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Posted: 9/17/2019 2:25:30 PM EDT

The United States today filed a lawsuit against Edward Snowden, a former employee of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and contractor for the National Security Agency (NSA), who published a book entitled Permanent Record in violation of the non-disclosure agreements he signed with both CIA and NSA. From a report:
The lawsuit alleges that Snowden published his book without submitting it to the agencies for pre-publication review, in violation of his express obligations under the agreements he signed. Additionally, the lawsuit alleges that Snowden has given public speeches on intelligence-related matters, also in violation of his non-disclosure agreements. The United States' lawsuit does not seek to stop or restrict the publication or distribution of Permanent Record. Rather, under well-established Supreme Court precedent, Snepp v. United States, the government seeks to recover all proceeds earned by Snowden because of his failure to submit his publication for pre-publication review in violation of his alleged contractual and fiduciary obligations.

The lawsuit also names as nominal defendants the corporate entities involved in publishing Snowden's book. The United States is suing the publisher solely to ensure that no funds are transferred to Snowden, or at his direction, while the court resolves the United States' claims. Snowden is currently living outside of the United States. "Intelligence information should protect our nation, not provide personal profit," said G. Zachary Terwilliger, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. "This lawsuit will ensure that Edward Snowden receives no monetary benefits from breaching the trust placed in him."

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https://news.slashdot.org/story/19/09/17/1731234/united-states-files-civil-lawsuit-against-edward-snowden

United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden (justice.gov)

Posted: 9/17/2019 2:49:59 PM EDT

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Good

Posted: 9/17/2019 2:57:24 PM EDT

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"This lawsuit will ensure that Edward Snowden receives no monetary benefits from breaching the trust placed in him."

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Lack of self-awareness here, Uncle Sam.

Snowden is an American hero.

Posted: 9/17/2019 3:28:43 PM EDT

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Man, I don't think they thought this through....opening doors best left closed.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:21:03 PM EDT

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Not sure what you mean.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:22:26 PM EDT

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Yeah, Fuck US citizens. Spy on everything.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:25:38 PM EDT

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Actually it's stupid, but if you think Uncle Sam is the good guy here than nothing else matters.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:28:43 PM EDT

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Actually it's stupid, but if you think Uncle Sam is the good guy here than nothing else matters.

Kinda hard to root for the “good guy” who fled to Russia

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:29:26 PM EDT

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Actually it's stupid, but if you think Uncle Sam is the good guy here than nothing else matters.

Kinda hard to root for the “good guy” who fled to Russia

There it is.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:30:27 PM EDT

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The agencies that lied to us for decades about violating our rights, even going so far as to lie under oath repeatedly say Snowden is a bad guy and a spy.

Alleged bad guy and spy claims innocence, releases shitloads of data on spying on US citizens illegally others release corraborating data on that as well as extrajudicial killings....

Who to believe...

Too bad we don't have any agencies we can believe in anymore since they have violated our sacred trust.

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Honk Honk.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:30:30 PM EDT

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Yeah, Fuck US citizens. Spy on everything.

Anyone who thinks Snowden did the wrong thing is a partner to tyranny and deserves to hang next to those who perpetrated it.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:31:12 PM EDT

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Do we have to do this again? Fuck Snowden!!

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:32:01 PM EDT

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His choices were:

A) Stay and get sent to Club Fed: PMITA Acres, and/or possibly get disappeared
Or B) Run to wherever would hide him.

Which would you choose, assuming you have no family?

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:32:04 PM EDT

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double

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:32:06 PM EDT

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Kinda hard to root for the “good guy” who fled to Russia

I’m not necessarily disagreeing but what options do you think he had? The abuse by our government that he revealed says a lot as well.

