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Link Posted: 7/21/2019 5:42:15 PM EST
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Federal law prohibits an American citizen or resident to travel to a foreign country with intent to engage in any form of sexual conduct with a minor (defined as persons under 18 years of age).  It is also illegal to help organize or assist another person to travel for these purposes.  This crime is a form of human trafficking, also referred to as child sex tourism. Convicted offenders face fines and up to 30 years of imprisonment

edit: has the civics class brigade read Marsh v Alabama yet?
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I’m ok with that.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 5:43:21 PM EST
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I mean, it could be considered private forum, such as a theater, or even the realm of art exhibit. I know that sounds weird, but theater owners and owners of art studios who have exhibited vulgar and rude content have usually be given a pass and free from censor.

Just saying this isn't a one or another thing. They don't have to be public forum or publisher. Hell, the courts could define something new.
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Then, it is a publisher and should be liable for all the content it publishes, as a newspaper or book publisher. Facebook should not be allowed to have it both ways. That is all we "statists" (LOL!) are pointing out.
I mean, it could be considered private forum, such as a theater, or even the realm of art exhibit. I know that sounds weird, but theater owners and owners of art studios who have exhibited vulgar and rude content have usually be given a pass and free from censor.

Just saying this isn't a one or another thing. They don't have to be public forum or publisher. Hell, the courts could define something new.
Because you have to buy your way in so it isn’t public?
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 5:45:53 PM EST
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Let me help you understand with a quote from the Court's opinion:

"The Free Exercise Clause bars even “subtle departures from neutrality” on matters of religion. Id., at 534.  Here, that means the Commission was obliged under  the  Free  Exercise  Clause  to  proceed  in  a  manner  neutral  toward  and  tolerant  of  Phillips’  religious  beliefs.

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The  official  expressions  of  hostility  to  religion  in  some  of  the  commissioners’  comments—comments  that  were  not  disavowed  at  the  Commission  or  by  the  State  at  any  point  in  the  proceedings  that led to affirmance of the order—were inconsistent with what  the  Free  Exercise  Clause  requires."

Now let me break it down in easily understandable bits:

1.  The Free Exercise Clause bars even subtle departures from neutrality when considering religious rights under that clause.

2.  The Colorado Commission's departure from neutrality wasn't subtle.

3.  When a part of the Constitution protects someone's rights and requires the government to behave in a certain manner when weighing those rights, you have violated that person's Constitutionally protected right to a neutral consideration of their rights under that clause.
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How is Facebook public property or domain?
The same way a bakery is forced to bake cakes for people that broadcast First Amendment views that the bakery owners religiously disagree with. Either it applies to ALL public places or it applies to none, can't have it both ways.

ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with.  But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly.


When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake?
June 4, 2018, but the Court ruled in favor of the baker.
They did not rule on the legality of the rule, they ruled that the court was explicitly biased against the Baker.
You're right they didn't rule that a regulation requiring bakeries to bake gay wedding cakes was illegal.  The U.S. Supreme Court held that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission's order that the baker in that case must bake a gay wedding cake violated his right to the free exercise of his religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment, and they reversed the order.

So as I said, On June 4, 2018, the Court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake.  In that instance they said it violated the baker's rights.

Here, you can read the opinion for yourself.
No, they ruled that they were not neutral in their application of free exercise.
Let me help you understand with a quote from the Court's opinion:

"The Free Exercise Clause bars even “subtle departures from neutrality” on matters of religion. Id., at 534.  Here, that means the Commission was obliged under  the  Free  Exercise  Clause  to  proceed  in  a  manner  neutral  toward  and  tolerant  of  Phillips’  religious  beliefs.

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The  official  expressions  of  hostility  to  religion  in  some  of  the  commissioners’  comments—comments  that  were  not  disavowed  at  the  Commission  or  by  the  State  at  any  point  in  the  proceedings  that led to affirmance of the order—were inconsistent with what  the  Free  Exercise  Clause  requires."

