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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:08:59 PM EDT
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Well, has he been charged yet?
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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:10:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's another 2013 account with 300 posts (and probably 50-100 in this thread alone.) I think this is one of those accounts that the mods are suppose to be looking for. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A criminal trespasser that is physical larger than you is in your front yard, refusing to leave, and is raging at you and your girlfriend. It's absolutely "appropriate" to arm oneself in such circumstances, even though no justification is needed. "Critically think"? Time for you to start. . . "raging at you and your girlfriend"? You mean yelling about where is his kid at and threatening to haul people to court? Yeeeeaaaahhhhhhhhhhh; that certainly warrants getting a gun to protect yourself from those non-existent physical threats.  In your world, are domestic situations all rainbows and unicorns, or do they, like in the real world, turn violent? "Critically think." Just do it. The dude you're arguing with (now) is a police officer. But since you already quoted me and replied with a bunch of dumb stuff, I'm going to infer you were either drinking, or naturally inclined to a lower level of cogitation. Or both.  It's another 2013 account with 300 posts (and probably 50-100 in this thread alone.) I think this is one of those accounts that the mods are suppose to be looking for. You might not be in such a great position as you think to cast aspersions over post count. How many of yours are from one thread? Hint - GP. Since you're the one bringing it up, note some people might say a post count can also indicate when someone should read more and post less 
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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:13:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was told if my ex played fuck fuck games with the transfer of our children to document everything. First call is to PD to have a report filed, so when family court decides to see you there is proof. Also told don’t expect anything to be done unless it happens on multiple occasions. Like I said (and predicted for the US) almost at the beginning and without any experience in US family law: Document the non compliance and contact you lawyer who wil get a court date. Acting like a fucktard doesn't get you the kids and might even get you killed in self defence. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:14:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's another 2013 account with 300 posts (and probably 50-100 in this thread alone.) I think this is one of those accounts that the mods are suppose to be looking for. How ironic! How do you know anything about '13ers? You definitely sound like a retread. They tend to announce themselves. Welcome back! If you fellow firearm enthusiasts were not protected trolls, then I would be more concerned with a 2020 account with thousands of posts. As it is, you're protected and we have to be nice to you so you won't leave. No matter if it does damage the site. Yes, I am awaiting my warning/ban. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:35:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's another 2013 account with 300 posts (and probably 50-100 in this thread alone.) I think this is one of those accounts that the mods are suppose to be looking for. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A criminal trespasser that is physical larger than you is in your front yard, refusing to leave, and is raging at you and your girlfriend. It's absolutely "appropriate" to arm oneself in such circumstances, even though no justification is needed. "Critically think"? Time for you to start. . . "raging at you and your girlfriend"? You mean yelling about where is his kid at and threatening to haul people to court? Yeeeeaaaahhhhhhhhhhh; that certainly warrants getting a gun to protect yourself from those non-existent physical threats. In your world, are domestic situations all rainbows and unicorns, or do they, like in the real world, turn violent? "Critically think." Just do it. The dude you're arguing with (now) is a police officer. But since you already quoted me and replied with a bunch of dumb stuff, I'm going to infer you were either drinking, or naturally inclined to a lower level of cogitation. Or both. It's another 2013 account with 300 posts (and probably 50-100 in this thread alone.) I think this is one of those accounts that the mods are suppose to be looking for. People disagreeing with you doesn't make them trolls. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:35:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, has he been charged yet? No. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:41:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People disagreeing with you doesn't make them trolls. No, but it's idiotic to quote someone (me) and argue a point I never made, And, To argue a DV issue with someone who is clearly a cop and has "Patrol" in their screen name. So yeah - either drunk, dumb or here to stir up shit. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:47:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, but it's idiotic to quote someone (me) and argue a point I never made, And, To argue a DV issue with someone who is clearly a cop and has "Patrol" in their screen name. So yeah - either drunk, dumb or here to stir up shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People disagreeing with you doesn't make them trolls. No, but it's idiotic to quote someone (me) and argue a point I never made, And, To argue a DV issue with someone who is clearly a cop and has "Patrol" in their screen name. So yeah - either drunk, dumb or here to stir up shit. With logic like that I can see why you think everyone is a troll |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:52:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chest bumping isn’t an attack and cause for use of deadly force no matter how many of you guys claim it. You embarrass yourselves making that argument. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No he wasn’t attacked. He was confronted. He was yelled at. He wasn’t attacked. Not true. He made physical contact with black shirt guy and threatened to do him serious bodily harm. That is all that matters in this case. All the “dog ate my homework” arguments don’t come into play. Chest bumping isn’t an attack and cause for use of deadly force no matter how many of you guys claim it. You embarrass yourselves making that argument. We will see who is embarrassed when the matter is settled. Under Texas law you don’t have to wait until some one kicks your ass before you respond. All that matters is what the law say it is. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Playing Devil's Asshole here - If there is a rule byva judge dictating that the custodial transfer occur at that place and by a certain time, then what? Your only recourse is to file a motion with the court. The Judge decides if the order was violated. You can’t kick someone’s ass and take the law into your own hands. The sooner men learn how to play the game, the sooner they will get a better deal. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 5:10:33 PM EDT
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This thread sure does out the manlets in GD.
