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Posted: 12/7/2015 11:44:26 PM EDT
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....worked perfectly for 14 years. But I don't trust it....... huh.... I haven't shot it on cold days. And given that the tech is proven to be almost 100% fail at dealing with temp changes......yeah. How about you sit & spin. There is winter out here. If I need my rifle, that I sighted in on a warmer day and then need on a 0 deg F day....having a POI shift is BAD. It's not an issue I've had, yet, luckily. But it's also an issue I don't want. Some people. Just imagine needing to make a precise shot and missing because it was cold outside. Yeah, that's no bueno. It would be one thing if I spent small coin on a recreational optic. But this thing *was* on my go-to combat rifle. I don't put shit optics on my go-to combat gun. I thought I had put an optic on there that I could trust. Looks like I was wrong. Turning on isn't the only thing I expect, I expect a quality combat optic to hold zero unless I smash it flat with a sledge. (yes, that is a bit of an exaggeration, but not that much when you look at how much more durable an Aimpoint is.....). |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 11:46:50 PM EDT
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If you soak your Eo-tech in Fireclean and then shoot it with Extreme Shock bullets all your problems will be solved.
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Posted: 12/7/2015 11:53:25 PM EDT
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If you soak your Eo-tech in Fireclean and then shoot it with Extreme Shock bullets all your problems will be solved. Only if it's on a Troy rifle. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 12:10:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't own any EOTech sights anymore. I sold them one by one before all of the shit hit the fan. Aimpoints, Trijicons, etc., seemed to be a better value to me. I'll be looking forward to cheap refurbs if EOTech decides to go that route. When the -30 degree apocalyptic nuclear winter occurs 30* F average winter day occurs, I will curse my lack of foresight, resorting to duct taping hand warmers to the optic. FIFY  |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 12:12:23 AM EDT
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Will they send us a box or label or both? Just submitted the RMA and printed out the form.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 12:29:02 AM EDT
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Fuck it, I am in for my 3
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Posted: 12/8/2015 12:30:42 AM EDT
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Will they send us a box or label or both? Just submitted the RMA and printed out the form. From what I've seen people post, you are responsible for shipping it to them and they will include $15 for shipping costs. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 12:40:55 AM EDT
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You're good. I ran that serial with EO. I've always ran all of my optics serials (Although yours was hard to see) and they told me their saved data doesn't go back that far. Meaning even if it was, they wouldn't be able to tell it was. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what happens if your optic was once mil property. I bought mine second hand and would hate to send it in just to find out it was mil property. You're good. I ran that serial with EO. I've always ran all of my optics serials (Although yours was hard to see) and they told me their saved data doesn't go back that far. Meaning even if it was, they wouldn't be able to tell it was. How can you find out if it was not nice Mil Property? I bought it in 2006 second hand also and I changed out some things such as battery leads, hood, and battery cover, it has not given me issues. None of my Eotechs have given me issue, to include my 553 and new EXPS-3. I shoot better with Eotech than any other RDS. ACOG I shoot great |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 12:41:35 AM EDT
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In for one RMA... fingers crossed I guess
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Posted: 12/8/2015 12:43:57 AM EDT
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Will they send us a box or label or both? Just submitted the RMA and printed out the form. Neither, they will add an additional $15 to your requested refund price to cover your shipping. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 12:44:20 AM EDT
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I don't own any EOTech sights anymore. I sold them one by one before all of the shit hit the fan. Aimpoints, Trijicons, etc., seemed to be a better value to me. I'll be looking forward to cheap refurbs if EOTech decides to go that route. When the -30 degree apocalyptic nuclear winter occurs, I will curse my lack of foresight, resorting to duct taping hand warmers to the optic. [img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/ Anybody that plans on relying on anything other than hard sites during a true SHTF moment is doomed anyway. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 12:50:27 AM EDT
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What if the shit birds at ectech take them back and then declare bankruptcy before sending out checks ?
I actually like my eotech but why should I loose $630 when I don't have too when they go belly up ? Damed either way I guess ! I guess I will take a stab at sending it in for the refund and see how it goes. Dam it ! |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:01:58 AM EDT
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L-3 is one of the BIGGEST 'Defense Contractors' going...
We ---the tax payer, will eventually pay for their screw-up... |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:06:42 AM EDT
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Any update from those who have submitted a RMA form?
