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Posted: 8/6/2015 11:14:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You need a GI setup, that isn't how they were designed. Professional model comes with GI setup Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every time I had to stop to screw in the guide rod on my Springfield to keep it from falling out I was just more convinced of the genius of the design. You need a GI setup, that isn't how they were designed. Professional model comes with GI setup Kind of telling that they don't use it on the "professional" model  |
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Posted: 8/6/2015 11:14:53 AM EDT
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What about the MEU(SOC), PRO, CQBP, etc? None of those look like a standard 1911 or A1 to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What generation is the 1911 on now? None of the ones you guys are posting look like this http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/7482/8788226_2.jpg?v=8CC7F07099C3C90 there is 1911 and 1911 A1 not a mathematician, but I come up with 2  What about the MEU(SOC), PRO, CQBP, etc? None of those look like a standard 1911 or A1 to me. Should we start comparing all the salient and salient look alikes for glock then? Their doing the same thing, taking a stock gun and modifying it |
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Posted: 8/6/2015 11:17:34 AM EDT
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I replaced it with something or other from Wilson Combat Kind of telling that they don't use it on the "professional" model
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Every time I had to stop to screw in the guide rod on my Springfield to keep it from falling out I was just more convinced of the genius of the design. You need a GI setup, that isn't how they were designed. Professional model comes with GI setup Kind of telling that they don't use it on the "professional" model
Most guys who have FLGR ditch them for the GI setup. The FLGR setups simply add no value while making life harder. All my full size guns are setup with the GI recoil system They do make 1 piece FLGR which will not come apart. Honestly even if your two piece came apart the gun will still function. |
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Posted: 8/6/2015 11:25:33 AM EDT
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FLGRs for 1911s are dumb. They were designed for the "gamer" set, to add weight out toward the muzzle and help with faster recoil recovery. Putting one on a "social" gun is just stupid.
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Posted: 8/6/2015 11:26:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should we start comparing all the salient and salient look alikes for glock then? Their doing the same thing, taking a stock gun and modifying it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What generation is the 1911 on now? None of the ones you guys are posting look like this http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/7482/8788226_2.jpg?v=8CC7F07099C3C90 there is 1911 and 1911 A1 not a mathematician, but I come up with 2 What about the MEU(SOC), PRO, CQBP, etc? None of those look like a standard 1911 or A1 to me. Should we start comparing all the salient and salient look alikes for glock then? Their doing the same thing, taking a stock gun and modifying it Apples and oranges. The three pistols I listed are built to a U.S. Government specification and intended for issue. For the record, I don't see this as a knock against the 1911 or Glock. Everything evolves with time. |
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Posted: 8/6/2015 11:28:43 AM EDT
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Apples and oranges. The three pistols I listed are built to a U.S. Government specification and intended for issue. For the record, I don't see this as a knock against the 1911 or Glock. Everything evolves with time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What generation is the 1911 on now? None of the ones you guys are posting look like this http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/7482/8788226_2.jpg?v=8CC7F07099C3C90 there is 1911 and 1911 A1 not a mathematician, but I come up with 2 What about the MEU(SOC), PRO, CQBP, etc? None of those look like a standard 1911 or A1 to me. Should we start comparing all the salient and salient look alikes for glock then? Their doing the same thing, taking a stock gun and modifying it Apples and oranges. The three pistols I listed are built to a U.S. Government specification and intended for issue. For the record, I don't see this as a knock against the 1911 or Glock. Everything evolves with time. At the core however everything is the same. A little more file work here. Better sights. Beavertail. Extended safety. Have I ever mentioned that I love 1911s? 
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Posted: 8/6/2015 11:29:46 AM EDT
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What about the MEU(SOC), PRO, CQBP, etc? None of those look like a standard 1911 or A1 to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What generation is the 1911 on now? None of the ones you guys are posting look like this http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/7482/8788226_2.jpg?v=8CC7F07099C3C90 there is 1911 and 1911 A1 not a mathematician, but I come up with 2 What about the MEU(SOC), PRO, CQBP, etc? None of those look like a standard 1911 or A1 to me. How many models does glock have in a generation? 
