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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:15:14 PM EST
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Guaranteed if this was an equally monumental allegation against the right this would be screamed from the rooftops 24/7 and the guilt would be right there. As plain as day. Can’t you see it? Guilt by media and public opinion. Instead we ask if it’s a legitimate source.
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:19:25 PM EST
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For the record, the bureau and DOJ have been spying on judges across the US for decades.
It was discovered via FOIA in the Kenneth Trentadue FOIA requests regarding his brother's murder case, where his body was found beaten and strangled after being picked up by LE looking for John Doe #2 after the OKC bombing. Kenneth Trentadue was an attorney who saw all kinds of problems with the case, and was able to get evidence showing that while in custody, his brother was murdered by Federal agents that applied torture techniques to him thinking he was one of the OKC conspirators. Along the course of his investigation, he learned about a program the Bureau was running called PATCON. PATCON initially started as an effort to get a mildly retarded subject to act as a stooge for them selling stolen night vision from various bases in Texas, in hopes that they would catch militia members and entrap them into a wide dragnet. Nobody was interested other than drug runners, and the program didn't go anywhere. When it came under oversight and annual review from main justice out of D.C., they said WTF! and wanted to shut it down, so PATCON then expanded into other domestic spying operations well outside of Constitutional purview and due process, until it spread into judge's chambers. In order to support FBI and DOJ operations against whistleblowers and other potentially-damaging cases against various political figures, they were able to circumvent the natural progression of those cases by having inside people in those judges chambers. Comey and Mueller are a co-product of that system, as it emerged earlier in their careers. Wake up to your awful state... |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:24:51 PM EST
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If legit, this would explain a lot.
I have zero faith in anything positive happening though. 
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:30:12 PM EST
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For the record, the bureau and DOJ have been spying on judges across the US for decades. It was discovered via FOIA in the Kenneth Trentadue FOIA requests regarding his brother's murder case, where his body was found beaten and strangled after being picked up by LE looking for John Doe #2 after the OKC bombing. Kenneth Trentadue was an attorney who saw all kinds of problems with the case, and was able to get evidence showing that while in custody, his brother was murdered by Federal agents that applied torture techniques to him thinking he was one of the OKC conspirators. Along the course of his investigation, he learned about a program the Bureau was running called PATCON. PATCON initially started as an effort to get a mildly retarded subject to act as a stooge for them selling stolen night vision from various bases in Texas, in hopes that they would catch militia members and entrap them into a wide dragnet. Nobody was interested other than drug runners, and the program didn't go anywhere. When it came under oversight and annual review from main justice out of D.C., they said WTF! and wanted to shut it down, so PATCON then expanded into other domestic spying operations well outside of Constitutional purview and due process, until it spread into judge's chambers. In order to support FBI and DOJ operations against whistleblowers and other potentially-damaging cases against various political figures, they were able to circumvent the natural progression of those cases by having inside people in those judges chambers. Comey and Mueller are a co-product of that system, as it emerged earlier in their careers. Wake up to your awful state... |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:35:00 PM EST
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more pieces of the puzzle fitting together... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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John Roberts you say.. That might explain the flip flop. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:36:33 PM EST
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many politicians over the years have confirmed that they get The Talk from their party leaders once they get elected. It's a slight variation of what you said. It's more like, "if you play ball, you'll get rich, be influential, and get re-elected. If you don't, then nobody will sponsor your bills, no pork goes to your district, you get no funds for your re-election campaign, and you're a one-term loser who goes home in disgrace." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've said for a long time it's like people go to DC, get brought to some smokey room, sat down, then someone tells them the facts of life. This is what we have on you. This is what we can do to you and your family. These are all the good things we'll share if you play ball. If they don't play ball they have an "accident." I have no proof of it, but I suspect the intelligence resources have been used by the swamp for a long time to protect itself. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:40:13 PM EST
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How sad is it that my reaction was "no shit, sherlock?" Wake me up when somebody actually grabs their sack and files charges... |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:40:56 PM EST
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I have felt this way since 2008, but it wasn't quite as in your face as this stuff has become. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who cares? We are powerless and nothing will ever come of it. No longer any sense in worrying about it. Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. Things like this really make the "Fake News" make far more sense than the story we're told by "normal news". Roberts has been suspected ever since that decision, regarding his adoptions and other things prior to that Obamacare ruling. This makes Obamacare decision fit together with observed reality (based on news telling us what happened, and reactions to same), while the 'normal news' will emphatically demand you believe it is not real. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:46:35 PM EST
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The entire obama administrstion are traitors to this nation and should be treated as such. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:48:53 PM EST
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Unless those citizens of this nation that still believe in the rule of law take the law into their own hands none of these people will ever be held accountable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The entire obama administrstion are traitors to this nation and should be treated as such. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:51:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would mean people no longer believe the rule of law is working like it was designed. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:52:32 PM EST
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Obama was balls deep in this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The entire obama administrstion are traitors to this nation and should be treated as such. 
