[ARCHIVED THREAD] - F&D Defense Out of Business (Page 3 of 10)
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Shouldn't you have had an answer before licensing F&D to manufacture your folding stock? 
I thought it odd that someone would post about a virtually unknown gun manufacturer getting busted by ATF.....and five minutes of Googling discovered you (FoldAr) sued F&D last year. I've been an FFL for over eleven years and never heard of "F&D Defense" until today. Quoted:
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Been asking that question for over 5 years now. Apparently just used primarily as a fun-toy tax write-off for oil-man owner.
I thought it odd that someone would post about a virtually unknown gun manufacturer getting busted by ATF.....and five minutes of Googling discovered you (FoldAr) sued F&D last year. I've been an FFL for over eleven years and never heard of "F&D Defense" until today. 
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Actual machines guns with auto sear and select fire installed. |
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Quoted: 1) I never made fun of Larue's facilities.. Quoted: 1) I never made fun of Larue's facilities.. BTW Marky Mark... I sport a 2013 souped-up Makino a51nx.
Does circles around your beat up, crashed-up Haas EC-500 POS. |
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Quoted: 1) I never made fun of Larue's facilities.. BTW Marky Mark... I sport a 2013 souped-up Makino a51nx.
Does circles around your beat up, crashed-up Haas EC-500 POS. |
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What a strange thread. I googled "Corby Hall" and multiple ar15.com threads pop up with OP under multiple user names. In one example, he posed as someone else under the name in the OP. Multiple instances of grandiose claims and vitriol aimed at competitors. OP, I've got zero need for a folding AR with proprietary parts, but maybe some folks will. I'd recommend hiring a marketing person to post in your place. You aren't cut out for this. |
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What a strange thread. I googled "Corby Hall" and multiple ar15.com threads pop up with OP under multiple user names. In one example, he posed as someone else under the name in the OP. Multiple instances of grandiose claims and vitriol aimed at competitors. OP, I've got zero need for a folding AR with proprietary parts, but maybe some folks will. I'd recommend hiring a marketing person to post in your place. You aren't cut out for this. As stated earlier, many of those posts (if not most) were from F&D criminal owners. Particularly ones running down competitors.... with the exception that after Larue attacked me, I responded, and he then was shut down on that conversation by his own lawyer. |
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What a strange thread. I googled "Corby Hall" and multiple ar15.com threads pop up with OP under multiple user names. In one example, he posed as someone else under the name in the OP. Multiple instances of grandiose claims and vitriol aimed at competitors. OP, I've got zero need for a folding AR with proprietary parts, but maybe some folks will. I'd recommend hiring a marketing person to post in your place. You aren't cut out for this. I member when folks used to get bant for that 
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What a strange thread. I googled "Corby Hall" and multiple ar15.com threads pop up with OP under multiple user names. In one example, he posed as someone else under the name in the OP. Multiple instances of grandiose claims and vitriol aimed at competitors. OP, I've got zero need for a folding AR with proprietary parts, but maybe some folks will. I'd recommend hiring a marketing person to post in your place. You aren't cut out for this. |
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No one is trying to market it here, not what this thread was about. And we sell out pretty much everything we make. As stated earlier, many of those posts (if not most) were from F&D criminal owners. Particularly ones running down competitors.... with the exception that after Larue attacked me, I responded, and he then was shut down on that conversation by his own lawyer. Quoted:
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What a strange thread. I googled "Corby Hall" and multiple ar15.com threads pop up with OP under multiple user names. In one example, he posed as someone else under the name in the OP. Multiple instances of grandiose claims and vitriol aimed at competitors. OP, I've got zero need for a folding AR with proprietary parts, but maybe some folks will. I'd recommend hiring a marketing person to post in your place. You aren't cut out for this. As stated earlier, many of those posts (if not most) were from F&D criminal owners. Particularly ones running down competitors.... with the exception that after Larue attacked me, I responded, and he then was shut down on that conversation by his own lawyer. WRT your folding rifle, I'm sure there's a good sized market share for it. Just meant it isn't a need for me personally. |
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OP, you are the former owner of F&D? Before whoever was running it when they got raided? I designed and made all the FD308 and FD338 rifles from 2009-2014 and continued making the receivers and forearm sets for them after that as an independent manufacturer. In a couple years I intend to redesign these for folding/fixed barrel configurations, along with other major design improvements. That was one of the many problems I had with F&D's second owners, they never wanted to improve the product or make it more uniform with other AR10 platforms. Wanted everything to be proprietary and not interchangeable with other brands so they could sell the rifles and parts for a premium and customers had to come to them for things as simple as a replacement bolt or BCG. The biggest problem was their lackadaisical attitude towards everything, especially in regards to FFL compliance. If you were in Shirley's circle, you would quickly see that he would have little problem selling or transferring a gun without going through the proper license requirements. He also didn't care much for keeping up with logbooks or entering lowers into the logbooks once manufactured. His motto repeatedly expressed to me was "its better to ask for forgiveness than for permission"... and these statements were made in the context of ATF/FFL requirements. That line of thinking turned me off back in 2013, which made me start auditing all our FFL applications, logbooks, inventory, etc in early 2014. Once some major discrepancies (some being flat-out illegal) were discovered in early 2014, I started making my move out. And that's when they sued me... and of course I prevailed after much headache and expense. |
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I don't how you'd get that cleared up (F&D posing as you), but the posts are damaging to your image/brand. When we settled our lawsuit in 2014, we released all claims that were (or could be) asserted, so there was nothing to be done after that. You just live with it, make an attempt to explain it, and do your best to overcome it.... and/or just ignore it and wash it out with good product people want to buy. That's basically what LWRC had to do with the PLW drama that took place here back in the 2006/2007 period. |
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Well, I guess everything... -Have the hottest and most loving wife of anyone on this forum. -Got F&D owners out of my life. -Got all my intellectual property rights back. -Have a nice machine shop where I love working. -Have a great product that people love. That doesn't mean its an easy life. But it's what I wanted. |
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What a strange thread. I googled "Corby Hall" and multiple ar15.com threads pop up with OP under multiple user names. In one example, he posed as someone else under the name in the OP. Multiple instances of grandiose claims and vitriol aimed at competitors. OP, I've got zero need for a folding AR with proprietary parts, but maybe some folks will. I'd recommend hiring a marketing person to post in your place. You aren't cut out for this. 