Let’s face the fact that our government is illegally surveilling its population what he did is a drop in the bucket by comparison.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:32:09 PM EDT

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Only after other, non-nuclear nations withdrew asylum offers under US political pressure.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:32:36 PM EDT

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Ha ha ha

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:34:20 PM EDT

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I hope they bankrupt the smarmy traitor.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:35:04 PM EDT

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Lol, he'll get his money. Do they think they can control overseas commerce too? I must have missed that one, the "international commerce clause" power hungry .Gov gonna power hungry .Gov

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:35:37 PM EDT

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Lack of self-awareness here, Uncle Sam.

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Heroes get medals, the maggot has a cell waiting for him.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:36:12 PM EDT

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Two distinct sides on this.... This thread is going to get good.

Time to sit back with some popcorn and watch the fireworks.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:36:19 PM EDT

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I'd love to see an open and honest trial for this guy. It will never happen, but it would be nice to actually see the real evidence.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:38:20 PM EDT

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Defected.

Precision in language.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:38:37 PM EDT

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Had he submitted the manuscript would they have even responded?

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:38:44 PM EDT

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You mean like the US Govt spying on law abiding citizens?

Sorry, the .gov has breached its agreement with the citizens.

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Posted: 9/17/2019 4:39:25 PM EDT

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FFS, I didn't say root for him or Russia. Do you even understand the matter?

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:40:42 PM EDT

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What was he going to do? Go to a FIVEYES Country? He’d be dead by now. Assange was lucky the Ecuadorians held out as long as they did.

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Posted: 9/17/2019 4:40:49 PM EDT

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Two distinct sides on this.... This thread is going to get good.

Time to sit back with some popcorn and watch the fireworks.

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Posted: 9/17/2019 4:41:02 PM EDT

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Posted: 9/17/2019 4:41:06 PM EDT

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Lol, he'll get his money. Do they think they can control overseas commerce too? I must have missed that one, the "international commerce clause" power hungry .Gov gonna power hungry .Gov

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Actually they do! You owe the gubmint income tax on all income. Doesn't matter if it wasn't made here, and you've lived in East Bumfuckistan for twenty years, you still owe Uncle Sugar his cut.

Two countries do this... Us and Eritrea. We are comparable to a third world shithole in this regard.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:42:01 PM EDT

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Feel free to try bud.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:42:08 PM EDT

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It'll be the same thing as every other thread.

Person 1: You're a piece of shit useful idiot for not saying this guy is a traitor.

Person 2: How do you know he's a traitor?

Person 1: Because he gave all kinds of intel to our enemies.

Person 2: How do you know?

Person 1: Because the government told me so.

Person 2: Is there any proof other than people with vested interests and horrible track records of truthfulness telling you this happened?

Person 1: You're a piece of shit useful idiot for not saying this guy is a traitor.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:43:03 PM EDT

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I'd love to see an open and honest trial for this guy. It will never happen, but it would be nice to actually see the real evidence.

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See that's the problem. The NSA can easily fabricate any evidence they want at any time because they are a massive, unaccountable signals intel agency with excruciating secrecy and vast resources.

Now that we know what they have been up to and that they hold files on every American ala Cold War East Germany, and the fact that they lied abou this for decades, any evidence they have is suspect. They have lost all credibility.

The sacred trust has ben broken. That isn't Snowdens fault, it's the NSAs fault. the American people are the real casualties here. Not even so much as an apology from the NSA, the IC or anyone else and a continuance of the surveillance.

Total slap in the face.

Who am I more pissed at? The NSA.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:44:33 PM EDT

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Never going to happen.

Law360 (April 26, 2019, 7:39 PM EDT) -- A California federal judge has dismissed a long-running proposed class action over the National Security Agency's alleged unlawful mass surveillance of millions of Americans, saying the challengers couldn't show any injury and that there was no way to move forward with the case without risking national security.

https://www.law360.com/articles/1153791/national-security-concerns-halt-nsa-dragnet-suit

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:44:52 PM EDT

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Anyone who thinks Snowden did the wrong thing is a partner to tyranny and deserves to hang next to those who perpetrated it.

