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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:23:31 PM EDT
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Don't worry guys, none of the policies being advocated in this thread could ever come back and bite conservatives. Ever. lol |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:23:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TV networks are owned by private entities yet they have to be regulated. If Facebook was just a content server as it was originally started, then I don't think they need to be regulated. But as soon as they start moderating and acting like editors of the content, like they have been doing for a few years, then I believe they need to be regulated. Either way, it's most definitely a public forum. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:23:40 PM EDT
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When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is Facebook public property or domain? ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with. But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly.
When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake? |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:24:00 PM EDT
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Freedom or die. 
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:24:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't care, this is war. Freedom or die. 
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:25:38 PM EDT
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What do you care about conservatives, you just want to protect leftists? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't worry guys, none of the policies being advocated in this thread could ever come back and bite conservatives. Ever. lol Go start your own platform and compete in the marketplace yourself. ETA: *any government. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:26:34 PM EDT
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Speech is not regulated on TV for the point of view of a public forum argument. The media can say what they want, they just can't show tits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: TV networks are owned by private entities yet they have to be regulated. If Facebook was just a content server as it was originally started, then I don't think they need to be regulated. But as soon as they start moderating and acting like editors of the content, like they have been doing for a few years, then I believe they need to be regulated. Either way, it's most definitely a public forum. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:28:00 PM EDT
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June 4, 2018, but the Court ruled in favor of the baker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is Facebook public property or domain? ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with. But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly.
When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake? |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:28:23 PM EDT
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How is Facebook public property or domain? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NOT a public forum?? Is this judge on dope???? 
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But they are responsible for their content. Meaning people can sue them or the FCC can fine them when they do something wrong. Want to talk about things the founding fathers did not envision? Massive, easy to access, private forums with Billions of users. In all honesty, I am not sure there is a Constitutional answer to this issue. Because what happens to Facebook trickles down to all of the internet. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:30:08 PM EDT
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Public accommodation... https://www.zinnedproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Woolsworth-Sit-In.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NOT a public forum?? Is this judge on dope???? https://www.zinnedproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Woolsworth-Sit-In.jpg |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:30:17 PM EDT
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No, the judge is well grounded in the fact that you don't have a right to the internet, and that Facebook is still a private company that is not produced or maintained by a government entity. ETA: seems like judge decided "their website, their rules"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NOT a public forum?? Is this judge on dope???? ETA: seems like judge decided "their website, their rules"? |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:30:26 PM EDT
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Mob rule is great when it's your mob. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're advocating for more government regulation under the rallying cry "freedom"? Bold strategy, Cotton. If nothing is done, it will inevitably happen. They already have a monopoly. I consider the internet to be a free public domain, these businesses are just being allowed to use it. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:32:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don't want the federal government* involved. Go start your own platform and compete in the marketplace yourself. ETA: *any government. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:33:26 PM EDT
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Are they preventing black people from using it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NOT a public forum?? Is this judge on dope???? https://www.zinnedproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Woolsworth-Sit-In.jpg |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:34:47 PM EDT
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The internet can't be allowed to be completely taken over by leftists who censor facts, promote lies, and use their positions to silence political opposition. If nothing is done, it will inevitably happen. They already have a monopoly. I consider the internet to be a free public domain, these businesses are just being allowed to use it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You're advocating for more government regulation under the rallying cry "freedom"? Bold strategy, Cotton. If nothing is done, it will inevitably happen. They already have a monopoly. I consider the internet to be a free public domain, these businesses are just being allowed to use it. Again - there's nothing stopping you from starting your own platform. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:36:03 PM EDT
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Koh
Federal judicial service On January 20, 2010, President Barack Obama nominated Koh on the recommendation of California Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein to a seat on the United States District Court for the Northern District of California vacated by judge Ronald M. Whyte, who assumed senior status in 2009.[4] On March 4, 2010, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted to move her nomination to the full Senate.  The Senate confirmed Koh in a 90–0 vote on June 7, 2010.[9] She received her commission on June 9, 2010.[5]On February 25, 2016, President Obama nominated Koh to serve as a United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, to the seat vacated by Judge Harry Pregerson, who took senior status on December 11, 2015.[10][11] On July 13, 2016 a hearing on her nomination was held before the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary.[12] On September 15, 2016 her nomination was reported out of committee by a vote of 13–7. Her nomination expired on January 3, 2017, with the end of the 114th Congress.[5] President Donald Trump would later appoint Daniel P. Collins to the same seat in 2019.[13] |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:37:31 PM EDT
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There's no meaningful difference. Socialists/communists, are indeed cut from the same cloth as fascists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, "the communists are the real fascists". Socialists/communists, are indeed cut from the same cloth as fascists. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:38:02 PM EDT
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I can't wait for FB to have its own cryptocurrency. I want to see the safe guards and encryption it installs on its servers. FB is as secure as a $5 hookers pussy is.
