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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:01:05 AM EDT
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IBTP
He is mostly bad guy. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:08:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Exposing our corrupt government is a good thing. He's a good guy. In before the fireworks.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:10:01 AM EDT
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:10:10 AM EDT
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He's opened the closet doors on corruption. I like that.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:10:39 AM EDT
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He never paid me back the $20 I loaned him. So, bad guy.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:12:53 AM EDT
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I am neither Democrat nor Republican, but Bernie Sanders is in my opinion the most fundamentally decent man in politics. His life-long struggle for a more equitable society is a reminder of how far we have come—and a challenge to complete the journey.
. . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . If ANY other person on the planet said THIS: ...ARFCOM would virtue-signal and say "Bad Guy." But he is forgiven for being a supporter of Communists, AND for stealing secrets and defecting to Russia. 
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:14:17 AM EDT
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:27:24 AM EDT
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Yes.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:29:17 AM EDT
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Exposing our corrupt government is a good thing. He's a good guy. In before the fireworks. What Snowden did had to get done. The problem is that it's still fucking going on. They're still spying on Americans without a court order. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:31:33 AM EDT
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We are in the majority, but that's not why we're right. What Snowden did had to get done. The problem is that it's still fucking going on. They're still spying on Americans without a court order. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exposing our corrupt government is a good thing. He's a good guy. In before the fireworks. What Snowden did had to get done. The problem is that it's still fucking going on. They're still spying on Americans without a court order. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:34:03 AM EDT
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What other countries could he have ran too? Pretty sure the good ones ha e extradition in place.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:41:02 AM EDT
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I haven't completely made up my mind on him yet but it definitely does not help his case that he has anything positive to say about Bernie Sanders.
And although he acknowledges that Obama did a lot of shitty things, he seems to come up a little short on condemning him. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:41:48 AM EDT
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Scum.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:46:17 AM EDT
[#14]
His actions are the actions of a traitor. He did not whistleblow on documents he was properly accessed to. He stole usernames and passwords from others, then used that to gain access and download as much information as he could touch. Then he released all of that classified information.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:48:53 AM EDT
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:50:14 AM EDT
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Regardless of what he gave to China and Russia and whoever else, Americans needed to know what their government was doing.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 12:13:31 PM EDT
[#17]
He’s a fucking traitor.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 12:16:49 PM EDT
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We are in the majority, but that's not why we're right. What Snowden did had to get done. The problem is that it's still fucking going on. They're still spying on Americans without a court order. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exposing our corrupt government is a good thing. He's a good guy. In before the fireworks. What Snowden did had to get done. The problem is that it's still fucking going on. They're still spying on Americans without a court order. It amazes me that jack shit has been done regarding the mass surveillance since 2013 leak. I really shouldn’t be shocked though. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:03:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. It amazes me that jack shit has been done regarding the mass surveillance since 2013 leak. I really shouldn’t be shocked though. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:07:04 PM EDT
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I'd volunteer to sell beer at his public execution.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:12:26 PM EDT
[#21]
Him exposing it was worth doing.
Is he a pos? Obviously. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:15:29 PM EDT
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I liked my Snowden poll choices better. Looks like either polls disappear from archived threads, or else some admin manually deleted it because of butthurt.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:19:04 PM EDT
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I liked my Snowden poll choices better. Looks like either polls disappear from archived threads, or else some admin manually deleted it because of butthurt.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:21:42 PM EDT
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Him exposing it was worth doing. Is he a pos? Obviously. He needs to be punished for the data breaches, commended for revealing the depth of the corruption. I'm thankfully not in a position to have to decide how to balance these things. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:26:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, he brings up the fact that he didn't chose to be in Russia, he's stuck there. The US gov cancelled his passport while he was on his way through Russia to another country. He can't leave without a US passport. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:26:44 PM EDT
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who knows who he is ultimately working for
certainly muddied up a lot of water regardless |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:29:03 PM EDT
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who knows who he is ultimately working for He seems to be receiving an income. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:31:23 PM EDT
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After listening to the podcast:
Guy is a self centered prick. But I’m glad he exposed what he did. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:40:44 PM EDT
[#29]
A traitorous fuck.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:41:34 PM EDT
[#30]
The real answer is "What does it matter?"