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:14:37 AM EDT
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Anybody that plans on relying on anything other than hard sites during a true SHTF moment is doomed anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't own any EOTech sights anymore. I sold them one by one before all of the shit hit the fan. Aimpoints, Trijicons, etc., seemed to be a better value to me. I'll be looking forward to cheap refurbs if EOTech decides to go that route. When the -30 degree apocalyptic nuclear winter occurs, I will curse my lack of foresight, resorting to duct taping hand warmers to the optic. [url]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/ Anybody that plans on relying on anything other than hard sites during a true SHTF moment is doomed anyway. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:14:47 AM EDT
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Anybody that plans on relying on anything other than hard sites during a true SHTF moment is doomed anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't own any EOTech sights anymore. I sold them one by one before all of the shit hit the fan. Aimpoints, Trijicons, etc., seemed to be a better value to me. I'll be looking forward to cheap refurbs if EOTech decides to go that route. When the -30 degree apocalyptic nuclear winter occurs, I will curse my lack of foresight, resorting to duct taping hand warmers to the optic. [url]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/ Anybody that plans on relying on anything other than hard sites during a true SHTF moment is doomed anyway. Anyone that relies on any sight is a newb. I don't even shoot with sights. Instinctive shooting is where it's at. Even long range. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:23:49 AM EDT
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OP life called.....it's looking for you.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:24:54 AM EDT
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Anyone that relies on any sight is a newb. I don't even shoot with sights. Instinctive shooting is where it's at. Even long range. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't own any EOTech sights anymore. I sold them one by one before all of the shit hit the fan. Aimpoints, Trijicons, etc., seemed to be a better value to me. I'll be looking forward to cheap refurbs if EOTech decides to go that route. When the -30 degree apocalyptic nuclear winter occurs, I will curse my lack of foresight, resorting to duct taping hand warmers to the optic. [url]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/ Anybody that plans on relying on anything other than hard sites during a true SHTF moment is doomed anyway. Anyone that relies on any sight is a newb. I don't even shoot with sights. Instinctive shooting is where it's at. Even long range. Do you even gun-kata bro?
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:29:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've always preferred Aimpoint to Eotech. Even more so now. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:12:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:23:34 AM EDT
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Eotech asked ar15.com to make an official chart for their QA/QC. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ermey/media/Forum%20pics/2015-12-08%2000.11.40_zps3bsuryis.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Forum%20pics/2015-12-08%2000.11.40_zps3bsuryis.jpg</a> Ok, I laughed. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:25:00 AM EDT
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I can't wait to pick up a few cheap ones off the EE after this refund period expires.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:30:37 AM EDT
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If you soak your Eo-tech in Fireclean and then shoot it with Extreme Shock bullets all your problems will be solved. HAHAHA! And have it serviced by Corey and Erica
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:49:16 AM EDT
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I can't wait to pick up a few cheap ones off the EE after this refund period expires. Yea cause right now people are wanting damn near msrp for them 
As if...... That being said I would love a 553 or EXPS2/3 |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 3:14:58 AM EDT
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And that's probably half the people here are ready to send in their optic that's missing all the Anodizing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which is why I am debating filing for a refund. Part of me thinks if they could fix it, they already would have. I have a may 2001 model that I filed for refund on....worked perfectly for 14 years. But I don't trust it. Especially when it still turns on but might have a POI shift due to change in temps, which are common in the west. There was a guy I worked with years ago who had a pair of hiking boots, wore them until they had holes in them, then took them back to REI back when they had a no-questions-asked return policy. Got a full refund, and bought some new boots. At a certain point, you have to admit you got your money's worth and are just gaming the system. And that's probably half the people here are ready to send in their optic that's missing all the Anodizing. Keep being a supporter, dude. The CEO of the company was supporting holding back the flaws of the EOTechs that were issued to our people, including the men at the "tip of the spear". Yes, the zero shift can and probably has cost lives. Why do you think they settled so quickly? No trial no hearing, notta. It's because they knew what their POS sights do/did. Stop being a douchbag, seriousy. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 3:19:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep being a supporter, dude. The CEO of the company was supporting holding back the flaws of the EOTechs that were issued to our people, including the men at the "tip of the spear". Yes, the zero shift can and probably has cost lives. Why do you think they settled so quickly? No trial no hearing, notta. It's because they knew what their POS sights do/did. Stop being a douchbag, seriousy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Which is why I am debating filing for a refund. Part of me thinks if they could fix it, they already would have. I have a may 2001 model that I filed for refund on....worked perfectly for 14 years. But I don't trust it. Especially when it still turns on but might have a POI shift due to change in temps, which are common in the west. There was a guy I worked with years ago who had a pair of hiking boots, wore them until they had holes in them, then took them back to REI back when they had a no-questions-asked return policy. Got a full refund, and bought some new boots. At a certain point, you have to admit you got your money's worth and are just gaming the system. And that's probably half the people here are ready to send in their optic that's missing all the Anodizing. Keep being a supporter, dude. The CEO of the company was supporting holding back the flaws of the EOTechs that were issued to our people, including the men at the "tip of the spear". Yes, the zero shift can and probably has cost lives. Why do you think they settled so quickly? No trial no hearing, notta. It's because they knew what their POS sights do/did. Stop being a douchbag, seriousy.  |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 3:26:43 AM EDT
