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Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:12:26 AM EST
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That might save the country if that were to happen, I’ll take one for the team.
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Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:45:55 AM EST
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Once again, the question is what a redistribution of an unknown number of trillion of tons of glacial ice were to be done over a fairly short period of time and what effect that would have on the earth.
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Googled the estimated weight of the earth. Apparently tips the scales at around 13 billion trillion tons. I’m guessing just a few trillion tons shifting around won’t do a whole lot.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:52:50 AM EST
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Fuck it. Release the dinosaurs.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:04:35 AM EST
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Thanks.  Have any good info about how solar/cosmic radiation effect flight crews?
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E-RAD is a new model of aviation radiation from Spaceweather.com and Earth to Sky Calculus. It can predict how much cosmic radiation a passenger will absorb flying on any commercial jet across the USA.

Researchers have long known that cosmic rays penetrate the hulls of commercial aircraft. At typical cruising altitudes, pilots, flight attendants and passengers typically receive a dose rate 40 to 70 times higher than natural radiation on the ground below. The higher a plane flies, the more radiation it receives. This has prompted the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) to classify pilots as occupational radiation workers–just like nuclear power plant engineers.
During a typical polar flight from Chicago to Beijing, for instance, members of the flight crew can receive a whole body exposure equivalent to two chest x-rays. Multiplied over the course of a career, this can cause problems such as increased risk of cancer and possibly cataracts.

http://spaceweather.com/

https://www.radsonaplane.com/the-science

https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/06/15/what-is-e-rad/



https://www.radsonaplane.com/hot-flights
Every day we monitor approximately 1400 flights criss-crossing the 10 busiest routes in the continental USA. Typically, this includes more than 80,000 passengers per day. Using E-RAD, we calculate the radiation exposure coming from cosmic rays for every single flight. The Hot Flights Table is a daily summary of the results.

Our Hot Flights Table shows:

the 5 charter flights with the highest dose rates

the 5 commercial flights with the highest dose rates

the 5 commercial flights with near-average dose rates

the 5 commercial flights with the lowest dose rates.

Daily Hot Flights: January 10, 2019
Ordered by Dose Rate
Top Commercial Flight
Delta 1802 LA to NY
Dose rate 61.2 times that of sea level

Cancer prevalence among flight attendants compared to the general population
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:29:43 AM EST
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White straight males. Who like boobs. And own guns. That's whose fault it is.
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And yet I feel no guilt whatsoever.

Now off to PornHub.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 10:46:05 AM EST
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It is certainly possible.
Just how much ice have we lost up there in say the last 40 years?
Perma-frost loss also?
Is it enough?
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They've said for years that the poles could flip flop.  
Consider this, how many trillions of tons of ice is putting pressure on the earths crust via gravity and the consequences of what would happen if that were to suddenly (relatively) change?

Do you think it would have an impact?

Just a question
It is certainly possible.
Just how much ice have we lost up there in say the last 40 years?
Perma-frost loss also?
Is it enough?
Considering there was a 2+ mile thick layer of ice on North America doing the last 3 glaciations and there's no pole reversal in the rock record during any of the interglacial periods, I think it's fair to say that the isostatic rebound from the puny amount of ice that remains will have absolutely no effect on the mantle and the magnetic poles.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 11:01:18 AM EST
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The pole reversal is not the real issue per se, the fact that since the poles have been reversing(1600's), the Magnetosphere has been weakening faster and faster is the issue. Without a strong Magnetosphere we are subject to space weather that could alter life as we know it, that is the issue!
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 11:35:58 AM EST
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Damn. I need to write some stuff down.
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Might take a while to discover what the squiggly shapes mean.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 11:47:24 AM EST
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E-RAD is a new model of aviation radiation from Spaceweather.com and Earth to Sky Calculus. It can predict how much cosmic radiation a passenger will absorb flying on any commercial jet across the USA.

