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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:09:41 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. Because political boundaries should be drawn up based solely on distance from a given capital. I take it the United States will be handing Texas over to Mexico immediately. After all, Mexico City is 935 miles away from Austin, where as DC is 1523 miles. Self determination? Who needs it? (sarcasm detected and MUCH appreciated!! Here's some more to back up your point: Yes, and about that pesky Hawaii. Its too far away so lets give it (and its people) to some other country. Or how about Guam. Alaska? Seriously? 
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:10:28 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Actually it might not be http://www.nam.ac.uk/images/online/falklands-war-1982/images/99212.jpg Members of 1st Battalion, 7th Duke of Edinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles applying camouflage cream before going into action, 1982 The guys in the first photo are wearing BD jackets, brodie helmets and '37 pattern webbing and the ones in the background are carrying Enfields. See edit |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:11:03 PM EST
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Try not to get thread locked please |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:12:20 PM EST
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Need some Exocets? I think the French will sell you some.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9767736/Thatchers-blistering-attack-on-French-over-Exocets-during-Falklands.html Thanks for the great pics! |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:13:17 PM EST
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The Ghurkas were indeed there and as usual, proved themselves to be exceptional soldiers.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:13:52 PM EST
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Thanks again for posting the photos mate.
 
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:14:10 PM EST
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Disguised as a container ship? http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_cas0141.jpg didn't work too well. What happened to it? |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:15:18 PM EST
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Try not to get thread locked please Fair enough. Interesting trivia: Brit forces managed to use: -an L42A1 sniper rifle to disable an Argy jet on the ground; the L42 used a scope and action from the Brit's WWII service rifle, the No. 4 Mk. II Enfield! -an 84mm Carl Gustav recoilless rifle; its use would otherwise be unremarkable, but the Brits used it to disable the 100mm automatic cannon on an Argentine light destroyer! (first and only known use of that rifle against a ship). |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:18:49 PM EST
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Like what Teddy Roosevelt once said of a similar war. "A splendid little war" Not really. It was a damn close call for the Brits. A couple lucky Exocet hits and it could have been a bloody shambles. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:18:49 PM EST
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Argentinian Pucaras: http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/falklands/pucara.jpg http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/7/5/3/0437357.jpg http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/falklands/pucara-1.jpg http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2009/04/02/um/fotos/pucara.jpg http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/9/2/8/0449829.jpg http://www.classic-machines.com/gallery/d/422-1/Pucara_1_.jpg http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/7/7/0449772.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/OkoII/gg_8.gif http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/5/1/1546151.jpg  http://youtu.be/rvR2aXIMBco
I've always thought the Pucara was an interesting little CAS/COIN aircraft. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:20:45 PM EST
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Argentinian Pucaras: http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/falklands/pucara.jpg http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/7/5/3/0437357.jpg http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/falklands/pucara-1.jpg http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2009/04/02/um/fotos/pucara.jpg http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/9/2/8/0449829.jpg http://www.classic-machines.com/gallery/d/422-1/Pucara_1_.jpg http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/7/7/0449772.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/OkoII/gg_8.gif http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/5/1/1546151.jpg http://youtu.be/rvR2aXIMBco
I've always thought the Pucara was an interesting little CAS/COIN aircraft. -as applied to those photos, the key word is "was" 
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:20:46 PM EST
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Disguised as a container ship? http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_cas0141.jpg didn't work too well. What happened to it? 
Hit by a Argie Exocet (possibly purchased from the French) |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:21:10 PM EST
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Really cool that Thatcher made a trip down there too.
Great pics. ETA: RIP HMS Sheffield. 
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:23:09 PM EST
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Great pics - need more!
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:23:12 PM EST
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What could the Arigies do to thwart the British landing party
and keep control of the Falklands? Was it simply having air supremacy like almost all battles now? Once the Harriers held airspace over the Islands the gig was over. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:24:06 PM EST
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fuck argentina!
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:24:38 PM EST
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Argentina was a US ally at the time. A lot of the damage to the RN was done by US A4 attack jets flown by pilots we trained.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:26:11 PM EST
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This quote from Simon Weston (soldier who was very seriously burned on board the Sir Galahad) always makes the room dusty...