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Posted: 8/6/2015 11:59:14 AM EDT
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What generation is the 1911 on now? None of the ones you guys are posting look like this http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/7482/8788226_2.jpg?v=8CC7F07099C3C90 there is 1911 and 1911 A1 not a mathematician, but I come up with 2 What about the MEU(SOC), PRO, CQBP, etc? None of those look like a standard 1911 or A1 to me. Should we start comparing all the salient and salient look alikes for glock then? Their doing the same thing, taking a stock gun and modifying it So the FBI had to resort to boutique 1911s? Why couldn't they use the normal ones? |
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Posted: 8/6/2015 1:07:54 PM EDT
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What generation is the 1911 on now? None of the ones you guys are posting look like this http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/7482/8788226_2.jpg?v=8CC7F07099C3C90 there is 1911 and 1911 A1 not a mathematician, but I come up with 2 What about the MEU(SOC), PRO, CQBP, etc? None of those look like a standard 1911 or A1 to me. Should we start comparing all the salient and salient look alikes for glock then? Their doing the same thing, taking a stock gun and modifying it So the FBI had to resort to boutique 1911s? Why couldn't they use the normal ones? Because they have good tastes in sidearms
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Posted: 8/6/2015 9:04:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well yeah... because GLOCK pretty much gives them the guns for free. What does that have to do with anything? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is a reason why the vast....VAST....majority of LE uses Glock. Well yeah... because GLOCK pretty much gives them the guns for free. What does that have to do with anything? Can't they also get all the 1911A1s they want for free (for real free, not "pretty much") via the 1033 program? |
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Posted: 8/6/2015 9:06:07 PM EDT
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If I was an FBI agent I'd pimp a suit from JC Penny's and a S&W Model 65 with a 3" barrel. Like a Boss. 
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Posted: 8/6/2015 9:06:28 PM EDT
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Are we drunk and ready to argue yet?
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Posted: 8/6/2015 9:15:02 PM EDT
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Are we drunk and ready to argue yet? I am. HK UBER ALLES! |
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Posted: 8/6/2015 9:19:07 PM EDT
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15 year old article. What are they using now? HRT isn't using those and they actually know how to shoot pistols.
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Posted: 8/6/2015 9:24:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/6/2015 9:27:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/7/2015 11:56:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/7/2015 11:58:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/7/2015 12:05:05 PM EDT
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Nothing like using a 104 year old design as the latest and greatest pistol on the market. Seven, or eight round mag. capacity is like bringing a half-loaded gun to a gunfight. Yet men from America went to war with them and won. Pistols influence who wins wars just slightly more than bootlace aglets.
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Posted: 8/7/2015 12:15:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/7/2015 12:47:58 PM EDT
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I love to shoot 1911s. It's my favored pistol for training classes. The only comment I've had was by one instructor who was himself sporting a Wilson. Most of that class was using Glocks (which is a fine make - I often CCW a 26). He looked at the finish wear on my holstered pistol and said, "that's a nice Baer. I assume you know how to use it.
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It's clearly not the most heavily worn pistol out there, but I'm proud of the honest patina it's earned. I consider it to be broken-in now. It's been almost boringly reliable, except with a particular lot of improperly sized bullets I purchased for reloads. 
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Posted: 8/7/2015 4:42:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/7/2015 4:47:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I were an FBI agent I'd have an SA Pro in my hand and Gillian Anderson on my dick. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I was an FBI agent I'd pimp a suit from JC Penny's and a S&W Model 65 with a 3" barrel. Like a Boss. If I were an FBI agent I'd have an SA Pro in my hand and Gillian Anderson on my dick. You, yes, you and I are in agreement good sir. |
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Posted: 8/7/2015 5:22:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: correct, it IS a NAZI gun  Quote History |
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Posted: 8/7/2015 5:32:08 PM EDT
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My uncle in OK has a friend who is FBI. I've seen his Springfield 1911. I am not sure if that is his service weapon any more, but it was definitely a Pro.
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Posted: 8/7/2015 5:40:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a reason why the vast....VAST....majority of LE uses Glock. LEOs use Glocks because Glock practically gives them the guns. |
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Posted: 8/7/2015 5:44:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/7/2015 8:08:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2015 12:42:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/11-900x600.jpg was pretty smug for about 15 seconds before I tossed him a box of WWB 45 Kid is/was one of those kinda asberger C&R know it alls ya run into from time to time yeah fuck head other people have seen an Argentine 1927 or Ballister Molina before |
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Posted: 8/8/2015 1:07:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can detail strip a 1911 with nothing more than a spent casing and the parts within the gun. Let me see you do THAT with a Glock.  Quote HistoryQuoted: I can detail strip a 1911 with nothing more than a spent casing and the parts within the gun. Let me see you do THAT with a Glock. Dont bring me into this tired-ass argument. |
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Posted: 8/8/2015 1:11:20 PM EDT
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people in here comparing a SA PRO to a glock.
