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Posted: 8/7/2024 10:37:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is beyond fucking ridiculous. Whoever made the decision to launch people in that death trap, at NASA and Boeing, needs to be under indictment for attempted murder.   Serenity (1/10) Movie CLIP - Fall on Your Sword (2006) HD |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 10:41:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Less likely than the Stayliner crew running out of oxygen b/c the SM thrusters failed in such away they couldn't orient correctly to perform the retro burn or the retro thrusters failed AND SpaceX not being able to get to them in time to perform a heroic rescue spacewalk straight out of early 60's science fiction. IE, if 27 of the 28 SM thrusters work to get the Stayliner in the correct orientation for the retro burn, and the retro engines work, the CM's thrusters will work well enough to keep the CM in the correct orientation for reentry. The question is all about those 27 thrusters - given they've already shut down the 28th. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's my view on the subject. We have a long established precedent of aircraft and even airliners having serious flaws in their flight control systems. But what Boeing did with the 737 MAX was laziness and greed of a high order. As discussed in detail in this thread and elsewhere. There's some people and companies who demonstrate that they can't be trusted. And for every story of a plane saved by luck and/or a skilled pilot. We have plenty that were not. Ideally this event will not result in two more deaths if NASA chooses the Starliner return with astronauts and it fails in a manner that causes breakup during entry. I am a bit sad that my prediction of a SpaceX Crew Dragon "Uber" flight may not even be on the table. I wonder if NASA did not want to pay that cost, they did not want additional negative press for Boeing...or SpaceX could not make it happen in a timely manner. Again, it's extremely unlikely the Stayliner Command Module would fail to reenter the atmosphere safely. There's been no questions about the CM thrusters. The concern is about the Service Module thrusters - given one has failed, the possibility exists the SM could fail to get the craft in the correct orientation for the retro burn - in which case, the crew could run out of oxygen before the orbit decays sufficiently for reentry. Your Dragon Uber flight is very much on the table. Are you reading your own thread? Define extremely unlikely. Less likely than the Stayliner crew running out of oxygen b/c the SM thrusters failed in such away they couldn't orient correctly to perform the retro burn or the retro thrusters failed AND SpaceX not being able to get to them in time to perform a heroic rescue spacewalk straight out of early 60's science fiction. IE, if 27 of the 28 SM thrusters work to get the Stayliner in the correct orientation for the retro burn, and the retro engines work, the CM's thrusters will work well enough to keep the CM in the correct orientation for reentry. The question is all about those 27 thrusters - given they've already shut down the 28th. They don't need to do a heroic space walk to get them in the Dragon. Boeing just needs to figure out their autonomous software that they swear is still loaded. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 10:43:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, it's extremely unlikely the Stayliner Command Module would fail to reenter the atmosphere safely. There's been no questions about the CM thrusters. The concern is about the Service Module thrusters - given one has failed, the possibility exists the SM could fail to get the craft in the correct orientation for the retro burn - in which case, the crew could run out of oxygen before the orbit decays sufficiently for reentry. Your Dragon Uber flight is very much on the table. Are you reading your own thread? Silly question. The "Uber" mission would be a dedicated flight to provide a return capsule back to Earth. It would not be a modified Crew-9 flight. It might be commanded by Isaacman or possibly one of the two Axiom astronauts. It would not stay at the ISS for months. Perhaps just a week or so as required to give Butch and Sunni sufficient training prior to their trip home. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 10:57:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not? People thought reusing boosters was insane and now it’s routine. Crew Dragon has an escape capability if there is a serious booster problem prior to or after launch. I don't know if Starliner does. If that escape capability is a requirement, the current Starship does not appear to have that capability. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 10:58:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. Its not a physically taxing thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dragon will bring them home, but Musk ain't going to be on that ride. Fact, he is not physically fit enough to make the ride and it would make zero sense for him to risk EVERYTHING he has worked for. He will remain the boss and smoke weed with Joe. Lol. Its not a physically taxing thing. Yep. John Glenn at 77.... |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 11:03:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crew Dragon has an escape capability if there is a serious booster problem prior to or after launch. I don't know if Starliner does. If that escape capability is a requirement, the current Starship does not appear to have that capability. The Shuttle didn't have crew escape capability either... Well... Columbia had ejection seats for 2 but they were taken out later. There is precedent there. Not good precedent I admit. But it is there. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 11:23:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Silly question. The "Uber" mission would be a dedicated flight to provide a return capsule back to Earth. It would not be a modified Crew-9 flight. It might be commanded by Isaacman or possibly one of the two Axiom astronauts. It would not stay at the ISS for months. Perhaps just a week or so as required to give Butch and Sunni sufficient training prior to their trip home. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Again, it's extremely unlikely the Stayliner Command Module would fail to reenter the atmosphere safely. There's been no questions about the CM thrusters. The concern is about the Service Module thrusters - given one has failed, the possibility exists the SM could fail to get the craft in the correct orientation for the retro burn - in which case, the crew could run out of oxygen before the orbit decays sufficiently for reentry. Your Dragon Uber flight is very much on the table. Are you reading your own thread? Silly question. The "Uber" mission would be a dedicated flight to provide a return capsule back to Earth. It would not be a modified Crew-9 flight. It might be commanded by Isaacman or possibly one of the two Axiom astronauts. It would not stay at the ISS for months. Perhaps just a week or so as required to give Butch and Sunni sufficient training prior to their trip home. Why use a dedicated Uber flight to pick up two astronauts when you can just roll em into Crew 9? They're already there. That's two fewer people you don't have to launch. It's still SpaceX pulling Boeing's fat out of the fire - except this is probably the end of Boeing Space. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 11:27:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't need to do a heroic space walk to get them in the Dragon. Boeing just needs to figure out their autonomous software that they swear is still loaded. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's my view on the subject. We have a long established precedent of aircraft and even airliners having serious flaws in their flight control systems. But what Boeing did with the 737 MAX was laziness and greed of a high order. As discussed in detail in this thread and elsewhere. There's some people and companies who demonstrate that they can't be trusted. And for every story of a plane saved by luck and/or a skilled pilot. We have plenty that were not. Ideally this event will not result in two more deaths if NASA chooses the Starliner return with astronauts and it fails in a manner that causes breakup during entry. I am a bit sad that my prediction of a SpaceX Crew Dragon "Uber" flight may not even be on the table. I wonder if NASA did not want to pay that cost, they did not want additional negative press for Boeing...or SpaceX could not make it happen in a timely manner. Again, it's extremely unlikely the Stayliner Command Module would fail to reenter the atmosphere safely. There's been no questions about the CM thrusters. The concern is about the Service Module thrusters - given one has failed, the possibility exists the SM could fail to get the craft in the correct orientation for the retro burn - in which case, the crew could run out of oxygen before the orbit decays sufficiently for reentry. Your Dragon Uber flight is very much on the table. Are you reading your own thread? Define extremely unlikely. Less likely than the Stayliner crew running out of oxygen b/c the SM thrusters failed in such away they couldn't orient correctly to perform the retro burn or the retro thrusters failed AND SpaceX not being able to get to them in time to perform a heroic rescue spacewalk straight out of early 60's science fiction. IE, if 27 of the 28 SM thrusters work to get the Stayliner in the correct orientation for the retro burn, and the retro engines work, the CM's thrusters will work well enough to keep the CM in the correct orientation for reentry. The question is all about those 27 thrusters - given they've already shut down the 28th. They don't need to do a heroic space walk to get them in the Dragon. Boeing just needs to figure out their autonomous software that they swear is still loaded. Right. That they've not updated for two years, apparently, w/ all the changes they've made to Stayliner since. MechJeb is up to 2.2.14 now, Boeing probably still has 2.2.11 loaded on Stayliner. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 11:33:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why use a dedicated Uber flight to pick up two astronauts when you can just roll em into Crew 9? They're already there. That's two fewer people you don't have to launch. It's still SpaceX pulling Boeing's fat out of the fire - except this is probably the end of Boeing Space. The end of Boeing Space hauling live cargo maybe. They build sattelites, they also built the X-37B. They are also involved in SLS in some kind of context and then there's ULA but since they are up for sale they probably won't count for much longer. |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 12:18:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crew Dragon has an escape capability if there is a serious booster problem prior to or after launch. I don't know if Starliner does. If that escape capability is a requirement, the current Starship does not appear to have that capability. Starliner does have a pad and ascent abort capability, though NASA didn't make them demonstrate it on an actual launch like they did for dragon.  Watch the Boeing Starliner Pad Abort Test in Awesome Raw Video |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 1:09:02 AM EST
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8 days turning into 8 months. I bet the ISS smells like an Indian discotech.