"My first encounter with a really low point was when they wheeled me into the transit hospital at RAF Lyneham and I passed my mother in the corridor and she said to my gran, "Oh mam, look at that poor boy" and I cried out "Mam, it's me!" And as she recognised my voice her face turned to stone." |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:26:23 PM EST
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Like what Teddy Roosevelt once said of a similar war. "A splendid little war" Not really. It was a damn close call for the Brits. A couple lucky Exocet hits and it could have been a bloody shambles. Only God knows what "could have happened," but I disagree. I think that once they arrived on the islands, Brit victory was a foregone conclusion - particularly with Brit sub(s) effectively denying access to the islands. Their supply lines were cut and their largely conscript-based force on the islands was rather pathetic and unmotivated in the end. This is not to say there were not a few dedicated, capable units, however. Nevertheless, once Thatcher decided to fight, an eventual Brit victory was a foregone conclusion. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:26:39 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. Because political boundaries should be drawn up based solely on distance from a given capital. I take it the United States will be handing Texas over to Mexico immediately. After all, Mexico City is 935 miles away from Austin, where as DC is 1523 miles. Self determination? Who needs it? Yes but of course Texas is a part of the US not Mexico. Your argument would work a whole lot better with maybe Hawaii but really it makes more sense for Hawaii to be a part of the US than it does The Falklands to be a part of the UK, geographicaly anyway. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:27:06 PM EST
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Cool photos. That being said, what's with all this black and white bullshit? It was '82, not '42.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:27:26 PM EST
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fuck argentina! Dude, chill out. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:29:55 PM EST
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Argentinian Pucaras: http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/falklands/pucara.jpg http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/7/5/3/0437357.jpg http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/falklands/pucara-1.jpg http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2009/04/02/um/fotos/pucara.jpg http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/9/2/8/0449829.jpg http://www.classic-machines.com/gallery/d/422-1/Pucara_1_.jpg http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/2/7/7/0449772.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/OkoII/gg_8.gif http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/5/1/1546151.jpg http://youtu.be/rvR2aXIMBco
I've always thought the Pucara was an interesting little CAS/COIN aircraft. +1. It is a neat capability but only in a permissive space. they scared the shit out of the brits and for good reason. Target #1 for the air sorties. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:30:48 PM EST
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Read up on the conflict - you won't be disappointed!
A real risk was taken getting ashore; it could have gone badly wrong. Likewise, the loss of the Atlantic Conveyor (a container ship that was sunk by French Exocet, that thought it was an aircraft carrier) left the landing force greatly short of helicopters. Never to be put off, the troops marched cross the island on foot. At the battle of Goose Green, the Paras were massive outnumbered, but still prevailed (a force of less than 300 captured 1200 Argentines). An old Vulcan nuclear bomber was used to knock the only runway on the Island out of action (another great story) and the loss of the General Belgrano scared the Argies so badly that they recalled their navy to port. Like I said, definitely worth reading up on! |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:31:50 PM EST
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Like what Teddy Roosevelt once said of a similar war. "A splendid little war" Not really. It was a damn close call for the Brits. A couple lucky Exocet hits and it could have been a bloody shambles. Only God knows what "could have happened," but I disagree. I think that once they arrived on the islands, Brit victory was a foregone conclusion - particularly with Brit sub(s) effectively denying access to the islands. Their supply lines were cut and their largely conscript-based force on the islands was rather pathetic and unmotivated in the end. This is not to say there were not a few dedicated, capable units, however. Nevertheless, once Thatcher decided to fight, an eventual Brit victory was a foregone conclusion. Actually it wasn't a foregone conclusion. Proper fusing on some bombs, a few more exocets, some bad weather, a few more weeks in the S. Atlantic during the winter and it wouldn't have happened. the falklands was a close run thing and the brits got lucky in a lot of places. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:33:04 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. Because political boundaries should be drawn up based solely on distance from a given capital. I take it the United States will be handing Texas over to Mexico immediately. After all, Mexico City is 935 miles away from Austin, where as DC is 1523 miles. Self determination? Who needs it? Yes but of course Texas is a part of the US not Mexico. Your argument would work a whole lot better with maybe Hawaii but really it makes more sense for Hawaii to be a part of the US than it does The Falklands to be a part of the UK, geographicaly anyway. And the Falkland's are part of the UK so... Please explain why it makes sense for islands 5,500 miles away from Washington DC to be part of the United States, but islands 7,900 miles from London should not be part of the UK. Once you go past 6,000 miles it becomes a free for all? |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:34:49 PM EST
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Did those poor bastards have to hump those fifties across the island?
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:34:50 PM EST
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1982 vs 2013: 3 important political distinctions to consider:
1) The people of the Falkland Islands were made full Brit subjects after the 1982 Argentinian aggression, 2) last year, those subjects voted overwhelmingly to remain within the U.K., and, 3) oil surveys during the past 5 to 10 years suggest there *may* be significant undersea deposits within the territory of the Falklands. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:35:33 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. well since hawaii is only 4000 miles from tokyo and 5500 miles from washington DC I guess we better hand hawaii over to japan. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:37:55 PM EST
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There was a great deal of interest here in the United States in preventing the Falklands crisis from becoming a fullscale shooting war. Secretary of State Haig spent weeks and thousands of miles in the air shuttling back and forth between London and Buenos Aries to reach a compromise, but the Argentine government would have none of it, mostly because they initiated the conflict as a means of diverting attention from a serious domestic crisis. Once it became clear that an honest agreement could not be reached, President Reagan made it clear that we would back our British allies, and we provided intelligence, air assets, and, reportedly, special forces assistance to the British forces.