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Posted: 8/8/2015 1:22:31 PM EDT
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FWIW - internet commando opinion:
This is from 10-15 years ago. HRT and all SWAT was using the Springfield Pro. It is still the program gun. HRT is predominantly using Glocks - most, not all. These are G17s w/ ZEV triggers, magwells, and HD Trijicon sights. They are also modifying the grips, a la CAG, to make them "better". You end up with a bulge on the week side and the gun becomes essentially unusable for one hand, weak hand, shooting. SWAT is using G22s and 1911s, with 1911s being the program gun. Not surprising to some of you here who are actually gun guys, the G22s perform abysmally with the "approved" lights, i.e. TLR 1 and 2s. The 1911 is going to go away, not because it performs poorly, but because in a quest to be "faster" and "more like CAG" newer guys are moving to Glocks. Ironically, they are then dropping enough after market parts in them to rival the program costs of the 1911. The maintenance costs on the Glock are significantly higher - to the scale of $50-$100 a year per pistol, as many, many internal parts need to be replaced every few thousand rounds to keep the gun reliable. Again, not news to gun guys, the Glock has several parts that fail on regular intervals that cause the gun to go down hard. These intervals are certainly shorter on .40 models, but the maintenance costs are still quite a bit higher. Think every spring, slide release, mag springs, etc. 1911 maintenance costs is $4-$6, a recoil spring and a firing pin spring. There is still only a single 9mm round that has actually met recommended penetration testing depths, which was recalled for QC issues. There are still many good 9mm rounds doing well terminally, but I think you will see the FBI back away from the 12-18" depth requirements in the quest to move to 9mm, as physics are getting in the way. |
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Posted: 8/8/2015 4:44:10 PM EDT
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Yeah, I've heard that lots of the cool kids are getting their Glocks Zev'd...not sure how that will work out in the long run.
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Posted: 8/8/2015 5:06:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: people in here comparing a SA PRO to a glock. "hey I own a SA PRO" stealth thread |
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Posted: 8/8/2015 7:12:49 PM EDT
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Every time I had to stop to screw in the guide rod on my Springfield to keep it from falling out I was just more convinced of the genius of the design. Two Piece Full Length Guide Rods are fucking stupid, upgrade my ass. A one piece guide rod is only slightly less stupid. |
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Posted: 8/8/2015 7:14:39 PM EDT
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Somehow when I clicked this thread, I knew it was going to be a 1911.
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Posted: 8/8/2015 7:18:56 PM EDT
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Yeah, I've heard that lots of the cool kids are getting their Glocks Zev'd...not sure how that will work out in the long run. Wait till someone fucks up and and NDs a leg or someone else's leg or someone who is not FBI, or accidentallties someone to death and all that shit will go away in a heart beat. It will either be back to stock Glocks or the Program 1911 faster than you can say lawsuit. |
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Posted: 8/8/2015 10:06:50 PM EDT
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Wait till someone fucks up and and NDs a leg or someone else's leg or someone who is not FBI, or accidentallties someone to death and all that shit will go away in a heart beat. It will either be back to stock Glocks or the Program 1911 faster than you can say lawsuit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, I've heard that lots of the cool kids are getting their Glocks Zev'd...not sure how that will work out in the long run. Wait till someone fucks up and and NDs a leg or someone else's leg or someone who is not FBI, or accidentallties someone to death and all that shit will go away in a heart beat. It will either be back to stock Glocks or the Program 1911 faster than you can say lawsuit. To the best of my knowledge there is no aftermarket trigger mod that is 100% reliable for all Glocks. By "reliable" I mean stuff like failures to fire and failures to reset. If it were me and I was training with my duty gun and got a dead trigger when I tried to make it go bang, I think I'd forgo the racey stuff. ...but that's just me. |
