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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:48:37 PM EDT
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Truecrypt was never authorized. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok, I know for some things our G2 IMO Officer had to have copies of our truecrypt passwords for reg and hidden containers. If the above was true why would they need our passwords for our containers on the gov laptops? If they could access them why would they need our password? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:49:05 PM EDT
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Oh look you're bringing #Pizzagate into yet another thread.  The issue I'm getting at is the statists use the same bogeymen every time they ask to undermine our Constitution - terrorism, drugs, kid touchers, etc. Yet I challenge you to find any actual evidence that all these infringements upon the Constitution have made us any safer. The Boston Marathon bombing. Major Hassan. Numerous attacks in Europe. And now Las Vegas. All those secret powers didn't stop those. But just one more freedom, the elites say, and you'll finally have traded liberty for security. Meanwhile FISA Courts are used against political opponents, the NSA spys on everything and lies to Congress about it, and Muslim terrorist organizations are invited to the White House. The fact that the government doesn't go against these known nest of druggies, pedos, and terrorists proves the hypocrisy. They don't want to go after the real bogeymen, they just want to trot them out to ask for more funding and more infringements on our freedoms. "Mr. Ness, everybody knows where the booze is. The problem isn't finding it, the problem is who wants to cross Capone." (Skip to 1:30)  The Untouchables - Clip - First Liquor Raid And the sad thing is I don't want to hate on the government. I want to root for Mr. Ness. But it seems there's no one in Washington other than Trump willing to take on Capone. 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:50:11 PM EDT
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Good.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:51:47 PM EDT
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I use encryption for my backups of the stuff I write. I like to lie to myself and believe that my writing is good enough someone would actually want to steal it and use it  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Good enough" for probably 99.97 percent of the threat models out there... (Standing by the get flamed by some obscure Linux flavor zealot)
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:52:55 PM EDT
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Absolutely. Translation of OP's article: "These constitutionally-protected rights are a real problem; big government needs a "final solution" to these problematic rights!" |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:53:08 PM EDT
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I think of it like my gun safe: Will my Liberty Franklin stop Robert Deniro's character from "The Score"? Nah. Will it keep out the local methhead / criminal teenager for a while? Sure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Good enough" for probably 99.97 percent of the threat models out there... (Standing by the get flamed by some obscure Linux flavor zealot)
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:53:24 PM EDT
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How did they "investigate" before "mobile devices" were a thing?
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:53:39 PM EDT
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Truecrypt was never authorized. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:54:43 PM EDT
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I feel like maybe you don't understand. Even with search warrants, no some covert FBI tin foil CRAP, the information is not being able to be retrieved. This isn't some mass conspiracy, these are child molestors taking pics of you or your neighbors kids, these are drug dealers. Many of them have already been charged but the info for further prosecution can't be received........ask me how I know after busting an auto theft ring Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolutely. Translation of OP's article: "These constitutionally-protected rights are a real problem; big government needs a "final solution" to these problematic rights!" |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:59:43 PM EDT
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How did they "investigate" before "mobile devices" were a thing? Or lobbies Congress for legislation to make their jobs easier.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:01:04 PM EDT
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I feel like maybe you don't understand. Even with search warrants, not some covert FBI tin foil CRAP, the information is not being able to be retrieved. This isn't some mass conspiracy, these are child molestors taking pics of you or your neighbors kids, these are drug dealers. Many of them have already been charged but the info for further prosecution can't be received........ask me how I know after busting an auto theft ring |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:01:09 PM EDT
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Boo hoo. They act like the gov has an innate right to our communications. Statist fuck indeed. 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:03:33 PM EDT
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I feel like maybe you don't understand. Even with search warrants, not some covert FBI tin foil CRAP, the information is not being able to be retrieved. This isn't some mass conspiracy, these are child molestors taking pics of you or your neighbors kids, these are drug dealers. Many of them have already been charged but the info for further prosecution can't be received........ask me how I know after busting an auto theft ring Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolutely. Translation of OP's article: "These constitutionally-protected rights are a real problem; big government needs a "final solution" to these problematic rights!" "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:06:12 PM EDT
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The government you would create would be a far larger threat. We've already seen how badly the government has abused FISA courts under Obama. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:08:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:09:58 PM EDT
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Agreed. Privacy and anonymity are two rights that people seem so eager to give up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:10:26 PM EDT
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The DoD CIO memo on DAR was specifically for unclassified laptops as classified ones should have proper physical controls in place to keep them from being walked away with from airports. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Within the DoD at least, data at rest protections are required for all 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:11:26 PM EDT