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This guy makes Green0 look like Salesman of the Year by comparison... Quoted:
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What a strange thread. I googled "Corby Hall" and multiple ar15.com threads pop up with OP under multiple user names. In one example, he posed as someone else under the name in the OP. Multiple instances of grandiose claims and vitriol aimed at competitors. OP, I've got zero need for a folding AR with proprietary parts, but maybe some folks will. I'd recommend hiring a marketing person to post in your place. You aren't cut out for this.
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Oh for fucks sake. Are you looking for someone to jerk you off or you just want us to gratify you with our presence while you play pocket pool? Quoted:
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Well, I guess everything... -Have the hottest and most loving wife of anyone on this forum. -Got F&D owners out of my life. -Got all my intellectual property rights back. -Have a nice machine shop where I love working. -Have a great product that people love. That doesn't mean its an easy life. But it's what I wanted. 
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Quoted: Well here's the facts Lebowski (whom refuses to show his identity). 1) I never made fun of Larue's facilities. I simply stated that I have been in there twice. He did have crappy machines, but I don't remember ever publicly stating that. Larue then wanted to make a public argument about it saying that I wasn't signed into his logbook and therefore I was lying about entering his facilities (which I lived literally 3 miles down the road and had several friends working there). Back then there was a dozen ways to enter his facilities legally without signing his visitor logbooks (i.e. employees AND reps who didn't care about his silly visitor logbook which wasnt used by half the people who visited anyways). FoldAR is able to produce up to 1,500 folding uppers per month. We don't run max capacity... yet. And, no, our facility is not as big as Larue's... but it does have potential to become much bigger. Last I saw from Afmers, Larue manufactured less than 2000 firearms annually. 2) It was a decision made by Brian Shirley and Stephen Prentice of F&D to sue LWRC. I was thrown into the mix because of the topic of the suit, which was inventorship of LWRC's product. That suit was resolved to my pleasure, as previously stated. At one short period, I did represent myself. 3) I didn't sue my business partners (Shirley and Prentice), they sued me immediately upon my discovering that the FFL they acquired was fraudulent, and then my decision to immediately remove all of my personally owned manufacturing equipment from the F&D facilities. Their purpose for suing me was to prohibit me from reporting the fraud to the ATF (acquired a no-evidence TRO), which worked for them for the most-part, and the ATF was not able to investigate the matter. Their act of suing me did -of course- result in counterclaims. They did not prevail in their objectives of forcing me to return the equipment, forcing me out of the company, or winning any award against me whatsoever. Refusing to stay attached to them as a business partner, I sold my ownership in F&D to them and started my own company with my equipment as a result, whereas I continued manufacturing their parts independently, and then invented and started producing the folding AR. Of course all of these events were both dramatic and somewhat traumatic in a sense, but... ...still winning... Attached File |
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FoldAR is already dumb expensive and now the owner is coming off as kinda douchey while bitching about the owner of the company he is bitching about being douchey... I think Summer's Eve filed a patent infringement suit. |
 Failed To Load Title  Aaron from FoldAR demonstrating how their takedown AR works |
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BUT HE'S WINNING AND HAS A HOT WIFE YOU GUYZ. Quoted:
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FoldAR is already dumb expensive and now the owner is coming off as kinda douchey while bitching about the owner of the company he is bitching about being douchey... 
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And yet I arrest two separate gang members, in separate incidents with glock auto-sears installed and the ATF won't even pick up the case for the federal charge. $100 bond on both and out the next day. |
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I was thinking bear blood. Like toss this thread in the bear pit and see who gets the most bloody.  Quoted:
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Tiger blood that may be a good direction for this thread for sure lol
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This guy makes Green0 look like Salesman of the Year by comparison... Quoted:
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What a strange thread. I googled "Corby Hall" and multiple ar15.com threads pop up with OP under multiple user names. In one example, he posed as someone else under the name in the OP. Multiple instances of grandiose claims and vitriol aimed at competitors. OP, I've got zero need for a folding AR with proprietary parts, but maybe some folks will. I'd recommend hiring a marketing person to post in your place. You aren't cut out for this. |
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OP should team up with Tooth and Nail Armory.  Failed To Load Title |
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OP, I am ignorant of the company or issues until this thread.
It's obvious you've been personally offended and understandingly want repercussions. I'm just a dumb hillbilly but with a lot of life experience. No reason for anyone to value my opinion on this or many other things I'm not personally experienced with. All the above being acknowledged, I can tell you something you obviously don't understand. You just crossed piss streams with 87% of ARF when you said your wife was better looking than theirs. Hillbilly logic, but plain as the nose on 'her' face. A man values little in these crazy times. The perception of the looks of his wife is one of them. Wife of 5-10 natural blond and perfect body. You just challenged a mans greatest acquisition. Wife of 5-3 dyed color of the week and size 16 clothes. You just besmirched the mother of the mans children. You may know firearms and machinery but any good businesses man knows PEOPLE. Until you can comprehend this your business past will be self replicating. |