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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:03:33 PM EDT
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I think the Libertarians here do a great service to their 'party' by constantly calling Christians American Taliban... It shows their actual thought process and I appreciate the honesty. It also gives me the excuse to stock up on weapons and ammunition. History has cycles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I think the Libertarians here do a great service to their 'party' by constantly calling Christians American Taliban... It shows their actual thought process and I appreciate the honesty. It also gives me the excuse to stock up on weapons and ammunition. History has cycles. Isn't that the truth. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't that the truth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I think the Libertarians here do a great service to their 'party' by constantly calling Christians American Taliban... It shows their actual thought process and I appreciate the honesty. It also gives me the excuse to stock up on weapons and ammunition. History has cycles. Isn't that the truth. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:06:05 PM EDT
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There are some militant "christians" here that would impose their beliefs on others. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I think the Libertarians here do a great service to their 'party' by constantly calling Christians American Taliban... It shows their actual thought process and I appreciate the honesty. It also gives me the excuse to stock up on weapons and ammunition. History has cycles. Isn't that the truth. Name one. Ones I know on this site just want to be left alone. 
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:07:34 PM EDT
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So it doesn't actually fertilize the egg is what you're saying? It prevents it, correct? Come on weasel out of this one. Answer me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The point is, birth control pills prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall. So, going back to the beginning of this particular tangent, a pregnancy prevented by the pill is equivalent to abortion, as the conception (fertilization of the egg) has occurred. it prevents conception. It's not actual conception. You're not going to convince me otherwise Santorum. You don't have a single fucking clue what you are talking about. I knew you'd weasel. You defined conception as the fertilization of the egg. This happens DAYS before implantation. In those days, the birth control pill can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. The fertilized egg will die. Was that fertilized egg a human? Come on, weasel some more. So it doesn't actually fertilize the egg is what you're saying? It prevents it, correct? Come on weasel out of this one. Answer me. How about both of you just STFU and stop jacking the OP's thread? Can everybody just agree that you're both wrong for fucking up a perfectly good thread? |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:08:06 PM EDT
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The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I think the Libertarians here do a great service to their 'party' by constantly calling Christians American Taliban... It shows their actual thought process and I appreciate the honesty. It also gives me the excuse to stock up on weapons and ammunition. History has cycles. Isn't that the truth. Who are they? Name them.... |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:08:36 PM EDT
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 My surprised face.
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:08:52 PM EDT
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How about both of you just STFU and stop jacking the OP's thread? Can everybody just agree that you're both wrong for fucking up a perfectly good thread? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The point is, birth control pills prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall. So, going back to the beginning of this particular tangent, a pregnancy prevented by the pill is equivalent to abortion, as the conception (fertilization of the egg) has occurred. it prevents conception. It's not actual conception. You're not going to convince me otherwise Santorum. You don't have a single fucking clue what you are talking about. I knew you'd weasel. You defined conception as the fertilization of the egg. This happens DAYS before implantation. In those days, the birth control pill can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. The fertilized egg will die. Was that fertilized egg a human? Come on, weasel some more. So it doesn't actually fertilize the egg is what you're saying? It prevents it, correct? Come on weasel out of this one. Answer me. How about both of you just STFU and stop jacking the OP's thread? Can everybody just agree that you're both wrong for fucking up a perfectly good thread? I am the OP.