Here's a link to a wonderful collection of radio broadcasts about the Falklands War: Radiotapes.com Special Postings on the Falklands War. You youngsters might have heard of radio, that thing that produces only sound, with no pictures. In 1982, in the pre-Internet era, radio was a prime source (perhaps the source) of information about a conflict that involved tremendous distances and widely spread time zones. The CBS broadcasts at the link are well worth the listen.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:44:49 PM EST
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Based on the Sherman meme:
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:45:58 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. Because political boundaries should be drawn up based solely on distance from a given capital. I take it the United States will be handing Texas over to Mexico immediately. After all, Mexico City is 935 miles away from Austin, where as DC is 1523 miles. Self determination? Who needs it? Yes but of course Texas is a part of the US not Mexico. Your argument would work a whole lot better with maybe Hawaii but really it makes more sense for Hawaii to be a part of the US than it does The Falklands to be a part of the UK, geographicaly anyway. By your logic we should give Guam to Japan and Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands to Cuba. We should also hand over American Samoa and the Northern Marianas to whoever wants them as long as they live closer and while we're talking about UK overseas Territories how about they give Diego Garcia (that the US leases as a base) to the nearest country - Iran.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:46:21 PM EST
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Disguised as a container ship? http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_cas0141.jpg didn't work too well. What happened to it? http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/33/media-33715/large.jpg Hit by a Argie Exocet (possibly purchased from the French) What was the name of the ship? Wiki page? |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:46:24 PM EST
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.. . . reach a compromise, but the Argentine government would have none of it, mostly because they initiated the conflict as a means of diverting attention from a serious domestic crisis. . . . .. That sounds eerily like the current situation in Argentina - only they've learned enough from their failed 1982 invasion to NOT try the military route again. Thanks for the links, BTW. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:48:05 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Disguised as a container ship? http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_cas0141.jpg didn't work too well. What happened to it? http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/33/media-33715/large.jpg Hit by a Argie Exocet (possibly purchased from the French) Thankfully they had already transferred all the Harriers to the carriers before she was hit. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:49:09 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Disguised as a container ship? http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_cas0141.jpg didn't work too well. What happened to it? http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/33/media-33715/large.jpg Hit by a Argie Exocet (possibly purchased from the French) What was the name of the ship? Wiki page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Atlantic_Conveyor Her Captain (merchant navy) went down with his ship. RIP.  |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:49:38 PM EST
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The turrets on the wheeled Argentinian armor look like WWII German Tiger II turrets.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:50:41 PM EST
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Disguised as a container ship? http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_cas0141.jpg didn't work too well. What happened to it? http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/33/media-33715/large.jpg Hit by a Argie Exocet (possibly purchased from the French) What was the name of the ship? Wiki page? SS Atlantic Conveyor She was a container ship being used to ferry Harriers to the fleet. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:50:47 PM EST
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Disguised as a container ship? http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_cas0141.jpg didn't work too well. What happened to it? http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/33/media-33715/large.jpg Hit by a Argie Exocet (possibly purchased from the French) Hand break |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:51:32 PM EST
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It was the 80's. why do all of the pictures look like they were taken in 1944?
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:53:29 PM EST
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fuck argentina! Dude, chill out. No. Fuck argentina. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:54:42 PM EST
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Because the photos in both times were shot on film.
This is before the era of digital cameras. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:55:20 PM EST
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The turrets on the wheeled Argentinian armor look like WWII German Tiger II turrets. French Panhard armored vehicles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhard_AML They appear to have the 90mm low-pressure gun. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:56:17 PM EST
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It was the 80's. why do all of the pictures look like they were taken in 1944? Newspapers weren't colorized in 1982. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:57:21 PM EST
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The turrets on the wheeled Argentinian armor look like WWII German Tiger II turrets. French Panhard armored vehicles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhard_AML They appear to have the 90mm low-pressure gun. Look at the turrets themselves (not the guns). They bear a striking resemblance to Tiger II turrets. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 12:58:50 PM EST
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wow love the FN FAL
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:00:00 PM EST
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Quoted: Great pics - need more! Will post more later cooking dinner. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:07:24 PM EST
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If I remember correctly, it wasn't a cake walk?????
Thanks for the pics. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:11:31 PM EST
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Disguised as a container ship? http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/839/Falklands_War_cas0141.jpg didn't work too well. What happened to it? http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/33/media-33715/large.jpg Hit by a Argie Exocet (possibly purchased from the French) What was the name of the ship? Wiki page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Atlantic_Conveyor Her Captain (merchant navy) went down with his ship. RIP. Thanks. |
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Posted: 4/29/2013 1:18:18 PM EST
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1. Obama wants to force the UK to give the Falklands to Argentina. 2. The Gen. Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix, an American cruiser that survived Pearl Harbor and WWII. Well let's see Argentina to Falkland Islands = 900+ miles, London Uk to Falkland Islands 7900+ miles. I don't know any of the history but that sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. Yep. |
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