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I can't wait to pick up a few cheap ones off the EE after this refund period expires. No shit, but as I mentioned earlier, the sellers on the EE seem to think they are even more special than usual right now. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 3:30:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWith a tank under your name, and you being ok with an CEO knowingly selling defective equipment to our civilian, military and LE communities is quite surprising. I will stand by my assessment of you. Carry on... |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 4:11:23 AM EDT
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Yep, deal with it. I haven't seen this court filing really examined in any of the other threads and its extremely damning of Eotech. Many people here may not be aware that Eotech is willing to refund them the purchase price of their defective optic and I think that information should be shared. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We're doing this topic again?  Yep, deal with it. I haven't seen this court filing really examined in any of the other threads and its extremely damning of Eotech. Many people here may not be aware that Eotech is willing to refund them the purchase price of their defective optic and I think that information should be shared. In that case, there is no such thing as a dupe if this isn't. This info could've been dropped in any of the other half dozen EO threads. [shrug] |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 8:27:30 AM EDT
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My mother was killed by a dupe thread. It's a very serious problem and I wish people would search before they post. Your mom could be next.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 9:25:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eotech asked ar15.com to make an official chart for their QA/QC. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Forum%20pics/2015-12-08%2000.11.40_zps3bsuryis.jpg |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 9:35:50 AM EDT
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Any update from those who have submitted a RMA form? Just got my email this morning that said my refund has been approved. Says to send back the form and my xps-2 and they will refund me msrp + 15$ shipping. I have no idea how long it will take to get the refund though. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 9:59:25 AM EDT
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Just got my email this morning that said my refund has been approved. Says to send back the form and my xps-2 and they will refund me msrp + 15$ shipping. I have no idea how long it will take to get the refund though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any update from those who have submitted a RMA form? Just got my email this morning that said my refund has been approved. Says to send back the form and my xps-2 and they will refund me msrp + 15$ shipping. I have no idea how long it will take to get the refund though. When did you send it? I put mine in Sat night and haven't heard anything. Seems there have been a few people who filed after me who have their RMAs approved. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:21:18 AM EDT
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Any update from those who have submitted a RMA form? Submitted mine at 1:33pm yesterday and got an approval email today at 7:50am. I went with current retail price of $499 and it's been approved along with $15 shipping. XPS-2 manufacture date Jan 2013 ETA; I'm sending one of three that I own. I checked all 3 and only 1 is dim. I let them know I will monitor the other 2 and they confirmed this. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:22:48 AM EDT
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You mean, I weren't lying when I said they were shit. I wasn't sure.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:26:07 AM EDT
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When did you send it? I put mine in Sat night and haven't heard anything. Seems there have been a few people who filed after me who have their RMAs approved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any update from those who have submitted a RMA form? Just got my email this morning that said my refund has been approved. Says to send back the form and my xps-2 and they will refund me msrp + 15$ shipping. I have no idea how long it will take to get the refund though. When did you send it? I put mine in Sat night and haven't heard anything. Seems there have been a few people who filed after me who have their RMAs approved. Wondering where my approval is as well. Submitted mine Sunday and saw people submit yesterday getting approved same day. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:26:09 AM EDT
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This is why I always buy Aimpoint Right, because years ago you knew what no one else did. I knew in 2008, because I used one a lot on my daily use carbine. Bought another one SSDD, bought another one, and it bleed power. they are shit. I have been here since 2012, and I have been saying they are shit since then. Maybe the folks who know they are shit actually used them enough to screw up the slapshod circuitry or whatever. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:29:31 AM EDT
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Just got my return notice in as well. Guess I'll be heading to the P.O. this afternoon....Wondering if I should send back the original box/packaging it came in along with all the manuals or just the HWS ??