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He broke the law, betrayed his country, and now cowers in hiding in Russia. Anyone who thinks he did right is aiding a traitor. There ya go.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:44:53 PM EDT

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His choices were:

A) Stay and get sent to Club Fed: PMITA Acres, and/or possibly get disappeared
Or B) Run to wherever would hide him.

Which would you choose, assuming you have no family?

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question: will there be conjugal visits in this prison?

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:46:05 PM EDT

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I hope they bankrupt the smarmy traitor.

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I get his method of going about it wasnt the best but how is what he did / exposed bad?

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:46:26 PM EDT

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He made a coward's choice and chose treason.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:47:42 PM EDT

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He made a coward's choice and chose treason.

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Guy exposes illegal government activities, lies and over reach and you hate him... Yeah, we know what side your on.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:47:59 PM EDT

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Discovery will be a stone cold bitch here.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:48:27 PM EDT

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I’m not necessarily disagreeing but what options do you think he had? The abuse by our government that he revealed says a lot as well.

Let’s face the fact that our government is illegally surveilling its population what he did is a drop in the bucket by comparison.

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Two wrongs don't make a right. Be honest, we all knew it was happening before he chose to be a traitor.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:50:48 PM EDT

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Someday this will be Snowden's fate: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Assange-to-remain-in-prison-indefinitely-pending-extradition/5-2255315/?r=-1&page=1&anc=bottom#bottom

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:51:07 PM EDT

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There won't be any.

The case is open and shut contract law. He signed a document stating he knew he was obligated by law to submit publications for review prior to publication. He chose to break that law on purpose and in public. There's nothing to discover.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:51:31 PM EDT

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Snowden is a hero.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:51:54 PM EDT

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So, your saying you had prior knowledge of a crime against the united states and its citizens and did nothing to stop it? Who is really the traitor?

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:53:04 PM EDT

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It'll be the same thing as every other thread.

Person 1: You're a piece of shit useful idiot for not saying this guy is a traitor.

Person 2: How do you know he's a traitor?

Person 1: Because he gave all kinds of intel to our enemies.

Person 2: How do you know?

Person 1: Because the government told me so.

Person 2: Is there any proof other than people with vested interests and horrible track records of truthfulness telling you this happened?

Person 1: You're a piece of shit useful idiot for not saying this guy is a traitor.

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HAHA that is what makes these threads entertaining. It is essentially a pissing contest and it hilarious the sides people choose. I refuse to take a side I trust neither and think for myself.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:53:50 PM EDT

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Snowden did A LOT of damage to our guys in the field. Our side lost good men (our own and allies) because of how he did the data dump. He let it go with all the care and discretion of Stalin or Mao...

I am all for exposing the bad. DO NOT put innocents in the line of fire to do it.

Fuck Snowden.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:54:29 PM EDT

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You will be conjugally visited by Bubba every hour on the hour.

Posted: 9/17/2019 4:55:03 PM EDT

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Never going to happen.

https://www.law360.com/articles/1153791/national-security-concerns-halt-nsa-dragnet-suit

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I'd love to see an open and honest trial for this guy. It will never happen, but it would be nice to actually see the real evidence.

Never going to happen.

Law360 (April 26, 2019, 7:39 PM EDT) -- A California federal judge has dismissed a long-running proposed class action over the National Security Agency's alleged unlawful mass surveillance of millions of Americans, saying the challengers couldn't show any injury and that there was no way to move forward with the case without risking national security.

https://www.law360.com/articles/1153791/national-security-concerns-halt-nsa-dragnet-suit

One of the reasons I'm not surprised he fled. Even if he turns out to be some squeaky clean whistleblower(which is highly doubtful), he has no chance at a fair trial if he ever comes back.

You also know the politicians and bureaucrats that put this plan in place were going to make sure he disappeared if he stuck around.

So much bullshit all around.