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:39:01 PM EDT
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Don't post on the internet!
They'll "see" you. Then ... they'll know what you think. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:40:08 PM EDT
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So many closet statists here. Wow. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:40:39 PM EDT
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That judge is an idiot. I bet he got paid by Facebook somewhere.
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:40:52 PM EDT
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The solution to Facebook is not to use it.
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:41:56 PM EDT
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Don't care, this is war. Freedom or die. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: How about you go create a product that fills whatever niche you're talking about instead of begging the federal government to get involved? 1. The federal government did a "soft coup" wargle bargle. 2. The federal government should totally regulate more social media. Pick one, bro. Freedom or die. The Founding Fathers, the heroes of the American Right, were nothing but proto-Nazis. They talked a good game about freedom but they were unabashed white nationalists, they oppressed women and allowed the existence of slavery, the society that created the United States Constitution was profoundly immoral and that's why it needs to be deconstructed and replaced, along with those that prop it up. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:42:35 PM EDT
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The difference is communism fights against the evils of patriarchal white supremacism, while fascism is born of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, "the communists are the real fascists". Socialists/communists, are indeed cut from the same cloth as fascists. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:43:06 PM EDT
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This. It is one fucking web platform and there are a gazillion others out there if you don't like Facebook's rules. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, the judge is well grounded in the fact that you don't have a right to the internet, and that Facebook is still a private company that is not produced or maintained by a government entity. ETA: seems like judge decided "their website, their rules"? |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:43:26 PM EDT
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That judge is an idiot. I bet he got paid by Facebook somewhere. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:43:52 PM EDT
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Arfcom overlords are happy
because it would apply to them. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:45:20 PM EDT
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How would one go about "taking over the internet" and when are you presenting at Blackhat? Again - there's nothing stopping you from starting your own platform. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:46:00 PM EDT
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that's funny. When the state owns your labor (communism) and uses a planned economy vs. a free market that allows you to move and work where you want and buy from a choice of products. I think you are confused as to what evil is. You know what ended real slavery? the Patriarchy. A Christian patriarchy. Read a book. and stop being indoctrinated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, "the communists are the real fascists". Socialists/communists, are indeed cut from the same cloth as fascists. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:46:04 PM EDT
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This. Facebook can't have it both ways--either it is a publisher and can dictate what is put up and taken down and is responsible for it's content, or it is simply a platform and not responsible for it's content. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And this means that Facebook is now a curator or publisher of ideas, and can be sued for libelous postings? |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:46:46 PM EDT
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Arfcom overlords are happy because it would apply to them. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:47:31 PM EDT
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Judge is going to have a nice retirement. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:48:50 PM EDT
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True! And that may happen to Facebook. Might, the platform is quite different, and arguably that interpretation could affect websites like ARFCOM too... Want to talk about things the founding fathers did not envision? Massive, easy to access, private forums with Billions of users. In all honesty, I am not sure there is a Constitutional answer to this issue. Because what happens to Facebook trickles down to all of the internet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: But they are responsible for their content. Meaning people can sue them or the FCC can fine them when they do something wrong. Want to talk about things the founding fathers did not envision? Massive, easy to access, private forums with Billions of users. In all honesty, I am not sure there is a Constitutional answer to this issue. Because what happens to Facebook trickles down to all of the internet. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:50:07 PM EDT
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Well, that was already true.