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Posted: 8/8/2024 1:17:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  You just handwash it, then hang it outside on a clothesline to dry.If you put it in the airlock and depressurized, it'd get dry very quickly 
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Posted: 8/8/2024 7:52:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Starliner does have a pad and ascent abort capability, though NASA didn't make them demonstrate it on an actual launch like they did for dragon.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kImxBEQkGDIThanks. I had forgotten about that. |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 9:53:56 AM EST
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 Will Astronaut's 8 Day Mission Turn into an 8 Month Mission? Starliner Answers Slowly Emerge. |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 10:25:01 AM EST
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Oh wow! An accurate video representing the facts. The only thing I disagree with is at 7:40 about the He leaks may have an effect on the thruster head valves actuation. He did say "could" so... There are leaks in either the
ETA: From a few pages back Quoted: Not really. From what I've heard the He manifolds legs are: T1 P1 P2 The RCS thrusters that acted up are: B1A3 (that's the one deselected for low chamber pressure) B2A2 * S1A2 * S2A2 * T2A2 * *back up with good chamber pressures after docked hot firing. There are no thrusters that went down in the Port dog house while there is a couple manifolds with a He leak in there. |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 10:35:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right. That they've not updated for two years, apparently, w/ all the changes they've made to Stayliner since. MechJeb is up to 2.2.14 now, Boeing probably still has 2.2.11 loaded on Stayliner.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 10:43:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ideally this event will not result in two more deaths if NASA chooses the Starliner return with astronauts and it fails in a manner that causes breakup during entry. I am a bit sad that my prediction of a SpaceX Crew Dragon "Uber" flight may not even be on the table. I wonder if NASA did not want to pay that cost, they did not want additional negative press for Boeing...or SpaceX could not make it happen in a timely manner. Although he is sometimes brash, I suspect he is smarter than 95% of the population. He's not going to do anything that will endanger SpaceX for the future, or that will paint NASA into a corner so they hold a grudge forever against SpaceX. |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 10:48:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Elon is surprisingly quiet, isn't he? Although he is sometimes brash, I suspect he is smarter than 95% of the population. He's not going to do anything that will endanger SpaceX for the future, or that will paint NASA into a corner so they hold a grudge forever against SpaceX. This He isn’t brash like Trump and trolls when appropriate. This is business for him and SpaceX. Boeing’s failure will secure his business as long as he just lets it play out. |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 10:50:54 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryThat's a very believable reason they would not use SpaceX, due to Elon's close association with Trump in this election. |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 3:21:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, bear in mind that for the past several years Boeing and NASA have been hiring based on qualifications other than competence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is just the embarrassment of "old space" on repeat for weeks and months Also, bear in mind that for the past several years Boeing and NASA have been hiring based on qualifications other than competence. 
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Posted: 8/8/2024 4:09:43 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Everyone that is calling out Boeing should be calling out NASA as well. I worked - 2nd hand - for NASA for most of the 90's and early 2000's. Like Boeing, they are full of DEI hires and incompetence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is just the embarrassment of "old space" on repeat for weeks and months Also, bear in mind that for the past several years Boeing and NASA have been hiring based on qualifications other than competence.
There's a government report on the development of a new upper stage for the SLS rocket, and it's got lots of eye-opening stuff. This was pretty striking, however: "According to Safety and Mission Assurance officials at NASA and DCMA officials at Michoud, Boeing’s quality control issues are largely caused by its workforce having insufficient aerospace production experience."
https://oig.nasa.gov/office-of-inspector-general-oig/nasas-management-of-space-launch-system-block-1b-development/ |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 4:38:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "According to Safety and Mission Assurance officials at NASA and DCMA officials at Michoud, Boeing’s quality control issues are largely caused by its workforce having insufficient aerospace production experience." It's not just diversity hires in management. |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 5:00:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not just diversity hires in management. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "According to Safety and Mission Assurance officials at NASA and DCMA officials at Michoud, Boeing's quality control issues are largely caused by its workforce having insufficient aerospace production experience." It's not just diversity hires in management. |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 7:47:06 PM EST
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Quote History Clip - The Ballad of Gilligans Island, Gilligans Island opening and closing credits _0001_xvid.avi |
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Posted: 8/9/2024 7:40:22 PM EST
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Will SpaceX carry Boeing Starliner crew home? Here’s how Dragon could do it