Researchers have long known that cosmic rays penetrate the hulls of commercial aircraft. At typical cruising altitudes, pilots, flight attendants and passengers typically receive a dose rate 40 to 70 times higher than natural radiation on the ground below. The higher a plane flies, the more radiation it receives. This has prompted the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) to classify pilots as occupational radiation workers–just like nuclear power plant engineers.
During a typical polar flight from Chicago to Beijing, for instance, members of the flight crew can receive a whole body exposure equivalent to two chest x-rays. Multiplied over the course of a career, this can cause problems such as increased risk of cancer and possibly cataracts.

http://spaceweather.com/

https://www.radsonaplane.com/the-science

https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/06/15/what-is-e-rad/

https://spaceweatherarchive.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/eradvreality.png?w=1024

https://www.radsonaplane.com/hot-flights
Every day we monitor approximately 1400 flights criss-crossing the 10 busiest routes in the continental USA. Typically, this includes more than 80,000 passengers per day. Using E-RAD, we calculate the radiation exposure coming from cosmic rays for every single flight. The Hot Flights Table is a daily summary of the results.

Our Hot Flights Table shows:

the 5 charter flights with the highest dose rates

the 5 commercial flights with the highest dose rates

the 5 commercial flights with near-average dose rates

the 5 commercial flights with the lowest dose rates.

Daily Hot Flights: January 10, 2019
Ordered by Dose Rate
Top Commercial Flight
Delta 1802 LA to NY
Dose rate 61.2 times that of sea level

Cancer prevalence among flight attendants compared to the general population
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Thanks.  Have any good info about how solar/cosmic radiation effect flight crews?
E-RAD is a new model of aviation radiation from Spaceweather.com and Earth to Sky Calculus. It can predict how much cosmic radiation a passenger will absorb flying on any commercial jet across the USA.

Researchers have long known that cosmic rays penetrate the hulls of commercial aircraft. At typical cruising altitudes, pilots, flight attendants and passengers typically receive a dose rate 40 to 70 times higher than natural radiation on the ground below. The higher a plane flies, the more radiation it receives. This has prompted the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) to classify pilots as occupational radiation workers–just like nuclear power plant engineers.
During a typical polar flight from Chicago to Beijing, for instance, members of the flight crew can receive a whole body exposure equivalent to two chest x-rays. Multiplied over the course of a career, this can cause problems such as increased risk of cancer and possibly cataracts.

http://spaceweather.com/

https://www.radsonaplane.com/the-science

https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/06/15/what-is-e-rad/

https://spaceweatherarchive.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/eradvreality.png?w=1024

https://www.radsonaplane.com/hot-flights
Every day we monitor approximately 1400 flights criss-crossing the 10 busiest routes in the continental USA. Typically, this includes more than 80,000 passengers per day. Using E-RAD, we calculate the radiation exposure coming from cosmic rays for every single flight. The Hot Flights Table is a daily summary of the results.

Our Hot Flights Table shows:

the 5 charter flights with the highest dose rates

the 5 commercial flights with the highest dose rates

the 5 commercial flights with near-average dose rates

the 5 commercial flights with the lowest dose rates.

Daily Hot Flights: January 10, 2019
Ordered by Dose Rate
Top Commercial Flight
Delta 1802 LA to NY
Dose rate 61.2 times that of sea level

Cancer prevalence among flight attendants compared to the general population
Thanks.  It’s something we don’t like to think about, but should.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 11:56:53 AM EST
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True north is about 15 degrees off from the magnetic north due to huge iron deposits in northern Canada.
Not sure if serious
The declination in the US varies by location. Attachment Attached File
Picture from Magnetic declination explained
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 1:33:22 PM EST
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3 important nifty facts about navigation with a compass:

The main thing you can do with a compass, no matter where it points, so long as it point the same way all the time, is keep a straight course. If you happen to have a topo map, this is nice, too. Lost people tend to wander around in circles. They call that describing a widening gyre.

2. If you wear an analog watch, you can always find true north and calibrate your mag compass to that the next time the sun is up.

3. If you put mercury in a loaf of white bread, like the quality eat, it will float to the body and stop. None of that low-down corn pone

4. Mark Twain is hilarious.

5. If you have no idea what the fuck you are doing and find yourself lost, please stop walking. Those of us on the search teams are pretty good at covering an area, once. Sit your ass the fuck down, please.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 1:47:49 PM EST
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So what would the results be?