A fucking chest bump....lol. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 5:42:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread sure does out the manlets in GD. A fucking chest bump....lol. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 5:43:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your only recourse is to file a motion with the court. The Judge decides if the order was violated. You can't kick someone's ass and take the law into your own hands. The sooner men learn how to play the game, the sooner they will get a better deal. I thought I was abundantly clear I am not then or now interested in the escalation, or arguments for justification for any use of force? Can we ask questions on a broad topic that fall outside the scope of the (a, any) clusterfuck? I've been blessed with a boring drama free 30 year marriage and four healthy (now adult) sons...these custodial matters are truly alien to me. ...So in Texas, is there any stipulation in custodial cases where party A has to produce the child at a time and place? And if no, are there any immediate sanctions or violations? |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 5:47:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With logic like that I can see why you think everyone is a troll Only the people who would run with shit in unbelievable tangents. Example: I can understand why you have a position that some mods might be pedophiles, but wanting to randomly execute people is uncool. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 5:49:30 PM EDT
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Homeowner guy's attitude really changed after stepping inside to come back out again strapped. Like he was just looking for trouble.
Legally....it will be interesting to see how this plays out in front of the legal system, laws on the books and a jury. Crazy shit! |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 5:53:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does that apply to the woman who posted as well? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This thread sure does out the manlets in GD. A fucking chest bump....lol. It's hard to tell these days. 
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Posted: 12/7/2021 5:56:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought I was abundantly clear I am not then or now interested in the escalation, or arguments for justification for any use of force? Can we ask questions on a broad topic that fall outside the scope of the (a, any) clusterfuck? I've been blessed with a boring drama free 30 year marriage and four healthy (now adult) sons...these custodial matters are truly alien to me. ...So in Texas, is there any stipulation in custodial cases where party A has to produce the child at a time and place? And if no, are there any immediate sanctions or violations? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your only recourse is to file a motion with the court. The Judge decides if the order was violated. You can't kick someone's ass and take the law into your own hands. The sooner men learn how to play the game, the sooner they will get a better deal. I thought I was abundantly clear I am not then or now interested in the escalation, or arguments for justification for any use of force? Can we ask questions on a broad topic that fall outside the scope of the (a, any) clusterfuck? I've been blessed with a boring drama free 30 year marriage and four healthy (now adult) sons...these custodial matters are truly alien to me. ...So in Texas, is there any stipulation in custodial cases where party A has to produce the child at a time and place? And if no, are there any immediate sanctions or violations? Drama free is good for the soul. I don't believe there is anything more than document and go to court. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 5:58:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only the people who would run with shit in unbelievable tangents. Example: I can understand why you have a position that some mods might be pedophiles, but wanting to randomly execute people is uncool. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: With logic like that I can see why you think everyone is a troll Only the people who would run with shit in unbelievable tangents. Example: I can understand why you have a position that some mods might be pedophiles, but wanting to randomly execute people is uncool. This is a epic shit show of a shooting, legal or not. This thread is giving it a run for its money
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Posted: 12/7/2021 6:00:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Homeowner guy's attitude really changed after stepping inside to come back out again strapped. Like he was just looking for trouble. Legally....it will be interesting to see how this plays out in front of the legal system, laws on the books and a jury. Crazy shit! More like he was looking to remove the trouble from his property. Words were not enough for him to remove himself. No doubt it wasn't a smart move, shoulda called the cops and had him removed for criminal trespass (after the warning not leaving means handcuffs). IF ya need a gun don't let the bad guy get close enough to grab it, anyone charging an armed person is someone you don't wanna fight. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 6:01:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's hard to tell these days. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This thread sure does out the manlets in GD. A fucking chest bump....lol. It's hard to tell these days.  