Now let me break it down in easily understandable bits:

1.  The Free Exercise Clause bars even subtle departures from neutrality when considering religious rights under that clause.

2.  The Colorado Commission's departure from neutrality wasn't subtle.

3.  When a part of the Constitution protects someone's rights and requires the government to behave in a certain manner when weighing those rights, you have violated that person's Constitutionally protected right to a neutral consideration of their rights under that clause.
None of that supports the statement I highlighted in red.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 5:48:31 PM EST
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NOT a public forum?? Is this judge on dope????
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I object to that. Some entities become so pervasive, so popular and powerful, that they in fact become utilities, and should be so regulated.
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you guys mean like Facebook

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and other carriers?
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 5:50:59 PM EST
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So, we're allowing advocacy for communism on Arfcom now?

Just another opinion, huh?
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 5:52:19 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/21/2019 5:59:45 PM EST
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And this means that Facebook is now a curator or publisher of ideas, and can be sued for libelous postings?
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I hope so. Fuckerberg can choke on a bag of dicks.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:03:33 PM EST
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None of that supports the statement I highlighted in red.
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How is Facebook public property or domain?
The same way a bakery is forced to bake cakes for people that broadcast First Amendment views that the bakery owners religiously disagree with. Either it applies to ALL public places or it applies to none, can't have it both ways.

ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with.  But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly.


When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake?
June 4, 2018, but the Court ruled in favor of the baker.
They did not rule on the legality of the rule, they ruled that the court was explicitly biased against the Baker.
You're right they didn't rule that a regulation requiring bakeries to bake gay wedding cakes was illegal.  The U.S. Supreme Court held that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission's order that the baker in that case must bake a gay wedding cake violated his right to the free exercise of his religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment, and they reversed the order.

So as I said, On June 4, 2018, the Court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake.  In that instance they said it violated the baker's rights.

Here, you can read the opinion for yourself.
No, they ruled that they were not neutral in their application of free exercise.
Let me help you understand with a quote from the Court's opinion:

"The Free Exercise Clause bars even “subtle departures from neutrality” on matters of religion. Id., at 534.  Here, that means the Commission was obliged under  the  Free  Exercise  Clause  to  proceed  in  a  manner  neutral  toward  and  tolerant  of  Phillips’  religious  beliefs.

* * *

The  official  expressions  of  hostility  to  religion  in  some  of  the  commissioners’  comments—comments  that  were  not  disavowed  at  the  Commission  or  by  the  State  at  any  point  in  the  proceedings  that led to affirmance of the order—were inconsistent with what  the  Free  Exercise  Clause  requires."

Now let me break it down in easily understandable bits:

1.  The Free Exercise Clause bars even subtle departures from neutrality when considering religious rights under that clause.

2.  The Colorado Commission's departure from neutrality wasn't subtle.

3.  When a part of the Constitution protects someone's rights and requires the government to behave in a certain manner when weighing those rights, you have violated that person's Constitutionally protected right to a neutral consideration of their rights under that clause.
None of that supports the statement I highlighted in red.
Except that's exactly what it does.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:06:02 PM EST
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An Øbama appointee, I'm shocked!
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:12:01 PM EST
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And there's the first time I've ever seen you promoting the concept of private property and less gov't interference, aside from sarcastically trolling others.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:16:04 PM EST
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An Øbama appointee, I'm shocked!
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Who appointed the judge is completely irrelevant in this case.

Anyone with a basic grasp of high school civic should be able to understand this ruling, as it complies with a fundamental premise of Constitutional law.

This is very basic stuff. I find it disconcerting how many commentators here cannot grasp it.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:16:43 PM EST
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And there's the first time I've ever seen you promoting the concept of private property and less gov't interference, aside from sarcastically trolling others.
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And there's the first time I've ever seen you promoting the concept of private property and less gov't interference, aside from sarcastically trolling others.
Consider that in the larger context of what's happening in this country, and it will make more sense.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:21:14 PM EST
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Who appointed the judge is completely irrelevant in this case.

