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Posted: 4/14/2022 11:31:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't care for the sound of most V10s, but I love the Viper sound. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I will never forgive dodge for not making the viper a v-12. Stupid v10 sounds like a ups truck. V10s inherently sound badass. The only issue one could have with a viper V10 sound wise is they just don't rev enough to really give you that V10 awesomeness. I don't care for the sound of most V10s, but I love the Viper sound. Alrighty then, that makes perfect sense.  A higher revving V10 almost sounds like an F1 engine. The BMW and Audi/Lamborghini V10 sound amazing. I'm more of an i6/v8 kind of guy but I recognize a great sounding engine when I hear it.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 11:42:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure why he took a hard right... Its called rear end snap hook, and happens when you turn off traction control since the suspension is set up to keep the car level, and as the back tires break free, rear end spinning tires will start to wheel hop, and on the downward pressures of the hop, one wheel will grab and snap the back end around. On the C6 vets, the snap hook will be with the back end going right, while on the C7's, will be with the back end snap hooking to the left instead. And again, sway bars to keep the car flat, suspension on the tight side for corning as well, and when the car snap hooks, the body does not plow to one side to slow the snap hook down, so the back end just snap hooks around you if you don't know how to control the amount of power from the car to keep the back end hooked (keep the back end tires from breaking loose in the first place). And as note on expensive sports cars, those that own them, only about 8% of them have the talent to even push the car even close to it limits (both on a close course high speed road course, or just in a straight line with the TC turned off). So in regards to this lad that crashed out in the viper, over his head in the first place, and should have not turned off TC/rest of the nannies from the start. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 11:55:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its called rear end snap hook, and happens when you turn off traction control since the suspension is set up to keep the car level, and as the back tires break free, rear end spinning tires will start to wheel hop, and on the downward pressures of the hop, one wheel will grab and snap the back end around. On the C6 vets, the snap hook will be with the back end going right, while on the C7's, will be with the back end snap hooking to the left instead. And again, sway bars to keep the car flat, suspension on the tight side for corning as well, and when the car snap hooks, the body does not plow to one side to slow the snap hook down, so the back end just snap hooks around you if you don't know how to control the amount of power from the car to keep the back end hooked (keep the back end tires from breaking loose in the first place). And as note on expensive sports cars, those that own them, only about 8% of them have the talent to even push the car even close to it limits (both on a close course high speed road course, or just in a straight line with the TC turned off). So in regards to this lad that crashed out in the viper, over his head in the first place, and should have not turned off TC/rest of the nannies from the start. I have a Gen 2 Viper GTS. There is no traction control on them. Nothing. Engine, transmission, rear end. Thats it. A little known issue with Gen 1 and 2 Vipers was the shifter is hot garbage. It is the only standard shift vehicle I have ever driven that I have to actually be aware of when I am shifting. As in I have to actually be careful shifting. It is very, very easy to go 3rd to 2nd in an early Viper. My guess? He hammered it, threw it in second, was in a slight turn and punched it, lost traction and went right. I have pushed my car on occasions and abide by a couple of key Viper rules. 1) Don't run old tires. Period. 2) Have the front wheels pointed the same direction as the rear wheels when you hit the gas. 3) Don't push them at all under 40 degrees. Tire compounds don't like that very much. In the end, Vipers are easy cars to drive if you just abide by the above rules. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 12:13:35 AM EDT
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I spend about 200miles per year in a 99 G2 Viper(buddys car).
I also spend a lot of time each year in my own 600hp+ car as well as tuning on some 450hp cars.... G2 Vipers will actually hooked very well if you have a slight idea of what you are doing. The guys that talk about Viper being unpredictable are on cold tires/old tires/ have never driven a car that makes torque at low RPM. If you know how to drive em...those cars will hook as hard as anything else. You can't just step off the clutch like other more pedestrian cars. Vipers will bite and GO, if you know what you are doing. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 12:23:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guys that talk about Viper being unpredictable are on cold tires/old tires/ have never driven a car that makes torque at low RPM. Quote HistoryQuoted: The guys that talk about Viper being unpredictable are on cold tires/old tires/ have never driven a car that makes torque at low RPM. Quoted for accuracy  Any gen of viper is one of those cars that you should just keep fresh tires on regardless. It’s more of track car than street car to begin with. Quoted: These things have ABS and that's about it. None of that horsepower robbing stability control bullshit! The early ones didn’t. They came with ABS starting on my01 |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 6:41:08 AM EDT
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Basically it was a Paul Walker race but without the Paul Walker crispy toast.
