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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:39:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The smartest thing to do would be to manufacture small, high performance drones and use them as fighters. One could even take the old D-21 drone (it doesn't have to be that fast, so no need for a titanium body) and viola! You've got something in the field that's somewhat effective to buy you time, which is really expensive. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:45:35 PM EDT
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If we told a contractor "Build me a new fighter" it would be pretty fast.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:47:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This country culturally isn’t in a position to survive a war that is going badly. Probably not, even if the aggressors were entities who had explicitly stated that they wanted to exterminate the human race in the most horrific way possible they would probably find plenty of traitors in the population to go along with their plans. Sustaining an operational jet fighter is an expensive and difficult prospect in the best of times. If say, some bunch of dudes have blown up most of the petroleum infrastructure in your area then you probably aren't in a position to fly anything. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:56:37 PM EDT
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The ultimate cause of our failure was a simple one: despite all statements to the contrary, it was not due to lack of bravery on the part of our men, or to any fault of the Fleet's. We were defeated by one thing only - by the inferior science of our enemies. I repeat - by the inferior science of our enemies. When the war opened we had no doubt of our ultimate victory. The combined fleets of our allies greatly exceeded in number and armament those which the enemy could muster against us, and in almost all branches of military science we were their superiors. We were sure that we could maintain this superiority. Our belief proved, alas, to be only too well founded. Given time, we might even have overcome these difficulties, but the enemy ships were already attacking in thousands with weapons which now seemed centuries behind those that we had invented. Our magnificent Fleet, crippled by our own science, fought on as best it could until it was overwhelmed and forced to surrender. Superiority Just make more 15s, 16s and 18s. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:57:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess its difficult to think of a scenario like this since our fighters are so advanced over other nations and it takes so long to develop them. Maybe a better question is how fast could we ramp up f35 production and pilots. Could we make 2000 of each per year? Right now were making 156 per year. Along with all the supporting logistics. 2000 a year?! Your scale may be off, bro. Russia has less than 4K aircraft of ALL types. Just glanced...only 650 Mig 29s, as an example. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:21:09 PM EDT
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 The average production rate of the F-4 in St. Louis was about 200 aircraft per year from 1958 to 1979. The peak was an airplane every day.There are more F-4's in this 1 million square foot building than the entire current annual production of F-35 of just over 150 airplanes. Expansion of production is possible by dispersing to new locations, and likely difficult to support with basic materials and even fasteners. Assemblers, too. Darkening the skies with modern F-15's is not the worst idea. A suite of updated aircraft (F-16's, F-15's, even nasty F-18E/F/G's) that can truly share information would be tough to crack. An all out war will start with a barrage of cruise missiles carrying explosives and I hope high energy weapons that effectively disables every critical electronic device. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:18:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think at the height of WWII, student pilots had holidays and weekends off? And those infamous training holidays like the day after thanksgiving and the month of December where staffing goes to half strength? Yes, and there were more fatalities in stateside training than there were in the combat theaters. Worse than that, it was simply the minimum required, it was not effective training in any way whatsoever. Not a good model for what we should do again should such a dire need occur. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:30:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We would just crank out F-15s, F-16s, F/A-18s and F-35s. And then you Googled "tuscon aircraft boneyard" 
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:02:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2000 a year?! Your scale may be off, bro. Russia has less than 4K aircraft of ALL types. Just glanced...only 650 Mig 29s, as an example. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guess its difficult to think of a scenario like this since our fighters are so advanced over other nations and it takes so long to develop them. Maybe a better question is how fast could we ramp up f35 production and pilots. Could we make 2000 of each per year? Right now were making 156 per year. Along with all the supporting logistics. 2000 a year?! Your scale may be off, bro. Russia has less than 4K aircraft of ALL types. Just glanced...only 650 Mig 29s, as an example. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 1:52:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like driving a school bus vs. a Rally Car I imagine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: um no it is completely different employing a fighter is nothing like and has almost no commonality with flying an airliner Like driving a school bus vs. a Rally Car I imagine. To be clear I was an F-15 Instructor at the RTU. We trained pilots that were right from pilot training and pilots that had flown a heavy jet and got awarded an F-15 ( not many but a few ) and they would go through the same course to fly the F-15 and were no better than anybody else. If anything many struggled because of having to unlearn habit patterns and they tended to be older. Selecting Airline pilots to be fighter pilots would in no way streamline the training IMO. They would still have to be sent to military pilot training, be qualified to fly single seat, go to fighter lead in and then RTU. They really would not be able to skip anything. 80% of military initial pilot training is flying never done by airline pilots. Aerobatics, formation flying, etc. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:20:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't that more of a function of op tempo? Are you flying/training as much as humanly possible or flying as much as the budget allows for the remainder of the FY? Do you think at the height of WWII, student pilots had holidays and weekends off? And those infamous training holidays like the day after thanksgiving and the month of December where staffing goes to half strength? This is where Screechjet used to say that you can train pilots really fast if you are willing to kill the slow learners in accidents. |
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