Anyone with a basic grasp of high school civic should be able to understand this ruling, as it complies with a fundamental premise of Constitutional law.

This is very basic stuff. I find it disconcerting how many commentators here cannot grasp it.
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Not surprising at all for GD.  Just the other day a member here said the mods were violating another posters First Amendment rights.  LOL and a
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:22:50 PM EST
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the constitution is only good when it agrees with you.
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So many closet statists here.  Wow.
the constitution is only good when it agrees with you.
What about monopoly laws, then? The purpose of gov't interference is to ensure an honest, level playing field, and it is to be done with the least amount of gov't involvement as possible. (Hence why I believe insider trading by public officials or affiliates ought to be a capital offense, punishable by nothing less than execution. Lead by example)

Fuckerberg, google, etc buy out and curb stomp any potential competition with impunity, effectively strangling new platforms in the cradle.

And of course, free speech is either all-encompassing, or it's not. The law says it's not. Per current law, facebook should be sued into the ground for attempts to influence elections, for slander/libel, harassment, discrimination, etc. Discrimination based on disability, political views, religion, or race, for instance; we already have laws against discrimination that apply to businesses, why wouldn't they apply to FB?

If fags can sue a christian bakery to get them to bake a cake, why wouldn't it be feasible to sue facebook or google for taking down or censoring conservative viewpoints?
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:25:00 PM EST
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That "judge" is an imbecile.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:27:26 PM EST
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You guys saying "good" are literally saying "well, as long as the court says its okay, we can continue to cede and censure conservative messages".

Thanks i guess. With friends like you, who needs democrats? You're fucking siding with them while we get shutted out, marginalized. Then when we're a miniority in our own country. "Well i got mine, be poor somewhere else, should have bought cheap and stacked deep,"
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:28:14 PM EST
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If Facebook is moderating content, which they are, then they are a publisher.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:28:57 PM EST
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Because you have to buy your way in so it isn’t public?
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I would think membership itself qualifies it as private? Really I am spit balling here after a bunch of drinks.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:29:30 PM EST
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If Facebook is moderating content, which they are, then they are a publisher.
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Editing based on political opinion.

Yes. They are a publisher.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:30:11 PM EST
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Except that's exactly what it does.
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How is Facebook public property or domain?
The same way a bakery is forced to bake cakes for people that broadcast First Amendment views that the bakery owners religiously disagree with. Either it applies to ALL public places or it applies to none, can't have it both ways.

ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with.  But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly.


When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake?
June 4, 2018, but the Court ruled in favor of the baker.
They did not rule on the legality of the rule, they ruled that the court was explicitly biased against the Baker.
You're right they didn't rule that a regulation requiring bakeries to bake gay wedding cakes was illegal.  The U.S. Supreme Court held that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission's order that the baker in that case must bake a gay wedding cake violated his right to the free exercise of his religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment, and they reversed the order.

So as I said, On June 4, 2018, the Court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake.  In that instance they said it violated the baker's rights.

Here, you can read the opinion for yourself.
No, they ruled that they were not neutral in their application of free exercise.
Let me help you understand with a quote from the Court's opinion:

"The Free Exercise Clause bars even “subtle departures from neutrality” on matters of religion. Id., at 534.  Here, that means the Commission was obliged under  the  Free  Exercise  Clause  to  proceed  in  a  manner  neutral  toward  and  tolerant  of  Phillips’  religious  beliefs.

* * *

The  official  expressions  of  hostility  to  religion  in  some  of  the  commissioners’  comments—comments  that  were  not  disavowed  at  the  Commission  or  by  the  State  at  any  point  in  the  proceedings  that led to affirmance of the order—were inconsistent with what  the  Free  Exercise  Clause  requires."

Now let me break it down in easily understandable bits:

1.  The Free Exercise Clause bars even subtle departures from neutrality when considering religious rights under that clause.