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Posted: 8/8/2015 11:03:09 PM EDT
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To the best of my knowledge there is no aftermarket trigger mod that is 100% reliable for all Glocks. By "reliable" I mean stuff like failures to fire and failures to reset. If it were me and I was training with my duty gun and got a dead trigger when I tried to make it go bang, I think I'd forgo the racey stuff. ...but that's just me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, I've heard that lots of the cool kids are getting their Glocks Zev'd...not sure how that will work out in the long run. Wait till someone fucks up and and NDs a leg or someone else's leg or someone who is not FBI, or accidentallties someone to death and all that shit will go away in a heart beat. It will either be back to stock Glocks or the Program 1911 faster than you can say lawsuit. To the best of my knowledge there is no aftermarket trigger mod that is 100% reliable for all Glocks. By "reliable" I mean stuff like failures to fire and failures to reset. If it were me and I was training with my duty gun and got a dead trigger when I tried to make it go bang, I think I'd forgo the racey stuff. ...but that's just me. I am also well aware of that. That caveat also applies to most other guns as well. Which is why I am more than a little stunned when people talk about trigger mods when it comes to serious use handguns...game guns are one thing but duty gear, carry guns hell no. |
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Posted: 8/8/2015 11:05:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1911's are gay. And so is idpa. http://www.sequinking.com/images/detailed/7/tmp_eTLvJJ.gif So some old timer in the fbi thought a 1911 was cool and used his sway to make everyone get one. Yippee. Go Springfield 1911, Woot! |
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Posted: 8/8/2015 11:06:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seven, or eight round mag. capacity is like bringing a half-loaded gun to a gunfight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nothing like using a 104 year old design as the latest and greatest pistol on the market. Seven, or eight round mag. capacity is like bringing a half-loaded gun to a gunfight. Go 1911! |
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Posted: 8/8/2015 11:07:33 PM EDT
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I can detail strip a 1911 with nothing more than a spent casing and the parts within the gun. Let me see you do THAT with a Glock. Dont bring me into this tired-ass argument.
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Posted: 8/8/2015 11:08:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/132896f2a3d0ad71fdb379e6c4ddf006b8c8e935/c=53-0-2444-1798&r=x383&c=540x380/local/-/media/2015/02/17/GGM/MarineCorpsTimes/635597725902987917-43385.jpg Iraqi soldiers are the only ones professional enough to use the Glock 19. |
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Posted: 8/9/2015 9:48:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just seem em go down a lot more than one would think from what you read on the net. Granted about 98% of the shooters out there shoot glock so the pool is bigger. Don't get me wrong. I see 1911s go down as well. But mine just run and run. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:Every gun can malfunction, and Glock is FAR from being immune from that. No gun is malfunction free. Glock however has millions of rounds with very few. My personal Glocks have close to 100k with 2...both blazer ammo related I just seem em go down a lot more than one would think from what you read on the net. Granted about 98% of the shooters out there shoot glock so the pool is bigger. Don't get me wrong. I see 1911s go down as well. But mine just run and run. I was recently looking for TRP reviews and saw one of yours comparing the TRP to the PRO (which was a great article BTW) on TOS. In the comments you mentioned that your TRP suffered two catastrophic failures at under 500 rounds. You also mention that your PRO didn't function reliably from day one, and took you a "frustrating week" just to diagnose and start to fix it. I apologize if you mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I can't help but think that you are sugar-coating things here. EDIT: I apologize, that was another poster who had a broken extractor a 500, not Chase45.
