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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every war has its draft dodgers. This. We had plenty of people do it here too. I know the OP has an anti Ukraine bias, but he’s simply showing that they’re like any other nation. They even had some folks who collaborated with the Russians. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:46:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the telegram pages said a 15 year old was recently asked to show ID to a military recruiter at a sporting event. Was just joking that Scott Ritter was going to have competition for that age range, from ukrainian recruitment commissars 15 year olds? Scott ritter is excited. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 7:48:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ditto. I wouldn't die for Z man or the wrong Western interests (England & US both of whom want war with Russia). Quote HistoryQuoted: Ditto. I wouldn't die for Z man or the wrong Western interests (England & US both of whom want war with Russia). To be fair nobody is dying for z man. They’re dying so their families Aren’t raped and murdered by Russian soldiers. Quoted: Russians have been saying it’s over since the war started. What has happened since? |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:04:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The War Machine needs medics, supply techs, automotive mechanics and computer techs too. Most wont get sent there. I came across an article where they sent a nuclear physics phd to the front line instead of somewhere like a nuclear power station |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:10:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:10:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every war has its draft dodgers. yep. Phenomenon likely as old as war itself. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:12:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. We had plenty of people do it here too. I know the OP has an anti Ukraine bias, but he’s simply showing that they’re like any other nation. They even had some folks who collaborated with the Russians. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every war has its draft dodgers. This. We had plenty of people do it here too. I know the OP has an anti Ukraine bias, but he’s simply showing that they’re like any other nation. They even had some folks who collaborated with the Russians. You know nothing |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:13:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russians have been saying it’s over since the war started. What has happened since? have they hit 150,000 Russian KIA yet ? SOMEBODY obviously stayed to fight. 
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:32:18 PM EDT
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Imagine dying to keep Pelosi's ice cream cold or Hunter's coke flowing. Or imagine your kid being forced to do that?
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:33:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My previous employer employed quite a few of them and it fucking disgusted me. I asked my boss about it and he said "they had the means to leave the country so they bought their way out and I should feel bad for them because they didn't know if they had a home to go back too!" Maybe they would have had homes to go back to if they would have stayed and fought for their Slavic shithole instead of being a bunch of cowards and fleeing to America. Too be fair, I don't blame them. Zelensky and his generals are basically ordering them into Somme like charges against heavily fortified Russian lines, where they'll get chopped to shit en masse, while Zelesnky pals around with American Democrats and points at their corpse to go "Give me more money". But hey, if Ukrainian men all die, blown apart in a muddy field, George Soros and the WEF will just repopulate Ukraine with hordes of illiterate, unwashed "migrants". If Ukrainians had any balls they'd turn their rifles around and we'll get to see Zelensky's pinch little head being paraded around Victory Square on a pike. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:34:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess their patriotism has… faded like the sun. 
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:40:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same would happen in the US. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They'll gladly take a handout from their government but the minute you ask them to sign up for service? They flee Fight for the Constitution? Yes. Fight for globohomo? Fuck that. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:44:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ll gladly take a handout from their government but the minute you ask them to sign up for service? They flee Are we talking about the USA? American wars are fake and gay. It's a good thing we have a volunteer force, people wouldn't be happy about getting drafted while Zuckerberg and co flee to Hawaii and do whatever the fuck they want. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 8:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's going to retire in Florida. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anybody with half a brain can see that the war was lost for Ukraine at the start and the continued fighting is just so Voldamort can keep the billions flowing in. Billions he’ll eventually flee to South America with courtesy of the US taxpayer. I can’t fault anybody for not wanting to be press ganged into dying for no good reason. He's going to retire in Florida. Israel most likely, he bought a nice place just north of Tel Aviv on the Med for $8 million when the war broke out and moved his parents there. He is a dual citizen. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:03:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 15 year olds? Scott ritter is excited. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One of the telegram pages said a 15 year old was recently asked to show ID to a military recruiter at a sporting event. Was just joking that Scott Ritter was going to have competition for that age range, from ukrainian recruitment commissars 15 year olds? Scott ritter is excited. So is Zelinsky! |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:04:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: have they hit 150,000 Russian KIA yet ? SOMEBODY obviously stayed to fight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russians have been saying it’s over since the war started. What has happened since? have they hit 150,000 Russian KIA yet ? SOMEBODY obviously stayed to fight. Ukraine liquidated the entire Russian Army 30 times over and they’ve resorted to drafting PLA troops. Moscow by new years, Comrade! |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:07:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 15 year olds? Scott ritter is excited. Ukraine isn’t doing so hot, aim your strike bro. Get in on some foreign legion action, let us peons handle the southern border in your absence. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:12:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we talking about the USA? American wars are fake and gay. It's a good thing we have a volunteer force, people wouldn't be happy about getting drafted while Zuckerberg and co flee to Hawaii and do whatever the fuck they want. Justified to fight an invasion of the US? yes, but there will never be another draft to fight a foreign war, it would instigate a rebellion. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:19:09 PM EDT
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Our resident Ukie-tards should offer them refuge in their homes here in the US. Or they should "volunteer as tribute".