2.  The Colorado Commission's departure from neutrality wasn't subtle.

3.  When a part of the Constitution protects someone's rights and requires the government to behave in a certain manner when weighing those rights, you have violated that person's Constitutionally protected right to a neutral consideration of their rights under that clause.
None of that supports the statement I highlighted in red.
Except that's exactly what it does.
I'm starting to question whether or not you understand what you are quoting. The court did not decide whether or not a state can compel a baker to bake a cake, they ruled that when the Colorado supreme court decided the case they were not neutral in their application of the law. It overturned the ruling not on the substance of the law, but rather on procedural grounds for how the state applied the law.
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That "judge" is an imbecile.
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Why? What makes Facebook a public forum, and qualifies that judge as a imbecile?
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:31:54 PM EST
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You guys saying "good" are literally saying "well, as long as the court says its okay, we can continue to cede and censure conservative messages".

Thanks i guess. With friends like you, who needs democrats? You're fucking siding with them while we get shutted out, marginalized. Then when we're a miniority in our own country. "Well i got mine, be poor somewhere else, should have bought cheap and stacked deep,"
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Lol, what's the phrase, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:34:11 PM EST
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What do you care about conservatives, you just want to protect leftists?
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Don't worry guys, none of the policies being advocated in this thread could ever come back and bite conservatives.  Ever.  lol
What do you care about conservatives, you just want to protect leftists?
Actually, they wouldn't. We're advocating for what is legal, rather than beneficial.  S230 protections exist with a price, and they know that. Don't want to pay the price, then you don't get the special legal protections. THAT is what so many of the pseudo-intellectuals around here fail to understand.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:36:59 PM EST
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How would one go about "taking over the internet" and when are you presenting at Blackhat?

Again - there's nothing stopping you from starting your own platform.
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You're advocating for more government regulation under the rallying cry "freedom"?

Bold strategy, Cotton.
The internet can't be allowed to be completely taken over by leftists who censor facts, promote lies, and use their positions to silence political opposition.

If nothing is done, it will inevitably happen. They already have a monopoly.

I consider the internet to be a free public domain, these businesses are just being allowed to use it.
How would one go about "taking over the internet" and when are you presenting at Blackhat?

Again - there's nothing stopping you from starting your own platform.
Except money and unfair competition.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:38:27 PM EST
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Actually, they wouldn't. We're advocating for what is legal, rather than beneficial.  S230 protections exist with a price, and they know that. Don't want to pay the price, then you don't get the special legal protections. THAT is what so many of the pseudo-intellectuals around here fail to understand.
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These "special legal protections" apply to every entity on the internet that host third-party content - including Arfcom.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:39:15 PM EST
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I would think membership itself qualifies it as private? Really I am spit balling here after a bunch of drinks.
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I aspire to be you in an hour when I’m off work.
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I mean, it could be considered private forum, such as a theater, or even the realm of art exhibit. I know that sounds weird, but theater owners and owners of art studios who have exhibited vulgar and rude content have usually be given a pass and free from censor.

Just saying this isn't a one or another thing. They don't have to be public forum or publisher. Hell, the courts could define something new.
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Freedom from government censors, yes, but we are not talking about government censorship.

Rather, we are talking immunity from civil liability for the content they carry. Sites such as Facebook were given by the CDA immunity from lawsuits for content they carried as they would be considered a platform, not a publisher. Today, these sites routinely curate content, the way that publishers do. If they are now acting as publishers, should they not be held to the rules for publishers?

That is the issue here. Has nothing whatever to do with expanding government power or statism. Government already has rules for publishers.

Many of us think it is time to apply those rules to Facebook/Google/Twitter/etc.
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Here's a good primer on Section 230 of the CDA by a guy who literally wrote a book on the subject.  Worth a read.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/6/21/18700605/section-230-internet-law-twenty-six-words-that-created-the-internet-jeff-kosseff-interview
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Why? What makes Facebook a public forum, and qualifies that judge as a imbecile?
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Facebook requests special protections, as a platform. Meaning they are not liable for content that users posts. But once Facebook starts editing content, they're supposed to be in violation of that and become a publisher. Which should strip them of lawsuit immunity from stuff that is posted on their site...... because they are actively modifying user content and banning users for political statements.