Interesting article with pictures that reflect some of the options discussed...such as the pallet area:  A generic view of SpaceX Crew Dragon with a five-seat configuration, one more than NASA's requested four seats for International Space Station (ISS) missions. At bottom, visible in black, is the cargo pallet area upon which more astronauts could be placed if new NASA task orders are executed for ISS operations. (Image credit: SpaceX)  This wide shot of Dragon Version 2's interior shows the futuristic display screen and seven leather-lined seats. Image released May 29, 2014. (Image credit: SpaceX) One scenario would see two astronauts launch on Crew-9 with "a metallic ballast" in the remaining two seats, with the ballast designed to have a similar center of gravity as a pair of astronauts. The ballast would then be removed for Williams and Wilmore to come home on the Dragon in February 2025, when Crew-9 comes back to Earth. The second scenario would see Crew-8 return with its four astronauts, with "up to three crew members" aboard its cargo pallet. Two seats would be for the Starliner astronauts, and the third — if necessary — would be for NASA astronaut Tracy Dyson, who flew to the ISS on a Soyuz this past March. So far, every indication is she will return home on the Soyuz as planned, but NASA said it is keep all options open in case of contingency. |
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Posted: 8/9/2024 10:15:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: , the last thing you want to do is test in your prod environment Crowdstrike has entered the chat |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 6:46:14 PM EST
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NASA official acknowledges internal disagreement on safety of starliner return
Boeing engineers are advocating for flying Starliner as is, that enough is known about the problem that failures will not occur during the vehicle's return to Earth. However, during meetings of key engineers at NASA known as the "Program Control Board" this week, there was no agreement that this so-called flight rationale was enough to fly crew on the vehicle. "We heard from a lot of folks that had concerns," Bowersox said. "We heard enough voices that the decision was not clear at the Program Control Board." Given that NASA will soon decide whether to fly crew on Starliner, the Boeing team has about a week to convince the NASA team of Starliner's safety before a potential switch to Crew Dragon. Although the capability to undock without a crew exists within the flight software on Starliner, it is currently configured for crew operations. That is, during the process of undocking and moving away from the space station, the flight software takes certain actions, and the crew takes certain actions. This configuration change toward integrated operations between software and crew was made after the previous autonomous flight of Starliner in 2022 that flew to the space station and back. "Essentially, what we're asking the team is to go back two years in time and resurrect the software parameters that are required to give automatic responses to breakouts near the ISS should we have a problem in close to ISS, which the software now allows them to do manually," Stich said. "The team is always updating these mission data loads as different things change." |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 6:54:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crowdstrike has entered the chat Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: , the last thing you want to do is test in your prod environment Crowdstrike has entered the chat It's not a real test unless you run it in prod. |
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Posted: 8/11/2024 12:02:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crowdstrike has entered the chat Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: , the last thing you want to do is test in your prod environment Crowdstrike has entered the chat Ouch. |
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Posted: 8/11/2024 1:15:57 PM EST
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Is it possible to configure Crew-9 to go up with the planned four people and have two seats on the steerage area cargo pallet to bring back Butch and Sunni next year....for a total of six returning?
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Posted: 8/11/2024 1:40:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it possible to configure Crew-9 to go up with the planned four people and have two seats on the steerage area cargo pallet to bring back Butch and Sunni next year....for a total of six returning? Yes, they can configure for up to 7 as shown in the photo above. Wonder if they could send up a Cargo Dragon with the extra seats and suits and stuff so that they could leave with Crew 8? No idea what is involved in adding the seats. |
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Posted: 8/11/2024 2:03:14 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it possible to configure Crew-9 to go up with the planned four people and have two seats on the steerage area cargo pallet to bring back Butch and Sunni next year....for a total of six returning? Probably very possible. I'm guessing at the reason they left that off the table is ISS manloading for the entire Crew9 duration. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 12:19:11 PM EST
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 NASA Insider on Boeing Starliner: "No One Considered This" Not the best video, but the latest video. Sounding like NASA approved the launch knowing the autonomous software wasn't installed. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 1:18:03 PM EST
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Posted: 8/12/2024 2:00:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryFantastic! |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 2:12:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fantastic! Quote HistoryQuoted: Fantastic! What do you think the first film is going to be? I'm expecting Manos! The hands of fate. 
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Posted: 8/12/2024 2:12:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you think the first film is going to be? I'm expecting Manos! The hands of fate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fantastic! What do you think the first film is going to be? I'm expecting Manos! The hands of fate. https://www.netflix.com/title/81272421
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Posted: 8/12/2024 2:14:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you think the first film is going to be? I'm expecting Manos! The hands of fate. Sharknado They need to start with new turds. There will be an Epic Night special of all three of the Star Wars sequels and the most recent live series. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 3:12:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sharknado They need to start with new turds. There will be an Epic Night special of all three of the Star Wars sequels and the most recent live series. It would be fun to hear astronauts on the ISS do a commentary on that ridiculous Resistance Bombers scene in TLJ. 
