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Posted: 1/10/2019 11:50:21 AM EDT
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That is a great point. We Americans work ourselves to death. At every place I've ever worked upon hire you start with zero vacation time and have to accrue vacation/paid time off (PTO) per paycheck. But as soon as you bank some PTO you end up using it to take a day off because your kids is home sick from school, or you need half a day off to go to the DMV, etc. so you never really can bank enough PTO to take a vacation. And if you do bank enough PTO that vacation time is spent taking a Thursday or Friday off to go to your in-laws for a weekend. My wife and I were just lamenting that our one "big" vacation we take every year is really just flying back to California to visit my parents. That trip alone cost us easily over $4k just in airfare, hotel, and meals for a family of four for week, not to mention I'm having to burn 5+ days of PTO for the trip. Other little weekend vacations are often spent visiting her parents. I think it really has to do with our influx of immigrants from countries with lower standards of living. At least in the bay area, there are plenty of Indians and Chinese that are used to 1-2 days off month, which in turn makes employees who request more vacation less desirable. At my last raise, I leveraged an extra week of vacation in lieu of a 5% bump. It was worth it. I really worry about my future in the US as we continue this trend (I'm only 29), while simultaneously cramming more people into cities. Weekend trips used to be easy, but the traffic in the bay area makes any excursion to a place of solitude a 5 hour drive at a minimum. Additionally, employees are jumping around more than ever from job to job, so unless they find a generous employer, they will never make it past 2-3 weeks. It's sad, but it's the way it is. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 11:50:53 AM EDT
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That's one of my favorites that gets enjoyed once a year, Probably the best snapshot of 1960's America ever written. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I highly recommend "Travels with Charley" by John Steinbeck. It's a classic long-distance road trip book by a master storyteller. TLDR; Steinbeck has a custom camper built for his pickup truck and he hits the road with his dog, Charley. They are out to see America. He has no set schedule and goes where the winds blows. I really enjoyed that book. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 11:54:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you isolated yourself for? No phone, no texts, etc, and most will go crazy without human interaction. Or they're sick to begin with. Most people will get away for the weekend and think it's the bees knees, buy after a few months you'll be scratching yourself all over, while yelling and conversing with your "friends". |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 11:55:52 AM EDT
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There's a story, and there's a woman in that story. LOL |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 11:57:33 AM EDT
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Was actually pricing out mountain land in Montana this week with 20+ acres where I could hunt elk, deer, and bear on my own land. The acreages cost less than a new truck. Build a $50k 2-room cabin on it, and live a simple life. My income is/has been high enough since I graduated college 10 years ago that if I had lived cheaply and stayed single, I could be retired on land in Montana by now probably, living comfortably off nothing but dividends for the rest of my life. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:01:24 PM EDT
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"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation, and go to the grave with the song still in them"
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:02:03 PM EDT
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My co-worker did. He left his job and family. He was reported missing from his family. He was found on the street homeless. Police picked him up and checked him in. He said he was Jesus and was healing people.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:03:14 PM EDT
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"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation, and go to the grave with the song still in them" -Henry Thoreau -Hitchens |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:09:26 PM EDT
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Chris McCandless wasn't wrong and he was just a college student. If you haven't read Into the Wild, do it now. Or at least watch the movie. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:10:01 PM EDT
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To all those who wish they had/could:
The law of action moving into life No matter what we feel or know No matter what potential gifts or talents, Only action brings them to life. Many of us understand concepts Such as commitment, courage and love, But we truly know only when we can do. Doing leads to understanding, And action leads knowledge to wisdom. You can't cross the sea merely by staring at the water. Rabindranath Tabor |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:12:31 PM EDT
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I dream of it regularly
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:17:08 PM EDT
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This guy...