They should not be given immunity afforded to Platforms, while they get to delete content they don't like on their site.

some of you people.....
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I find it at least a little ironic that those calling for "less regulation", saying "their site their rules" etc. are completely ignoring the fact that Facebook is already covered by regulation such as communication decency act.  This is like saying we should have open borders since it permits free movement, while completely ignoring the vast welfare state that ought not to exist under an ideal system, yet does exist nonetheless.

The key problem here is that Facebook (and other left-coast big tech companies) are trying to game the system by both claiming to be a public forum (and receive the benefits of doing so) while behaving in a way that undoubtedly takes sides.  It's not just taking sides on matters of speech either.  Just a few weeks ago, Facebook had a policy which explicitly permitted violent threats against individuals and groups so long as they were on the Orwellian-sounding "Dangerous Individuals and Organisations Policy".  IANAL but somehow I don't think permitting illegal activity under any circumstances is going to fly, much less Facebook itself deciding who is and isn't allowed to be violently attacked!

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Threats that could lead to death (and other forms of high-severity violence) of any target(s), where threat is defined as any of the following:
Statements of intent to commit high-severity violence
Calls for high-severity violence (unless the target is an organisation or individual covered in the Dangerous Individuals and Organisations Policy)
Including content where no target is specified but a symbol represents the target and/or includes a visual of an armament to represent violence
Statements advocating for high-severity violence (unless the target is an organisation or individual covered in the Dangerous Individuals and Organisations Policy)
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I think the ruling makes sense -- Facebook is not a public forum.  It claims to be but it does not behave as one.  Imagine if you went into a mall or a town park and there were people who were allowed to attack you?  They are acting as a private entity and should be subject to the consequences of that, including liability for illegal activity which occurs on their platform (especially if they are explicitly allowing it!)
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Facebook was started in a garage right? Myspace was king at the time.

Half the people in this thread are asking the government to regulate a company they see as unfair. Fine. I understand being scared and wanting a Republican President to do something about it, even if it means sacrificing the Constitution.

But is there no long term thought process? If that government demon is unleashed and allowed, do you think ARFCOM would stand a chance?
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Facebook was started in a garage right? Myspace was king at the time.

Half the people in this thread are asking the government to regulate a company they see as unfair. Fine. I understand being scared and wanting a Republican President to do something about it, even if it means sacrificing the Constitution.

But is there no long term thought process? If that government demon is unleashed and allowed, do you think ARFCOM would stand a chance?
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Except money and unfair competition.
Facebook was started in a garage right? Myspace was king at the time.

Half the people in this thread are asking the government to regulate a company they see as unfair. Fine. I understand being scared and wanting a Republican President to do something about it, even if it means sacrificing the Constitution.

But is there no long term thought process? If that government demon is unleashed and allowed, do you think ARFCOM would stand a chance?
It really isn't about government take over or the 1st amendment.

It is about Facebook losing lawsuit immunity because they've become a publisher when they started censoring content. JFC.
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Facebook requests special protections, as a platform. Meaning they are not liable for content that users posts. But once Facebook starts editing content, they're supposed to be in violation of that and become a publisher. Which should strip them of lawsuit immunity from stuff that is posted on their site...... because they are actively modifying user content and banning users for political statements.

They should not be given immunity afforded to Platforms, while they get to delete content they don't like on their site.

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Couldn't they just argue they are curating content for their user base, the same way Publishers curate content? Or editing for inaccuracy? (Whether it is accurate or not)? A newspaper can delete an opinion piece. A News Media Website can retract an article? What prevents Facebook from saying that's what they are doing?
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 6:49:26 PM EST
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In the Article it says:
"First Amendment protections granted by the U.S. Constitution."

