How hard is it to just say to the guy, "I'm sorry, let's try to figure this out.  Let's talk about it."

Probably giving him enough time to pile up evidence against himself, counting on him not keeping his mouth shut and texting people.

At that point, virtually impossible.

Enjoy prison dipshit.

This is where the Prosecution will hammer him. Once the Dad was told to LEAVE, he was trespassing when he refused to just go. However, once dude went inside, Dad was no longer a THREAT.

This is the point where BOTH sides had the opportunity to get the po-po involved.

I'm ok with better laws to defend your property, up to an including deadly force for trespassing/theft, but current law... even in Texas... isn't going to pan out well for the dude.

Kyle was 100% not guilty, he was fighting for his life against a group of rabid evil commie Felon thugs that would have killed him in the blink of an eye if he let them.

The opinion I stated above of this shooting is Not My Legal opinion, weather a good legal shoot or not I can't say  as I dont know anything about Texas SD Law.
The boyfriend inserted himself & his weapon unnecessarily into a highly emotional confrontation between a man & his ex/Estranged (I'm not sure of their relationship status) wife regarding the couple's child. Even many normally Sensible upstanding citizens  lose it when it comes to divorce/Infidelity/Child custody situations & they don't need to be aggravated by so called boyfriend's getting involved. IMO the shooter is a stupid scumbag & i hope he rots in jail!

Hi Kyle ??

From the audio it sounded like Dad was there to pick up his kid for the court approved visitation.  That would give him legal right to be there, so he's not trespassing.

Shorty decided he needed to add some inches with the gun.

Shorty brought a gun to a civil disagreement.  He's going to jail.  What a pussy.

Little man

Bumping chests with armed individual is never a good idea.

People don't seem to have figured that out.

Tell that to Joe Horn

People graduated high school.

Dinner at the short guy household 2 years from now


Short guy: Billy you shouldn’t have your elbows on the table

Mommy: listen to your new father Billy

Billy:*under breath* you shouldn’t turn annoying situations into deadly ones by letting your small mans disease get the better of you

Mommy: Billy apologize!!

Billy: no one was as guilt as you were mom

The funniest part of this is the way short stuff is trying to make himself taller when they're chest to chest

It is sad how hard that is or would be for soooo many people.  Even harder for assholes.

Ya…great job all round.

Lawful shoot…now raise the son of the man you killed over some pussy.

Fucking stupid.

Was it a warning shot or negligent discharge?

This is actually so typical, almost a SOP

I submit she used the live-in boyfriend to terminate her ex, used him like a pawn. Now *he* will get a sentence. She got rid of two men in one move. Utterly brilliant, and nobody looks at her as a grand orchestrator of things. Nope, she is in the shadows.

But yeah, women excel at manipulation. What business did that man have in the situation, it wasn't his child.
It was between her and her ex.  This is so insane on so many levels.

And just proves how retarded men can be when situation turns explosive.  Legal issues aside, I can totally understand the victim here.

Too much watching movies “what are you gonna do?  Shoot me!!??”

Completely, 100% different. God damn.

The problem is compounded by the fact that kids were always considered parent's property , specifically men's property in English common law.

Therefore this man was keeping another man's property - the kid. So, no it's not as simple as you state it to be at all.

That's the reason he hang around, although admittedly he did it totally wrong. At the first of a weapon, he should have slowly back out of there, seeing how mentally unstable that dude was.  They both turned unstable, basically assholes colliding but you gotta see the view point of the dude that got shot.

I totally understand his POV even if he did it wrong, he could have done 100 and 1 other things, better things.

Re-read the post I replied to.  Wasn’t comparing the two.  lol  Don’t get mad when this man isn’t charged for this legit self defense shooting.

Lol!  Pretty much.

Verbally threaten a man with a weapon drawn and try to take it away?  You’re going to get lawfully shot.

From what I understand it doesn’t matter in TX.  A warning shot or an oops I didn’t mean to ND can still get you in hot water in these situations. That’s the part lawyers will be having to do a lot of talking about.

And he will be grilled on the witness stand what threat did the unarmed dead guy present to him? What clear and present and immediate danger to his life?

Other than acting like a fool - and even that is justified considering his property was inside the house and he wanted it.

Hard to say who acted more foolishly in this situation. But the shooter was more criminal in his foolishness while the victim was a fool, period. Refusing to get of someone's porch is like 3 on a 1-10 idiot scale and the shooter scored a solid 9 I think.

If you're the step daddy (or dude banging the mommy as the case may be) do you really want to shoot daddy during a custody dispute just because it's legally defensible when you can avoid it?