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:17:37 PM EDT
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Maybe he figured out the American Dream is a trap? If I didn't have a wife and kids to support, I'd live in a van and see the country, stay in state and national parks, parking lots, (urban stealth van camping: it's a thing). My family has acreage with a couple modest cabins, water source(s), food sources when I needed to come back to "home base". I'm financially at a point, where I'd never need a J O B. My wealth would actually increase as I traveled the country in my van. .... BUUUUUT wife and kids... who I love ... so I can't. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:19:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:20:59 PM EDT
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thats my retirement plan, sell the house buy a small RV and just wonder Quote HistoryQuoted:
thats my retirement plan, sell the house buy a small RV and just wonder Quoted: That's just another word for nothin' left to lose. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:32:11 PM EDT
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Didn't a Arfcom member travel the country visiting other members with little with him? He may have stayed a day or two or maybe a few hours? I thought i read that here. I didn’t think he would actually complete it. I was wrong. Who was it? Is he still around? |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:37:43 PM EDT
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Yup, have 2 buddies that now live in vans. They’re the happiest sons of bitches I’ve ever seen. Both had high paying engineering jobs before walking away from everything. 
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:51:17 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that most 'mountain' land here is pretty inaccessible for most of the year. Most of the 40-acre plots you see for sale for $50k (or less) were originally part of a mining claim or timber company land, and are near the end of a long unplowed road. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Was actually pricing out mountain land in Montana this week with 20+ acres where I could hunt elk, deer, and bear on my own land. The acreages cost less than a new truck. Build a $50k 2-room cabin on it, and live a simple life. My income is/has been high enough since I graduated college 10 years ago that if I had lived cheaply and stayed single, I could be retired on land in Montana by now probably, living comfortably off nothing but dividends for the rest of my life. If you start looking for plots closer to 20 acres, you can find them off plowed county roads a few miles from a highway and 30 minutes from a (small) town in that price range. Of course, you still have wildfire risk, but that's life in the woods. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:55:08 PM EDT
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That's exactly it. I envy my in-laws, they spend nearly the entirety of July on their boats, exploring the waterways of northern Europe. What I wouldn't give to take a 2 week road trip with the Mrs exploring the southwest. I think it really has to do with our influx of immigrants from countries with lower standards of living. At least in the bay area, there are plenty of Indians and Chinese that are used to 1-2 days off month, which in turn makes employees who request more vacation less desirable. At my last raise, I leveraged an extra week of vacation in lieu of a 5% bump. It was worth it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That is a great point. We Americans work ourselves to death. At every place I've ever worked upon hire you start with zero vacation time and have to accrue vacation/paid time off (PTO) per paycheck. But as soon as you bank some PTO you end up using it to take a day off because your kids is home sick from school, or you need half a day off to go to the DMV, etc. so you never really can bank enough PTO to take a vacation. And if you do bank enough PTO that vacation time is spent taking a Thursday or Friday off to go to your in-laws for a weekend. My wife and I were just lamenting that our one "big" vacation we take every year is really just flying back to California to visit my parents. That trip alone cost us easily over $4k just in airfare, hotel, and meals for a family of four for week, not to mention I'm having to burn 5+ days of PTO for the trip. Other little weekend vacations are often spent visiting her parents. I think it really has to do with our influx of immigrants from countries with lower standards of living. At least in the bay area, there are plenty of Indians and Chinese that are used to 1-2 days off month, which in turn makes employees who request more vacation less desirable. At my last raise, I leveraged an extra week of vacation in lieu of a 5% bump. It was worth it. Quoted:
I really worry about my future in the US as we continue this trend (I'm only 29), while simultaneously cramming more people into cities. Weekend trips used to be easy, but the traffic in the bay area makes any excursion to a place of solitude a 5 hour drive at a minimum. Quoted:
Additionally, employees are jumping around more than ever from job to job, so unless they find a generous employer, they will never make it past 2-3 weeks. It's sad, but it's the way it is. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:03:19 PM EDT
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That is a great point. We Americans work ourselves to death. At every place I've ever worked upon hire you start with zero vacation time and have to accrue vacation/paid time off (PTO) per paycheck. But as soon as you bank some PTO you end up using it to take a day off because your kids is home sick from school, or you need half a day off to go to the DMV, etc. so you never really can bank enough PTO to take a vacation. And if you do bank enough PTO that vacation time is spent taking a Thursday or Friday off to go to your in-laws for a weekend. My wife and I were just lamenting that our one "big" vacation we take every year is really just flying back to California to visit my parents. That trip alone cost us easily over $4k just in airfare, hotel, and meals for a family of four for week, not to mention I'm having to burn 5+ days of PTO for the trip. Other little weekend vacations are often spent visiting her parents. I'm out of the private sector now and the time off adds up quicker and is much easier to use. You can manage a month off if you play it right and still keep enough in the bank for random days off if wanted. We also still have some remnant of a decent pension. My getting vested might just coincide with the passing of my aging parents. I don't hate my job by any means but depending on where I end up in the organization I could see myself wanting to get out. It's the type of job where it becomes your identity. I'm a very frugal person by nature. A couple hobbies (cars/guns). Could easily scale back, find a less stressful, "normal" job, sell my house and rent either here or another state altogether. I really have no ties to anything aside from my current job. I won't kid myself and say I could turn into a mountain man in a cabin but I can deal with being uncomfortable. An extended road trip around the US as a start would be interesting. /rambling |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:06:48 PM EDT
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Go drive a truck. I just had to upgrade my CDL to an A so I can tow heavy trailers with my bucket truck , and we pay a driving school to administer the pre trip inspection test, and driving portions of the test. I was offered a job by three different trucking company recruiters and the guy who gave me the test  .