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:00:45 PM EDT
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2mil men have been called up, resulting in labor shortage. A 2mil man army at the front line would end things quickly, no? Given Russia only put something like 500k in the captured territory? And they've had almost 2 years to train them?
I don't understand why Ukraine didn't conscript more men early on. From the videos I've posted, called up 2mil men ages 18-60, out of a country with 38mil total population (well, 37 mil since I read that 1mil men fled early on). They should have had 1mil men trained within 1yr and billions in money and equipment, easily. What am I missing in understanding why Ukraine doesn't win by numbers (assuming Russia wouldn't want to thrown their larger overall population at Ukraine)  Ukraine economic recovery: Labour shortage hits struggling businesses |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:55:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess their patriotism has… faded like the sun. Sounds like someone should write more letters |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:59:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every war has its draft dodgers. True but this war is for the survival of their home. The fact that an invaded country needs a draft speaks volumes of many of it's citizens overall resolve or loyalty. Hell they can volunteer for support roles and such. Fukin A it's their home and not enough volunteer to defend it they need a draft |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:04:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If this was our land that was invaded, I would have no problem shooting those fleeing the fight. This. I can see finding a way out of fighting a corrupt foreign war for profit overseas but Ukranian men abandoned their homeland in droves. ETA: They probably made the right call. Their western puppet fag has begged for enough money to buy two yachts in the same time they'd have been long dead. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:05:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True but this war is for the survival of their home. The fact that an invaded country needs a draft speaks volumes of many of it's citizens overall resolve or loyalty. Hell they can volunteer for support roles and such. Fukin A it's their home and not enough volunteer to defend it they need a draft Every country drafts when it gets invaded. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:06:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Justified to fight an invasion of the US? yes, but there will never be another draft to fight a foreign war, it would instigate a rebellion. Lol What you see in Ukraine is similar to what you would see here Even if the motherland was invaded, they would need to draft here. You think gen Z is going to line up? The ones that would already have. The rest will run away. Anyway, never say never. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:10:45 PM EDT
[#26]
Can't blame them for not wanting to be thrown into pointless suicide missions for their endlessly corrupt government.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:13:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine isn’t doing so hot, aim your strike bro. Get in on some foreign legion action, let us peons handle the southern border in your absence. You’ve had the chance to handle that for how long and you’ve done nothing so spare me the lecture  Russia has yet to accomplish their goals after 2 years of winning so Ukraine is evidently doing okay. 662 days into the 2/3 day war now. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:14:23 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is Zelinsky! Zelenskyy isn’t required to register as a sex offender and isn’t a pedo like the infamous Russian propagandist. Ritter is. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:15:48 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't blame them for not wanting to be thrown into pointless suicide missions for their endlessly corrupt government. I don't see how they get them to do the rubber dingy missions across the Dnieper. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:18:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too be fair, I don't blame them. Zelensky and his generals are basically ordering them into Somme like charges against heavily fortified Russian lines, where they'll get chopped to shit en masse, while Zelesnky pals around with American Democrats and points at their corpse to go "Give me more money". But hey, if Ukrainian men all die, blown apart in a muddy field, George Soros and the WEF will just repopulate Ukraine with hordes of illiterate, unwashed "migrants". If Ukrainians had any balls they'd turn their rifles around and we'll get to see Zelensky's pinch little head being paraded around Victory Square on a pike. What happened when the last pro Russian dude made predictions like this? We had statements like “the ukrainain army Will revolt against Zelenskyy in mid Summer 2023”. Did that happen? You may want to pay attention to what’s happening now.   That’s Russias failed offensive to take avdiivka. Who is practicing Somme style warfare, again? @federov |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:23:51 PM EDT
[#31]
No reasonable person thinks the Draft in the USA wouldn’t be just as screwed up.
