves Democrats Want Blanket Amnesty, See Illegals as a Voting Bloc |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 3:56:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted:
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Just build the wall and have Mexico pay for the majority of it.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZKrn7Bbl8If they don't want to pay the tax, then tell them good luck getting their goods to Canada - they're going to have to rent a bunch of boats & go around... |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:00:03 PM EDT
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Man this thread is from another planet. Just because Trump "be president now" doesn't mean he can just snap his fingers and build the wall. If they start tomorrow it won't be done before his term is over much less before the midterms. He's extremely unpopular and thus has no political capital to spend on a wall that two thirds of the country is going cry racist over.
He couldn't even get a temporary travel ban on terrorist countries put in place without getting slapped down, what makes you think he'll be able to spend tens of billions on a wall over the decade or more it will take to build the wall? Seriously, some people here have lost all touch with reality. You think that since Trump got elected that he can do whatever he wants and that all is right in the world. A huge, HUGE number of people are frothing at the mouth mad about him, they make Bush derangement syndrome look like a cordial tea party. I'm glad that he got elected vs Hillary but I'm scared at how united virtually all the culture, the media and the internet have become against him. He's in danger of becoming a lame duck before his first midterm because no one in DC wants to work with him. He can sit in the oval office and tweet all day (I wish he wouldn't) but he'll never get anything meaningful accomplished without political capital, and he'll never get any unless he stops tweeting stupid stuff and driving away the people he has to work with to get anything done. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:03:28 PM EDT
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Man this thread is from another planet. Just because Trump "be president now" doesn't mean he can just snap his fingers and build the wall. If they start tomorrow it won't be done before his term is over much less before the midterms. He's extremely unpopular and thus has no political capital to spend on a wall that two thirds of the country is going cry racist over. He couldn't even get a temporary travel ban on terrorist countries put in place without getting slapped down, what makes you think he'll be able to spend tens of billions on a wall over the decade or more it will take to build the wall? Seriously, some people here have lost all touch with reality. You think that since Trump got elected that he can do whatever he wants and that all is right in the world. A huge, HUGE number of people are frothing at the mouth mad about him, they make Bush derangement syndrome look like a cordial tea party. I'm glad that he got elected vs Hillary but I'm scared at how united virtually all the culture, the media and the internet have become against him. He's in danger of becoming a lame duck before his first midterm because no one in DC wants to work with him. He can sit in the oval office and tweet all day (I wish he wouldn't) but he'll never get anything meaningful accomplished without political capital, and he'll never get any unless he stops tweeting stupid stuff and driving away the people he has to work with to get anything done. Congress has to fund it, and the only way democrats will even consider it is if we deal with the Dreamers. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:06:03 PM EDT
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DACA isn't the problem. Continued illegal immigration and chain migration is the problem. I don't give a crap about immigrants from where every so long as the flow is controlled.
Border security is a more important issue. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:06:38 PM EDT
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SPOILER ALERT: The DACA people aren't going anywhere.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:08:59 PM EDT
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I would be fine with trading DACA amnesty for a fully funded and built wall.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:14:15 PM EDT
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2024. Madame President Oprah. 2027: reelection campaigning after a briefly popular but lacklustre term.
How better for America's first black female executive to reignite the pioneer spirit than take a leaf from history and step beyond borders? Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:19:04 PM EDT
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I'm not convinced we need a physical 'wall'. Any structure built will be expensive and relatively easy to defeat by anyone who wants to. We do need border security. If that's dual fenced with regular and irregular patrols and electronics, so be it. Fund it and lets get moving. We need to be able to send illegals back to where they came from, especially if they have been arrested and convicted of any kind of felony. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 4:19:17 PM EDT
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Green cards with no citizenship
for 20yrs. |
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