The people who pay for the full course $6k, will spend 4 weeks in school and be offered a job making 60k a year and reimbursement for their tuition. You could get paid to walk away, and you can live in a company truck and make even more money for never wanting to go back home. I'm thinking this has to be one of the fastest and least expensive ways to 60k+ a year, and you could do it with minimal cost of living. Some of them even pay per diem, and hotels on mandatory DOT off days. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:07:20 PM EDT
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I thought about it long and hard when I was in my late 20s. It was the "Then Came Bronson," thought.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:08:16 PM EDT
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's just another word for nothing left to lose. - Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:09:31 PM EDT
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"Men Going Their Own Way"
I did it do not give a fuck, |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:09:56 PM EDT
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Completely alone? Three weeks with occasional runs into town for supplies. I know for sure I wouldn't be happy completely isolated. Now that I have a family it's not even a question. The real debate is whether actively participating in society is worth the effort or something along those lines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: How long have you isolated yourself for? No phone, no texts, etc, and most will go crazy without human interaction. Or they're sick to begin with. Most people will get away for the weekend and think it's the bees knees, buy after a few months you'll be scratching yourself all over, while yelling and conversing with your "friends". In all my travels I've found quite a few women who love the idea of being a family off the grid, providing it's not to the furthest extreme, like a hospital within reach for the kids. You can homeschool the, build a greenhouse, get wind or hydro electric so you can still have some nice amenities, etc. @fmjshooter |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:21:41 PM EDT
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The only person that I ever knew that wanted to do that was a guy I knew in high school. He was always a weird, squirrelly guy. A friend and I were both surprised to see that he had a collection of "Playboy" magazines collated in binders on his book shelf. We thought, his mother (single mother) was OK with him having a subscription to Playboy magazine?? Wow! Not in our parent's homes they wouldn't. I was visiting him once at his home with another school friend. He pitched us this ridiculous idea about buying a sailboat to sail around the world. We said no thanks because it was a bad idea. I asked him how he was going to get food and water when he ran out of both, in the middle of the ocean. He said no problem, that he had already thought about that. He said we could just stop by any of the many islands that were in the ocean to get food and fresh water. I asked him, "what islands?" He pointed out string of islands in a remote part of the Pacific Ocean on a globe of the Earth that he had in his room. I pointed out one "fact" that he overlooked. Those islands are hundreds of miles apart. His intellectual response was "Oh." Also, it would not be easy finding food and fresh water on "some uninhabited islands" out in the middle of nowhere in the Pacific Ocean. That was the last time we saw him again. We later joked that he was probably stranded on a sailboat, shipwrecked on one of those "islands" with a years growth of beard, ripped up/shredded clothes, and slowly starving to death with only a small supply of Iguanas and rodents to eat.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:24:44 PM EDT
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As has been alluded to up-thread, Christopher McCandless isn't a great example. Those versed in the outdoors and respectful of the challenge of that way of life understood that McCandless essentially committed suicide, such was his lack of preparation. Idealism and naivete born of comfy urban upbringing can be a dangerous combination; it is the same thinking that propels a young person to dangerous corners of the world in the belief that the environment and people will yield to their inherent superiority. You have to be a little bit full of yourself to think you can pull it off just by turning up. People show up that proclaim to love the outdoors but have no real skills and wind up feeding the bears after freezing to death in some lonely camp. I knew a couple of people that ended up that way and for that reason. The theory on one is that he was afraid to get crossing a creek to get back to his camp where he could have dried himself out. He chose to freeze about 100 yards from his camp. He was found after a bear ate him. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Piccolo, you seem like a really cool dude. Congrats man. I enjoy your posts! I am nothing but an old man that did it his way and ate dessert first. I never had a real job until I was almost 40. By 50 my house had been paid off. Sometimes I would like to retire to a liveaboard sailboat but I don't think my wife would buy it because I think she has grown too attached to stuff. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 1:46:47 PM EDT
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its just trading one set of problems and stresses for another in another place |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 2:01:40 PM EDT
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Yeah one of my best friends from High School completely disappeared one day. He was a tall, handsome lady's man type that everyone liked. Dude flipped out one day and vanished. Lived out of his car for several years and then took up with another man in Hawaii. Apparently he was closet gay. The guy who could get literally any girl, who lost his virginity to a hot babysitter when he was 13 was secretly homosexual. LOL.
