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Link Posted: 7/8/2015 3:46:06 PM EDT
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Furthermore it's an absolutely accurate statement.  While being drunk doesn't excuse crimes that take place against you, you put yourself in a position where having a crime happen against you is much more likely to happen.

Just as I should be able to walk Washington Park in Chicago with a stack of hundreds sticking out of my pocket, doing so greatly increases my chances of having a crime committed against me.
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That's almost word for word what they taught us in SAPR training.

The instructor said that if either party has been drinking, it isn't consensual.   There was nervous laughter.


Furthermore it's an absolutely accurate statement.  While being drunk doesn't excuse crimes that take place against you, you put yourself in a position where having a crime happen against you is much more likely to happen.

Just as I should be able to walk Washington Park in Chicago with a stack of hundreds sticking out of my pocket, doing so greatly increases my chances of having a crime committed against me.


I asked the instructor if it was okay for LCpls to go out to bars, have a few beers and try to get laid.  He said, "No, if anyone has been drinking, it isn't consensual sex."

I also asked him if it was okay for me an my wife to split a bottle of red wine, and then have a go at it.   He said, "No, if anyone has been drinking, it isn't consensual sex."


I don't think anyone took him seriously after that.

Link Posted: 7/8/2015 3:49:25 PM EDT
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Second battalion is best battalion.

Amen!!  Plt 2080 here! 1Jul - 30Sep 77. I can't remember if we were in D or F Co. though.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 4:06:32 PM EDT
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Second battalion is best battalion.

Amen!!  Plt 2080 here! 1Jul - 30Sep 77. I can't remember if we were in D or F Co. though.
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You weren't in Delta. Delta is in 1st Battalion.

2nd Bn. is Echo through Hotel, IIRC.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 4:10:05 PM EDT
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I don't know shit but from reading the article I surmise it was her attitude toward sexual assault that got her canned.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 4:11:12 PM EDT
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Sounds to me like she's exactly the kind of officer that should be running training.



Tells the truth, and keeps her Marines alive.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 4:46:54 PM EDT
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Every effective leader must have the ability to turn it on.  Otherwise you are going to get walked on.  



You spent your marine career at the fire team level.  You were indoctrinated in the proper manner of behaving.  In different units, and at different times, you don't have that homogeneity of culture.



Being a nice guy all the time is a luxury of being in a good unit.



Anyone can command a good unit.



Unfuck a screwed up one.



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Again no.










There is a time and place to come down hard.  And that time and place for officers is few and far between.  There is significantly more time to be an asshole as an NCO and SNCO.  Though that somewhat depends on the billet.  




This isn't a draft military, and you can not treat the enlisted like this was the last stop before either the poor house or jail.  Because it isn't.  This means your leadership style should reflect the current situation.  Being an asshole does not reflect the current situation.  
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 4:54:58 PM EDT
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Draftee soldiers had more options than our current bunch.

Being as asshole is an essential tool in your tool box.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 4:57:52 PM EDT
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Also, if she was so good at improving marksmanship... what's with her pizza boxes?
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 5:01:32 PM EDT
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Also, if she was so good at improving marksmanship... what's with her pizza boxes?
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Also, if she was so good at improving marksmanship... what's with her pizza boxes?


It wasn't her job to become a "top shot", just to make sure the WMs qualified.  From what the article said she did it well.

From 2014-2015, average first-time rifle qualification rates for the depot's three male battalions improved from 93 percent to 96 percent, said Col. Jeff Fultz, chief of staff for Parris Island and the Eastern Recruiting Region. During the same timeframe, rifle qual rates for the female battalion soared from 79 percent to 91 percent.


That's a pretty significant improvement IMO.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 5:05:29 PM EDT
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It wasn't her job to become a "top shot", just to make sure the WMs qualified.  From what the article said she did it well.



That's a pretty significant improvement IMO.
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Also, if she was so good at improving marksmanship... what's with her pizza boxes?


It wasn't her job to become a "top shot", just to make sure the WMs qualified.  From what the article said she did it well.