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Posted: 8/9/2015 9:56:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many models does glock have in a generation? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What generation is the 1911 on now? None of the ones you guys are posting look like this http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/7482/8788226_2.jpg?v=8CC7F07099C3C90 there is 1911 and 1911 A1 not a mathematician, but I come up with 2 What about the MEU(SOC), PRO, CQBP, etc? None of those look like a standard 1911 or A1 to me. How many models does glock have in a generation? Why would that matter? I named 5" Gov issue 1911s that are chambered in .45acp. Give that math one more try now. |
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Posted: 8/9/2015 10:31:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was recently looking for TRP reviews and saw one of yours comparing the TRP to the PRO (which was a great article BTW) on TOS. In the comments you mentioned that your TRP suffered two catastrophic failures at under 500 rounds. You also mention that your PRO didn't function reliably from day one, and took you a "frustrating week" just to diagnose and start to fix it. I apologize if you mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I can't help but think that you are sugar-coating things here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just seem em go down a lot more than one would think from what you read on the net. Granted about 98% of the shooters out there shoot glock so the pool is bigger. Don't get me wrong. I see 1911s go down as well. But mine just run and run. I was recently looking for TRP reviews and saw one of yours comparing the TRP to the PRO (which was a great article BTW) on TOS. In the comments you mentioned that your TRP suffered two catastrophic failures at under 500 rounds. You also mention that your PRO didn't function reliably from day one, and took you a "frustrating week" just to diagnose and start to fix it. I apologize if you mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I can't help but think that you are sugar-coating things here. So both of your high end 1911s had significant parts failures requiring replacement/repair in their first few hundred rds Chase45 I believe I purchased the TRP in Feb of 2010. Out of the box it looked great and was surprisingly very tight. The TRP performed flawlessly out of the box. I recall putting a few hundred down range before packing up and heading to a Defoor class which went great without a problem. The only complaint I had of the TRP was the 6o'clock hold it used for sighting. It wasnt hard to grow accustom to but was slightly annoying. The next major class I went to also with Defoor the next year really pushed my TRP to its limits. Half way through the class i broke a FP stop. There was luckily just enough metal to hang on to the FP and keep the extractor from falling out. Surprisingly she just kept chugging along without a problem. This really won my trust over to that gun. I fixed it in the following weeks and kept on carrying her. I encountered a few more problems after the gun started showing some age. Nothing that would prevent the pistol from functioning however. The plunger tube and ejector had both came unglued. However the design of the 1911 kept both pieces in place when assembled. The pistol is still in that condition and still functions fine. It now serves as a backup to my Pro when going to classes. I would love to tell you how that Pro ran flawlessly and was the best 1911 ever made by man, however that wouldnt be the truth. The first time shooting it, it simply didnt run. I would get a few rounds out and then have a FTF. I called my buddy and asked if he had any problems, he said no and the pistol worked flawlessly for him with the 100 rounds he fired through it. Thinking it was possibly a out of spec lot I bought different ammo. I got the same results as the range trip before however. Fraustrated I began looking for the problem which I believed resided with extractor tension. I messed with that and tried again. This seemed to help, but was still having intermittent problems. The extractor tip had never been opened up or polished. Seeing this I decided a new extractor would possibly be in order so I wouldn't booger up the original. I finally broke down and ordered a C&S extractor which I then tuned and fitted. This absolutely solved the problem and the gun began running great. I was rather shell shocked that this pistol left their custom shop in such a shoddy order in regards to the extractor, but hey mistakes happen |
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Posted: 8/9/2015 10:46:36 PM EDT
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Found this on the web. Very cool article about the FBI trials that lead to picking the best contender for their elite SWAT type units Few excerpts "The FBI went after the best pistol for its SWAT-trained agents." "The test consisted of several parts: first came an inspection for compliance to the specifications, followed by a safety check, an abuse test, a firing test, a \"field suitability\" test, an accuracy test, an endurance test and, finally, a second accuracy test." "While all of the FBI\'s requirements were demanding, the most rigorous was accuracy. Chosen at random, two of the five guns had to shoot no more than 1.5\" at 25 yards for three 10-shot groups from a Ransom Rest. Then the guns would be shot for 20,000 rounds in an endurance test, after which a second accuracy test would be conducted with no more than 15 percent degradation in accuracy being acceptable." "At the end of the day, the five guns had shot a total of nearly 50,000 rounds between them, been dropped, thrown, examined under a microscope and passed through innumerable hands." "This is the toughest test the government has probably ever conducted for any gun, other than maybe a machinegun,\" Williams commented." Article http://www.scribd.com/doc/273099192/Most-Wanted-the-FBI-s-Prestigious-SWAT-Team-Pistol Example of said pistol <a href="http://s301.photobucket.com/user/cclement45/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04-10%2018.35.46_zpsaq3dbrte.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/cclement45/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04-10%2018.35.46_zpsaq3dbrte.jpg</a> <a href="http://s301.photobucket.com/user/cclement45/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04-11%2013.03.55_zpsye6pgyyy.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/cclement45/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04-11%2013.03.55_zpsye6pgyyy.jpg</a> <a href="http://s301.photobucket.com/user/cclement45/media/IMG_3481057603469_zpsarg5t0xy.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/cclement45/IMG_3481057603469_zpsarg5t0xy.jpeg</a> LMFAO at the always poor trolling. 50,000 rounds between 5 1911's? I'm pretty sure that's what Glock calls a factory test fire for new guns. 
so "new" glocks already have 50k rounds through them? Yes, Glock Guys count different than other guys. 