No links, no videos, just a quick sentence or two.
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In the near term, more frequent updates of the anomaly maps that are currently produced.  More lost 2LTs on land nav courses using maps with more rapidly outdated magnetic declinations.  
Longer term,  shifting aurora patterns and changes in high energy solar and cosmic ray intensity and patterns.  
Even longer term, really difficult mapping of tectonic position and movements during the Anthropocene by whoever is around to study us.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 1:50:42 PM EST
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Excellent .gif that is worth a bump.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 1:55:18 PM EST
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This is the real reason second lieutenants get lost... They're still using a 1970's map of Columbus with an inaccurate magnetic declination.
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Our maps had a printed 2ºW declination.  At the time we were using them, it was actually 6ºW.  It's now 9ºW for that same location.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:01:04 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:02:12 PM EST
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Too many people in California.  It's getting ready to slide into the Pacific
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:11:43 PM EST
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Our maps had a printed 2ºW declination.  At the time we were using them, it was actually 6ºW.  It's now 9ºW for that same location.
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This is the real reason second lieutenants get lost... They're still using a 1970's map of Columbus with an inaccurate magnetic declination.
Our maps had a printed 2ºW declination.  At the time we were using them, it was actually 6ºW.  It's now 9ºW for that same location.
Pro tip: every time, check the declination today, before embarkation to an AO.

2nd tip: Take the map and note the landmarks, use the compass to keep a straight line.

3. Buy a goddamn sextant and know how to use it.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:17:45 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:18:43 PM EST
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This crisis is bullshit.  Fucking pole-shifting is not nearly as sexy as the SMOD.  How are we going to save the planet by landing a team of oil-drillers on a pole shift?  
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:28:29 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:33:33 PM EST
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Except that such statistics are a preference rate or ratio.


That's exceptionally misleading to the majority of people who don't have at least a smidge of basic statistics knolwedge.

Say that we test 5000 pilots and flight attendants for cancer rates, or even cancer deaths, as compared to 5000 people of similar demographic backgrounds who are on the ground, or at least 99.9% of the time with only occasional airline flights.

And we find that the airline flight employees have a prevelance ratio, or increased incident rate of cancer that's 1.5 over the control group on the ground.

HOLY SHIT 150% MOAR CANCER! ZOMG WTFBBQONEELEVENTY!

Not so fast. The aggregate cancer death rate for all Americans is about 1.6% a 1.5 prevalence rate increase is just 50%. 1.0 is "times one" being even.

Random example: 347 x 1 = 347. 1.5 x 347 = 520.5

So in reality it's a 50% increase in that baseline cancer death rate of 1.6%. So now it's 2.4% , or just an .8% increase in overall cancer death.

If I were to actually age sort the control group of the ground based people for the age ranges that actually have airline flight jobs, instead of everybody. i.e.  newborns to 100 years old,  the increase is even lower, around .5% higher odds of there being more cancer in your future than some ground-based person.
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During a typical polar flight from Chicago to Beijing, for instance, members of the flight crew can receive a whole body exposure equivalent to two chest x-rays. Multiplied over the course of a career, this can cause problems such as increased risk of cancer and possibly cataracts.
Except that such statistics are a preference rate or ratio.


That's exceptionally misleading to the majority of people who don't have at least a smidge of basic statistics knolwedge.

Say that we test 5000 pilots and flight attendants for cancer rates, or even cancer deaths, as compared to 5000 people of similar demographic backgrounds who are on the ground, or at least 99.9% of the time with only occasional airline flights.

And we find that the airline flight employees have a prevelance ratio, or increased incident rate of cancer that's 1.5 over the control group on the ground.

HOLY SHIT 150% MOAR CANCER! ZOMG WTFBBQONEELEVENTY!

Not so fast. The aggregate cancer death rate for all Americans is about 1.6% a 1.5 prevalence rate increase is just 50%. 1.0 is "times one" being even.

Random example: 347 x 1 = 347. 1.5 x 347 = 520.5

So in reality it's a 50% increase in that baseline cancer death rate of 1.6%. So now it's 2.4% , or just an .8% increase in overall cancer death.

If I were to actually age sort the control group of the ground based people for the age ranges that actually have airline flight jobs, instead of everybody. i.e.  newborns to 100 years old,  the increase is even lower, around .5% higher odds of there being more cancer in your future than some ground-based person.
Chest Xrays in 1910, or Chest Xrays now? How does it compare to shoe-store fluoroscopes?
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:34:56 PM EST
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I look at how it was and how they say it will be. Man I got the best time period of all. What luck.
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Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:51:32 PM EST
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Once again, the question is what a redistribution of an unknown number of trillion of tons of glacial ice were to be done over a fairly short period of time and what effect that would have on the earth.
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Wait, ice is magnetic?
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:51:47 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/11/2019 2:52:15 PM EST
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It has changed for 4 billion years and will keep changing... next.
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Wait, ice is magnetic?
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Plastic Comb bending Water!
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:18:50 PM EST
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People need to remember a physical topo map and compass are important.  Batteries/power aren't unlimited and always available.   An extra 8 oz isn't going to end it all.    A 24k topo map and compass is how I et around once I'm in the area, it's faster than the phone or GPS, doesn't emit light, sound, etc.    Phone/tablet maps are cool between outings, but when looking around, it's a lot easier to draw on a topo map where you've seen signs of the animals you're looking for, which landmarks are easiest to see, guesstimating how steep the ravine you'll need to cross is if you take the shot, etc.