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:10:58 PM EDT
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So it doesn't actually fertilize the egg is what you're saying? It prevents it, correct? Come on weasel out of this one. Answer me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The point is, birth control pills prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall. So, going back to the beginning of this particular tangent, a pregnancy prevented by the pill is equivalent to abortion, as the conception (fertilization of the egg) has occurred. it prevents conception. It's not actual conception. You're not going to convince me otherwise Santorum. You don't have a single fucking clue what you are talking about. I knew you'd weasel. You defined conception as the fertilization of the egg. This happens DAYS before implantation. In those days, the birth control pill can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. The fertilized egg will die. Was that fertilized egg a human? Come on, weasel some more. So it doesn't actually fertilize the egg is what you're saying? It prevents it, correct? Come on weasel out of this one. Answer me. Yes the egg is fertilized. Do you even know that there is a difference between fertilization and implantation? I don't think you do. Fertilization is when the sperm fuses with the egg. That's when YOU drew the line. Fertilization is not implantation. Implantation is when the fertilized egg attaches to the wall of the uterus, and takes place days after fertilization, and can be prevented by the birth control pill. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:11:54 PM EDT
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The Christian bashing has to stop! What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. +1 Thank you. I'm not going to force anybody to believe... that doesn't produce authentic, long-lived Christian faith. I'm certain that if you browbeat somebody long enough, they'd say "OK... fine. If it'll make you happy, 'I believe in God.' Satisfied?" No... not satisfied. Unless a person has the Love of Christ in their heart, and believes that Christ died for their sins, they can say whatever they want; they don't really believe it. Read Proverbs 23... "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee." Faith under duress isn't real faith. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:15:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am the OP. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How about both of you just STFU and stop jacking the OP's thread? Can everybody just agree that you're both wrong for fucking up a perfectly good thread? I am the OP. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:16:10 PM EDT
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Yes the egg is fertilized. Do you even know that there is a difference between fertilization and implantation? I don't think you do. Fertilization is when the sperm fuses with the egg. That's when YOU drew the line. Fertilization is not implantation. Implantation is when the fertilized egg attaches to the wall of the uterus, and takes place days after fertilization, and can be prevented by the birth control pill. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The point is, birth control pills prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall. So, going back to the beginning of this particular tangent, a pregnancy prevented by the pill is equivalent to abortion, as the conception (fertilization of the egg) has occurred. it prevents conception. It's not actual conception. You're not going to convince me otherwise Santorum. You don't have a single fucking clue what you are talking about. I knew you'd weasel. You defined conception as the fertilization of the egg. This happens DAYS before implantation. In those days, the birth control pill can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. The fertilized egg will die. Was that fertilized egg a human? Come on, weasel some more. So it doesn't actually fertilize the egg is what you're saying? It prevents it, correct? Come on weasel out of this one. Answer me. Yes the egg is fertilized. Do you even know that there is a difference between fertilization and implantation? I don't think you do. Fertilization is when the sperm fuses with the egg. That's when YOU drew the line. Fertilization is not implantation. Implantation is when the fertilized egg attaches to the wall of the uterus, and takes place days after fertilization, and can be prevented by the birth control pill. Whatever dude. When the sperm and egg has become one, and it has it's own unique DNA. That's what I'm talking about. I believe in birth control, and condoms. People are going to have sex. If you're going to have it at least be responsible about it. I don't give a flying fuck what you do in the bedroom up until it involves me and other tax payers because you couldn't be responsible about it. Are you fucking happy now? |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:17:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:18:38 PM EDT
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Christie 2016!! He'll lose. I will not vote for that douche nozzle. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:19:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:23:24 PM EDT
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Whatever dude. When the sperm and egg has become one, and it has it's own unique DNA. That's what I'm talking about. I believe in birth control, and condoms. People are going to have sex. If you're going to have it at least be responsible about it. I don't give a flying fuck what you do in the bedroom up until it involves me and other tax payers because you couldn't be responsible about it. Are you fucking happy now? So, causing the death of that fertilized egg is an abortion, right? |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:24:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I consider you one of the good libertarians. I think you have some good points of views, that and you actually understand logic, and how to work together. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I consider you one of the good libertarians. I think you have some good points of views, that and you actually understand logic, and how to work together. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:26:12 PM EDT
