Fists and feet kill more people than rifles every year.

I guess you think Kyle Rittenhouse "hid behind his rifle because he was scared to get his ass beat"?

Personally, I'm scared to get my ass beat. I'm a big guy and could hold my own if I had to fight, but one wrong step, and I'm down and getting kicked in the head, or hitting my head on the concrete and it's coloring books for Christmas from there on out.

You sound like the jerkoff attorney in Kyle's trial "sometimes you just have to take a beating".

So you are saying it's ok to shoot the guy straight up without even touching the guy?

Yeah keep comparing it to a completely different matter. It's ok to be scared man. But shooting that idiot for bowing up, screaming and acting like an idiot without doing any harm to the guy is ok? Get outta here man.

Fuck it. Lets go to prison for being a fucking retard.  OP and other guy are fucking idiots.

What is justifiable homicide to defend against grave bodily harm or worse should the rager actually attack, for $500, Alex.

You’re making it sound like gym rat guy parked his car and was taking a leisurely stroll and happened to be near near a guy who hopped out and threatened him with a gun. I’m trying to say if you honk at a guy and he stops, threatens you and charges you that you have a right to protect yourself. It’s possible if he didn’t have a gun that’s an entirely different video and we are talking about how the world is such a horrible place and people are violent lunatics beating people for stupid reasons.  I’m glad no one got shot and agree everyone should have handled themselves better, but you have a right to be in the world without being physically assaulted.

This right here is one of the most intelligent and thoughtful posts ever in GD

Bad idea. Brandishing in AZ is a good way to catch a mag dump.

If they open your door here in AZ yep justifiable. If they don’t attempt to enter your vehicle and you brandish. It’s game on. First mag dump wins

Everybody takes a beating.

I’m fairly certain that most people in prison are retards.

Tell me you have never experienced true asymmetric violence without doing so.

Stay in your lane.

That Chikfila is on the south side of Lakeland Florida. People get stupid in that parking lot because they can't follow signs. Chikfila need to put spike strips in that lot.

I avoid that one...

Which has nothing to do with the situation that the camera showed.

By the way, here in AZ if you were to do the same as that roided rager did and actually lay hands on me and I fired and killed you, it would be standing my ground because of my state's justification statute is similar to "stand your ground" laws elsewhere in the U.S. The statute says "a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force."

And since your location is in CO: Colorado follows “Stand Your Ground” law. This law allows you to defend yourself without retreating from a fight, first. It allows people to use reasonable and appropriate force – including deadly force – without withdrawing. ... Stand Your Ground can be a defense for people who are trespassing on someone else's property.

Colorado Revised Statutes Title 42. Vehicles and Traffic § 42 ...https://codes.findlaw.com › co-rev-st-sect-42-1-102
(a) Privately owned vehicles as are designated by the state motor vehicle licensing agency necessary to the preservation of life and property

So no, a gym rat acting entitled to do whatever they want and not be "disrespected" for being an ass, and then challenging others to hand to hand combat and about to commence fisticuffs against an unwilling participant, can not beat up anyone they please without justifiable consequences.

And everyone else is acting like the gym bro was in the process of trying murdering the guy. The dude ran up to the car and screamed. Big deal. If gym bro would have punched out the glass or yanked the door open and put hands on the guy, different story.

Reread, not the OP, because the OP isn't the one being an idiot for not reading what the OP said about this video not being him.

Stay in my lane? The fuck you talking about? Let' me guess, you'd have shot gym bro right then and there

Yup, and he didn’t shoot him. You act like gun guy mag dumped him.

Double quoting your post. Hahaha. I’m a douche.

To clarify, I agree that car guy is a fuckstick as well.  I also think you shouldn’t have to stand there and get pummeled for honking at a dude.

AZ state's justification statute is similar to "stand your ground" laws elsewhere in the U.S. The statute says "a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force."

Know your laws, first of all. Second, if the first to mag dump was the rager wanting to do hand to hand then drew on the guy brandishing to warn him him to leave and not do it, I'm no lawyer but using a gun in self defense while in the commission of an attempted assault is not justifiable self defense.

I've done grand jury here, the rager would not even be a slightest thought against the DA's case before a grand jury before getting the proceed to trial for murder.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Curious as to how the guy that got cut off an asshole.
He got cut off and gave a honk. The shithead rolls a stop sign, jumps out at the next one walks back and wants to start shit.
He was put in his place by the flash of a gun.

If the idiot reached inside the car or tried to open the door, sure thing.  The idiot with the gun started the whole thing by being triggered that a car was half way through the intersection before he even entered it and started honking at him.  When assholes collide and fuck around and find out both apply here.  

In many states occupied vehicles are protected under the castle doctrine, trying to get into someone's vehicle is the same as trying to get into someone's house.

QFT. No need to get into a dick measuring contest with a retard, even if he is running his mouth.

You need to know your laws bud.

Gym dude was morally in the wrong for being a fuck head.

But.

You cannot brandish over a verbal confrontation as specifically excluded in ARS 13-404 below

It’s all verbal provocation till gym dude would put his hands on car dude.

