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Posted: 3/14/2021 4:40:53 PM EDT
[#1]
Dimensioned drawings for swift links, lightning links, and DIAS need to be proliferated everywhere.
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Posted: 3/14/2021 4:41:25 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not really representing the situation, although the absurdity of it all is really on point. You can own jigs that make any of these class II parts, just don't have a part marked as if you intend to make it. NFA prosecutions in this case require a basis of intent to construct a regulated part. Owning tools to make them is not intent alone, but marking a part for completion is. Within the verbiage of the law, it does sound like intent to manufacture a regulated part. The absurdity of it all, if he had created a jig, basically a reverse cutout for a Lighting Link, he would have avoided this all. And he could have supplied the blank metal as a seperate item. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: so if you drew a lighting link on a piece of paper, shit, if you had a PDF of a lighting link, are they saying the PLAN for a machine gun is now a machine gun - just the knowledge? that sure sounds like thought crime to me. That's not really representing the situation, although the absurdity of it all is really on point. You can own jigs that make any of these class II parts, just don't have a part marked as if you intend to make it. NFA prosecutions in this case require a basis of intent to construct a regulated part. Owning tools to make them is not intent alone, but marking a part for completion is. Within the verbiage of the law, it does sound like intent to manufacture a regulated part. The absurdity of it all, if he had created a jig, basically a reverse cutout for a Lighting Link, he would have avoided this all. And he could have supplied the blank metal as a seperate item. Or if he just sold plastic lightning links. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 4:42:37 PM EDT
[#3]
I have a 1980’s book with all the plans to make a sten gun . Are books banned now too ? It even has full size templates in it.
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Posted: 3/14/2021 4:45:20 PM EDT
[#4]
Everybody should be able to have the ability to fire full auto even though it's a complete waste for the vast majority of people. Unless you have access to vast supplies of ammo and are part of a fire and maneuver element or built up static defense.
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Posted: 3/14/2021 4:49:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It requires a certain personality type and mindset to want to be a BATF Agent. Asshole The world is full of them. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 5:12:24 PM EDT
[#6]
I investigated myself and found no wrong doing.
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Posted: 3/14/2021 5:29:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let the OP think he was bringing news to the GD as he rarely posts and this one was number 87 for him  Thanks man, I try to contribute whenever I can. I actually did a search before posting. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 5:44:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Around here the average Vette owner is a sixty something guy with grey chest hair sprouting from his Hawaiian shirt, doing 5 MPH under the speed limit, while shitbox cars whizz around him left and right. Just saying. Obviously my statement went right over your head. They should not arrest people for crimes they could commit vs crimes they have committed. My state it is illegal t hunt coyotes with a center fire on state land except during deer season because you could poach a deer. Even though you have a yore decoy and call squealing and you have a 5.56 loaded with ammo specific to varmits. But, you could poach a deer. How about arrest poachers. Same goes for this guy's product or sports car owners. No crime has been committed buy etching to card. Cut it out, yep you broke the law |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 8:37:31 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The bit the arrow is pointing to is the part that interacts with a swift link / lightning link / auto sear to make an AR fire full auto: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/260765/65218-4e8969be5d458964e06c60989c82f0e2_j-1865365.JPG Neither one of those BCAs will work with a lightning link. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 8:54:25 PM EDT
[#10]
Is my rock river ar now an 81% machine gun?
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:28:45 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. Shoulda bought one when I had the chance.  Your avatar makes me horny. Me so horny! |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:40:12 PM EDT
[#12]
Does that thing work with a standard AR or do you also have to insert other M-16 parts for it to work. Asking for a friend.
 
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:43:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Around here the average Vette owner is a sixty something guy with grey chest hair sprouting from his Hawaiian shirt, doing 5 MPH under the speed limit, while shitbox cars whizz around him left and right. Just saying. I passed a pristine C5 convertible slowly being driven by a septugenarian in a yuppish gated PUD. He was going 10 mph and I 18mph, in a 20 zone. I got to a light and he rolled up next to me and honked his horn. I put my passenger window down and he was blah blah blah YOU PASSED me on a curve! WE DONT DRIVE LIKE THAT IN BRIDGE VIEW" In his ghey condensending accent. I blankly stared at him and said, NO THANK YOU IM STRAIGHT. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN GHEY ORAL SEX FROM YOU. REALLY IM FLATTERED BUT JUST NOT IN TO THAT...and the dude had a kaniption as the light turned green and I rolled away |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:44:31 PM EDT
[#14]
So, if the ATF isn't offering an "amnesty" to those who purchased it....