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The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I consider you one of the good libertarians. I think you have some good points of views, that and you actually understand logic, and how to work together. I don't think me and you differ on ideaology. We both have weasels in our party that we want to get out. When we do our party would most likely combine. However I doubt that will ever happen. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:26:24 PM EDT
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figures that the GOP establishment wants to tarnish him. politicians like Cruz, paul and lee are upsetting the apple cart in DC and no one likes it or wants the gravy train to end Yep. GOP leadership in Washington is indistinguishable from Democrats these days. Ryan, Cruz, et al are showing how corrupt these guys are. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:29:30 PM EDT
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I don't think me and you differ on ideaology. We both have weasels in our party that we want to get out. When we do our party would most likely combine. However I doubt that will ever happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I consider you one of the good libertarians. I think you have some good points of views, that and you actually understand logic, and how to work together. I don't think me and you differ on ideaology. We both have weasels in our party that we want to get out. When we do our party would most likely combine. However I doubt that will ever happen. We've got three years. Much less, really. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:29:33 PM EDT
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The Christian bashing has to stop! What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. Stop making sense!! I've noticed that the Christian-bashers tend to be shakily inconsistent on their actual philosophical underpinnings of individual liberty and capitalism. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:29:57 PM EDT
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GOP leadership knows that Rand and Cruz can't get the votes to defund Obamacare and fear (probably rightly) that a government shutdown will harm the Republican party in the mid term elections. No fan of McCain et al but that's the reality
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:30:36 PM EDT
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We've got three years. Much less, really. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I consider you one of the good libertarians. I think you have some good points of views, that and you actually understand logic, and how to work together. I don't think me and you differ on ideaology. We both have weasels in our party that we want to get out. When we do our party would most likely combine. However I doubt that will ever happen. We've got three years. Much less, really. Hopefully we get either Rand Paul or Ted Cruz to unite us. However RINO's will try desperately to get Christie in there. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:31:15 PM EDT
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Whatever dude. When the sperm and egg has become one, and it has it's own unique DNA. That's what I'm talking about. I believe in birth control, and condoms. People are going to have sex. If you're going to have it at least be responsible about it. I don't give a flying fuck what you do in the bedroom up until it involves me and other tax payers because you couldn't be responsible about it. Are you fucking happy now? So, causing the death of that fertilized egg is an abortion, right? You are voting Hillary in 2016 aren't you? |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:31:24 PM EDT
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Which is not the same as "a fertilized egg, or 'zygote' that has been implanted in the uterine wall". In multiple threads, now, I've seen you confronted with having posted something that is incorrect, or having a flaw pointed out clearly which puts a dent in your argument or position, and you refuse to accept it. You'll weasel around it, you'll squirm, but it's obvious that you're incapable of admitting error.
What are you trying to prove? That I believe conception is having sex? I mean really? Are you that fucking dense? You claim (via the the definition of conception that you provided) that conception occurs when an egg is fertilized by a sperm, which is accurate. He claims that birth control medications can, and regularly do, prevent fertilized eggs from implanting into the uterus wall, which is also accurate. If you believe that, at the moment of fertilization (aka conception according to the accurate definition you provided), the embryo is sacred and worthy of protection them the only logically consistent point of view would be to condemn birth control pills. If you believe that the embryo becomes sacred at some point after fertilization but before birth, then it's possible to not have a problem with birth control pills. Basically, you took a logically inconsistent position and got called on it. I am not going to argue the issue of abortion, but I will fight to bring accountability and logical consistency to any argument I witness. I believe that argument is the greatest human invention of all time and it sickens me when people try to destroy such a wonderful art form through obfuscation and inconsistency. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:32:10 PM EDT