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Posted: 8/12/2024 8:09:39 PM EST
[#40]
 What Do Stuck Astronauts Say About America's Space Program? |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 8:23:25 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0XVM92cxjcNot the best video, but the latest video. Sounding like NASA approved the launch knowing the autonomous software wasn't installed. I don't know if the simulated phone calls reflect the truth or just making a typical worthless video. She does seem to be decent overall. I have just about given up on most of the space related YouTube videos. Most are not much more than clickbait using AI or computer generated voices. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 8:51:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know if the simulated phone calls reflect the truth or just making a typical worthless video. She does seem to be decent overall. I have just about given up on most of the space related YouTube videos. Most are not much more than clickbait using AI or computer generated voices. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0XVM92cxjcNot the best video, but the latest video. Sounding like NASA approved the launch knowing the autonomous software wasn't installed. I don't know if the simulated phone calls reflect the truth or just making a typical worthless video. She does seem to be decent overall. I have just about given up on most of the space related YouTube videos. Most are not much more than clickbait using AI or computer generated voices. Scott Manley's pretty on top of things, so is Angry Astronaut. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 8:55:05 AM EST
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Boeing’s confidence in Starliner ‘speaks volumes,’ says former NASA astronaut
"Collins, who is the author of “Through the Glass Ceiling to the Stars: The Story of the First American Woman to Command a Space Mission,” feels that Boeing’s unequivocal language is noteworthy. “Boeing’s statement that they can come home safely on Starliner speaks volumes to me,” she told MarketWatch in an intervew Monday. “These commercial companies cannot afford to have an accident because it could completely end their program.”" Boeing was probably just as certain about OFT-1. Boeing was probably just as certain about this flight before lift-off. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 9:20:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boeing's confidence in Starliner 'speaks volumes,' says former NASA astronaut "Collins, who is the author of "Through the Glass Ceiling to the Stars: The Story of the First American Woman to Command a Space Mission," feels that Boeing's unequivocal language is noteworthy. "Boeing's statement that they can come home safely on Starliner speaks volumes to me," she told MarketWatch in an intervew Monday. "These commercial companies cannot afford to have an accident because it could completely end their program."" Boeing was probably just as certain about OFT-1. Boeing was probably just as certain about this flight before lift-off.  It's easy to express confidence as a former astronaut who will never fly on the vehicle.
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Posted: 8/13/2024 10:04:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Boeing’s statement that they can come home safely on Starliner speaks volumes to me,” she told MarketWatch in an intervew Monday. “These commercial companies cannot afford to have an accident because it could completely end their program.”" I am under the impression that Boeing has pretty much already decided that they are not going to be interested in further contracts like this ... unless NASA is willing to back to the accountability-free days of sweet endless funding in cost-plus contracts. They have lost so much money on this Commercial Crew partnership, I don't think they are particular excited about repeating it. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 10:23:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am under the impression that Boeing has pretty much already decided that they are not going to be interested in further contracts like this ... unless NASA is willing to back to the accountability-free days of sweet endless funding in cost-plus contracts. They have lost so much money on this Commercial Crew partnership, I don't think they are particular excited about repeating it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: “Boeing’s statement that they can come home safely on Starliner speaks volumes to me,” she told MarketWatch in an intervew Monday. “These commercial companies cannot afford to have an accident because it could completely end their program.”" I am under the impression that Boeing has pretty much already decided that they are not going to be interested in further contracts like this ... unless NASA is willing to back to the accountability-free days of sweet endless funding in cost-plus contracts. They have lost so much money on this Commercial Crew partnership, I don't think they are particular excited about repeating it. Every $10 they spend on oribit is a bolt they can't afford to install in an emergency exit on a 737 MAX. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 12:45:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boeing’s confidence in Starliner ‘speaks volumes,’ says former NASA astronaut "Collins, who is the author of “Through the Glass Ceiling to the Stars: The Story of the First American Woman to Command a Space Mission,” feels that Boeing’s unequivocal language is noteworthy. “Boeing’s statement that they can come home safely on Starliner speaks volumes to me,” she told MarketWatch in an intervew Monday. “These commercial companies cannot afford to have an accident because it could completely end their program.”" So sayeth the DEI hire. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 1:07:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So sayeth the DEI hire. DEI? Col. Collins was in the first class that included women @ AFTPS. She's the real deal. |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 1:38:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every $10 they spend on oribit is a bolt they can't afford to install in an emergency exit on a 737 MAX.  |
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Posted: 8/13/2024 8:33:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am under the impression that Boeing has pretty much already decided that they are not going to be interested in further contracts like this ... unless NASA is willing to back to the accountability-free days of sweet endless funding in cost-plus contracts. They have lost so much money on this Commercial Crew partnership, I don't think they are particular excited about repeating it. Fixed price contracts can be bad. I wonder if they will get Starliner operational. At this point I would not go up in it. |
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