They can't require or request the owners to contact them, can they? I mean 5th Amendment protection against self-incrimination..... US v Haynes similar? |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:46:10 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These stories are generated to push the narrative that AR15s are machine guns. Get ready for a bunch more in the next week or so. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:48:31 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I passed a pristine C5 convertible slowly being driven by a septugenarian in a yuppish gated PUD. He was going 10 mph and I 18mph, in a 20 zone. I got to a light and he rolled up next to me and honked his horn. I put my passenger window down and he was blah blah blah YOU PASSED me on a curve! WE DONT DRIVE LIKE THAT IN BRIDGE VIEW" In his ghey condensending accent. I blankly stared at him and said, NO THANK YOU IM STRAIGHT. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN GHEY ORAL SEX FROM YOU. REALLY IM FLATTERED BUT JUST NOT IN TO THAT...and the dude had a kaniption as the light turned green and I rolled away Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Around here the average Vette owner is a sixty something guy with grey chest hair sprouting from his Hawaiian shirt, doing 5 MPH under the speed limit, while shitbox cars whizz around him left and right. Just saying. I passed a pristine C5 convertible slowly being driven by a septugenarian in a yuppish gated PUD. He was going 10 mph and I 18mph, in a 20 zone. I got to a light and he rolled up next to me and honked his horn. I put my passenger window down and he was blah blah blah YOU PASSED me on a curve! WE DONT DRIVE LIKE THAT IN BRIDGE VIEW" In his ghey condensending accent. I blankly stared at him and said, NO THANK YOU IM STRAIGHT. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN GHEY ORAL SEX FROM YOU. REALLY IM FLATTERED BUT JUST NOT IN TO THAT...and the dude had a kaniption as the light turned green and I rolled away Perfect! 
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:54:19 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are the only two state names ever in titles Texas and California?  Florida? |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:54:55 PM EDT
[#18]
This guy had an Instagram page.
I posted a thread asking if anyone had heard of the "autokey card". |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 9:57:49 PM EDT
[#19]
I wonder if this is the guy who was selling what amounted to 80 percent lightning links several years back. Description sounds right.
IIRC they wanted a money order, made out to cash and they sent a piece of metal with lines scribed on it telling you where to bend. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:00:01 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not really representing the situation, although the absurdity of it all is really on point. You can own jigs that make any of these class II parts, just don't have a part marked as if you intend to make it. NFA prosecutions in this case require a basis of intent to construct a regulated part. Owning tools to make them is not intent alone, but marking a part for completion is. Within the verbiage of the law, it does sound like intent to manufacture a regulated part. The absurdity of it all, if he had created a jig, basically a reverse cutout for a Lighting Link, he would have avoided this all. And he could have supplied the blank metal as a seperate item. What are your thoughts on 3d print files? Your interpretation could mean the end of certain 3d print files being legal and then all of them with easy legislation. Has traditionally been protected but the first amendment, as should these cards. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:00:50 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is total BS, but I also don’t get why the ATF has such a hard on against machine guns. Are they arresting people for having a tick mark on a barrel marking it under 16” and a hacksaw in their garage? It’s the exact same law. They act like turning an AR15 into an MG takes it from a benign target rifle to a nuclear weapon. It’s just silly at this point. Hell, a vent rib barrel has several marks, factory installed for cutting. Just cut at the rib support you like. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:06:45 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dimensioned drawings for swift links, lightning links, and DIAS need to be proliferated everywhere. Would be to bad if thousands of these pen holders were handed out at every gun shop. Like business cards |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:06:53 PM EDT
[#23]
I hope every agent and prosecutor involved develops the most painful, lingering, uncurable form of cancer possible.