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I consider you one of the good libertarians. I think you have some good points of views, that and you actually understand logic, and how to work together. I don't think me and you differ on ideaology. We both have weasels in our party that we want to get out. When we do our party would most likely combine. However I doubt that will ever happen. We've got three years. Much less, really. Hopefully we get either Rand Paul or Ted Cruz to unite us. However RINO's will try desperately to get Christie in there. There is always heart desease |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:34:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who are they? Name them.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I think the Libertarians here do a great service to their 'party' by constantly calling Christians American Taliban... It shows their actual thought process and I appreciate the honesty. It also gives me the excuse to stock up on weapons and ammunition. History has cycles. Isn't that the truth. Who are they? Name them.... First, provide us with quotes and links to "the Libertarians here do a great service to their 'party' by constantly calling Christians American Taliban". "Libertarians", plural, and "constantly"; that would indicate many examples. I'm sure you can post at least three. I shall wait. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:35:00 PM EDT
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GOP leadership knows that Rand and Cruz can't get the votes to defund Obamacare and fear (probably rightly) that a government shutdown will harm the Republican party in the mid term elections. No fan of McCain et al but that's the reality Correct the GOP knows that we don't have th votes to defund Obamacare but why not force the Senate Dems to come out and vote against it so that they are held accountable in '14? |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:40:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you trying to prove? That I believe conception is having sex? I mean really? Are you that fucking dense? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which is not the same as "a fertilized egg, or 'zygote' that has been implanted in the uterine wall". In multiple threads, now, I've seen you confronted with having posted something that is incorrect, or having a flaw pointed out clearly which puts a dent in your argument or position, and you refuse to accept it. You'll weasel around it, you'll squirm, but it's obvious that you're incapable of admitting error. What are you trying to prove? That I believe conception is having sex? I mean really? Are you that fucking dense? Someone posited that birth control, specifically the pill, is equivalent to abortion, as it prevents implantation of the fertilized egg, essentially killing the zygote. You waffled for a bit. Seeking clarification, you were asked how to define "conception". You waffled some more, and eventually posted a definition that supports the above equivalency of the pill to abortion, as the prevention of implantation kills the zygote. When this was pointed out, you went from waffling to flopping around like an epileptic fish on dry land. I'm not the one who couldn't grasp the initial question of whether the birth control pill is equivalent to abortion. But you're on of those guys who has a distorted view of how well he's really doing at internet discussions, and is patting himself on the back for his keen abilities, all the while thinking that everyone else is either in awe of you, or cannot understand your brilliance. Now, normally I see this trait in fast-flameout trolls, but you've been here a while, so you're a minor step above them. So far. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:41:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct the GOP knows that we don't have th votes to defund Obamacare but why not force the Senate Dems to come out and vote against it so that they are held accountable in '14? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GOP leadership knows that Rand and Cruz can't get the votes to defund Obamacare and fear (probably rightly) that a government shutdown will harm the Republican party in the mid term elections. No fan of McCain et al but that's the reality Correct the GOP knows that we don't have th votes to defund Obamacare but why not force the Senate Dems to come out and vote against it so that they are held accountable in '14? |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:46:38 PM EDT
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You're not worth it.
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:51:05 PM EDT
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GOP leadership knows that Rand and Cruz can't get the votes to defund Obamacare and fear (probably rightly) that a government shutdown will harm the Republican party in the mid term elections. No fan of McCain et al but that's the reality Correct the GOP knows that we don't have th votes to defund Obamacare but why not force the Senate Dems to come out and vote against it so that they are held accountable in '14? The usual shitbags like McCain and Graham were already angry that Paul and Cruz weren't going along with the plan on the NSA, Syria, illegal amnesty, etc etc. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 3:59:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The usual shitbags like McCain and Graham were already angry that Paul and Cruz weren't going along with the plan on the NSA, Syria, illegal amnesty, etc etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: GOP leadership knows that Rand and Cruz can't get the votes to defund Obamacare and fear (probably rightly) that a government shutdown will harm the Republican party in the mid term elections. No fan of McCain et al but that's the reality Correct the GOP knows that we don't have th votes to defund Obamacare but why not force the Senate Dems to come out and vote against it so that they are held accountable in '14? The usual shitbags like McCain and Graham were already angry that Paul and Cruz weren't going along with the plan on the NSA, Syria, illegal amnesty, etc etc. And, that is also the reason Rove has his knickers in a twist. Somebody didn't clear the "plan" with him and his brain-trust ahead of time so they could be derailed early on. Boo hoo, fathead. 