The Constitution only OUTLINES our Rights, it does not give them and those Rights predate Government...so even if Government "outlaws" or "bans", or writes legislation up against our Rights that legislation is "Null and Void" and it is our Duty as Citizens to ignore Unjust Laws. Government cannot give you anything unless it has taken it from you beforehand.
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It really isn't about government take over or the 1st amendment.

It is about Facebook losing lawsuit immunity because they've become a publisher when they started censoring content. JFC.
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Look, you seem to be taking this amazingly seriously, while I am just plain drunk. If you can't have a civil discourse without getting sassy, well, I simply am disappointing. I expect better.

Sad state of affairs this guy is.
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In the Article it says:
"First Amendment protections granted by the U.S. Constitution."

The Constitution only OUTLINES our Rights, it does not give them and those Rights predate Government...so even if Government "outlaws" or "bans", or writes legislation up against our Rights that legislation is "Null and Void" and it is our Duty as Citizens to ignore Unjust Laws. Government cannot give you anything unless it has taken it from you beforehand.
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So your saying we have a right to Facebook? Or that Facebook has a right to sensor content on its Private website? Or that Facebook is a Pubic forum, and we the people should fight to take it! Give it to the masses!
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How about Facebook is not a government actor, so there are no restraints upon it arising from the First Amendment?
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Facebook was started in a garage right? Myspace was king at the time.

Half the people in this thread are asking the government to regulate a company they see as unfair. Fine. I understand being scared and wanting a Republican President to do something about it, even if it means sacrificing the Constitution.

But is there no long term thought process? If that government demon is unleashed and allowed, do you think ARFCOM would stand a chance?
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It was started in a Harvard dorm room and then expanded in a house in Palo Alto.  They made a movie about it.
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It was started in a Harvard dorm room and then expanded in a house in Palo Alto.  They made a movie about it.
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Mehhh, so a Boston out house. Close enough.
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Are they preventing black people from using it?
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NOT a public forum?? Is this judge on dope????
How is Facebook public property or domain?
Public accommodation...

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Are they preventing black people from using it?
Bake my cake.
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 7:05:50 PM EST
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Would you guys be more comfortable if FB was called, "Leftist Crap Posting Sight Sponsored by Socialists and Communists".  Because that is what it is and we don't need the government to control it. Use your own discretion for crying out loud. Government doesn't need to get involved, be an adult and log off if you don't like it.
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So your saying we have a right to Facebook? Or that Facebook has a right to sensor content on its Private website? Or that Facebook is a Pubic forum, and we the people should fight to take it! Give it to the masses!
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I'm sorry, did you say Facebook? Not LifeLog?
Link Posted: 7/21/2019 7:07:58 PM EST
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Couldn't they just argue they are curating content for their user base, the same way Publishers curate content? Or editing for inaccuracy? (Whether it is accurate or not)? A newspaper can delete an opinion piece. A News Media Website can retract an article? What prevents Facebook from saying that's what they are doing?
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They could, but they would then effectively give up the "public forum" label they are trying to keep to maintain special immunity from liability for their content.  If a publisher commits libel, or a tv / radio company commits slander, they can be held liable for it.

They are allowed to moderate content to remove generally "bad" things like criminal activity.  But as we saw earlier this month, they have even explicitly allowed criminal activity as long as it is against people they disagree with!  If their purpose in moderating content is for the public good, then allowing criminal activity seems to be a bad way of going about that.
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Would you guys be more comfortable if FB was called, "Leftist Crap Posting Sight Sponsored by Socialists and Communists".  Because that is what it is and we don't need the government to control it. Use your own discretion for crying out loud. Government doesn't need to get involved, be an adult and log off if you don't like it.
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Nobody is saying govt should get involved in "stopping" Facebook. What is being said is Facebook should not be granted immunity from lawsuits from everybody. If Facebook is actively deleting and blocking content.

A platform like Facebook should not have it both ways. But they are continued to be allowed to have it both ways.
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First Amendment covers .GOV infringement on your free speech.

FB is a private entity.