Plus, a Topo map marked up that way after a hunt or even a backpacking trip is an awesome wallhanger to go with photos or a mount.   Useful when going back to same area a few years later, saves time by comparing what changed.

More people need to know how to properly fold a map to show their immediate area in a small package, and use a compass.   Tablet/phone/GPS should be a convenient addition to navigation skills, not the sole source.    Spend a little money for a 100k of the big area you're going to, and a custom 24k of the 8x11 mile specific area at $20 each for full size 2'x3' maps.   Learn how to use just a compass and map to plan and navigate.

Learn Orienteering, it's a fading skill now that the schools aren't showing it, let alone cub/boy scouts common anymore.
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You gits it. You're welcome to my bunker after the SHTF. You haz usefule skillz.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:25:03 PM EST
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Trump's fault?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00007-1

On 15 January, they are set to update the World Magnetic Model, which describes the planet’s magnetic field and underlies all modern navigation, from the systems that steer ships at sea to Google Maps on smartphones.
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The creation of the GPS system (and similar Russian systems) is how long distance navigation is done now.
It has nothing to do with the magnetic field.

The field has also been weakening for many years now for unknown reasons.

While we can extract field reversals from older rocks the resolution is not there to determine how long the field actually takes to flip.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:30:48 PM EST
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@brass

My mag compass has a declinometer which is great for long shots. My sextant is not certified for navigation, but I tried it it out for shits and giggles and it's within a degree, and was less than 40$.

Lemme see...
Here we go.
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Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:35:52 PM EST
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And, you should all know know this:Why analog is best in a watch
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:44:56 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:45:22 PM EST
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Nautical miles are 6000 feet instead of 5280 feet mainly to make the math easy, like assuming a horse is a sphere, but it turns out it works, too. One minute of arc is 900 miles and one second is 15. 6000 foot nautical miles.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:50:40 PM EST
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BUT mUh FlAt EaRtH!
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:53:29 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/11/2019 3:55:13 PM EST
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Nice gear!  *other than keyboard*

I have a compass similar to that, one is tritium that's getting dim, the other has some long glow phosphors glow in dark.  Crosshair and mirror (lensatic) are requirements if trying to find exact location, instead of guess within 1 mile-ish.   I have a strong love for topo maps, gotten many from mytopo.com in waterproof far cheaper than I can print them that large myself for.   I also have all the topo files in several formats from GIS, Garmin, and Delorme if I want to print a 8x10 page one to show somebody directions.    GIS is coolest, but can get expensive if very recent data is desired, isn't as user friendly as DeLorme, they all have pros and cons, though.  GIS I tend to add too much and clutter it to death.

Problem with sextant is The Book needed to say what time it's supposed to be where you are supposed to be.   Why a non-pendulum clock was important for open ocean navigation which I can't do at all.   Closest thing I have to a sextant is "Sky View" app on my phone.  

Are you also demanding about time?  All clocks in house must tick to the next minute at the exact same second?   The only one in my house not radio set is the oven, I have a well managed NTP server cluster and WWVB data weak RF transmitter for exact time within microseconds to set everything in the house, got tired of near wall ones and watches not getting signal.
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My mag compass has a declinometer which is great for long shots. My sextant is not certified for navigation, but I tried it it out for shits and giggles and it's within a degree, and was less than 40$.

Lemme see...
Here we go.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/468293/sextant_jpg-804147.JPG

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/468293/compass_jpg-804152.JPG
Nice gear!  *other than keyboard*

I have a compass similar to that, one is tritium that's getting dim, the other has some long glow phosphors glow in dark.  Crosshair and mirror (lensatic) are requirements if trying to find exact location, instead of guess within 1 mile-ish.   I have a strong love for topo maps, gotten many from mytopo.com in waterproof far cheaper than I can print them that large myself for.   I also have all the topo files in several formats from GIS, Garmin, and Delorme if I want to print a 8x10 page one to show somebody directions.    GIS is coolest, but can get expensive if very recent data is desired, isn't as user friendly as DeLorme, they all have pros and cons, though.  GIS I tend to add too much and clutter it to death.