Shit like this and F&F are why we cannot trust the government. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:57:29 PM EST
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Clinton WH shenanigans. I think Eric Holder gained prestige as a fixer in that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the record, the bureau and DOJ have been spying on judges across the US for decades. It was discovered via FOIA in the Kenneth Trentadue FOIA requests regarding his brother's murder case, where his body was found beaten and strangled after being picked up by LE looking for John Doe #2 after the OKC bombing. Kenneth Trentadue was an attorney who saw all kinds of problems with the case, and was able to get evidence showing that while in custody, his brother was murdered by Federal agents that applied torture techniques to him thinking he was one of the OKC conspirators. Along the course of his investigation, he learned about a program the Bureau was running called PATCON. PATCON initially started as an effort to get a mildly retarded subject to act as a stooge for them selling stolen night vision from various bases in Texas, in hopes that they would catch militia members and entrap them into a wide dragnet. Nobody was interested other than drug runners, and the program didn't go anywhere. When it came under oversight and annual review from main justice out of D.C., they said WTF! and wanted to shut it down, so PATCON then expanded into other domestic spying operations well outside of Constitutional purview and due process, until it spread into judge's chambers. In order to support FBI and DOJ operations against whistleblowers and other potentially-damaging cases against various political figures, they were able to circumvent the natural progression of those cases by having inside people in those judges chambers. Comey and Mueller are a co-product of that system, as it emerged earlier in their careers. Wake up to your awful state... Most of the impetus of that happened under Bush Sr.'s tenure, maybe even before, not that Presidents would know what was going on in the labyrinth of Federal bureaucracies. When Clinton came in, the culture from the WH didn't help matters for the Nation though. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 5:08:42 PM EST
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The media did its job on him. He was supposed to have come through with some stuff that was buried. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anything in which Sheriff Joe is involved must be considered highly suspect. At best. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 6:53:38 PM EST
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PATCON predates the Clintons and is more of a case of Federal bureaucracies getting out of control in their own right. Most of the impetus of that happened under Bush Sr.'s tenure, maybe even before, not that Presidents would know what was going on in the labyrinth of Federal bureaucracies. When Clinton came in, the culture from the WH didn't help matters for the Nation though. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 6:59:48 PM EST
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Until people are charged and headed to jail, sadly I cannot care anymore.
As usual these guilty fucks from the Obama administration will skate. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 7:20:16 PM EST
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Exactly. When those at the highest level ignore crimes for political purposes the rule of law is no longer working as designed but it does not mean that the rule of law should be ignored. It just needs others to enforce it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/5/2019 7:35:27 PM EST
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The entire obama administration are traitors to this nation and should be treated as such. I'd volunteer to sit in that jury box. Clinton WOULD have been the unholy continuation and complete implementation of a traitorous corruption that WOULD have toppled the Republic. Thank God Alexander Hamilton was persuasive in argument and the Electoral College process was written into the Constitution and we escaped the tyranny of democracy. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 7:41:05 PM EST
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Posted: 1/5/2019 7:43:18 PM EST
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The entire |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 7:48:42 PM EST
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The corruption is so deep and widespread that if we knew the true extent of it this country would cease to exist. It is close to failing now! |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 7:54:17 PM EST
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The entire obama administrstion are traitors to this nation and should be treated as such. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 8:01:33 PM EST
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Unless the citizens of this nation that still believe in the rule of law take the law into their own hands none of these people will ever be held accountable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The entire obama administrstion are traitors to this nation and should be treated as such. 68 million people vote for dependence on the .gov because freedom is immoral. There is not a single doubt in my mind that holding the dnc and swamp accountable would plung this country into chaos and war. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 8:03:26 PM EST
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Nothing will happen |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 8:10:57 PM EST
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If true I'm surprised it has come to light
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Posted: 1/5/2019 8:58:56 PM EST