I doubt he's a "good guy" or anything close. I am glad that the information regarding spying was leaked to the government. Many gov people should go to jail, if for no other reason, then criminal levels of negligence for putting him in to that position. While I don't believe everything in the report(s), especially self-serving parts, I do believe the gov's vetting process is probably that fucked up. I also believe those that put the spying in place should be out of the government, and some put in jail for such a gross violation of the Constitution. I'll admit, I only made it through a few pages of the report, so far. I was so mad that I had to quit reading it. So many red flags if true. The only way, to me, to decide his guilt or innocence is a public trial. That won't happen, so see my first line. We'll likely never really know or many will be skeptics. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:43:07 PM EDT
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Actually, he brings up the fact that he didn't chose to be in Russia, he's stuck there. The US gov cancelled his passport while he was on his way through Russia to another country. He can't leave without a US passport. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy. Then he intentionally went to Russia. They are known for being friendly, generous, and letting just anyone walk away without regard to the thousands of classified documents they illicitly brought with them. Really, he had no intention of getting stuck in Russia with THOUSANDS of classified documents that the Russians would HAPPILY pay him for. While I can appreciate that he pointed out the violation of our rights, it actually didn't change anything. He ran off with enough classified documents to set himself up for life when he sold them to the enemies of the US. I would pull the trigger on his execution. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:44:33 PM EDT
[#32]
Hero/patriot for what he did
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:45:34 PM EDT
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:46:45 PM EDT
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Well... He lives in Russia as a guest of the Russian FSB. He seems to be receiving and income. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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who knows who he is ultimately working for He seems to be receiving and income. Once again, the only way to know is a trial. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:48:00 PM EDT
[#35]
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His actions are the actions of a traitor. He did not whistleblow on documents he was properly accessed to. He stole usernames and passwords from others, then used that to gain access and download as much information as he could touch. Then he released all of that classified information. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:49:29 PM EDT
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I don't think he is a good guy, and I don't know enough to know if he could have leaked the corruption without leaking valuable secrets.
But his exposure of the corruption was good. Although he did a lot of damage to do that one good thing. It does not appear as if he did what he did for the right reasons. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:49:51 PM EDT
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He chose to go to Hong Kong. Under the control of the Chinese. Do you really think they let him leave without some quid pro quo? Then he intentionally went to Russia. They are known for being friendly, generous, and letting just anyone walk away without regard to the thousands of classified documents they illicitly brought with them. Really, he had no intention of getting stuck in Russia with THOUSANDS of classified documents that the Russians would HAPPILY pay him for. While I can appreciate that he pointed out the violation of our rights, it actually didn't change anything. He ran off with enough classified documents to set himself up for life when he sold them to the enemies of the US. I would pull the trigger on his execution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy. Then he intentionally went to Russia. They are known for being friendly, generous, and letting just anyone walk away without regard to the thousands of classified documents they illicitly brought with them. Really, he had no intention of getting stuck in Russia with THOUSANDS of classified documents that the Russians would HAPPILY pay him for. While I can appreciate that he pointed out the violation of our rights, it actually didn't change anything. He ran off with enough classified documents to set himself up for life when he sold them to the enemies of the US. I would pull the trigger on his execution. May want to check again. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:58:18 PM EDT
[#38]
He'll have an accident. Suddenly. And I won't shed a tear.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An argument could be made that he had few choices on where to go, or who to go to with his information. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:09:37 PM EDT
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:12:38 PM EDT
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The only place free from a superpower government is an opposing nuclear power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:14:51 PM EDT
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There was very little he disclosed that foreign intelligence agencies weren't already aware of. Regular people were the only ones who didn't know. Because every first world intelligence agency does the same things.
Some of the stuff involving federal law enforcement agencies using NSA, and the phone companies, to spy on Americans in what can only be described as massive fishing operations, probably needed to be exposed. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:19:14 PM EDT
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Yes, now that he lives in Russia, under the care and feeding of the FSB, he no longer has to worry about an intrusive Police State. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:21:16 PM EDT
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Epstein doesn't have to worry about anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, now that he lives in Russia, under the care and feeding of the FSB, he no longer has to worry about an intrusive Police State. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:39:49 PM EDT
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A terrible argument. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: An argument could be made that he had few choices on where to go, or who to go to with his information. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:42:36 PM EDT
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FES. He is the definition of traitor.
Sure, he exposed bad BUT even if it was all good, he would have exposed that, too. He deserves the punishment that comes to traitors during wartime. Execution. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:43:04 PM EDT
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I'd love to see it argued in a courtroom, but we never will... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:43:14 PM EDT
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He broke laws but exposed how the government systematically violated our 4th.
He kind of a Robin Hood character. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:46:29 PM EDT
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I am neither Democrat nor Republican, but Bernie Sanders is in my opinion the most fundamentally decent man in politics. His life-long struggle for a more equitable society is a reminder of how far we have comeand a challenge to complete the journey. . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . If ANY other person on the planet said THIS: ...ARFCOM would virtue-signal and say "Bad Guy." But he is forgiven for being a supporter of Communists, AND for stealing secrets and defecting to Russia.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:53:01 PM EDT
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so you like the idea of the government spying on you for "because we can" https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/222154/50DE4465-4563-4A47-9CEB-EF92179A28A0_jpeg-1137213.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am neither Democrat nor Republican, but Bernie Sanders is in my opinion the most fundamentally decent man in politics. His life-long struggle for a more equitable society is a reminder of how far we have comeand a challenge to complete the journey. . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . If ANY other person on the planet said THIS: ...ARFCOM would virtue-signal and say "Bad Guy." But he is forgiven for being a supporter of Communists, AND for stealing secrets and defecting to Russia. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/222154/50DE4465-4563-4A47-9CEB-EF92179A28A0_jpeg-1137213.JPG |
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