I hope they all die a slow, horrible death. In perfect possession of their mental faculties so they can realize the extent of whats happening to them and appreciate every last second of the pain. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:08:25 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like how a lot of you guys think everyone you disagree with is a communist. Not all of them are communists. Some of them are jihadis. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:14:01 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are your thoughts on 3d print files? Your interpretation could mean the end of certain 3d print files being legal and then all of them with easy legislation. Has traditionally been protected but the first amendment, as should these cards. Intent will always be a Grey area of the law. How intent is proved in a court will be the grand factor here. Whether its a digital file or physical blue prints, seems the same to me. The ATF has never gone after the analogs, so I don't see them going for the digital copies. Intent to manufacture a class II item doesn't have a standard. However, so far they have only gone after parts, since that is the primary component in the law. The law doesn't list "files" blue prints or tools(jigs). So if you're going to be charged I believe there must be a physical part present, and it can be shown you intend to make it class II. So.. this guy could have just sold fucking stickers with the cutouts for a LL... would have been legal. But instead he sold the actual part, and marked it for someone to complete. It would be incredibly hard to prove there was ANY other intent behind what he sold. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:17:17 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Intent will always be a Grey area of the law. How intent is proved in a court will be the grand factor here. Whether its a digital file or physical blue prints, seems the same to me. The ATF has never gone after the analogs, so I don't see them going for the digital copies. Intent to manufacture a class II item doesn't have a standard. However, so far they have only gone after parts, since that is the primary component in the law. The law doesn't list "files" blue prints or tools(jigs). So if you're going to be charged I believe there must be a physical part present, and it can be shown you intend to make it class II. So.. this guy could have just sold fucking stickers with the cutouts for a LL... would have been legal. But instead he sold the actual part, and marked it for someone to complete. It would be incredibly hard to prove there was ANY other intent behind what he sold. He sold flat pieces of metal with information on them. Lets not tie ourselves up in knots trying to justify a bunch of bullshit that was never constitutional in the first place. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:30:45 PM EDT
[#27]
The Occupational government is so frightened it doesn't want anyone to even have metal that "might" be turned into lightning links. They are scared.
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:34:56 PM EDT
[#28]
I have three thumbs and even my non mechanical ass can easily fashion a lightning link from what is available online. It's all online. Heck, I bet I can fashion one with some wire ships and thin sheet metal.
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:36:14 PM EDT
[#29]
Are we going to protest and blow up their phone lines or just sit and shake our heads?
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:37:33 PM EDT
[#30]
Fuck the ATF.
Thats a news headline for scared Karens and dumbasses. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:47:13 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He sold flat pieces of metal with information on them. Lets not tie ourselves up in knots trying to justify a bunch of bullshit that was never constitutional in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Intent will always be a Grey area of the law. How intent is proved in a court will be the grand factor here. Whether its a digital file or physical blue prints, seems the same to me. The ATF has never gone after the analogs, so I don't see them going for the digital copies. Intent to manufacture a class II item doesn't have a standard. However, so far they have only gone after parts, since that is the primary component in the law. The law doesn't list "files" blue prints or tools(jigs). So if you're going to be charged I believe there must be a physical part present, and it can be shown you intend to make it class II. So.. this guy could have just sold fucking stickers with the cutouts for a LL... would have been legal. But instead he sold the actual part, and marked it for someone to complete. It would be incredibly hard to prove there was ANY other intent behind what he sold. He sold flat pieces of metal with information on them. Lets not tie ourselves up in knots trying to justify a bunch of bullshit that was never constitutional in the first place. It's a metal business card size piece that is pre-cut so you punch out the needed piece and bend it then install it. He called them pen holders. Kinda like solvent traps.  |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 10:56:11 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He sold flat pieces of metal with information on them. Lets not tie ourselves up in knots trying to justify a bunch of bullshit that was never constitutional in the first place. Point is the law exists and the ATF has drawn a line with marking parts. It's not my justification, but if you want to fuck with the NFA good luck. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 11:04:45 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryNo because of the guys annoying looking face in every picture in which he is depicted. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 11:10:03 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is total BS, but I also don’t get why the ATF has such a hard on against machine guns. Are they arresting people for having a tick mark on a barrel marking it under 16” and a hacksaw in their garage? It’s the exact same law. They act like turning an AR15 into an MG takes it from a benign target rifle to a nuclear weapon. It’s just silly at this point. It's about control and justifying bigger budgets. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 11:12:45 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mega dupe but for those who didn't know, they were metal cards with the parts for a lightning link outlined on them so they could be easily dremeled out. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 11:14:20 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a 1980's book with all the plans to make a sten gun . Are books banned now too ? It even has full size templates in it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 11:18:43 PM EDT
[#37]
I don't have time to read this, I have a meeting with Hunter to smoke crack and have sex with under ages. Suppose to discuss the vast opportunities in the Ukraine that have become even more profitable since Daddy bidden is a higher up official.