From 2014-2015, average first-time rifle qualification rates for the depot's three male battalions improved from 93 percent to 96 percent, said Col. Jeff Fultz, chief of staff for Parris Island and the Eastern Recruiting Region. During the same timeframe, rifle qual rates for the female battalion soared from 79 percent to 91 percent.


That's a pretty significant improvement IMO.



Link Posted: 7/8/2015 5:08:24 PM EDT
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Also, if she was so good at improving marksmanship... what's with her pizza boxes?


It wasn't her job to become a "top shot", just to make sure the WMs qualified.  From what the article said she did it well.

From 2014-2015, average first-time rifle qualification rates for the depot's three male battalions improved from 93 percent to 96 percent, said Col. Jeff Fultz, chief of staff for Parris Island and the Eastern Recruiting Region. During the same timeframe, rifle qual rates for the female battalion soared from 79 percent to 91 percent.


That's a pretty significant improvement IMO.


http://www.farmlib.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/PencilIRL1.jpg



Intro of RCOs and EREK kits in recruit training
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 5:09:00 PM EDT
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Also, if she was so good at improving marksmanship... what's with her pizza boxes?


It wasn't her job to become a "top shot", just to make sure the WMs qualified.  From what the article said she did it well.

From 2014-2015, average first-time rifle qualification rates for the depot's three male battalions improved from 93 percent to 96 percent, said Col. Jeff Fultz, chief of staff for Parris Island and the Eastern Recruiting Region. During the same timeframe, rifle qual rates for the female battalion soared from 79 percent to 91 percent.


That's a pretty significant improvement IMO.


http://www.farmlib.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/PencilIRL1.jpg


That's not the proper caliber:



That's a .223 pen.  
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 5:22:56 PM EDT
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Meh. Most effective commanders are either bitches or assholes. Hell, most men brag about their assholishness. As long as they get the job done and keep their men alive, who gives a flying fuck?
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I know said LtCol, to say she is a bitch is bit of an understatement

Meh. Most effective commanders are either bitches or assholes. Hell, most men brag about their assholishness. As long as they get the job done and keep their men alive, who gives a flying fuck?

Was not my experience.  In fact just the opposite.  Poor officers try to mask their lack of ability by being an asshole (but only to everyone junior to them).  Just because some great commanders were also assholes (Patton for example) doesn't make every asshole Patton.

ETA - In light of Sylvan's post, above - poor officers will be an asshole even in a good unit.  That guy will ruin that unit.  I saw that one first hand too.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 5:33:46 PM EDT
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I'd hit it.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 5:37:32 PM EDT
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Can't have "bossy" women, even in the corps apparently
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 5:40:41 PM EDT
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Let me give you an example why you MUST have the ability to be an asshole to be an effective officer.

I got back from mid tour leave and as soon as I got back to the COP, my O6 (there were 15 of us on the COP O6 and staff.  no PSD) tells me:

"I'm relieving LTC X.  Pack your shit, take a 3X9 to Eagle Base.  Tell LTC X he is relieved and have him come back on the convoy.  You will take over."

I don't have the time to be the nice guy.  I don't have the time to explain whats going on.  I don't have the time to get buy in.  I have to change a fucked up command climate and I have to do it instantly.  I have to change lax behavior in a minute or more people are going to die."

I relieved half my subordinate commanders in 2 weeks.  NCOICs as well.  I would have fired more if I had the bench.  But I unfucked the command and not a single american under my command got so much as a purple heart while I still stacked enemy KIA like cordwood.  
Yeah.  I got lucky.  Yeah.  I had good men, generally, to work with.  Yeah.  I hated having to be the asshole.  But thats sometimes the only way to do what must be done.  My men didn't love me.  But they lived to hate me.  And thats the price of real leadership.

This chick was told to make girls into marines.  not chicks into female marines.  but fucking marines who can run, do pull ups and shoot their fucking rifles.  and maybe she was a fucking cunt doing it.

oh well.

ETA.

Forgot. One dude got a scratch and was RTD.  But he did get a purple heart.  And ARCOM V
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 5:57:07 PM EDT
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I asked the instructor if it was okay for LCpls to go out to bars, have a few beers and try to get laid.  He said, "No, if anyone has been drinking, it isn't consensual sex."