They aren't held liable for what is said and done on their platform. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:50:39 PM EDT
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They did not rule on the legality of the rule, they ruled that the court was explicitly biased against the Baker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is Facebook public property or domain? ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with. But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly.
When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake? So as I said, On June 4, 2018, the Court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake. In that instance they said it violated the baker's rights. Here, you can read the opinion for yourself. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:52:07 PM EDT
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I object to that. Some entities become so pervasive, so popular and powerful, that they in fact become utilities, and should be so regulated. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:54:08 PM EDT
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No. There's any easy Constitutional answer: The 1st Amendment doesn't apply to Facebook. I don't think there's a single person in this thread advocating government involvement that understands what they really want is the repeal of a law -- the DMCA. Instead of informing themselves, they're clamoring for more laws when passing laws is what created the problem in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: But they are responsible for their content. Meaning people can sue them or the FCC can fine them when they do something wrong. Want to talk about things the founding fathers did not envision? Massive, easy to access, private forums with Billions of users. In all honesty, I am not sure there is a Constitutional answer to this issue. Because what happens to Facebook trickles down to all of the internet. However, there is a strong argument of a shift from the traditional public forum, as envisioned by the Founders, to the internet. The internet itself is not private. It is public in nature, with Private companies residing on public ground. Theoretically, everything on the internet with in the US domain could be regulated, as the internet itself is the public forum. Edit: Maybe my argument is 4 margaritas in and makes no sense. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:57:52 PM EDT
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The difference is communism fights against the evils of patriarchal white supremacism, while fascism is born of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, "the communists are the real fascists". Socialists/communists, are indeed cut from the same cloth as fascists. In the end, when the communists seize the means of production, they'll snuff out the revolutionaries, because they can't have tried and tested revolutionaries challenging the new status quo. I know, I know, it'll be different this time, because people like you are involved in making sure it's done right. When in fact, if you and your fellow travelers are successful, that thought will be the second to last thing that goes through your head. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:59:07 PM EDT
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Don't care, this is war. Freedom or die. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 4:59:52 PM EDT
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Like all left-leaning ideologies, if communism was a viable economic system, it wouldn’t need social media to prop it up and censor it’s detractors.
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:01:32 PM EDT
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True! And that may happen to Facebook. Might, the platform is quite different, and arguably that interpretation could affect websites like ARFCOM too... Want to talk about things the founding fathers did not envision? Massive, easy to access, private forums with Billions of users. In all honesty, I am not sure there is a Constitutional answer to this issue. Because what happens to Facebook trickles down to all of the internet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: But they are responsible for their content. Meaning people can sue them or the FCC can fine them when they do something wrong. Want to talk about things the founding fathers did not envision? Massive, easy to access, private forums with Billions of users. In all honesty, I am not sure there is a Constitutional answer to this issue. Because what happens to Facebook trickles down to all of the internet. Listen to yourself. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:02:14 PM EDT
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Yeah, that's what the New Left has been saying for decades. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:02:38 PM EDT
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It's funny when WASPs try to take any credit for progressivism, they've had to be dragged kicking and screaming the whole way by their moral betters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, "the communists are the real fascists". Socialists/communists, are indeed cut from the same cloth as fascists. You know who showed up in this thread defending FB? All the resident 'Statists'.... |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:04:51 PM EDT
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About time ARF got with the new left program Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:05:53 PM EDT
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Who says Progressivism had been good? You know who the Progressives of the 20th century have been? The Statists. All Statists. Wilson, Mussolini, Lenin,Stalin, Hitler, etc... I bet you are conflating 'Progress' with 'Progressivism'... You know who showed up in this thread defending FB? All the resident 'Statists'.... |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:06:41 PM EDT
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Lots of folks here love big government when it suits them. Their company, their rules. Or, more government? You can't have both. If you want it both ways, you are no different than the "left" that most on this site fights against on a daily basis.. Maybe a few people on here need to pick up a constitution and read it for themselves. https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution Knowledge is power!!! |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:07:35 PM EDT
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Shocking.
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Posted: 7/21/2019 5:07:43 PM EDT
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NOT a public forum?? Is this judge on dope???? |
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