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Posted: 3/14/2021 11:33:31 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad I didn't buy one of those things, hell I'd not even heard of them before now, but fuck the ATF with a rusty coat hanger. When will gun owners finally band together and say enough? We don't need to be violent, but we can put a stop to this bullshit. The left organizes and gathers to stop things they don't like, but we can't be bothered. Soon they will come for this site, and anything and everything you've ever said will be used against us all. The left can block off an ICE detention center, set things on fire, and threaten violence for weeks and nothing will happen. If we show up and protest the ATF with happy little signs and then clean up the park after ourselves we will be hunted down by all means available and labeled domestic terrorists. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 11:40:54 PM EDT
[#39]
I think it was a bit more difficult than just "punching out"
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Posted: 3/14/2021 11:48:02 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a metal business card size piece that is pre-cut so you punch out the needed piece and bend it then install it. He called them pen holders. Kinda like solvent traps. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179550/E87A370E-D452-428E-BFE8-C79B99B2CFB8-1866070.png They look anneal-marked to me. "punch out the needed piece" Can you describe that step for me? In what way is it "punched out?" It looks alot like a fucking mess of bent shit waiting to happen if you try to punch that out with a hammer and punch over a hole. You could maybe "cut" it out with a cold chisel an a hammer using the lines as a guide. Which makes them alot more like information placed on a piece of metal than a part in and of itself. |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 11:50:04 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's to stop someone from 3D printing a lightning link? Nothing at all. But it would be alot easier to just make one out of a piece of spring steel and a drill press and hand file. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 12:26:50 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They need to arrest Corvette owners for racing and speeding because they obviously can and bought the cars for that purpose. Don’t worry, EPA is all over that. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 1:02:43 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I passed a pristine C5 convertible slowly being driven by a septugenarian in a yuppish gated PUD. He was going 10 mph and I 18mph, in a 20 zone. I got to a light and he rolled up next to me and honked his horn. I put my passenger window down and he was blah blah blah YOU PASSED me on a curve! WE DONT DRIVE LIKE THAT IN BRIDGE VIEW" In his ghey condensending accent. I blankly stared at him and said, NO THANK YOU IM STRAIGHT. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN GHEY ORAL SEX FROM YOU. REALLY IM FLATTERED BUT JUST NOT IN TO THAT...and the dude had a kaniption as the light turned green and I rolled away  |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 2:38:18 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I passed a pristine C5 convertible slowly being driven by a septugenarian in a yuppish gated PUD. He was going 10 mph and I 18mph, in a 20 zone. I got to a light and he rolled up next to me and honked his horn. I put my passenger window down and he was blah blah blah YOU PASSED me on a curve! WE DONT DRIVE LIKE THAT IN BRIDGE VIEW" In his ghey condensending accent. I blankly stared at him and said, NO THANK YOU IM STRAIGHT. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN GHEY ORAL SEX FROM YOU. REALLY IM FLATTERED BUT JUST NOT IN TO THAT...and the dude had a kaniption as the light turned green and I rolled away 
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Posted: 3/15/2021 12:57:45 PM EDT
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"It is the nature of governments to become and remain corrupt, because only the most venal among men are attracted to governing." (Me, 2021)
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