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This guy gets it. I promise everyone if you there are two Americas - one America you are held to account and the other you can do as you wish absent recourse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nothing will happen |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 9:15:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think most of believe that the rule of law is working as it was designed, or much else in our government for that matter, but most of us have obligations to families and such as well as morals. It was indeed a grand experiment... just doomed to fail by human nature. While your assessment of human nature has some basis, it has often been countered in history by some/many with a higher moral standard who were willing to risk life and limb. That old saying, "Freedom isn't free", is a fact. When people are no longer willing to stand against a corrupt government, terrorists, despots, or other evils, they forfeit any right to freedom and liberty. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 9:36:01 PM EST
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I kind of get where you're coming from, but thank God our founders didn't have that frame of mind. You mention "morals". I thought fighting against corruption, greed, and even worse was actually a moral stance. While your assessment of human nature has some basis, it has often been countered in history by some/many with a higher moral standard who were willing to risk life and limb. That old saying, "Freedom isn't free", is a fact. When people are no longer willing to stand against a corrupt government, terrorists, despots, or other evils, they forfeit any right to freedom and liberty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I don't think most of believe that the rule of law is working as it was designed, or much else in our government for that matter, but most of us have obligations to families and such as well as morals. It was indeed a grand experiment... just doomed to fail by human nature. While your assessment of human nature has some basis, it has often been countered in history by some/many with a higher moral standard who were willing to risk life and limb. That old saying, "Freedom isn't free", is a fact. When people are no longer willing to stand against a corrupt government, terrorists, despots, or other evils, they forfeit any right to freedom and liberty. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ[/youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 9:40:07 PM EST
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And you people believe this shit???
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Posted: 1/5/2019 10:07:10 PM EST
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I want to know if Obama spied on his opponents in the 2012 election, too. People follow a pattern of behavior, I seriously doubt the Zero waited 8yrs to exploit the national intelligence apparatus for personal/party gain, hence the Chief Justice Roberts revelation. by spying....do you mean by a .gov agency? Or by a 3rd party not necessarily in the employ of the US .gov ? Google's #2 man left google to head Obama's electronic campaign: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/06/obamas-bromance-googles-eric-schmidt-out-hand/352130/ |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 10:40:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maintaining lawful order. It's the most important thing. Keeping "establishment" Establishment. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 10:55:09 PM EST
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welll...that depends.... by spying....do you mean by a .gov agency? Or by a 3rd party not necessarily in the employ of the US .gov ? Google's #2 man left google to head Obama's electronic campaign: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/06/obamas-bromance-googles-eric-schmidt-out-hand/352130/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I want to know if Obama spied on his opponents in the 2012 election, too. People follow a pattern of behavior, I seriously doubt the Zero waited 8yrs to exploit the national intelligence apparatus for personal/party gain, hence the Chief Justice Roberts revelation. by spying....do you mean by a .gov agency? Or by a 3rd party not necessarily in the employ of the US .gov ? Google's #2 man left google to head Obama's electronic campaign: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/06/obamas-bromance-googles-eric-schmidt-out-hand/352130/ 1. Size, Structure and Timing Lets assume a total budget of about $1.5Billion, with more than 5000 paid employees and million(s) of volunteers. The entire startup ceases operation four days after November 8, 2016. The structure includes a Chairman or Chairwoman who is the external face of the campaign and a President who is the executive in charge of objectives, measurements, systems and building and managing the organization. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 11:01:36 PM EST
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And you people believe this shit??? |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 11:03:32 PM EST
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NWH
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Posted: 1/5/2019 11:12:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: many politicians over the years have confirmed that they get The Talk from their party leaders once they get elected. It's a slight variation of what you said. It's more like, "if you play ball, you'll get rich, be influential, and get re-elected. If you don't, then nobody will sponsor your bills, no pork goes to your district, you get no funds for your re-election campaign, and you're a one-term loser who goes home in disgrace." |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 11:22:09 PM EST
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Posted: 1/5/2019 11:25:11 PM EST
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Who cares? We are powerless and nothing will ever come of it. No longer any sense in worrying about it.
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