We are no better than either side in that war. People the world over operate in their own best self interest. It’s human nature. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:39:30 PM EDT
[#32]
"We're coming father Abraham, 300,00 more". Draft riots broke out in NY City during the American civil war a week after the battle of Gettysburg. Troops were sent to restore order. Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) traveled out west to avoid serving after his militia time was up. I would guess every war ever, has had volunteers and dodgers.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:40:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No reasonable person thinks the Draft in the USA wouldn’t be just as screwed up. We are no better than either side in that war. People the world over operate in their own best self interest. It’s human nature. This, 100%. There were a massive amount of people in America post 9/11 who ran to recruiting offices. There were a huge number of Ukrainian men and women who grabbed rifles and began hunting Russian soldiers in the early days of the invasion when the Ukrainian army was reeling from the shock. There were also a lot of people Who didn’t enlist and didn’t do anything in both cases. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:45:10 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This, 100%. There were a massive amount of people in America post 9/11 who ran to recruiting offices. There were a huge number of Ukrainian men and women who grabbed rifles and began hunting Russian soldiers in the early days of the invasion when the Ukrainian army was reeling from the shock. There were also a lot of people Who didn’t enlist and didn’t do anything in both cases. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No reasonable person thinks the Draft in the USA wouldn’t be just as screwed up. We are no better than either side in that war. People the world over operate in their own best self interest. It’s human nature. This, 100%. There were a massive amount of people in America post 9/11 who ran to recruiting offices. There were a huge number of Ukrainian men and women who grabbed rifles and began hunting Russian soldiers in the early days of the invasion when the Ukrainian army was reeling from the shock. There were also a lot of people Who didn’t enlist and didn’t do anything in both cases. Seeing regular citizens training and armed to fight an invading force really warmed my heart. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 11:48:44 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the telegram pages said a 15 year old was recently asked to show ID to a military recruiter at a sporting event. Was just joking that Scott Ritter was going to have competition for that age range, from ukrainian recruitment commissars At 15 in some parts of the world he would have 5-6 years of combat experience . |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:09:17 AM EDT
[#36]
Ukraine has police that will fuck you up for doing that. I watched a documentary on it back when this all happened the first time.
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:12:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:12:59 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seeing regular citizens training and armed to fight an invading force really warmed my heart. Same.  SUMY. THE GUT PUNCH [Incredible bravery of civilians] |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:36:07 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My previous employer employed quite a few of them and it fucking disgusted me. I asked my boss about it and he said "they had the means to leave the country so they bought their way out and I should feel bad for them because they didn't know if they had a home to go back too!" Maybe they would have had homes to go back to if they would have stayed and fought for their Slavic shithole instead of being a bunch of cowards and fleeing to America. Sorta reminds me of the guys on here saying "I'm moving to a free state". |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:48:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:50:52 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2mil men have been called up, resulting in labor shortage. A 2mil man army at the front line would end things quickly, no? Given Russia only put something like 500k in the captured territory? And they've had almost 2 years to train them? I don't understand why Ukraine didn't conscript more men early on. From the videos I've posted, called up 2mil men ages 18-60, out of a country with 38mil total population (well, 37 mil since I read that 1mil men fled early on). They should have had 1mil men trained within 1yr and billions in money and equipment, easily. What am I missing in understanding why Ukraine doesn't win by numbers (assuming Russia wouldn't want to thrown their larger overall population at Ukraine)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBcqHtTglZsYou're making the erroneous assumption that Ukraine wanted to win. This war is about the grift, not the win. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:52:03 PM EDT
[#42]
Why die for nothing? Nothing they will do will change the frontline of this war.
