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Posted: 6/5/2022 1:04:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know how these threads go. That being said, we had a guy from dig safe come out and use a dousing rod and he was dead on where he marked them. Not sure if he forgot his real tools as it was an emergency. Not the first time I've seen it from the dig safe rep either. Work for DigSafe and you’ll probably have a good idea of how utilities go underground. Then pull out your dowsing rods and “Oh wow, they really work!” |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 1:05:37 AM EDT
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Here in the desert I use them to find silicon dioxide deposits. Works like a charm.
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Posted: 6/5/2022 1:14:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pics or it didn’t happen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know how these threads go. That being said, we had a guy from dig safe come out and use a dousing rod and he was dead on where he marked them. Not sure if he forgot his real tools as it was an emergency. Not the first time I've seen it from the dig safe rep either. The power Co here sends a guy with dousing rods to mark underground lines before you can start construction.  Pics or it didn’t happen. LOL I didn't take pics of the guy but it's true. I was adding on a 911sqft attached garage to my little shitty house. Even though we weren't doing work on the end of the house that the power came in it was necessary to have the wire flagged. Mid 50s age guy in the CoOp truck came out with his rods and paint can. Used them to paint a dotted line for about 20ft from the meter towards the street. I have no claims to its efficacy but it's a fact here that the guy they send to mark for underground power lines uses rods and a pink spray can. Took him 60 seconds max. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 1:47:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: in on a dowsing rod thread to see the retardation |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 2:08:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there anything it doesn’t detect? Live wire Cold wire Running pipes Gas lines Standing water Oil Anything else? It can't detect bullshit. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 2:28:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish I was a faster draw with my phone. I immediately thought of grabbing a pic for the Arfcom boys. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know how these threads go. That being said, we had a guy from dig safe come out and use a dousing rod and he was dead on where he marked them. Not sure if he forgot his real tools as it was an emergency. Not the first time I've seen it from the dig safe rep either. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/bubbles_zps5bf5952f_GIF-110.gif I wish I was a faster draw with my phone. I immediately thought of grabbing a pic for the Arfcom boys. That is just........frightening. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 3:11:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there anything it doesn’t detect? Live wire Cold wire Running pipes Gas lines Standing water Oil Anything else? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've used coat hangers in a pinch when I did directional boring . See that tracer wire next to the gas line ? I don't understand why people think it wouldn't work https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/427921/images__7__jpeg-2407462.JPG Because it doesn’t. Go walk around by your gas meter and give it a whirl. Is there anything it doesn’t detect? Live wire Cold wire Running pipes Gas lines Standing water Oil Anything else? It's like marijuana, nothing it doesn't cure. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 3:16:41 AM EDT
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This thread is solid evidence towards gun control.
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Posted: 6/5/2022 3:29:31 AM EDT
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I was unfamiliar with this concept. Had a contract superintendent "locate" an 8in crude line with two welding rods bent to an L shape with the Flux knocked off. I wasn't aware this idiocy had a name until I saw this thread. For the record the line had above ground markers and had already been located.
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Posted: 6/5/2022 7:03:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The power Co here sends a guy with dousing rods to mark underground lines before you can start construction. 
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:08:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The power Co here sends a guy with dousing rods to mark underground lines before you can start construction. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/dont_believe_you_anchorman_zps267e5cbb_GIF-108.gif I believe it. We aren’t whistling towards Idiocracy via random chance. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:15:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there anything it doesn’t detect? Live wire Cold wire Running pipes Gas lines Standing water Oil Anything else? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've used coat hangers in a pinch when I did directional boring . See that tracer wire next to the gas line ? I don't understand why people think it wouldn't work https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/427921/images__7__jpeg-2407462.JPG Because it doesn’t. Go walk around by your gas meter and give it a whirl. Is there anything it doesn’t detect? Live wire Cold wire Running pipes Gas lines Standing water Oil Anything else? Watermelon and vagina. Sorry bud. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:16:25 AM EDT
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Dowsing rods 100% work, and not just for finding water. I've used the to find buried electrical, gas, and water. I've also seen DigRite use them to locate, and they are always spot on if you know how to use them.
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:16:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My theory is something to do with metal and magnetic fields and flow of electrons. I have more faith in using them to find buried lines than "witching for water" but I'm not going to put my job on the line using just rods. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There’s a million dollar open prize offered to anyone who can prove it’s not bullshit. The prize has yet to be claimed. That said, I’m open to the possibility and an explanation for how they work. My theory is something to do with metal and magnetic fields and flow of electrons. I have more faith in using them to find buried lines than "witching for water" but I'm not going to put my job on the line using just rods. You must be a wizard, 
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:18:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dowsing rods 100% work, and not just for finding water. I've used the to find buried electrical, gas, and water. I've also seen DigRite use them to locate, and they are always spot on if you know how to use them. I used a drill rig to find all of the same.. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:19:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit, I have a 50/50 chance of getting that correct. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know a grave digger that uses it to find graves in old country graveyards Still works on very old graves and can tell the sex of the person in the grave Shit, I have a 50/50 chance of getting that correct. Damn, you are good.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:24:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You must be a wizard, Well yeah. My wife is amazed at my ability to turn cash into steel, lead and brass.
