Apparently you've missed all the fathers, uncle's, brothers, etc that have posted their stories.

I'm locked in every night with psych PT's and dozens of addicts in withdrawal. You can get them through the physical symptoms easy enough. Although it isn't always pretty. They leave without a physical need. They still relapse if they WANT TO.

if it was legal there would be less ODs. because whatever they took , probably wouldnt be cut with fentanyl.

anyone who gets anything that is a powder or a pill these days from some illegal source is taking their life in their hands. there was a couple in ga that od'd recently because the powder they thought was cocaine was cut with fentanyl. and there have been deaths here from folks taking what they thought was vicodin but was fake pills with fentanyl.

BROOKHAVEN, GA. - Police are investigating the drug-related deaths of two Brookhaven residents from the use of cocaine laced with fentanyl.

On Aug. 27, police discovered the body of Nancy Virginia Brock, 35, also known as Ginny, at her North Thompson Road residence. Police said the woman had been dead for several days, and found a small bag of cocaine in her purse.

The next day, police responded to reports of another death, this one on Buckhead Lane. Police found the body of Dr. Paul Rodon, 41, who had also been dead for several days. Police found several bags of cocaine in his home as well.

Police said the two victims were close friends and had been seen together several days prior to the discovery of their bodies.  

Freedom is scary.

Sorry man, I hope he pulls through and straightens up.

I think his point is you are retarded if you increase the access to opiods. Only a small segment of society can dabble with them and not become physically addicted. Certainly the expansion of prescription pain killers was (in retrospect) a huge mistake, but our own liberalized acceptance of all forms of drugs hasn't been lost on current generations.

In most states, your children are now more likely to die from drug overdose than any other cause. Think about that, and tell me how MORE of these drugs is a good idea.

Ok, but:



Not to mention the cartels now getting into the synthetic opiate market, i.e. fentanyl.

Any idea the recidivism rate for involuntary vs voluntary?

I'm curious why people say this. Pot is booming business in the places where it is legal. We're seeing more accidents here, and despite having essentially decriminalized possession of harder drugs, vastly increased property crime rates.

Even IF the government sells drugs, at low prices, and no one else makes a profit, where do the druggies get the money? Eventually, they get it from you, by stealing your things. Because they have already stolen from their friends and families, and now they will steal from strangers. "Money" affects crime rates, and violence rates, certainly the "war on drugs" creates an environment where criminal groups can make "money". But most of these groups would be committing crimes anyway - fraud schemes, theft rings, etc. Opiates are a form of Russian roulette, some can dabble, and get out, some get dead.

A prescription opiate habit can cost upwards of $300 a day (yes, I know it can cost more in some areas and at some dosages). My experience has been that the migration from prescription opiates to heroin comes when individuals run out the income stream required to buy prescription, and heroin can cost 1/2 to 1/3 as much, for the same "quantity".

You know how liberal assume conservatives are just heartless and selfish and take positions out of cruel self interest when in reality it's because most conservatives just believe there is a better way?

You're wrong. I lived in PA when the pill mills were highly functioning. We still saw huge numbers diverted to heroin. It was all a question of how much money they had available on a given day. The expansive pill mills were merely diverting prescription drugs into the community in a much more innocuous form, so our high schools were filled with them.

I'd like easy answers too, but the reality is this is an incredibly complex problem.

I saved a guy with Narcan once.  It was awesome.  One of the best and most memorable experiences of my life.

Shitbag stole from me about 2 months later. I thought we were bonded for life.

Yes, it does.

My cousin ended up in a nursing home over a heart infection due to using dirty needles and drugs he and his friends managed to somehow steal from the rehab facility he was in. I understand your anguish OP. It sucks, but there's nothing you can do.

My cousin will die because of his addiction/like of drugs, I know this. However it's still a rough road for the family until awhile after this happens.

While I agree that making it illegal doesn't do any good. Making it legal will kill more people. It'll be the one timer's, those that just want to give it a go because it's legal who will pay the price the addicts deserve. That said, I still believe in freedom and choice. So lets end this money pit called a war on drugs and let shit work itself out.

This opioid stuff is out of control.  Best of luck to you OP.  Narcan, and then I realize the first responders are in danger too.  Fentanyl and car fentanyl is just messed up, and they get exposed to that shit.  Feed the bastards shrooms and hope it corrects itself, then again shit in one hand and hope in another, which is a fallacy too.  Just get away from that person and go no contact.  

Thank you, brother.

This is true. I mean it's like the effing GOV and drug companies are working together to reduce the population.

Drug companies push this crap as a "MEDICAL ANSWER"  the "MASSES" get shit tins of people hooked on the shit. Mean while heroin is flowing in the streets. Then jerk the legal supply out from under them?

Not to mention Fentanyl is now apparently available on the streets.

And who in the fuck wants to smoke, snort, shoot or eat some flakka?  You gotta be a completely desperate addict to do that shit.

The Effing drug companies knew opiates were a bad option for wide spread mainstream prescriptions.

100%.

Do you know why children have more access to drugs than they do alcohol? Using the excuse "but people will die" is how liberals legislate with emotion and not logic or reason. The black market keeps abusers in the shadows of society. If these junkies were forced to see a pharmacist instead of a heroin dealer, maybe then they would not completely wreck their lives before they realize their problem. If nothing else, non-users(especially children) could see out in the open how drug abuse is the wrong choice for considerately killing yourself.

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