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:32:42 AM EDT
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I shot a deer in 5 degree weather with my 512. I must have been doing it wrong
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:32:45 AM EDT
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There was a guy I worked with years ago who had a pair of hiking boots, wore them until they had holes in them, then took them back to REI back when they had a no-questions-asked return policy. Got a full refund, and bought some new boots. At a certain point, you have to admit you got your money's worth and are just gaming the system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which is why I am debating filing for a refund. Part of me thinks if they could fix it, they already would have. I have a may 2001 model that I filed for refund on....worked perfectly for 14 years. But I don't trust it. Especially when it still turns on but might have a POI shift due to change in temps, which are common in the west. There was a guy I worked with years ago who had a pair of hiking boots, wore them until they had holes in them, then took them back to REI back when they had a no-questions-asked return policy. Got a full refund, and bought some new boots. At a certain point, you have to admit you got your money's worth and are just gaming the system. How about you take the recently popular moral higrounding bullshit and stuff it up your ass? |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:33:01 AM EDT
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Dted
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:37:13 AM EDT
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When did you send it? I put mine in Sat night and haven't heard anything. Seems there have been a few people who filed after me who have their RMAs approved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any update from those who have submitted a RMA form? Just got my email this morning that said my refund has been approved. Says to send back the form and my xps-2 and they will refund me msrp + 15$ shipping. I have no idea how long it will take to get the refund though. When did you send it? I put mine in Sat night and haven't heard anything. Seems there have been a few people who filed after me who have their RMAs approved. I put my request in Sunday, will mail mine out tomorrow. Guess we will see how long it takes to get the refund. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:39:15 AM EDT
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I'm not even going to lie. I bought mine a month ago, haven't even used it. Filled out the RMA. I'm not dropping that kind of coin on something that the manufacturer admits is a POS.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:42:36 AM EDT
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I shot a deer in 5 degree weather with my 512. I must have been doing it wrong come to think of it, when mine worked, they worked when it was cold. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:42:37 AM EDT
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I submitted my request yesterday morning around 8:30a.
Got my approval e-mail back at 1:45p yesterday afternoon for a full refund plus $15 to cover the shipping. I'm sending back a 512 that I bought in 2007 for $470. It goes out in the mail today. They did not say how long it would take to process the refund... the wording in the email was "as soon as possible". |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:43:48 AM EDT
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Any update from those who have submitted a RMA form? Submitted mine yesterday around 2pm EST and received an approval around 8:45am today. It was for the full MSRP plus the local 7% sales tax so that I could cover the cost of replacing the optic. I'll be shipping it out later. And just a general question to those saying you're going to keep them/you don't see what the big deal is/you've never had any problems/people are jumping on a bandwagon/etc. If there wasn't a big problem with the EOTechs, why is L3 so willing to approve hundreds of refunds, all within 48 hours, with zero proof of purchase, on items years out of warranty, up to the full original MSRP with no proof that's even what was paid? When was the last time you ran across a company so generously willing to do that if there wasn't a known issue? This is no different than Chrysler buying back Rams, Aspens, Dakotas, and Durangos with failure prone suspension or, Jeep Grand Cherokees and Liberties with vulnerable fuel tanks, all for $1000 over market value. This is simply L3 trying to get in front of the 8 ball on their screwup. I guarantee that L3 would rather deal with paying out dissatisfied owners now a simple MSRP cost than dealing with any punitive costs a court would assess. I'm sure L3 is keeping a list of names of who all has received refund approval to exclude them from the suit. They knew before my optic was even manufactured way back in 2008 that there were problems yet they continued to produce and sell them to civilians, military, and law enforcement with no compunction. I'd say that says a lot more about L3 than it does people who are returning them now. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:48:28 AM EDT
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Hmm, I kind of would like to have 450 dollars to spend on mags though
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:55:05 AM EDT
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When did you send it? I put mine in Sat night and haven't heard anything. Seems there have been a few people who filed after me who have their RMAs approved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any update from those who have submitted a RMA form? Just got my email this morning that said my refund has been approved. Says to send back the form and my xps-2 and they will refund me msrp + 15$ shipping. I have no idea how long it will take to get the refund though. When did you send it? I put mine in Sat night and haven't heard anything. Seems there have been a few people who filed after me who have their RMAs approved. I did mine on Sunday morning and haven't heard a peep. I did submit 3 separate applications for 3 sights though. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 10:58:23 AM EDT
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Which is why I am debating filing for a refund. Part of me thinks if they could fix it, they already would have. I have a may 2001 model that I filed for refund on....worked perfectly for 14 years. But I don't trust it. Especially when it still turns on but might have a POI shift due to change in temps, which are common in the west. There was a guy I worked with years ago who had a pair of hiking boots, wore them until they had holes in them, then took them back to REI back when they had a no-questions-asked return policy. Got a full refund, and bought some new boots. At a certain point, you have to admit you got your money's worth and are just gaming the system. How about you take the recently popular moral higrounding bullshit and stuff it up your ass? Whatever you say, guy. ETA - I'm not sure what you mean by recently popular, but these values have been around for some time now, and some of us take them seriously, and not just as something you had to recite at the DFAC during basic. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 11:01:35 AM EDT
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I would love to see a pic of the pile of returned EOTechs.
I'm betting it would rival the pic Mark LaRue posted of all the broken ARMS mounts he took in trade toward LaRue mounts way back when. 
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