I also asked him if it was okay for me an my wife to split a bottle of red wine, and then have a go at it.   He said, "No, if anyone has been drinking, it isn't consensual sex."





I don't think anyone took him seriously after that.



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That's almost word for word what they taught us in SAPR training.



The instructor said that if either party has been drinking, it isn't consensual.   There was nervous laughter.





Furthermore it's an absolutely accurate statement.  While being drunk doesn't excuse crimes that take place against you, you put yourself in a position where having a crime happen against you is much more likely to happen.



Just as I should be able to walk Washington Park in Chicago with a stack of hundreds sticking out of my pocket, doing so greatly increases my chances of having a crime committed against me.




I asked the instructor if it was okay for LCpls to go out to bars, have a few beers and try to get laid.  He said, "No, if anyone has been drinking, it isn't consensual sex."



I also asked him if it was okay for me an my wife to split a bottle of red wine, and then have a go at it.   He said, "No, if anyone has been drinking, it isn't consensual sex."





I don't think anyone took him seriously after that.







 
That's pretty much to the book what the Air Force is currently training people. Also that you should only drink 3 drinks, with only one an hour at a maximum. People really seem to follow these expectations
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 6:07:27 PM EDT
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Let me give you an example why you MUST have the ability to be an asshole to be an effective officer.

I got back from mid tour leave and as soon as I got back to the COP, my O6 (there were 15 of us on the COP O6 and staff.  no PSD) tells me:

"I'm relieving LTC X.  Pack your shit, take a 3X9 to Eagle Base.  Tell LTC X he is relieved and have him come back on the convoy.  You will take over."

I don't have the time to be the nice guy.  I don't have the time to explain whats going on.  I don't have the time to get buy in.  I have to change a fucked up command climate and I have to do it instantly.  I have to change lax behavior in a minute or more people are going to die."

I relieved half my subordinate commanders in 2 weeks.  NCOICs as well.  I would have fired more if I had the bench.  But I unfucked the command and not a single american under my command got so much as a purple heart while I still stacked enemy KIA like cordwood.  
Yeah.  I got lucky.  Yeah.  I had good men, generally, to work with.  Yeah.  I hated having to be the asshole.  But thats sometimes the only way to do what must be done.  My men didn't love me.  But they lived to hate me.  And thats the price of real leadership.

This chick was told to make girls into marines.  not chicks into female marines.  but fucking marines who can run, do pull ups and shoot their fucking rifles.  and maybe she was a fucking cunt doing it.

oh well.

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Forgot. One dude got a scratch and was RTD.  But he did get a purple heart.  And ARCOM V
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Thanks for sharing that.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 6:32:32 PM EDT
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I knew it was fucked when The Great and Mighty General Mattis was forced to retire.
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Thanks libatards for fucking up USMC.  

I knew it was fucked when The Great and Mighty General Mattis was forced to retire.


The Man who should have been CMC......Gen. Mattis.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 7:07:56 PM EDT
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All of a sudden, I'm hungry for some pizza...

Back in the day we called them toilet bowls.  3rd RTB H. Co. (78) everyone else is a pogue.  




























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Link Posted: 7/8/2015 9:51:29 PM EDT
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You weren't in Delta. Delta is in 1st Battalion.

2nd Bn. is Echo through Hotel, IIRC.
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Second battalion is best battalion.

Amen!!  Plt 2080 here! 1Jul - 30Sep 77. I can't remember if we were in D or F Co. though.

You weren't in Delta. Delta is in 1st Battalion.

2nd Bn. is Echo through Hotel, IIRC.


So it was F then. Ha ha, F Troop!!  
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 10:00:45 PM EDT
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And not a peep will be heard from the "Woman's Rights" groups because she is in the Military.

If she was a commie activist professor with a faked resume they'd be calling for Obama to intervene. And he would.
Link Posted: 7/8/2015 10:13:15 PM EDT
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Radical Feminism isn't about equal rights or opportunity. It's about affirmitive action. Set asides. Quotas. Instant guilty verdict (sans due process) for offenses against women.

