Indeed. Frank's Red Hot is my favorite non-complex hot sauce -- it's vinegar, cayanne, garlic, salt.

There's lots of different rice. Tried basmatti? Wild? Sushi short grain sticky rice?

Other grains like oats, barley, peas, black eye peas (actually beans) millet, amaranth, spelt.

Variety is pretty valuable for not only taste, but nutrition.

THIS TOO.

I honestly hope you're 100% spot on and I just continue to rotate through my larder and the only benefit I see out of it is buying only what is on sale for the next 30 to 40 years.

Maybe I am wrong but didnt we have food issues during the dust bowl?

Seems like its lining up to repeat.

Normalcy bias is a bitch.

During Irelands 'potato famine' people were starving while the country was exporting food.  Yes, really

The poor could not afford to buy.  Those who produced could not afford to sell except to those paying higher prices or they too would have problems.

Should be taught in school. So thankful I learned at the apronstrings of my Appalachian grandma.

Cooking, preserving, managing food is a basic life skill.

That's fair. And canned tomatoes will certainly keep a long time.

I seem to recall a little thing called the great depression.

Might want to read up a bit on that. Not that many died of starvation, but of diseases associated with malnutrition.

Laughs in grandparents that lived through the Grest Depression...

All of us should be taking this seriously!

Look at it this way! Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

Increased price to grow the food
Increased price to ship the food
Increase in wages for those involved

Guaranteed that food will be going up in price.

2021 February Texas winter storm; coldest weather in years, lots of notice, lots of time to get basic preps even if you had nothing at all. Yet all these people stood out in the cold ON THE SECOND DAY.



Facebook and nextdoor posts in my hood were pitiful. It's amazing how unprepared so many folks are.

Not sure.

Am I a paranoid doomer or nah?  This will affect my answer.

Canned tomato is a good source of vitamin C.

While I'm at it, it is VERY easy to have a small herb garden in a planter box in a partly sunny area. Many herbs grow like weeds. Rosemary, sage, mint, Thai basil, cilantro. So beneficial, especially when using bland staples

Much more important to have thousands in guns and ammo than a few hundred in food that you absolutely will use, if you're doing it correctly.

I am just starting to up my cannibalism game.  I must admit I was a little squeamish at first.  But I think I'm getting the hang of it now.  Lets face it, the people will be easy pickins.

Also a recommendation for the 'Hawkins' brand of pressure cooker; makes cooking beans etc super fast. Get a spare o-ring. Good alternative to a slow cooker that works great also.

Id also recommend the tubes of tomato paste.. concentrated flavor and whatnot.  Last a long time too.

You should really be stacking more of what you normally eat it’s ok to supplement some of that with beans and rice but don’t expect that to be your only plan

Yep. Fast=less fuel.

There are several techniques that conserve fuel. Pre soak. Bringing to a boil and then wrapping the pot in insulation. Cooking in a hole in the ground. Solar oven. Cold soak is a common technique used by backpackers to negate fuel use.

Eta, The All American pressure canner uses a taper fit, so no O ring. Expensive, new. But you can catch them at fleamarkets.

Even better to have hundreds in guns but thousands in cans & nods & thermal

Yep, people were calling 911 because Doordash was not delivering.

The Irish were not allowed to hold office in their own country.

A lot of things happened during the potato famine that's all but forgotten.

"The worst year of the period was 1847, known as "Black '47". During the Great Hunger, about 1 million people died and more than a million fled the country, causing the country's population to fall by 20 25%, in some towns falling as much as 67% between 1841 and 1871. Between 1845 and 1855, no fewer than 2.1 million people left Ireland, primarily on packet ships but also steamboats and barque one of the greatest exoduses from a single island in history."


"Catholics, the majority of whom lived in conditions of poverty and insecurity, made up 80% of the population. At the top of the "social pyramid" was the "ascendancy class", the English and Anglo-Irish families who owned most of the land and held more or less unchecked power over their tenants. Some of their estates were vast; for example, the Earl of Lucan owned more than 60,000 acres (240 km2). Many of these absentee landlords lived in England. The rent revenue collected from "impoverished tenants" who were paid minimal wages to raise crops and livestock for export was mostly sent to England."