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:26:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My theory is something to do with metal and magnetic fields and flow of electrons. I have more faith in using them to find buried lines than "witching for water" but I'm not going to put my job on the line using just rods. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There’s a million dollar open prize offered to anyone who can prove it’s not bullshit. The prize has yet to be claimed. That said, I’m open to the possibility and an explanation for how they work. My theory is something to do with metal and magnetic fields and flow of electrons. I have more faith in using them to find buried lines than "witching for water" but I'm not going to put my job on the line using just rods. My theory is also that it works off of the earth's natural magnetic field. Somehow whatever is buried creates a disturbance in the magnetic field, that causes the rods to react. I would like to know how to claim that million dollars, because I have used them many times to find buried utilities, and many times they have been more accurate than modern locating equipment. That being said, I still wouldn't take liability for a dig on a project based on using them. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:29:19 AM EDT
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For the people that claim to use them to “find” utilities…
Did you locate them and then actually dig up the utility? Or did you just mark where you thought the utility was and then dig somewhere else and claim victory because you didn’t hit anything? There is a pretty huge difference between the two. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:34:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: in on a dowsing rod thread to see the retardation |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:51:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the people that claim to use them to “find” utilities… Did you locate them and then actually dig up the utility? Or did you just mark where you thought the utility was and then dig somewhere else and claim victory because you didn’t hit anything? There is a pretty huge difference between the two. I'm putting a 20" auger in the ground to dig a new 6-7 ft hole so I "locate" the utilities and set up to dig and miss them. Then wait for the various utilities to show up with their maps and equipment and mark their stuff. My boot heel marks and their paint lines match. I'm just doing it for fun and to pass the time. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:53:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I tried them once and they worked. Wife got mad though because they kept leading me straight to her crotch. Moistest hole within a quarter mile. My new favorite word. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:53:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know how these threads go. That being said, we had a guy from dig safe come out and use a dousing rod and he was dead on where he marked them. Not sure if he forgot his real tools as it was an emergency. Not the first time I've seen it from the dig safe rep either. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 9:59:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the people that claim to use them to “find” utilities… Did you locate them and then actually dig up the utility? Or did you just mark where you thought the utility was and then dig somewhere else and claim victory because you didn’t hit anything? There is a pretty huge difference between the two. I've located and dug them up. It works as long as the utility has a tracer line. It's not magic. It doesn't work with water, watermelon or vagina. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:00:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it doesn’t. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've used coat hangers in a pinch when I did directional boring . See that tracer wire next to the gas line ? I don't understand why people think it wouldn't work https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/427921/images__7__jpeg-2407462.JPG Because it doesn’t. I use them all the time digging utilities. I also have a Dynatel 2273 locator, sometimes its easier to grab my witching rods off my truck then to go find a place to hook up my transmitter. I don't know about water or watermelon but they can find the poles on a cut trench underground. I can even get an approximate depth. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:03:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there an ASTM standard for dowsing? When you call 811 do they break out the rods? The answer to both is no for a reason. Water and sewer guys use rods. you think tracer wires are on all them old lines? |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:04:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody had EVERY proven dowsing to work in an impartial test. For years there was a million dollar reward for anyone that could prove it worked in a double blind test. It was never collected. For those that claim to successfully dowse, I'm sure you still could collect a LOT of money if you could prove it works, go for it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:28:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use them all the time digging utilities. I also have a Dynatel 2273 locator, sometimes its easier to grab my witching rods off my truck then to go find a place to hook up my transmitter. I don't know about water or watermelon but they can find the poles on a cut trench underground. I can even get an approximate depth. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:29:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Water and sewer guys use rods. you think tracer wires are on all them old lines? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there an ASTM standard for dowsing? When you call 811 do they break out the rods? The answer to both is no for a reason. Water and sewer guys use rods. you think tracer wires are on all them old lines? When in doubt…sorcery! |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:33:42 AM EDT
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My grandpa always used a fresh cut branch from certain trees. Can't remember which. All these new wire thingys weren't around then and the water witchers were just about finding water.