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Posted: 12/8/2021 1:17:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, has he been charged yet? No. Not yet.... Texas Attorney General Confirms Criminal Investigation into Shooting Death of Chad Read https://lawandcrime.com/caught-on-video/texas-attorney-general-confirms-criminal-investigation-into-shooting-death-of-chad-read-whose-mother-and-children-have-sued-alleged-shooter/ https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/paxton-investigates-shooting-death-lubbock |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 2:07:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the whore/mother of his children told him to stay she wanted to talk to him. The whole thing smells like it was a setup to kill the guy. To your point. As black shirt turns to enter the house and before he reappears armed, the whore/mother, at the right of the screen, takes several noticeable steps back. Why? I do not know that answer. It doesn't appear there was a competent adult there looking to de-escalate. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 2:40:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chest bumping isn’t an attack and cause for use of deadly force no matter how many of you guys claim it. You embarrass yourselves making that argument. I have been a police officer for 29 years. Chest bumping or making any physical contact is no justification for murder. You would not believe how many times we have pulled our weapons and ordered a subject to the ground or to comply and they refuse. Most male subjects in our country will not comply willingly, that is why a firearm is the last resource. once you pull a firearm you have no place to go but up unless you’re willing to back down yourself. If you are not presented with deadly force, you do not escalate to deadly force, unless you like prison. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 2:42:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once they tell the father the child is not there, and I believe they did, the father should have left when told to do so. Even if they refused to transfer the child, once father has been told to leave the premises, he should have left, or at least called the police to make a report. What he should NOT have done is advance onto the porch to confront the homeowner who is armed and telling him to leave. What he should not have done was attempt to disarm the homeowner. Remember, the homeowner did NOT advance on him, he stood his ground. It went from 0-100 in a matter of seconds once the father tried to disarm the homeowner, on his own property. That is what got him killed. Was the homeowner justified in his actions by using deadly force...? Well, Texas laws indicate he was. Finding 12 jurors in west Texas that disagree with that will be a tall order, imo. * I am not an attorney *... just some random goober giving my opinion based on what I saw and what I've read. Is he die stupid? Of course he did. Walking up on somebody who has a gun pointed at you is the height of stupidity. Obviously the boyfriend was unstable himself. But in the United States of America, people often refused back down because they are afraid that it diminishes their manhood. The boyfriend is not justified because the ex-husband refused to leave. But the ex-husband is dead of his own stupidity for sure. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 2:45:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should have signaled Green Shirt to get the fuck off his property. But he chose to continue to be aggressive and got killed. Maybe he was justified, but he's still dead. If Black Shirt goes to jail, hopefully Green Shirt will be at peace. Methinks that the liberals in Texas will use this as a springboard to pass red flag laws. Also, to pass laws indicating or changing the way homeowners can protect themselves |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 1:06:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You might not be in such a great position as you think to cast aspersions over post count. How many of yours are from one thread? Hint - GP. Since you're the one bringing it up, note some people might say a post count can also indicate when someone should read more and post less Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A criminal trespasser that is physical larger than you is in your front yard, refusing to leave, and is raging at you and your girlfriend. It's absolutely "appropriate" to arm oneself in such circumstances, even though no justification is needed. "Critically think"? Time for you to start. . . "raging at you and your girlfriend"? You mean yelling about where is his kid at and threatening to haul people to court? Yeeeeaaaahhhhhhhhhhh; that certainly warrants getting a gun to protect yourself from those non-existent physical threats. In your world, are domestic situations all rainbows and unicorns, or do they, like in the real world, turn violent? "Critically think." Just do it. The dude you're arguing with (now) is a police officer. But since you already quoted me and replied with a bunch of dumb stuff, I'm going to infer you were either drinking, or naturally inclined to a lower level of cogitation. Or both. It's another 2013 account with 300 posts (and probably 50-100 in this thread alone.) I think this is one of those accounts that the mods are suppose to be looking for. You might not be in such a great position as you think to cast aspersions over post count. How many of yours are from one thread? Hint - GP. Since you're the one bringing it up, note some people might say a post count can also indicate when someone should read more and post less I already had a solid post count before those two hobos ever went camping. But no doubt that thread definitely boosted my count. There’s just a pattern here of 12 and 13 accounts with next to zero posts showing up and spamming threads. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 1:07:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How ironic! How do you know anything about '13ers? You definitely sound like a retread. They tend to announce themselves. Welcome back! If you fellow firearm enthusiasts were not protected trolls, then I would be more concerned with a 2020 account with thousands of posts. As it is, you're protected and we have to be nice to you so you won't leave. No matter if it does damage the site. Yes, I am awaiting my warning/ban. 