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Posted: 12/17/2023 12:59:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. We had plenty of people do it here too. I know the OP has an anti Ukraine bias, but he's simply showing that they're like any other nation. They even had some folks who collaborated with the Russians. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every war has its draft dodgers. This. We had plenty of people do it here too. I know the OP has an anti Ukraine bias, but he's simply showing that they're like any other nation. They even had some folks who collaborated with the Russians. That 650k number is 3.5x the number of active UKR soldiers and is roughly 25% greater than the size of the entire UKR military. https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.php?country_id=ukraine https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/ You can brush this off as "everybody does it" but it simply isn't the same. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 1:08:44 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You know nothing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every war has its draft dodgers. This. We had plenty of people do it here too. I know the OP has an anti Ukraine bias, but he's simply showing that they're like any other nation. They even had some folks who collaborated with the Russians. You know nothing  Attached FileIf you're not 100% on board with the bullshit you are immediately labelled as having "an anti Ukraine bias". |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 1:20:48 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If this was our land that was invaded, I would have no problem shooting those fleeing the fight. Already invaded and conquered |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 1:25:03 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And I’d have no problem shooting you, especially if you tried to conscript my child for a corrupt regime What kind of American are you? |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 10:35:28 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Every country drafts when it gets invaded. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: True but this war is for the survival of their home. The fact that an invaded country needs a draft speaks volumes of many of it's citizens overall resolve or loyalty. Hell they can volunteer for support roles and such. Fukin A it's their home and not enough volunteer to defend it they need a draft Every country drafts when it gets invaded. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 10:48:35 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened when the last pro Russian dude made predictions like this? We had statements like "the ukrainain army Will revolt against Zelenskyy in mid Summer 2023". Did that happen? You may want to pay attention to what's happening now. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBcEltPXUAA97Nn?format=png&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBcEsnbWEAANwe7?format=png&name=large That's Russias failed offensive to take avdiivka. Who is practicing Somme style warfare, again? @federov Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Too be fair, I don't blame them. Zelensky and his generals are basically ordering them into Somme like charges against heavily fortified Russian lines, where they'll get chopped to shit en masse, while Zelesnky pals around with American Democrats and points at their corpse to go "Give me more money". But hey, if Ukrainian men all die, blown apart in a muddy field, George Soros and the WEF will just repopulate Ukraine with hordes of illiterate, unwashed "migrants". If Ukrainians had any balls they'd turn their rifles around and we'll get to see Zelensky's pinch little head being paraded around Victory Square on a pike. What happened when the last pro Russian dude made predictions like this? We had statements like "the ukrainain army Will revolt against Zelenskyy in mid Summer 2023". Did that happen? You may want to pay attention to what's happening now. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBcEltPXUAA97Nn?format=png&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBcEsnbWEAANwe7?format=png&name=large That's Russias failed offensive to take avdiivka. Who is practicing Somme style warfare, again? @federov  Attached FileYesterday. Awful lot of geolocated footage indicates that Russian forces advanced |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 11:04:12 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn dude, That's a bit much. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: edited out , especially if you tried to conscript my child for a corrupt regime Damn dude, That's a bit much. Don't mess with people's children. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 11:07:35 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The War Machine needs medics, supply techs, automotive mechanics and computer techs too. I don't know if the Ukrainian army is configured to have a large logistics tail. I would bet for every 1 logistics person, there is 10 trigger pullers. |
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