If he had stood in the doorway with the PCC and asked the woman to come in, he would have created a safer circumstance, and also one that would have been legally much easier to defend. Acting aggressively, and stupidly getting so close that weapon retention became an issue, was idiotic. Just as idiotic as when faced with an armed dude turning it physical and forcing him to shoot you. THIS IS WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN IDIOTS COLLIDE.

Gee I don't know-----maybe that after telling him he was going to take his gun and kill him with it, he tried to?

Oh, she's a State District Judge too, appointed by none other than Gov. Abbott himself to fill a vacancy left by the death of the elected judge. This whole thing is like a fucking made for tv movie.

He's since been involved in a legit self defense shooting as well? Remarkable. Do you have a link to this seperate incident?

And to most guilty will never see the inside of a cell.

Bio-Mom.  Bio, as in biology and bi-polar.  

Poor kids.

lol,  over your head.

Lots of folks believed Joe Horn was guilty as shit.  That incident didn’t make it to the court room.  

I doubt this case will ever make it to the court room either.   When you get past feelz and look at facts and law this was justifiable homicide.

Nope

The judge wasn’t there. She filed for divorce in September.

https://www.kcbd.com/2021/11/23/court-records-connect-kyle-carruth-deadly-shooting-chad-read/

In the affidavit, according to the newspaper, Anne-Marie Carruth wrote she was “notified that my husband, William Kyle Carruth, is under investigation for the shooting and killing of his girlfriend’s children’s father after he attempted to pick up his children late Friday afternoon. My knowledge of the incident is very limited at this time, and it is my understanding that the police are still investigating.”

The secret is that the women (The wives) have been having a lesbian relationship in secret and this was a plan they cooked up to get rid of their husbands. One is dead and the other is going to prison.

Read the penal code. Also the kid allegedly wasn't even there.

Do you have a duty to retreat in Texas?

No?

Okay, so where did shooter violate Texas statute by going outside, onto his own porch, to confront a trespasser?

Crickets.

So many people here seem incapable of applying basic tenets of the law to a given situation. If A is prohibited, and B is not prohibited, examine situation and see whether it meets A or B.



My point gets illustrated immediately: do you have a legal right to be on someone else's property? No. Not even if you're there to pick up a kid (who apparently isn't even present).

Or put it another way, and imagine the kid is literally the property of the dad..let's say it's a stolen car. Shooter has stolen the vehicle and hidden it inside his garage. Car owner shows up, and refuses to leave. Is it trespassing? Absolutely. Does the car owner have the legal right to forcibly enter the dwelling to get his property back? No. He would be committing a new, separate offense.

Dad didn't have a legal right to be on the property once told to leave. Homeowner steps out with a firearm to defend himself, family, and property. Decedent explicitly stated his intent to take the firearm from homeowner and attack him. Bingo, the intent is formed. Decedent then starts grappling with him. Ability and opportunity come into play.

It's a good shoot, period. The people here saying otherwise have been brainwashed into thinking we have a legal duty to avoid all confrontation ever. Sure, it's the best policy to take for your own life...but that doesn't make it the law.



Loudly stating that you intend to take the lawful resident's firearm away and attack him, and then proceeding to do so, is the threat.

People need to get the fucking word "unarmed" out of their vocabulary. We are tool-using, murderous primates who managed to claw our way to the top of the global apex predator spot because of our brains, and the ability to use our brains to find exciting new ways to impart lethal violence upon others every bright new day. Scour history, and you can find enough graves to cover the entire surface area of Lichtenstein with men, women, and children who were killed by "unarmed" opponents. When a man announces his intent to inflict great bodily injury to you, and then starts down the road of doing so, the only sane response is to begin inflicting central nervous system hits with the closest slugthrower at hand.

I am an expert on law in the state of Texas.  It is not a legal shoot if you do not say "take yer swing" before shooting.

Even if the child was there, it doesn’t make it kidnapping.

well fuck. So the shooter is the husband of a state judge, and he shot his girlfriend's baby daddy
If this was at the shooter's house, did the shooter have his gf and her kids over at the house he shared with his wife?

This. Explicitly illegal. He better not have said anything about it being a warning shot.

Lol, ok, boy

I had to leave this thread yesterday to cool off, but I'm fine now, so I came back to see how far out of control this potential dumpster fire has gotten. . .

This post sums up my feelings quite well.

Excellent post, @garr - thank you!

Did you say dumpster?  Let me get my Shockwave.

What’s with the 6th grade childish insult? lol

We can agree to disagree without childish name calling

gets more interesting by the minute.

That wasn't a warning shot. He tried to shoot him in the foot and missed, hoping the shot in the foot would get the guy to leave.

would not surprise me at all
That's what I think too. They are very clever and this will never come to the surface, because the two fools incriminated themselves. One is DRT and the other will be in legal jeopardy. Even if he does not do time, he will be bankrupted by the process against him. They are both screwed.