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Posted: 12/8/2021 1:21:28 PM EDT
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2 different videos from 2 different angles, eye witnesses and good audio. Weeks have passed
Not charged. I'd guess there is a better than average chance that he isn't going to be charged. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 1:31:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 different videos from 2 different angles, eye witnesses and good audio. Weeks have passed Not charged. I'd guess there is a better than average chance that he isn't going to be charged. There is no set time limit on when charges must be brought. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 1:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 different videos from 2 different angles, eye witnesses and good audio. Weeks have passed Not charged. I'd guess there is a better than average chance that he isn't going to be charged. The MO couple were not charged for about 70 days (exact interval not verified). |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 2:03:05 PM EDT
[#31]
I remember reading the judge in the custody case is personally involved with the kids mother or other family. Are they looking into that at all now?
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Posted: 12/8/2021 2:57:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not yet.... Texas Attorney General Confirms Criminal Investigation into Shooting Death of Chad Read https://lawandcrime.com/caught-on-video/texas-attorney-general-confirms-criminal-investigation-into-shooting-death-of-chad-read-whose-mother-and-children-have-sued-alleged-shooter/ https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/paxton-investigates-shooting-death-lubbock Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, has he been charged yet? No. Not yet.... Texas Attorney General Confirms Criminal Investigation into Shooting Death of Chad Read https://lawandcrime.com/caught-on-video/texas-attorney-general-confirms-criminal-investigation-into-shooting-death-of-chad-read-whose-mother-and-children-have-sued-alleged-shooter/ https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/paxton-investigates-shooting-death-lubbock No is still the correct answer. TX AG's office has had this case long enough to charge him |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 10:14:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No is still the correct answer. TX AG's office has had this case long enough to charge him Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, has he been charged yet? No. Not yet.... Texas Attorney General Confirms Criminal Investigation into Shooting Death of Chad Read https://lawandcrime.com/caught-on-video/texas-attorney-general-confirms-criminal-investigation-into-shooting-death-of-chad-read-whose-mother-and-children-have-sued-alleged-shooter/ https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/paxton-investigates-shooting-death-lubbock No is still the correct answer. TX AG's office has had this case long enough to charge him well according to their own statement...it's still on. Stay tuned! “The Attorney General of Texas has received repeated inquiries as to a criminal investigation of a shooting death referred from Lubbock County, Texas. This shooting has received nationwide media coverage,” the press release said. “Our office has begun a criminal investigation into this shooting,” the press release continued. “During the pendency of any criminal investigation conducted by our office, we do not comment on the case to protect the integrity of the investigation. Accordingly, we will not be commenting on the facts of this case.” |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 10:19:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: well according to their own statement...it's still on. Stay tuned! “The Attorney General of Texas has received repeated inquiries as to a criminal investigation of a shooting death referred from Lubbock County, Texas. This shooting has received nationwide media coverage,” the press release said. “Our office has begun a criminal investigation into this shooting,” the press release continued. “During the pendency of any criminal investigation conducted by our office, we do not comment on the case to protect the integrity of the investigation. Accordingly, we will not be commenting on the facts of this case.” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, has he been charged yet? No. Not yet.... Texas Attorney General Confirms Criminal Investigation into Shooting Death of Chad Read https://lawandcrime.com/caught-on-video/texas-attorney-general-confirms-criminal-investigation-into-shooting-death-of-chad-read-whose-mother-and-children-have-sued-alleged-shooter/ https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/paxton-investigates-shooting-death-lubbock No is still the correct answer. TX AG's office has had this case long enough to charge him well according to their own statement...it's still on. Stay tuned! “The Attorney General of Texas has received repeated inquiries as to a criminal investigation of a shooting death referred from Lubbock County, Texas. This shooting has received nationwide media coverage,” the press release said. “Our office has begun a criminal investigation into this shooting,” the press release continued. “During the pendency of any criminal investigation conducted by our office, we do not comment on the case to protect the integrity of the investigation. Accordingly, we will not be commenting on the facts of this case.” Lets sharpen our pitch forks just in case. The case was handed over 18 days ago, statement is because of Karen's calling. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:11:32 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets sharpen our pitch forks just in case. The case was handed over 18 days ago, statement is because of Karen's calling. It will be interesting to see if it goes to a Grand Jury. Dead guy deserves that much anyway. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:17:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure I have a lot more experience addressing DV situations than you.............and this one didnt need a gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In your world, are domestic situations all rainbows and unicorns, or do they, like in the real world, turn violent? “Critically think.” Just do it. Pretty sure I have a lot more experience addressing DV situations than you.............and this one didnt need a gun. Interesting conclusion to come to, given that you know nothing about me. Given that the criminal trespasser battered the homeowner, and attempted to take his gun, you know, after he said he’d kill the homeowner with it, being armed turned out to be a very prudent thing to do. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:20:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of them turn violent because one party introduces something into the argument that they think will deescalate the situation....and instead escalate it further? If some of the TX folks in the thread are correct, black shirt was completely legal to go in the house and get his gun....but the argument didn't get physical until he did that. I could see where that could hurt him with a jury....or not....it's all just speculation at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In your world, are domestic situations all rainbows and unicorns, or do they, like in the real world, turn violent? “Critically think.” Just do it. How many of them turn violent because one party introduces something into the argument that they think will deescalate the situation....and instead escalate it further? If some of the TX folks in the thread are correct, black shirt was completely legal to go in the house and get his gun....but the argument didn't get physical until he did that. I could see where that could hurt him with a jury....or not....it's all just speculation at this point. Do you have some insight that black shirt armed himself in an attempt to de-escalate the situation? A raging trespasser refusing to leave your property is more than enough justification to arm oneself, even though no justification is needed. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:21:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The dude you're arguing with (now) is a police officer. But since you already quoted me and replied with a bunch of dumb stuff, I'm going to infer you were either drinking, or naturally inclined to a lower level of cogitation. Or both. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A criminal trespasser that is physical larger than you is in your front yard, refusing to leave, and is raging at you and your girlfriend. It's absolutely "appropriate" to arm oneself in such circumstances, even though no justification is needed. "Critically think"? Time for you to start. . . "raging at you and your girlfriend"? You mean yelling about where is his kid at and threatening to haul people to court? Yeeeeaaaahhhhhhhhhhh; that certainly warrants getting a gun to protect yourself from those non-existent physical threats. In your world, are domestic situations all rainbows and unicorns, or do they, like in the real world, turn violent? "Critically think." Just do it. The dude you're arguing with (now) is a police officer. But since you already quoted me and replied with a bunch of dumb stuff, I'm going to infer you were either drinking, or naturally inclined to a lower level of cogitation. Or both. You’re a special kind of special, aren’t you? |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think anyone here is trying to justify or excuse that. But Read was killed for attacking a man armed with a rifle. You wouldn’t be trying to justify or excuse that, would you? ?? Interesting, so you agree that he and everyone else is responsible for happened? Since all they had to do was LEGALLY comply with the court order. Instead of keeping the child from the dad. Glad you agree it was totally preventable if all those people would have done what was legally required. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:24:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will be interesting to see if it goes to a Grand Jury. Dead guy deserves that much anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lets sharpen our pitch forks just in case. The case was handed over 18 days ago, statement is because of Karen's calling. It will be interesting to see if it goes to a Grand Jury. Dead guy deserves that much anyway. Yeah it needs to go to a grand jury. Hopefully dillegent investigation too |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:25:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, but it's idiotic to quote someone (me) and argue a point I never made, And, To argue a DV issue with someone who is clearly a cop and has "Patrol" in their screen name. So yeah - either drunk, dumb or here to stir up shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People disagreeing with you doesn't make them trolls. No, but it's idiotic to quote someone (me) and argue a point I never made, And, To argue a DV issue with someone who is clearly a cop and has "Patrol" in their screen name. So yeah - either drunk, dumb or here to stir up shit. None of the above. But go on knob slobbering a cop - it’s fun to watch. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:26:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting conclusion to come to, given that you know nothing about me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting conclusion to come to, given that you know nothing about me. Your moronic posts tell enough Given that the criminal trespasser battered the homeowner, and attempted to take his gun, you know, after he said he’d kill the homeowner with it, being armed turned out to be a very prudent thing to do. Funny how green shirt never tried to go hands on, chest bump, or do anything similar to black shirt until after the gun came out. So again, a situation where a gun wasnt needed and its introduction caused the situation to escalate. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:26:39 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No is still the correct answer. TX AG's office has had this case long enough to charge him You sound butt hurt. Are you having custody issues? Can we help? |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, so you agree that he and everyone else is responsible for happened? Since all they had to do was LEGALLY comply with the court order. Instead of keeping the child from the dad. Glad you agree it was totally preventable if all those people would have done what was legally required. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t think anyone here is trying to justify or excuse that. But Read was killed for attacking a man armed with a rifle. You wouldn’t be trying to justify or excuse that, would you? ?? Interesting, so you agree that he and everyone else is responsible for happened? Since all they had to do was LEGALLY comply with the court order. Instead of keeping the child from the dad. Glad you agree it was totally preventable if all those people would have done what was legally required. I agree that it was preventable had Read left the property when ordered to, instead of attacking the property owner. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:35:53 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your moronic posts tell enough Funny how green shirt never tried to go hands on, chest bump, or do anything similar to black shirt until after the gun came out. So again, a situation where a gun wasnt needed and its introduction caused the situation to escalate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting conclusion to come to, given that you know nothing about me. Your moronic posts tell enough Given that the criminal trespasser battered the homeowner, and attempted to take his gun, you know, after he said he’d kill the homeowner with it, being armed turned out to be a very prudent thing to do. Funny how green shirt never tried to go hands on, chest bump, or do anything similar to black shirt until after the gun came out. So again, a situation where a gun wasnt needed and its introduction caused the situation to escalate. Do you believe that “needing” a gun is a requirement to be armed on your own property inTX? Is that what your LE experience tells you? Just stop with that nonsense. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 11:41:30 PM EDT
[#46]
Just in case you all wanted to hear other people’s perspectives.
Pretty solid takes from Colin and the show host.  Was this Shooting Justified?? Colion Noir & John Lovell break down LEGAL & TACTICAL considerations |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 11:41:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have some insight that black shirt armed himself in an attempt to de-escalate the situation? A raging trespasser refusing to leave your property is more than enough justification to arm oneself, even though no justification is needed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In your world, are domestic situations all rainbows and unicorns, or do they, like in the real world, turn violent? “Critically think.” Just do it. How many of them turn violent because one party introduces something into the argument that they think will deescalate the situation....and instead escalate it further? If some of the TX folks in the thread are correct, black shirt was completely legal to go in the house and get his gun....but the argument didn't get physical until he did that. I could see where that could hurt him with a jury....or not....it's all just speculation at this point. Do you have some insight that black shirt armed himself in an attempt to de-escalate the situation? A raging trespasser refusing to leave your property is more than enough justification to arm oneself, even though no justification is needed. It doesn't feel like an unreasonable assumption based on the video, since he didn't come out of the door with the gun pointed at green shirt and even allowed him to close distance and put his hand on the gun without actually pointing it at him. I would assume that if he thought the threat was that high, he would have came out of the house with the gun pointed at him and fired when he was advanced on. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:34:01 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny how green shirt never tried to go hands on, chest bump, or do anything similar to black shirt until after the gun came out. So again, a situation where a gun wasnt needed and its introduction caused the situation to escalate. So wait... in your mind, the fact that black shirt was armed BEFORE Gigachad initiated the physical altercation means that black shirt had no right to use a gun for self-defense? Did you work for the Rittenhouse prosecution team? |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:44:37 PM EDT
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I think we can all agree that the guy in the red shirt did nothing wrong. Maybe.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:56:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no set time limit on when charges must be brought. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 2 different videos from 2 different angles, eye witnesses and good audio. Weeks have passed Not charged. I'd guess there is a better than average chance that he isn't going to be charged. There is no set time limit on when charges must be brought. Sgt. Daniel Perry case (Ft. Hood soldier working ride share when an Austin libtard pointed an AK-47 at him in a BLM "march") took almost a year for indictment. Expect TX Atty General Investigation office to move at a Glacial Pace on this case. |
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