As a side note why is there a missing hood on the rice car? Is this to prevent overheating or just for show? I assume removing the hood would not be good for aerodynamics. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 7:47:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically it was a Paul Walker race but without the Paul Walker crispy toast. As a side note why is there a missing hood on the rice car? Is this to prevent overheating or just for show? I assume removing the hood would not be good for aerodynamics. You don't need to worry about aerodynamics when you have JDM 4 cylinder fury. Vtec will overcome any drag/resistance and propel feeble wheel drive econoboxes to land speed record breaking territory. When vtec kicks in... 
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Posted: 4/15/2022 7:51:43 AM EDT
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Acura integra hit the flashers
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Posted: 4/15/2022 9:16:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its called rear end snap hook, and happens when you turn off traction control since the suspension is set up to keep the car level, and as the back tires break free, rear end spinning tires will start to wheel hop, and on the downward pressures of the hop, one wheel will grab and snap the back end around. On the C6 vets, the snap hook will be with the back end going right, while on the C7's, will be with the back end snap hooking to the left instead. And again, sway bars to keep the car flat, suspension on the tight side for corning as well, and when the car snap hooks, the body does not plow to one side to slow the snap hook down, so the back end just snap hooks around you if you don't know how to control the amount of power from the car to keep the back end hooked (keep the back end tires from breaking loose in the first place). And as note on expensive sports cars, those that own them, only about 8% of them have the talent to even push the car even close to it limits (both on a close course high speed road course, or just in a straight line with the TC turned off). So in regards to this lad that crashed out in the viper, over his head in the first place, and should have not turned off TC/rest of the nannies from the start. Tell me you don't know anything about a Gen II Viper without telling me you don't know anything about a Gen II Viper.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 11:08:07 AM EDT
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What a sad end to a very awesome car.
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Posted: 4/15/2022 11:20:13 AM EDT
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Stupid games, stupid prizes -- we have a winner!
What a moron to take such a "no upside" race -- if you lose, you're humiliated by a clapped out ricer. If you win, you only beat a clapped out ricer and that's nothing to be proud of. And that's beyond the fact that you are a total moron for street racing in the first place. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 11:26:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine losing a race to a piece of shit four cylinder with no hood, and wrecking your Viper too. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 11:26:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its called rear end snap hook, and happens when you turn off traction control since the suspension is set up to keep the car level, and as the back tires break free, rear end spinning tires will start to wheel hop, and on the downward pressures of the hop, one wheel will grab and snap the back end around. On the C6 vets, the snap hook will be with the back end going right, while on the C7's, will be with the back end snap hooking to the left instead. And again, sway bars to keep the car flat, suspension on the tight side for corning as well, and when the car snap hooks, the body does not plow to one side to slow the snap hook down, so the back end just snap hooks around you if you don't know how to control the amount of power from the car to keep the back end hooked (keep the back end tires from breaking loose in the first place). And as note on expensive sports cars, those that own them, only about 8% of them have the talent to even push the car even close to it limits (both on a close course high speed road course, or just in a straight line with the TC turned off). So in regards to this lad that crashed out in the viper, over his head in the first place, and should have not turned off TC/rest of the nannies from the start. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not sure why he took a hard right... Its called rear end snap hook, and happens when you turn off traction control since the suspension is set up to keep the car level, and as the back tires break free, rear end spinning tires will start to wheel hop, and on the downward pressures of the hop, one wheel will grab and snap the back end around. On the C6 vets, the snap hook will be with the back end going right, while on the C7's, will be with the back end snap hooking to the left instead. And again, sway bars to keep the car flat, suspension on the tight side for corning as well, and when the car snap hooks, the body does not plow to one side to slow the snap hook down, so the back end just snap hooks around you if you don't know how to control the amount of power from the car to keep the back end hooked (keep the back end tires from breaking loose in the first place). And as note on expensive sports cars, those that own them, only about 8% of them have the talent to even push the car even close to it limits (both on a close course high speed road course, or just in a straight line with the TC turned off). So in regards to this lad that crashed out in the viper, over his head in the first place, and should have not turned off TC/rest of the nannies from the start. lol |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 11:49:06 AM EDT
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Hubris. The downfall of many.
In this case, that was really dumb. I wondered if he borrowed that car because how do you do something that stupid like all he had to do was drive straight. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 12:48:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hubris. The downfall of many. In this case, that was really dumb. I wondered if he borrowed that car because how do you do something that stupid like all he had to do was drive straight. You’ve clearly never driven a Viper. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 12:55:28 PM EDT
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The Viper Days racing school was started by a guy whose friend lost control of a Gen1 RT, slid it sideways into a curb and it flipped over and killed him. I've owned both a Gen2 ACR and a Gen4 ACR and it's a car that demands respect. Sad to see another Gen1 headed to the scrap heap, but at least he walked away.