"It would be impossible adequately to describe the privations which they [the Irish labourer and his family] habitually and silently endure ... in many districts their only food is the potato, their only beverage water ... their cabins are seldom a protection against the weather ... a bed or a blanket is a rare luxury ... and nearly in all their pig and a manure heap constitute their only property."

People generally die of disease caused by weakness and poor nutrition before they get a chance to starve.

"However, the greatest mortality was not from nutritional deficiency diseases, but from famine-induced ailments. The malnourished are very vulnerable to infections; therefore, these were more severe when they occurred. Measles, diphtheria, diarrhoea, tuberculosis, most respiratory infections, whooping cough, many intestinal parasites, and cholera were all strongly conditioned by nutritional status. Potentially lethal diseases, such as smallpox and influenza, were so virulent that their spread was independent of nutrition. The best example of this phenomenon was fever, which exacted the greatest death toll. In the popular mind, as well as medical opinion, fever and famine were closely related. Social dislocation the congregation of the hungry at soup kitchens, food depots, and overcrowded work houses created conditions that were ideal for spreading infectious diseases such as typhus, typhoid, and relapsing fever.

Diarrhoeal diseases were the result of poor hygiene, bad sanitation, and dietary changes. The concluding attack on a population incapacitated by famine was delivered by Asiatic cholera, which had visited Ireland briefly in the 1830s. In the following decade, it spread uncontrollably across Asia, through Europe, and into Britain, finally reaching Ireland in 1849. Some scholars estimate that the population of Ireland was reduced by 20 25%."

I'm working on it.

I think vehicles and all that goes with deserve more attention. Looking real hard at a nice 78 cj7 right now. I'm talking myself into needing it as a post apocalyptic ride.

Yes it easy unless the power grid fails  then you need how to cook them

I encourage folks to learns some 18th century cooking techniques and corresponding recipes to suit. Its a fun and tasty hobby. There are plenty of vids on YouTube.

Yes they did.  

Currently about 0.9 in 100k people die of starvation (malnutrition).  The confuse the numbers with food insecurity in a lot of places because the number is so small.

But people currently do and will continue to die of starvation. While you don't have to buy extra for the impending storm that my never be.

It's silly to assume that people won't starve to death in mass if many of the food shortage predictions come to pass.

People were much more self sufficient in that era, if a true famine were to hit now I would expect more as a percentage to be adversely affected because society has become so soft and reliant on others in this modern era.

Rice and bean forts are for the poors.  Get a ribeye steak fort.

Don't know how many times I've seen this picture, but today was when I first noticed she's holding a baby/small child.

Step 1: Build a proper cooking hearth

Having insurance policies provides a safety net. We have them for our home, cars, lives, and other assorted valuables...why not have a small food insurance policy?

I felt like an idiot for a few minutes yesterday after ordering $1,500.00 worth of shelf stable food, Augesan Farms 1 week and 72 hour kits, TP, laundry detergent, dish soap, bleach, and various other items that went bye-bye during the scamdemic.  I don't want to feel like I have to go stand in the Gov line for my cheese.

Next year at this time I will have a HUGE garden with automatic watering.

I just picked up the last load of "stuff" from my brother, including storage food because I'm a "prepper". Moved to western Montana last summer. 2500 mile round trip hauling a trailer. About $900 in gas for that trip. Ouch.

A while back, red or white wheat berries were $9/50LB with $5 shipping. Now a 25lb bag of wheat is $50-60. 50LB bags are running around $80-90. Even with these prices, there's lots of out of stock notices and whatnot. I'm expecting wheat bought in 50LB increments to be over $100, perhaps approaching $125 or even $150 this fall. I may or may not have brought several hundred pounds of wheat back...

Hell, just the garden tiller I picked up from him would have been $800 to replace in this messed up economy, almost paying for the gas for my trip, for a reliable machine I've cared for over the years. (I paid $350 new several years ago. 16" Earthquake CRT tiller).

Long Pig is best pig......

All kidding aside, rice and beans are "staple" foods.... I've spent months in Ecuador and Colombia with friends who have massive stockpiles of rice/beans ..... It's cooked every day, but always accompanied with some sort of meat/vegetable/cheese

2nd week of eating nothing but rice and beans, you'll be cutting farts that will set off fire alarms

Rice is poor substitute for food. Beans are good in moderation. Keto-ish. Meat and fresh veggies are where it's at!