Oh another one was an uncle of mine who made his living by embezzling and ripping people off, then he ripped off the completely wrong guy and had to run for his life. Running for your life isn't glamorous like the movies though so he ended up living in a one room loft behind a house in Gardnerville, NV. Either he surrendered to the FBI or somebody tipped them off but eventually he went to prison for a couple years. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 2:14:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, Neither of them could hold a candle to Janice when it comes to that song. To the OP, I met several in Thailand and Cambodia. Maybe a couple in Oregon, it's hard to tell up there if they dropped out or were never in. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:05:02 PM EDT
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With no obligations, I've heard of people doing similar things. Get tired of all the bullshit and just wander working odd jobs. I had a college professor that was also a government consultant and said fuck it. Last I heard, he was working roofing jobs in Colorado with a PhD in chemistry. He left a tenured position at my undergrad university. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My cousin did. Wasn't married and no kids. He quit his steady construction job, sold his house and left with little savings. Drove to New Jersey and then followed the coast down to Florida, living in his car. A year later he had turned up in Alaska working doing logging work. Last we heard he was in Montana but no one is sure where he is now. How does someone seemingly stable choose to become a homeless wanderer, and why? |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:13:49 PM EDT
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I think it's not about running away from what is but more exploring what isn't. "Grass is greener on the other side" Is often used incorrectly to describe ignorant decision making. Though often misguided, It's nothing more than natural human curiosity. Whether the people that dappear to find greener grass in detachment from modern society are enlighted or damaged is where I hit a wall. In theory, isolation or ignoring the rules of the game of existence, goes against the evolutionary molded mind. So wtf does that say about those who seem perfectly content when they do so? I know through my own personal exploration the further I can Isolate myself from the modern world the more at peace I feel. Does that mean that's where I need to be? Or, does it mean I've failed at finding my place in the modern world and thus need to work harder at fixing that? That I'm not miserable in my current life yet still find benefit in isolation further confounds my thinking. We're meant to use our hands to transform the environment into consumables to stay alive. Goods are made by machines we never see or touch. If someone moves away from all that to be a PoS leeching off others, they're more damaged than enlightened; if they move away to run their own little farm or homestead, they're more enlightened than damaged. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:24:10 PM EDT
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There was a Kung Fu master a bunch of years back who wandered from town to town. He did it to right wrongs. I don’t think he actually dropped out of sight though, because around the holidays he would still write Wongs. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:25:02 PM EDT
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No but I wish that I had when I was 18...
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:25:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a guy who Bicycled coast to coast. I didn’t think he would actually complete it. I was wrong. Who was it? Is he still around? |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:27:56 PM EDT
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Guy from my agency walked into the desk sergeant's office one night after an evening shift, dumped everything that had been issued to him on the desk, and left in his underwear and boots.
He then traveled to Alaska, worked in camps, then to Montana, where he became a game guide. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:29:51 PM EDT
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Have definitely thought about this.