Mine:  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 12:56:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 1:03:16 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Viper was well ahead when it cut right and had it's sudden stop moment... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Imagine losing a race to a piece of shit four cylinder with no hood, and wrecking your Viper too. Was being the key word. Have to finish to win. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 1:05:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2022 1:31:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Viper was ahead. He still lost. 
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Posted: 4/15/2022 1:34:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, illegal acts are excluded in GA policies….likely all policies. If he lies its fraud…a crime You mean like speeding? |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 2:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean like speeding? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope, illegal acts are excluded in GA policies….likely all policies. If he lies its fraud…a crime You mean like speeding? "Crimes" vs. "Misdemeanors" -- there is a significant, legal difference. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 2:22:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Crimes" vs. "Misdemeanors" -- there is a significant, legal difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope, illegal acts are excluded in GA policies….likely all policies. If he lies its fraud…a crime You mean like speeding? "Crimes" vs. "Misdemeanors" -- there is a significant, legal difference. Meh. That's like the distinction between whiskey and bourbon. All bourbon is whiskey, not all whiskey is bourbon. All misdemaeanors are crimes. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 2:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. That's like the distinction between whiskey and bourbon. All bourbon is whiskey, not all whiskey is bourbon. All misdemaeanors are crimes. You are correct... my wording was careless, and I should have been more accurate. Difference I was trying to talk about is between misdemeanors and felonies. Good catch. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 2:31:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most people I know of view it as an exotic. It’s an oddball for sure. Power. Hand assembled. Limited release. There are more vettes made in one year than all vipers of all years combined. It was a relatively affordable at one point but the prices are climbing fast. I think the Gen 5s are totally in the exotic class as they upped the interior significantly, added all the electronics expected and maintained world class performance with the big stuff underneath. The price they command today is impressive. The previous generations always skimped on the interior (decent but that’s about it) and the caveman approach to engineering just pains the senses of most exotic car enthusiasts. It also proves all that technology isn’t what you need. Big works: big displacement, big tires, big brakes. That’s it and they routinely set records in their day. |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 2:37:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the Gen 5s are totally in the exotic class as they upped the interior significantly, added all the electronics expected and maintained world class performance with the big stuff underneath. The price they command today is impressive. The previous generations always skimped on the interior (decent but that’s about it) and the caveman approach to engineering just pains the senses of most exotic car enthusiasts. It also proves all that technology isn’t what you need. Big works: big displacement, big tires, big brakes. That’s it and they routinely set records in their day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most people I know of view it as an exotic. It’s an oddball for sure. Power. Hand assembled. Limited release. There are more vettes made in one year than all vipers of all years combined. It was a relatively affordable at one point but the prices are climbing fast. I think the Gen 5s are totally in the exotic class as they upped the interior significantly, added all the electronics expected and maintained world class performance with the big stuff underneath. The price they command today is impressive. The previous generations always skimped on the interior (decent but that’s about it) and the caveman approach to engineering just pains the senses of most exotic car enthusiasts. It also proves all that technology isn’t what you need. Big works: big displacement, big tires, big brakes. That’s it and they routinely set records in their day. Yep.....weren't they built by hand? |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 2:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its called rear end snap hook, and happens when you turn off traction control since the suspension is set up to keep the car level, and as the back tires break free, rear end spinning tires will start to wheel hop, and on the downward pressures of the hop, one wheel will grab and snap the back end around. On the C6 vets, the snap hook will be with the back end going right, while on the C7's, will be with the back end snap hooking to the left instead. And again, sway bars to keep the car flat, suspension on the tight side for corning as well, and when the car snap hooks, the body does not plow to one side to slow the snap hook down, so the back end just snap hooks around you if you don't know how to control the amount of power from the car to keep the back end hooked (keep the back end tires from breaking loose in the first place). And as note on expensive sports cars, those that own them, only about 8% of them have the talent to even push the car even close to it limits (both on a close course high speed road course, or just in a straight line with the TC turned off). So in regards to this lad that crashed out in the viper, over his head in the first place, and should have not turned off TC/rest of the nannies from the start. That Viper had no TC or nannies |
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Posted: 4/15/2022 2:46:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep.....weren't they built by hand? Yes. All generation of viper were built by hand. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 3:51:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty easy thing to do in a Viper. It’s not going to save you. In fact it is better if people just accept the fact it wants to kill you. That's every purpose built fast car. |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 3:55:15 PM EDT
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people do not know how to drive. Dumbass.
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Posted: 4/16/2022 4:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Acura integra hit the flashers No ricer fly-by is complete without them. |
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