Judge is correct.
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*Nevermind*
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I'm starting to question whether or not you understand what you are quoting. The court did not decide whether or not a state can compel a baker to bake a cake, they ruled that when the Colorado supreme court decided the case they were not neutral in their application of the law. It overturned the ruling not on the substance of the law, but rather on procedural grounds for how the state applied the law.
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How is Facebook public property or domain?
The same way a bakery is forced to bake cakes for people that broadcast First Amendment views that the bakery owners religiously disagree with. Either it applies to ALL public places or it applies to none, can't have it both ways.

ETA: I disagree with this point of ruling by SCOTUS, I believe businesses are private and can discriminate against views they disagree with.  But SCOTUS opened that genie up and it should be abolished or applied evenly.


When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake?
June 4, 2018, but the Court ruled in favor of the baker.
They did not rule on the legality of the rule, they ruled that the court was explicitly biased against the Baker.
You're right they didn't rule that a regulation requiring bakeries to bake gay wedding cakes was illegal.  The U.S. Supreme Court held that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission's order that the baker in that case must bake a gay wedding cake violated his right to the free exercise of his religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment, and they reversed the order.

So as I said, On June 4, 2018, the Court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake.  In that instance they said it violated the baker's rights.

Here, you can read the opinion for yourself.
No, they ruled that they were not neutral in their application of free exercise.
Let me help you understand with a quote from the Court's opinion:

"The Free Exercise Clause bars even “subtle departures from neutrality” on matters of religion. Id., at 534.  Here, that means the Commission was obliged under  the  Free  Exercise  Clause  to  proceed  in  a  manner  neutral  toward  and  tolerant  of  Phillips’  religious  beliefs.

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The  official  expressions  of  hostility  to  religion  in  some  of  the  commissioners’  comments—comments  that  were  not  disavowed  at  the  Commission  or  by  the  State  at  any  point  in  the  proceedings  that led to affirmance of the order—were inconsistent with what  the  Free  Exercise  Clause  requires."

Now let me break it down in easily understandable bits:

1.  The Free Exercise Clause bars even subtle departures from neutrality when considering religious rights under that clause.

2.  The Colorado Commission's departure from neutrality wasn't subtle.

3.  When a part of the Constitution protects someone's rights and requires the government to behave in a certain manner when weighing those rights, you have violated that person's Constitutionally protected right to a neutral consideration of their rights under that clause.
None of that supports the statement I highlighted in red.
Except that's exactly what it does.
I'm starting to question whether or not you understand what you are quoting. The court did not decide whether or not a state can compel a baker to bake a cake, they ruled that when the Colorado supreme court decided the case they were not neutral in their application of the law. It overturned the ruling not on the substance of the law, but rather on procedural grounds for how the state applied the law.
I understand exactly what it is says, but it's fairly clear that you're failing to understand what I said.  Let's recap:

When has the supreme court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake?

June 4, 2018, but the Court ruled in favor of the baker.

They did not rule on the legality of the rule, they ruled that the court was explicitly biased against the Baker.


Was a bakery ordered to bake a cake?

Was that order overturned by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on June 4, 2018?

Does the U.S. Supreme Court overturn orders that are legal?

Did the U.S. Supreme Court hold that the baker's rights were violated?

They did not rule on the legality of the rule, they ruled that the court was explicitly biased against the Baker.

Ignore the distinction between a substantive basis and a procedural basis, and follow along with what I wrote:

You're right they didn't rule that a regulation requiring bakeries to bake gay wedding cakes was illegal.  The U.S. Supreme Court held that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission's order that the baker in that case must bake a gay wedding cake violated his right to the free exercise of his religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment, and they reversed the order.

So as I said, On June 4, 2018, the Court ruled on the legality of forcing a bakery to bake a cake.  In that instance they said it violated the baker's rights.


I really don't know how I can make it any clearer for you.
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They should be able to run the company any way they want. Nobody is forcing you to use it and it's not run by the government.
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How is Facebook public property or domain?
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Correct
Facebook is a privately owned company.
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