Selling everything and paying cash for some land in rural Missouri somewhere and building a small off grid shack to use as a home base. Then spend more time exploring. Here is a good book on the subject: American Nomads |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:30:32 PM EDT
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I read 'My Side of the Mountain' at an impressionable age and often thought about walking away from it all. But as I got older and responsibilities (and possibly wisdom) grew I realized how impractical it would be.
I'm still restless but now I just look forward to retirement in a few years. I'm saving as much as I can in order to fund my new dream - to get a small place somewhere as a home base, then travel as much, as often, and as far as I can. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:54:43 PM EDT
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I knew a guy several years ago, he was a big real estate investor/developer in Canada.
He was worth 10's of millions of dollars in the 90's. After his wife died, he decided he needed to devote himself to God. He became a pastor, started traveling to the US and began spreading the word. He had several children and he basically abandoned them. He stopped checking on his finances and his investments. He stopped checking on his kids. He simply went missing one day and his kids called the FBI to look for him. We thought he was dead. No one had heard from him for almost a year. My father ran into him on the street one day, preaching the word of God. He looked homeless. My father told him he needed to at least call his children and let them know he was ok. He laughed at my father and walked away quickly. This was many years ago, I haven't thought about him in many years. I wonder what became of him... |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:57:59 PM EDT
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I knew a guy several years ago, he was a big real estate investor/developer in Canada. He was worth 10's of millions of dollars in the 90's. After his wife died, he decided he needed to devote himself to God. He became a pastor, started traveling to the US and began spreading the word. He had several children and he basically abandoned them. He stopped checking on his finances and his investments. He stopped checking on his kids. He simply went missing one day and his kids called the FBI to look for him. We thought he was dead. No one had heard from him for almost a year. My father ran into him on the street one day, preaching the word of God. He looked homeless. My father told him he needed to at least call his children and let them know he was ok. He laughed at my father and walked away quickly. This was many years ago, I haven't thought about him in many years. I wonder what became of him... 
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:03:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:12:45 PM EDT
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My wife's cousin vanished without a trace.
The feds are looking for him, He has managed to stay free for over a year. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:43:29 PM EDT
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I'd do it but my wife wouldn't approve.
I got kids and bills. And then there's my job, I hate it. Sweet death will save me.  
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Posted: 1/10/2019 4:48:03 PM EDT
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Buddy of mine worked in Philly as a copier salesman for Sharp.
Lived with his girlfriend. He left work on Monday and the boss said, "Hey Carl, are you leading that meeting tomorrow morning?" "Sure thing, Bob. See you bright and early..." He got in his car and drove off. Neither the boss nor the girlfriend heard from him again. He showed up in NYC a few days later and started fresh. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:14:23 PM EDT
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had a buddy that wanted to move south and do that. He was like 18 and in florida, a medical assistant in some capacity. Moved to I think Costa Rica, worked restoring the old Land Cruisers they have there, figured out how to import them to America to sell. He gives tours, restores old trucks, and lives in the jungle. seems like a pretty sweet gig and he appears to be doing OK
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:19:40 PM EDT
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Search SV Delos on you tube.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:29:00 PM EDT
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Friend of a friend (can’t say I knew him well, met him once or twice) with a good career, wife, and kids just divorced his wife, quit his job, and disappeared. Few years later his (now grown) kids tracked him down at a homeless shelter somewhere (Fla?). He was an alcoholic, drug addled mess. They tried to clean him up but he just disappeared again. He died in another shelter in DC (Georgetown UG/MA) a few years later.
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:29:37 PM EDT
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My cousin joined the Army in the mid to late 80's and pretty much disappeared. Uncle found out when he got a letter from the Army stating he was dishonorably discharged because he was a deserter. No one heard from him for years then one day he showed up. Then he'd disappear again. It wasn't until around the time my dad passed away he showed up again, he was married to a nice looking Asian chick and had a kid. Haven't seen not heard from him since.
Also, my uncle just up and disappeared too. Well... actually we all know what happened to him. He used to own a liquor store. He hired some chick to work there and he ended up spending a little too much time there. One day my aunt who was growing suspicious decided to bring him dinner at the store. She found the store closed but she went inside anyway. Found him in the office with his new hire and they were both naked. Whole thing ended up in a divorce and he just disappeared after that. No one has spoken to him since. |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 5:30:36 PM EDT
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 Then Came Bronson (Intro) S1 (1969) |
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