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Posted: 8/9/2015 10:56:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2015 11:32:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So both of your high end 1911s had significant parts failures requiring replacement/repair in their first few hundred rds I would love to tell you how that Pro ran flawlessly and was the best 1911 ever made by man, however that wouldnt be the truth. The first time shooting it, it simply didnt run. I would get a few rounds out and then have a FTF. I called my buddy and asked if he had any problems, he said no and the pistol worked flawlessly for him with the 100 rounds he fired through it. Thinking it was possibly a out of spec lot I bought different ammo. I got the same results as the range trip before however. Fraustrated I began looking for the problem which I believed resided with extractor tension. I messed with that and tried again. This seemed to help, but was still having intermittent problems. The extractor tip had never been opened up or polished. Seeing this I decided a new extractor would possibly be in order so I wouldn't booger up the original. I finally broke down and ordered a C&S extractor which I then tuned and fitted. This absolutely solved the problem and the gun began running great. I was rather shell shocked that this pistol left their custom shop in such a shoddy order in regards to the extractor, but hey mistakes happen  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krD4hdGvGHMQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just seem em go down a lot more than one would think from what you read on the net. Granted about 98% of the shooters out there shoot glock so the pool is bigger. Don't get me wrong. I see 1911s go down as well. But mine just run and run. I was recently looking for TRP reviews and saw one of yours comparing the TRP to the PRO (which was a great article BTW) on TOS. In the comments you mentioned that your TRP suffered two catastrophic failures at under 500 rounds. You also mention that your PRO didn't function reliably from day one, and took you a "frustrating week" just to diagnose and start to fix it. I apologize if you mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I can't help but think that you are sugar-coating things here. So both of your high end 1911s had significant parts failures requiring replacement/repair in their first few hundred rds Chase45 I believe I purchased the TRP in Feb of 2010. Out of the box it looked great and was surprisingly very tight. The TRP performed flawlessly out of the box. I recall putting a few hundred down range before packing up and heading to a Defoor class which went great without a problem. The only complaint I had of the TRP was the 6o'clock hold it used for sighting. It wasnt hard to grow accustom to but was slightly annoying. The next major class I went to also with Defoor the next year really pushed my TRP to its limits. Half way through the class i broke a FP stop. There was luckily just enough metal to hang on to the FP and keep the extractor from falling out. Surprisingly she just kept chugging along without a problem. This really won my trust over to that gun. I fixed it in the following weeks and kept on carrying her. I encountered a few more problems after the gun started showing some age. Nothing that would prevent the pistol from functioning however. The plunger tube and ejector had both came unglued. However the design of the 1911 kept both pieces in place when assembled. The pistol is still in that condition and still functions fine. It now serves as a backup to my Pro when going to classes. I would love to tell you how that Pro ran flawlessly and was the best 1911 ever made by man, however that wouldnt be the truth. The first time shooting it, it simply didnt run. I would get a few rounds out and then have a FTF. I called my buddy and asked if he had any problems, he said no and the pistol worked flawlessly for him with the 100 rounds he fired through it. Thinking it was possibly a out of spec lot I bought different ammo. I got the same results as the range trip before however. Fraustrated I began looking for the problem which I believed resided with extractor tension. I messed with that and tried again. This seemed to help, but was still having intermittent problems. The extractor tip had never been opened up or polished. Seeing this I decided a new extractor would possibly be in order so I wouldn't booger up the original. I finally broke down and ordered a C&S extractor which I then tuned and fitted. This absolutely solved the problem and the gun began running great. I was rather shell shocked that this pistol left their custom shop in such a shoddy order in regards to the extractor, but hey mistakes happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krD4hdGvGHM |
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Posted: 8/9/2015 11:42:42 PM EDT
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I see that now. Old worthless gun magazine advertisement is all that article is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That article is ancient. While I have no doubt there are still a fair number of 1911's in use in tactical programs, most Agents (regardless of additional specialty) use the issued Glock. Twice as many rounds, less maintenance, less cost, less fuss...equal (or better) performance. I see that now. Old worthless gun magazine advertisement is all that article is. Actually, that statement is true for every gun rag in existence now. There was one old rag from back in my early high school days (which isn't saying much ) that actually did honest reviews of guns by buying one off the shelf and testing it. Gun Tests, I recall? I don't think they're around anymore.
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