Thus if brandished upon in that scenario you are clear to defend yourself as the brandisher has threatened unjustified deadly force upon you



AZ Deadly Force and justification as follows

https://www.azleg.gov/viewdocument/?docName=https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/00405.htm
13-405. Justification; use of deadly physical force

A. A person is justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another:

1. If such person would be justified in threatening or using physical force against the other under section 13-404, and

2. When and to the degree a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly physical force.

B. A person has no duty to retreat before threatening or using deadly physical force pursuant to this section if the person is in a place where the person may legally be and is not engaged in an unlawful act



https://www.azleg.gov/viewdocument/?docName=https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/00404.htm
13-404. Justification; self-defense

A. Except as provided in subsection B of this section, a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force.

B. The threat or use of physical force against another is not justified:

1. In response to verbal provocation alone; or

2. To resist an arrest that the person knows or should know is being made by a peace officer or by a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, whether the arrest is lawful or unlawful, unless the physical force used by the peace officer exceeds that allowed by law; or

3. If the person provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force, unless:

(a) The person withdraws from the encounter or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely withdraw from the encounter; and

(b) The other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful physical force against the person


ETA and to brandish a gun like that you have to prove serious physical injury was eminent. That’s a hard sell in court

ARS definition serious physical injury

39. "Serious physical injury" includes physical injury that creates a reasonable risk of death, or that causes serious and permanent disfigurement, serious impairment of health or loss or protracted impairment of the function of any bodily organ or limb

Ehhh, it's south Lakeland. Getting into shootouts in the roadway is practically the main local sporting activity.

We can spout of laws and copy and pastes all day dude, but we didn't see if the guy touched the other car or not, meaning you don't know the laws either and was going off of feelings because of what I had previously said that you were wanting to be a contrarian over.

And as I stated before, with that video footage alone and then if rager drew and fired without knowing what happened, a grand jury still would proceed for murder. I've seen it happen more than once when claims of self defense was being used.

If someone honks and gives you the finger because you were being a self entitled dick, just keep going and let the person vent and not challenging them to hand to hand combat while charging their car to get inside or yanking them out.

It's a parking lot. Private property. The only rule is there are no rules. Stop signs don't mean shit there.

Still a cool guy in my book OP!

Next time start with

"THIS IS NOT ME"

I don't honk or flip birds when carrying ... invites escalation. I'm a Knight of the Road in such cases.

Serious question, are you okay with cutting people off and not being safe on parking lots?

Rittenhouse was scared to get his ass beat so he hid behind his AR. Doesn't compute does it?

IBTL? Feels got hurt we cunt haz that here in arf

More like because GD only reacts by reading the titles and not the OP's posts too.

Not nearly as good as they used to be when they were cooked in peanut oil.

Oh you, GD doesn't read at all.

So, I watched the video with the sound off and was going to reply supporting the OP......

Then I watched it with the sound on....
My advice to the OP is to turn off the audio recording on your camera if you can... I doubt it would ever help you in court.


With that said, it doesn't matter where it happened or who was right or wrong with the honk or birds.
The problem started when the other driver stopped, blocking the OP, got out of his car, approached the OP in a threatening manner....

I don't know about the state where the OP lives, but in Oklahoma the law on pointing a firearm was amended a few years ago to allow the pointing of a firearm in self-defense.
This allows for a continuum of force so that the person defending themselves doesn't need to wait until things escalate to the point where deadly force is justified and then have no choice but to fire.
The threat of violence is enough to point.

In Oklahoma what the op did would be legally justified based on the video but given that he also contributed to the douche baggery based on the audio that could cause a problem for him.
Had he just said, "Back away from my car" he would have been fine.

It could be argued that the OP saved muscle head's life by getting him to back off before a shooting became justified.

Yep. I believe it was edited at that point for a reason.

Assholes collide, but I bet video guy is asshole 1.

I'd add that in places that have vehicle inspections, you are required to have a working horn.  

Do we now live in a world where you can't use your horn without triggering an attack?

Wrong answer Wink. Nice mental gymnastics though

Your position was justifiable homocide. Errrrr wrong answer

Then you proceeded to tell me that bradinshing from car dude was justified. Again...  Errrr wrong answer

Not sure if you need glasses or not. The laws you stated I didn’t know are very clear.

You cannot brandish over a verbal confrontation. Period. What part of that in bold right from the statute that you claim I do not know is confusing to you...

And nice attempt to side step and discredit me with the “spout off laws and copy pasta” statement.  Sucks when it’s in black and white and you have no where to go but sideways huh...

Let it go before you further discredit yourself dude







ETA
And the whole verbal confrontation justifies brandishing a gun position you hold is EXACTLY what kids that read here DO NOT NEED TO SEE. That’s how school shootings happen. Kids get dumb ass ideas in their heads.  Do you endorse those also....

Is pretty hard to have a firearm there without being  LEO right?

That’s what i would imagine... Castle doctrine and all (being in your own car) I would think the moment he breaches the confines of the vehicle you’re clear to go weapons-free.

The self defense haiku
Pla-ket-ket-ket-ket;
his ass is finna get shot.
And now he’s bleeee-ding...

Agreed.

Honking, especially really longs blasts, is seen by a lot of people as an act of aggression.

That said, it doesn't warrant a violent response, and pulling a gun on that shithead was justified.

i see homeboy skips leg day

The video is not OP.

This is a good reason to always carry pepper spray, so at a minimum you can say you tried less than lethal force, but the guy kept coming so deadly force was justified.  That and a face full of OC may have changed roid rage boys attitude without further escalation.

Word. I keep some center console just for this case.

Kyle and Chad?