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DoD CIO memo is not the only applicable guidance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Within the DoD at least, data at rest protections are required for all |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:12:33 PM EDT
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"Alexa! What is 'anonymity'?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:13:24 PM EDT
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FISMA applies to errrrrrrrrrybody, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Within the DoD at least, data at rest protections are required for all |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:13:35 PM EDT
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Oh look you're bringing #Pizzagate into yet another thread. Didn't the owner of the pizza parlor of pizzagate fame get killet? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:13:52 PM EDT
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Good. Bush & Obama have created a complete mass surveillance state. We all have to take steps to protect our privacy and insure our own 4th Amendment rights. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:14:10 PM EDT
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How did they "investigate" before "mobile devices" were a thing? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:16:12 PM EDT
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Yeah yeah credit cards are evil, GPS is only used to track you, Alexa is always listening, and gold is the only currency I use........it's coming at some point regardless of protest sooooo mine as well get used to it ;) |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:17:13 PM EDT
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I feel like maybe you don't understand. Even with search warrants, not some covert FBI tin foil CRAP, the information is not being able to be retrieved. This isn't some mass conspiracy, these are child molestors taking pics of you or your neighbors kids, these are drug dealers. Many of them have already been charged but the info for further prosecution can't be received........ask me how I know after busting an auto theft ring Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolutely. Translation of OP's article: "These constitutionally-protected rights are a real problem; big government needs a "final solution" to these problematic rights!" I'm not a kiddie diddler, and I'm not (I repeat NOT) using insecure or otherwise flawed implementations of encryption on account of the degenerates you arrest. I'm not your problem, they are. And unless you plan on making certain applications of math illegal (I'll print them on a t-shirt if I have to - that's always fun), you're not stopping it either. We're in a new era, and you need to evolve with it. There is not a legislative solution to this. You need to be smarter than the people you're arresting. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:18:25 PM EDT
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If the FBI thinks an individual's data privacy is a problem, then I tend to think that the FBI's mindset is the REAL problem.
PGP-4096 for everybody, all the time! Let them chew on that! |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:19:37 PM EDT
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I feel like maybe you don't understand. Even with search warrants, not some covert FBI tin foil CRAP, the information is not being able to be retrieved. This isn't some mass conspiracy, these are child molestors taking pics of you or your neighbors kids, these are drug dealers. Many of them have already been charged but the info for further prosecution can't be received........ask me how I know after busting an auto theft ring Somewhat like my 2A rights are more important than the government's power to regulate it. I stand firm in my absolutism for all Civil Rights. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:19:49 PM EDT
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DoD CIO memo is not the only applicable guidance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Within the DoD at least, data at rest protections are required for all |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:19:54 PM EDT
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Smash it with a hammer, it's the only way to be sure!
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:19:55 PM EDT
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Is this their way of demanding access via back doors? It's either secure, or it isn't. If the FBI has a back door, so do the Chinese, the Russians, hackers, cranks, and your next door neighbor. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:20:31 PM EDT
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Bummer. Catch them some other way. Try harder. I'm not a kiddie diddler, and I'm not (I repeat NOT) using insecure or otherwise flawed implementations of encryption on account of the degenerates you arrest. I'm not your problem, they are. And unless you plan on making certain applications of math illegal (I'll print them on a t-shirt if I have to - that's always fun), you're not stopping it either. We're in a new era, and you need to evolve with it. There is not a legislative solution to this. You need to be smarter than the people you're arresting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolutely. Translation of OP's article: "These constitutionally-protected rights are a real problem; big government needs a "final solution" to these problematic rights!" I'm not a kiddie diddler, and I'm not (I repeat NOT) using insecure or otherwise flawed implementations of encryption on account of the degenerates you arrest. I'm not your problem, they are. And unless you plan on making certain applications of math illegal (I'll print them on a t-shirt if I have to - that's always fun), you're not stopping it either. We're in a new era, and you need to evolve with it. There is not a legislative solution to this. You need to be smarter than the people you're arresting.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:21:58 PM EDT
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Bonus points for the DeCSS reference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolutely. Translation of OP's article: "These constitutionally-protected rights are a real problem; big government needs a "final solution" to these problematic rights!" I'm not a kiddie diddler, and I'm not (I repeat NOT) using insecure or otherwise flawed implementations of encryption on account of the degenerates you arrest. I'm not your problem, they are. And unless you plan on making certain applications of math illegal (I'll print them on a t-shirt if I have to - that's always fun), you're not stopping it either. We're in a new era, and you need to evolve with it. There is not a legislative solution to this. You need to be smarter than the people you're arresting. 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:21:59 PM EDT
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Anyone who thinks intel types don't have backdoors are fooling themselves. They just don't tip their hand or show off their actual capability for petty stuff like homicide, drug / gun running, or theft. They save it for the big stuff. Well implemented strong encryption isn't just hackable with some bit of knowledge. The laws of physics get in the way. Are there still ways to get to the data? Sure. But just hacking the encryption isn't in the cards. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:23:02 PM EDT