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:37:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who do you work for? I'm fairly certain the OCC will take a very dim view of this, should they observe it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I use them all the time digging utilities. I also have a Dynatel 2273 locator, sometimes its easier to grab my witching rods off my truck then to go find a place to hook up my transmitter. I don't know about water or watermelon but they can find the poles on a cut trench underground. I can even get an approximate depth. I work for a telco. When im trying to find and hand dig up a bad drop or cable. Im not putting paint on the ground with them and its just for me so OCC really won't even have a view on it. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:44:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My theory is something to do with metal and magnetic fields and flow of electrons. I have more faith in using them to find buried lines than "witching for water" but I'm not going to put my job on the line using just rods. Which magnetic field produced by what. How do the rods detect this field? Can you replicate this using a standard magnet which is going to be much stronger then whatever you think is inducing a magnetic field? |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:47:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can punch a hole just about anywhere in Texas and hit water with very few exceptions. (Southwest Texas and llano granite country) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I did this with coat hangers when we were drilling a well. Me and the guy working with me got the same results in multiple spots. My helper's son stopped by and we used him for a blind test, he hit the same spots we did not knowing our results. We hit good water at 70 feet. I think there is something to this. You can punch a hole just about anywhere in Texas and hit water with very few exceptions. (Southwest Texas and llano granite country) |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:48:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some jackass took a bullshit dowsing rod that was initially marketed to retarded golfers to find their golf balls and rebranded it to find IEDs, people, and other shit. He sold it to governments for tens of thousands of dollars a piece and probably got people killed in bombings because of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 Considering who bought them...I'll have a coke. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:48:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which magnetic field produced by what. How do the rods detect this field? Can you replicate this using a standard magnet which is going to be much stronger then whatever you think is inducing a magnetic field? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My theory is something to do with metal and magnetic fields and flow of electrons. I have more faith in using them to find buried lines than "witching for water" but I'm not going to put my job on the line using just rods. Which magnetic field produced by what. How do the rods detect this field? Can you replicate this using a standard magnet which is going to be much stronger then whatever you think is inducing a magnetic field? I don't know all the sciencey shit behind it but I do know when witching on a dirt county road the rods will pick up on the cut of the road where the road grader blade ends. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:52:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some jackass took a bullshit dowsing rod that was initially marketed to retarded golfers to find their golf balls and rebranded it to find IEDs, people, and other shit. He sold it to governments for tens of thousands of dollars a piece and probably got people killed in bombings because of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 In Afghanistan we would hold a weekly market on Kandahar, and before we'd let people in we'd run the dogs around. Well the Bulgarians we worked with was super excited to show us his explosive detectors. So out come these two radio antennas on plastic handles. He said you had to keep your elbows at your side and when they crossed it meant there was a bomb. We played along so that he didn't feel bad. Somewhere I have a picture of my capt dowsing for IEDs with it. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:52:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there an ASTM standard for dowsing? When you call 811 do they break out the rods? The answer to both is no for a reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Go walk around by your gas meter and give it a whirl. Is there an ASTM standard for dowsing? When you call 811 do they break out the rods? The answer to both is no for a reason. Those fuckers are not much better. Ask the residents of Star Creek in Allen TX. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:58:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Love me a good dowsing rod thread Witching sticks, duhh. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:59:06 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dowsing rods 100% work, and not just for finding water. I've used the to find buried electrical, gas, and water. I've also seen DigRite use them to locate, and they are always spot on if you know how to use them. Funny how it doesn’t 100% work when it’s falsifiable. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 10:59:42 AM EDT
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I've seen it used to locate conduits underground, some under asphalt, multiple times. I believe what I see.