They want the position without the work.

The Colonel didn't fit the narrative.

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The new order is about weakening the United States military and making it weak before the world.....she was Borked.
Link Posted: 7/23/2015 3:18:39 PM EDT
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Well, the CI is certainly an interesting read, even with the redactions.



http://ec.militarytimes.com/static/pdfs/MCRD-PI-Inv_Redacted.pdf
Link Posted: 7/23/2015 3:40:36 PM EDT
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Well, the CI is certainly an interesting read, even with the redactions.

http://ec.militarytimes.com/static/pdfs/MCRD-PI-Inv_Redacted.pdf
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"DEOMI". Fuck that!
Link Posted: 7/23/2015 3:45:06 PM EDT
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That's not the proper caliber:



http://www.icsid.org/database/images/display/sb4bbf913526778.jpg



That's a .223 pen.
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Also, if she was so good at improving marksmanship... what's with her pizza boxes?




It wasn't her job to become a "top shot", just to make sure the WMs qualified. From what the article said she did it well.





From 2014-2015, average first-time rifle qualification rates for the depot's three male battalions improved from 93 percent to 96 percent, said Col. Jeff Fultz, chief of staff for Parris Island and the Eastern Recruiting Region. During the same timeframe, rifle qual rates for the female battalion soared from 79 percent to 91 percent.




That's a pretty significant improvement IMO.




http://www.farmlib.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/PencilIRL1.jpg





That's not the proper caliber:



http://www.icsid.org/database/images/display/sb4bbf913526778.jpg



That's a .223 pen.


I knew an E5 that became an E4 for attempting that.
Link Posted: 7/23/2015 3:49:54 PM EDT
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"DEOMI". Fuck that!

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Well, the CI is certainly an interesting read, even with the redactions.



http://ec.militarytimes.com/static/pdfs/MCRD-PI-Inv_Redacted.pdf




"DEOMI". Fuck that!

They redacted in whole all of the comments from the DEOMI survey, which are about the only useful part of the survey.



 
Link Posted: 7/29/2015 8:16:28 AM EDT
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USNI Article

Annnnd a bump too, I guess.

There are two pressures in the further integration of female Marines; one is from a socio-political camp of the senior civilian leadership, the other is from the operation side of the Marine Corps. The later former has two sides to it as well – a paternalistic passive-aggressive vibe that doesn’t expect as much from women as men and therefor sees no reason to demand it , and another that is driven by the worst sophomore gender-studies seminar course theory.
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Annnnd a bump too, I guess.




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Annnnd a bump too, I guess.




There are two pressures in the further integration of female Marines; one is from a socio-political camp of the senior civilian leadership, the other is from the operation side of the Marine Corps. The later former has two sides to it as well – a paternalistic passive-aggressive vibe that doesn’t expect as much from women as men and therefor sees no reason to demand it , and another that is driven by the worst sophomore gender-studies seminar course theory.
From LtCol Germano's unpublished article:




High standards for performance should never be gender-normed and,
barring physiological differences, concrete evidence shows that women
can perform to the same standards as their counterparts if it is
demanded of them.
That's the crux of the issue, isn't it?  Can we and should we bar physiological differences from discussions and careful analysis of this issue?  Are physiological differences important when it comes to recruiting, training, and equipping our warfighters?  If they are important, can the differences be effectively managed or mitigated?  At what cost, and is the juice worth the squeeze?
 
Link Posted: 7/29/2015 12:57:46 PM EDT
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Annnnd a bump too, I guess.

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Annnnd a bump too, I guess.

There are two pressures in the further integration of female Marines; one is from a socio-political camp of the senior civilian leadership, the other is from the operation side of the Marine Corps. The later former has two sides to it as well – a paternalistic passive-aggressive vibe that doesn’t expect as much from women as men and therefor sees no reason to demand it , and another that is driven by the worst sophomore gender-studies seminar course theory.

Thanks for posting that--I look forward to reading it after work.
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