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think me and you differ on ideaology. We both have weasels in our party that we want to get out. When we do our party would most likely combine. However I doubt that will ever happen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I consider you one of the good libertarians. I think you have some good points of views, that and you actually understand logic, and how to work together. I don't think me and you differ on ideaology. We both have weasels in our party that we want to get out. When we do our party would most likely combine. However I doubt that will ever happen. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:13:41 PM EDT
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If this thread doesn't illustrate the fractures and deep rooted resentments amongst "conservatives" and "libertarians" then I don't know what does. Better pull it together boys or we will get steamrolled over and over...
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:14:40 PM EDT
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That pisses me off!!
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:18:47 PM EDT
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Statist and Christians hate Libertarian leaners, not A surprise. and posts like this are why I refuse to support a libertarian party. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:23:55 PM EDT
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Libertarians need to get off the hate Train of christians. Or you'll never get a national party. We;re already voting for folks like Ted, and Rand. yet you still give us shit. If your attitude becomes a official party tenant, then will vote against you. Shut the fuck up. Yes - that's a beer on a Sunday too absolutely...........if you libertarians are going to play this kind of game.....you can all just eat shit..I won't support any of your "candidates". |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:25:22 PM EDT
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Statist and Christians hate Libertarian leaners, not A surprise. and posts like this are why I refuse to support a libertarian party. I'm a Christian and don't hate Libertarians. Where do you get that stupid shit from? |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:26:40 PM EDT
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The Christian bashing has to stop? What the fuck is wrong with some of you? Rand and Cruz are Christians. Murray Rothbard was a Christian.... Just because one is a Christian it does not mean that they want to use the force of government to force tenants of their religion on others. IMHO, based on how Christians are treated by government, it seems to me that all Christians should be libertarian as its the only ideology that actually allows them to exist without influence or force by the government. I think the Libertarians here do a great service to their 'party' by constantly calling Christians American Taliban... It shows their actual thought process and I appreciate the honesty. It also gives me the excuse to stock up on weapons and ammunition. History has cycles. Isn't that the truth. Well..man the hell up and name 'em. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:27:53 PM EDT
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Because the Republican establishment is just as much against freedom as the Democrats.
Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are part of the unwashed masses who somehow scammed their way to their seats and should be shut up as quickly as possible so the REAL Republicans can spread the establishment message. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:30:28 PM EDT
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Statist and Christians hate Libertarian leaners, not A surprise. and posts like this are why I refuse to support a libertarian party. I'm a Christian and don't hate Libertarians. Where do you get that stupid shit from? Like everything he posts about Christians..he pulled it out of his ass. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:31:15 PM EDT
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GOP leadership knows that Rand and Cruz can't get the votes to defund Obamacare and fear (probably rightly) that a government shutdown will harm the Republican party in the mid term elections. No fan of McCain et al but that's the reality Correct the GOP knows that we don't have th votes to defund Obamacare but why not force the Senate Dems to come out and vote against it so that they are held accountable in '14? Senate democrats are already on the record as for Obamacare, what would another vote possibly accomplish? If they could actually stop it I'd be all for it, but I'm not seeing the advantages to this, other than to raise popularity among the base for a few politicians. If Republicans are going to be effective, they need to start offering some solutions that don't involve simply stopping everything democrats do- it doesn't play well in the press, and while treading water is certainly preferable to what the Democrats are offering, it won't help us get out of the mess that we are in. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:34:25 PM EDT