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Posted: 6/5/2022 11:11:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which magnetic field produced by what. How do the rods detect this field? Can you replicate this using a standard magnet which is going to be much stronger then whatever you think is inducing a magnetic field? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism Find an iron fence that has been undisturbed for several years. Take a thread and suspend a sewing needle and start bringing the needle closer to the fence. The needle will begin swinging toward the fence. The magnetic fields of the earth have induced a slight magnetism to the fence. I don't have all the answers, but I've done it and I've seen the rods move parallel to the buried lines. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 11:34:45 AM EDT
[#42]
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know how these threads go. That being said, we had a guy from dig safe come out and use a dousing rod and he was dead on where he marked them. Not sure if he forgot his real tools as it was an emergency. Not the first time I've seen it from the dig safe rep either. We would fire his ass if someone higher up saw that happen. Now it could have been that he was trying to mark storm/sanitary/water lines that had no tracer wire and were measurement only type of location. For gas/electric/cable/phone/fiber, the guys a dumbass. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 11:40:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism Find an iron fence that has been undisturbed for several years. Take a thread and suspend a sewing needle and start bringing the needle closer to the fence. The needle will begin swinging toward the fence. The magnetic fields of the earth have induced a slight magnetism to the fence. I don't have all the answers, but I've done it and I've seen the rods move parallel to the buried lines. Lots of fence pipe is used drill pipe. Drill pipe gets highly magnetized when rotating down hole in earth’s magnetic field.. So much so that we can stick hand tools like wrenches to it. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 11:40:17 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL I didn't take pics of the guy but it's true. I was adding on a 911sqft attached garage to my little shitty house. Even though we weren't doing work on the end of the house that the power came in it was necessary to have the wire flagged. Mid 50s age guy in the CoOp truck came out with his rods and paint can. Used them to paint a dotted line for about 20ft from the meter towards the street. I have no claims to its efficacy but it's a fact here that the guy they send to mark for underground power lines uses rods and a pink spray can. Took him 60 seconds max. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know how these threads go. That being said, we had a guy from dig safe come out and use a dousing rod and he was dead on where he marked them. Not sure if he forgot his real tools as it was an emergency. Not the first time I've seen it from the dig safe rep either. The power Co here sends a guy with dousing rods to mark underground lines before you can start construction. Pics or it didn’t happen. LOL I didn't take pics of the guy but it's true. I was adding on a 911sqft attached garage to my little shitty house. Even though we weren't doing work on the end of the house that the power came in it was necessary to have the wire flagged. Mid 50s age guy in the CoOp truck came out with his rods and paint can. Used them to paint a dotted line for about 20ft from the meter towards the street. I have no claims to its efficacy but it's a fact here that the guy they send to mark for underground power lines uses rods and a pink spray can. Took him 60 seconds max. Yeah, red for electric, yellow for gas, pink is for temporary survey markings so the guy was full of bullshit. [I've located longer then the time much of ARFcom has been alive] |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 11:49:23 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dowsing rods 100% work, and not just for finding water. I've used the to find buried electrical, gas, and water. I've also seen DigRite use them to locate, and they are always spot on if you know how to use them. Why haven't you collected the money, then? |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 11:56:01 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny how it doesn’t 100% work when it’s falsifiable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dowsing rods 100% work, and not just for finding water. I've used the to find buried electrical, gas, and water. I've also seen DigRite use them to locate, and they are always spot on if you know how to use them. Funny how it doesn’t 100% work when it’s falsifiable. Nobody ever collected the million and nobody has EVER been able to prove they work in an impartial test but it seems like half of Arfcom can do it.
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Posted: 6/5/2022 12:07:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism Find an iron fence that has been undisturbed for several years. Take a thread and suspend a sewing needle and start bringing the needle closer to the fence. The needle will begin swinging toward the fence. The magnetic fields of the earth have induced a slight magnetism to the fence. I don't have all the answers, but I've done it and I've seen the rods move parallel to the buried lines. Magnetic fields strength has an inverse cube relationship to distance. In other words the farther you get from the field the strength decreases by the cube of distance (1/r^3). This is why magnets only really start to be noticeably attracted or repelled when they get extremely close. In order to induce the sort of forces you claim to be seeing in the rods these induced fields would need to be insanely strong. How can these supposed forces be felt from objects buried feet underground if the strength does decrease so rapidly with distance? I mean look at the Wikipedia article you posted. It took 16 Tesla (which is an insane amount) to levitate a tiny frog in a 32mm tube. Are you seriously suggesting that underground pipes or water are so strongly magnetic that their forces can be felt feet away by some pieces of metal? Really? The forces that you are claiming are produced by underground water or pipes (and I don’t think you have produced significant evidence that they are produced) are almost certainly multiple orders of magnitude smaller than literally any other force in the environment. Wind, tremors in your body, the motion of your body as you walk, etc. As for your iron fence example the iron fence is almost certainly exhibiting ferromagnetism which is again orders or magnitude stronger than other forms… and yet even in your own example it is so weak that it can only be felt on a needle (weighing nearly nothing) at extremely close distances. Your theories would be quite simple to prove if true and yet no one has ever done so. You must then ask yourself if it’s really true. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 12:52:44 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My theory is also that it works off of the earth's natural magnetic field. Somehow whatever is buried creates a disturbance in the magnetic field, that causes the rods to react. I would like to know how to claim that million dollars, because I have used them many times to find buried utilities, and many times they have been more accurate than modern locating equipment. That being said, I still wouldn't take liability for a dig on a project based on using them. False. They are not more accurate than GPR. If they were GPR wouldn’t exist because it wouldn’t be needed. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 12:55:13 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys dug up utilities after watching the locate guy using ONLY dowsing rods? That’s probably why they’re digging them up. |
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Posted: 6/5/2022 12:57:53 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Water and sewer guys use rods. you think tracer wires are on all them old lines? No professional locators use them. There’s a reason for that. |
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