Problem with sextant is The Book needed to say what time it's supposed to be where you are supposed to be.   Why a non-pendulum clock was important for open ocean navigation which I can't do at all.   Closest thing I have to a sextant is "Sky View" app on my phone.  

Are you also demanding about time?  All clocks in house must tick to the next minute at the exact same second?   The only one in my house not radio set is the oven, I have a well managed NTP server cluster and WWVB data weak RF transmitter for exact time within microseconds to set everything in the house, got tired of near wall ones and watches not getting signal.
My Man pit is foul with clutter.

My clocks are 24hr dial Quartz. One is local, one is set to Greenwich mean Zulu. My watch is a solar atomic 200 meter Gshock analog with digital complications.


Here's the house clocks.
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The breakthrough in navigation wasn't about cartography and so on, it was accurate time keeping. A sextant is absolutely useless if you don't know what time or day it is fairly accurately.
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 4:04:38 PM EST
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Rome and Ancient Greece didn't have the television, media or, Internet. We are under a global change.

George bush Sr. Said it himself on TV. They want a new world order.
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Let us all repent and ask for forgiveness. This is the beginning...
They say every generation thinks the end is near. But you have to think, has homosexuality, pedophelia, drug use, and other evil ever been promoted as normal like it is now? Worldwide, tv, media, music, magazines. Everything evil is now being shown as being good. And faith, marriage, and Christianity is bad.

And I'm not a very religious person. It's just obvious.
Rome? Ancient Greece?
Rome and Ancient Greece didn't have the television, media or, Internet. We are under a global change.

George bush Sr. Said it himself on TV. They want a new world order.
You have heard of the Cold War, right?
Link Posted: 1/12/2019 10:15:38 AM EST
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Red Sun Rising - Deathwish (Official Music Video)
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Reminds me of this near tragedy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osigyT3hbxo

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Woman on phone wanting to be recued from a cornfield maze....

911 dispatcher "Can I talk to your husband?"
Link Posted: 1/12/2019 10:39:27 AM EST
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It's Toxic Magnetism. We've got to learn to resist it. I suggest signs bringing people's attention to this threat.
Link Posted: 1/12/2019 10:53:13 AM EST
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Could the extraction of iron ore from Earth's crust possibly effect the magnetic field? You have all this iron in the crust. you take it out and make stuff with it. That redistributes the iron to other areas increasing the amount of iron in the receiving areas while decreasing the amount in the mining areas.

No knowledge about magnets, magnetic fields, or geology here, just wondering.
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Didn't read all 5 pages, don't know if this has been brought up, but Earths magnetic poles shift about every 100k years. They know this by looking at rock formations and the way metal like iron line up in them. We are over due for another shift.

Compass's will point South when that happens instead of North.

Always has happened always will happen.

No idea what effect this has on things like weather, but this combined with changes in the Earth's elliptical orbit (it gets elongated over time like a stretching rubber band, then pulls back over hundreds of thousands of years)... probably what causes the ice ages to start and end. We are at the very end of the last ice age.

So of course its going to warm for a while for those pushing the man-made global warming scam.
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Didn't read all 5 pages, don't know if this has been brought up, but Earths magnetic poles shift about every 100k years. They know this by looking at rock formations and the way metal like iron line up in them. We are over due for another shift.

Compass's will point South when that happens instead of North.

Always has happened always will happen.

No idea what effect this has on things like weather, but this combined with changes in the Earth's elliptical orbit (it gets elongated over time like a stretching rubber band, then pulls back over hundreds of thousands of years)... probably what causes the ice ages to start and end. We are at the very end of the last ice age.

So of course its going to warm for a while for those pushing the man-made global warming scam.
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I guess now there's evidence that shows every few thousand years it will turn 45-90 degrees, and then hops back. Supposedly still causes some calamity. Maybe that's what we're getting?

It's odd that thousands of years ago the Israelis reported having a day with four extra hours of light, and the same time the Chinese say they had 4 extra hours of darkness...
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Who ate your Chipotle?


TC
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TC
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