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Lets get tid of the 4th Amendment then. If someone is a whistleblower they can ask the govt for special encryption license.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:23:27 PM EDT
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just clone the phone
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:24:17 PM EDT
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I feel like maybe you don't understand. Even with search warrants, not some covert FBI tin foil CRAP, the information is not being able to be retrieved. This isn't some mass conspiracy, these are child molestors taking pics of you or your neighbors kids, these are drug dealers. Many of them have already been charged but the info for further prosecution can't be received........ask me how I know after busting an auto theft ring Destroying encryption isn't worth catching the occasional shithead. If you take down encryption, you pretty much destroy everything from e-commerce on down. It literally breaks capitalism in the 21st century. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:24:17 PM EDT
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No, they don't. Well implemented strong encryption isn't just hackable with some bit of knowledge. The laws of physics get in the way. Are there still ways to get to the data? Sure. But just hacking the encryption isn't in the cards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone who thinks intel types don't have backdoors are fooling themselves. They just don't tip their hand or show off their actual capability for petty stuff like homicide, drug / gun running, or theft. They save it for the big stuff. Well implemented strong encryption isn't just hackable with some bit of knowledge. The laws of physics get in the way. Are there still ways to get to the data? Sure. But just hacking the encryption isn't in the cards. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:26:12 PM EDT
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Of course not. What particular policy are you going to reference? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:28:20 PM EDT
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Bummer. Catch them some other way. Try harder. I'm not a kiddie diddler, and I'm not (I repeat NOT) using insecure or otherwise flawed implementations of encryption on account of the degenerates you arrest. I'm not your problem, they are. And unless you plan on making certain applications of math illegal (I'll print them on a t-shirt if I have to - that's always fun), you're not stopping it either. We're in a new era, and you need to evolve with it. There is not a legislative solution to this. You need to be smarter than the people you're arresting. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:30:08 PM EDT
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Bonus points for the DeCSS reference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolutely. Translation of OP's article: "These constitutionally-protected rights are a real problem; big government needs a "final solution" to these problematic rights!" I'm not a kiddie diddler, and I'm not (I repeat NOT) using insecure or otherwise flawed implementations of encryption on account of the degenerates you arrest. I'm not your problem, they are. And unless you plan on making certain applications of math illegal (I'll print them on a t-shirt if I have to - that's always fun), you're not stopping it either. We're in a new era, and you need to evolve with it. There is not a legislative solution to this. You need to be smarter than the people you're arresting. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:38:12 PM EDT
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Don't care. You crack the pedo's phone, you have then cracked mine. My 4A rights supersede the police's need to decrypt data. Somewhat like my 2A rights are more important than the government's power to regulate it. I stand firm in my absolutism for all Civil Rights. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:41:46 PM EDT
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I feel like maybe you don't understand. Even with search warrants, not some covert FBI tin foil CRAP, the information is not being able to be retrieved. This isn't some mass conspiracy, these are child molestors taking pics of you or your neighbors kids, these are drug dealers. Many of them have already been charged but the info for further prosecution can't be received........ask me how I know after busting an auto theft ring
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:44:21 PM EDT
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I don’t care. I’m not into giving up liberty for safety. Were you ok with the idea of gun control after sandy hook? Do it for the children. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:46:37 PM EDT
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Encrypt all the things, fuck the Feds.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:47:59 PM EDT
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No ones asking you to give up liberty and now you're just being silly :). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don’t care. I’m not into giving up liberty for safety. Were you ok with the idea of gun control after sandy hook? Do it for the children. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:48:23 PM EDT
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just clone the phone The content is still encrypted even if you make a bit for bit copy of the Flash Rom. It can only be read and decrypted by the SAME serialized CPU that wrote it, AND still requires the correct password as well. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:49:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:52:00 PM EDT
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I feel like maybe you don't understand. Even with search warrants, not some covert FBI tin foil CRAP, the information is not being able to be retrieved. This isn't some mass conspiracy, these are child molestors taking pics of you or your neighbors kids, these are drug dealers. Many of them have already been charged but the info for further prosecution can't be received........ask me how I know after busting an auto theft ring That's fucked up, but it's understandable for guns. If you build better hardware it doesn't necessarily get shared and if you take away mine, the JBTs can keep theirs. The difference is there's no marginal production cost to math. So where physical conflict is prejudiced towards win/lose and lose/win on a 2x2 cooperate/defect matrix, computing infrastructure is biased towards win/win and lose/lose. Every backdoor you build, you build for China. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:52:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:57:43 PM EDT
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If you're requiring him to use cryptographically insecure code (backdoors qualify) by law, then yes you are. |
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