Yes, people did starve. Also, empires only need to crash once. They don't need to have multiple famines first.

I've noticed all the food factories being shut down/burning, the mass cows dying, gates buying up all the farmland should talking about lab grown breast milk and eating bugs, massive wheat shortages, and petroleum sky rocketing. Ww3 is on the horizon, who knows what else is on the horizon.

I've seen a ton of warning on the issue, but can't tell if that's just because I'm caught in some YouTube/website algorithm, or if legit problem is coming.

I just had to have this discussion with my wife again. She's got a mental block with keeping stocks of food around the house.

I keep a full pantry, rotating through the stuff we use, but always keeping the shelves full. I have a cabinet that is nothing but spices and seasoning (and I'm always trying new hot sauces), Stocked, standup commercial grade freezer, and extra refrigerator in addition to what's in the kitchen, and no rice and bean fort (though I do probably have 20 lbs of each).

My wife understands everything else, from firewood, to backup power, to guns, ammo, and NODs, but for some reason having soli food stocks around the house just sets her off.

Everyone I knew that lived through the depression could garden or farm and probably did.

Lots of folks today wouldn’t even if they could.

Completely dependent on the labor of others and supply chain.

A good reason to have some food on hand is to avoid HAVING to go to the government food lines when it may be dangerous/unsafe to do so. Also why having a little gas on hand is helpful. You don't have to go extreme

Also, the past history of the US is not a good indicator. We are much more reliant on a global system than in the past and should a near peer conflict arise could suffer both with embargo and even direct military strikes on our homeland that simply were not possible in past conflicts.

Chiles, man.

Mine is sort of the opposite, lol. I think she's somewhat ok with food because we've got kids now, but it's still a struggle to convince her we need more than just a 5# bag of rice and a couple cans of tuna. Every little bit helps, but I think the bulk of it should be rice/beans with everything else added later as plusses.

Fact.

We were without power for 9 days in that big wind storm of about 2009.

Night one: Built keyhole fire hearth in the back yard. Boiled canning pot of water. Everyone had hot bath.

Day two: Stacked fire wood near the "New kitchen". Set up tripod and grate/grill. Set up solar panels for head light batteries.  

Day 3: Hmm. This may last a while. I didn't have a generator. Never needed one but did have a freezer, so probably should have had one. Pulled all the beef out of the freezer and thawed it to jerk. Started cooking the thawing chickens on a spit and invited neighbors to come eat. Got all the beef sliced and on racks near the fire smoke. Neighbors thought I was Daniel Boone incarnate.

Day 4 on: Thoroughly enjoyed our trip to 18th century living with addition of a couple modern conveniences like headlights. Even stayed away from phones and puters since data wasn't as cheap, then.

Know your enemy.

Leftists always use food as a weapon.  It doesn’t kill as fast as water meaning there is more suffering to force people to surrender.  

We have been swimming in a 5th generation War for years.  Ammo and bandages are only two aspects of the logistics you need to fight for your freedoms.

I like rice and beans but I just dont eat that much of either.

Growing up on the gulf coast and working occasionally in Rice dryers we ate the shit out of rice, and I love it, but it just is not that good for me especially when you add gravy and I do add gravy.

Beans are great to but when you add Ham hocks, bacon, salt pork, or sausage it really is not something you eat weekly.

Cost of 1 PSA rifle will set a family up with a good cushion.

I'll leave it at that because  GD gonna GD when it comes to prep threads.....as I can see by page one.

I don't wanna see my wife or kid suffer..
And if it's buy 12$ a gallon gas to get to work or buy 12$ 2 for 1 green beans
What ya gonna do.

Eat that rice fort...buy gas, make money a survive...


As spices. We grow our own herbs, hot chili's etc.
Salt is or was cheap...and dried spices last a while.

Tony Cs can be purchased in 5 gallon buckets iirc

What'd Hillary blurt out in a town hall years ago on her 1st run...

Control the food you control the people.....

You have a 100,000 chances of taking the other guys food?