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Senate democrats are already on the record as for Obamacare, what would another vote possibly accomplish? If they could actually stop it I'd be all for it, but I'm not seeing the advantages to this, other than to raise popularity among the base for a few politicians. If Republicans are going to be effective, they need to start offering some solutions that don't involve simply stopping everything democrats do- it doesn't play well in the press, and while treading water is certainly preferable to what the Democrats are offering, it won't help us get out of the mess that we are in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GOP leadership knows that Rand and Cruz can't get the votes to defund Obamacare and fear (probably rightly) that a government shutdown will harm the Republican party in the mid term elections. No fan of McCain et al but that's the reality Correct the GOP knows that we don't have th votes to defund Obamacare but why not force the Senate Dems to come out and vote against it so that they are held accountable in '14? Senate democrats are already on the record as for Obamacare, what would another vote possibly accomplish? If they could actually stop it I'd be all for it, but I'm not seeing the advantages to this, other than to raise popularity among the base for a few politicians. If Republicans are going to be effective, they need to start offering some solutions that don't involve simply stopping everything democrats do- it doesn't play well in the press, and while treading water is certainly preferable to what the Democrats are offering, it won't help us get out of the mess that we are in. Has any Democrat voted in support ofObamacare since Home Depot announced that it was dropping part timers from health insurance? What about since IBM announced that they were dropping retiree healthcare? What about Walgreens? What about since the AFLCIO came out against it? |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:35:49 PM EDT
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................ Like everything he posts about Christians..he pulled it out of his ass. I'm an old guy and miss a lot of stuff but him saying that was dumb IMHO. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:36:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a Christian and don't hate Libertarians. Where do you get that stupid shit from? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Statist and Christians hate Libertarian leaners, not A surprise. and posts like this are why I refuse to support a libertarian party. I'm a Christian and don't hate Libertarians. Where do you get that stupid shit from? |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:48:08 PM EDT
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Libertarian threads are so funny.So not only are there so few of them that they're insignificant but that the insignificant number of them infiltrated the GOP so that McCain and Romney would win the nomination? OK.
It's like Republicans have realized they have no ability to counter the Democrats so they blame libertarians for all of their ills. Not that it matters,Hilllary cakewalks it in 16. I absolutely guarantee you Santorum,Gingrich,McCain,Graham will dog pile on Rand or Cruz if they so much as show their face in Iowa. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 4:54:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2013 5:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I tend to very libertarian beliefs..but stuff like that turns me off to what I would otherwise be very supportive of. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ................ Like everything he posts about Christians..he pulled it out of his ass. I'm an old guy and miss a lot of stuff but him saying that was dumb IMHO. I tend to very libertarian beliefs..but stuff like that turns me off to what I would otherwise be very supportive of. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 5:21:14 PM EDT
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Has any Democrat voted in support ofObamacare since Home Depot announced that it was dropping part timers from health insurance? What about since IBM announced that they were dropping retiree healthcare? What about Walgreens? What about since the AFLCIO came out against it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GOP leadership knows that Rand and Cruz can't get the votes to defund Obamacare and fear (probably rightly) that a government shutdown will harm the Republican party in the mid term elections. No fan of McCain et al but that's the reality Correct the GOP knows that we don't have th votes to defund Obamacare but why not force the Senate Dems to come out and vote against it so that they are held accountable in '14? Senate democrats are already on the record as for Obamacare, what would another vote possibly accomplish? If they could actually stop it I'd be all for it, but I'm not seeing the advantages to this, other than to raise popularity among the base for a few politicians. If Republicans are going to be effective, they need to start offering some solutions that don't involve simply stopping everything democrats do- it doesn't play well in the press, and while treading water is certainly preferable to what the Democrats are offering, it won't help us get out of the mess that we are in. Has any Democrat voted in support ofObamacare since Home Depot announced that it was dropping part timers from health insurance? What about since IBM announced that they were dropping retiree healthcare? What about Walgreens? What about since the AFLCIO came out against it? Do you think they'll come out against it in 14'? Not a chance. And even better for us if they do. |
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Posted: 9/22/2013 5:24:06 PM EDT
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This is why we can't have nice things.
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