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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:24:03 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:24:39 PM EST
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CZ
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:25:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Dan Wesson DWX has my eye. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/103813/FC2E4E13-6EFB-4AD0-ADA7-13165F239FC1_png-1910147.JPG https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/dwx/ Me too but I don't think there's any in the wild yet, right? |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:26:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CZ Fuck OP’s rules 
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:26:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Dan Wesson DWX has my eye. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/103813/FC2E4E13-6EFB-4AD0-ADA7-13165F239FC1_png-1910147.JPG https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/dwx/ Vaporware AFAIK. I like my Staccato and would recommend it. Sig Legion SAO is neat, but not as nice shooting as a real 2011 IMO. Specifically, I would recommend the Staccato P DUO for your intended use. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:31:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vaporware AFAIK. I like my Staccato and would recommend it. Sig Legion SAO is neat, but not as nice shooting as a real 2011 IMO. Specifically, I would recommend the Staccato P DUO for your intended use. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Dan Wesson DWX has my eye. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/103813/FC2E4E13-6EFB-4AD0-ADA7-13165F239FC1_png-1910147.JPG https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/dwx/ Vaporware AFAIK. I like my Staccato and would recommend it. Sig Legion SAO is neat, but not as nice shooting as a real 2011 IMO. Specifically, I would recommend the Staccato P DUO for your intended use. I've shot the Sig but not the staccato. What difference do you notice between the two? |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:35:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CZ Fuck OP’s rules This, TSO owner checking in. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:37:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've shot the Sig but not the staccato. What difference do you notice between the two? Staccato P has softer recoil and a better trigger. Personally, I also prefer the Staccato grip. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:38:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Staccato P has softer recoil and a better trigger. Personally, I also prefer the Staccato grip. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've shot the Sig but not the staccato. What difference do you notice between the two? Staccato P has softer recoil and a better trigger. Personally, I also prefer the Staccato grip. Awesome, appreciate it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:39:11 PM EST
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Quoted: CZ is out because I hate the slide. Lol I was about to recommend a CZ when I read the thread title. What about the slide do you not like out of curiosity? IMHO Sig has lost their way. Instead of just producing things like the P220/226/229 in a few different calibers, maybe some SAOs to go with the DA/SAs, and maybe a few DAKs, maybe with a few different barrel lengths; they make the PXXX rainbow unicorn edition, or the superManBearPig edition that costs an extra $400 and gets you into some stupid club. I don't think their SAO triggers are all that great either. Given your criteria I'd look at one of the Dan Wesson 1911s. You didn't mention a specific caliber, but if it's 9mm/10mm/.45 they make it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:39:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, TSO owner checking in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: CZ Fuck OP’s rules This, TSO owner checking in. 
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:39:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, TSO owner checking in. My initial recommendation. Coworker just bought one 
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:40:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CZ Fuck OP’s rules This. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:40:56 PM EST
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Infinity 2011
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:42:16 PM EST
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CZ.
The slide size is not an issue if you’re not the kinda fella who needs help opening a pickle jar. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:42:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol I was about to recommend a CZ when I read the thread title. What about the slide do you not like out of curiosity? IMHO Sig has lost their way. Instead of just producing things like the P220/226/229 in a few different calibers, maybe some SAOs to go with the DA/SAs, and maybe a few DAKs, maybe with a few different barrel lengths; they make the PXXX rainbow unicorn edition, or the superManBearPig edition that costs an extra $400 and gets you into some stupid club. I don't think their SAO triggers are all that great either. Given your criteria I'd look at one of the Dan Wesson 1911s. You didn't mention a specific caliber, but if it's 9mm/10mm/.45 they make it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: CZ is out because I hate the slide. Lol I was about to recommend a CZ when I read the thread title. What about the slide do you not like out of curiosity? IMHO Sig has lost their way. Instead of just producing things like the P220/226/229 in a few different calibers, maybe some SAOs to go with the DA/SAs, and maybe a few DAKs, maybe with a few different barrel lengths; they make the PXXX rainbow unicorn edition, or the superManBearPig edition that costs an extra $400 and gets you into some stupid club. I don't think their SAO triggers are all that great either. Given your criteria I'd look at one of the Dan Wesson 1911s. You didn't mention a specific caliber, but if it's 9mm/10mm/.45 they make it. It's just so small I always grab frame. I have to think about it to rack it. Inb4 you won't be using it in a holster Inb4 if it runs dry use slide release I know. I just don't care for it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:43:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CZ. The slide size is not an issue if you’re not the kinda fella who needs help opening a pickle jar. It's weird, it's small and feels dainty and I don't care for it. I hate it. You're not going to win me over. I've shot them, they're nice guns. I'm not shitting on them as firearms, I just don't like them. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:48:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's just so small I always grab frame. I have to think about it to rack it. Inb4 you won't be using it in a holster Inb4 if it runs dry use slide release I know. I just don't care for it. Subjective preference is as good a reason as any, no need to convince me. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:49:35 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:50:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Subjective preference is as good a reason as any, no need to convince me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's just so small I always grab frame. I have to think about it to rack it. Inb4 you won't be using it in a holster Inb4 if it runs dry use slide release I know. I just don't care for it. Subjective preference is as good a reason as any, no need to convince me. 
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:50:27 PM EST
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My Sig 226RX SAO has the best SAO trigger I've ever felt on a non-1911. It's better than the Legion. I probably just got lucky.
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:51:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryAlways wanted a Delta Elite but I think I'd like a little more capacity for daily carry and competition. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:53:39 PM EST
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Staccato
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:53:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Sig 226RX SAO has the best SAO trigger I've ever felt on a non-1911. It's better than the Legion. I probably just got lucky. Haven't shot one of those, but I'll keep an eye out at the range. Thanks brother |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:56:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Always wanted a Delta Elite but I think I'd like a little more capacity for daily carry and competition. The more you post, the more apparent it is that you either want a Staccato, or you want to wait for an indefinite period of time to see what the DWX ends up really being like |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:57:49 PM EST
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1911 of some type or Browning Hi Power.
OWS just sent me a notice they got some hipower clones in... |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:01:14 PM EST
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Quote Historywant. big time. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:01:24 PM EST
[#28]
1911 or a Staccato if you want more capacity
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:04:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1911 of some type or Browning Hi Power. OWS just sent me a notice they got some hipower clones in... Reconditioned FEG's. I've heard mixed reviews, not sure I'd be in at $600. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:05:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Infinity 2011 You’re going to give him a heart attack when he sees the price. Lol. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:08:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The more you post, the more apparent it is that you either want a Staccato, or you want to wait for an indefinite period of time to see what the DWX ends up really being like Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Always wanted a Delta Elite but I think I'd like a little more capacity for daily carry and competition. The more you post, the more apparent it is that you either want a Staccato, or you want to wait for an indefinite period of time to see what the DWX ends up really being like  I'm not a really competitive shooter. I do Cola, APC and 2 gun. I'm regularly right around the middle of the pack. Carry wise, I've always carried full sized pistols as pistols are already a compromise. I started carrying a 1911 from 21 until about 30- something but realized why not have over twice the capacity with a double stack. Then I shot some SAO double stacks (obviously loved them) and realized my entire life is a lie I need a full sized SAO pistol. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:08:57 PM EST
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I've probably shot my Staccato more than all my other guns combined since I got it. The thing is stupid smooth.
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:11:26 PM EST
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Quoted: Infinity 2011 Quoted: You’re going to give him a heart attack when he sees the price. Lol. Worth 5k? Damn. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:13:18 PM EST
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Wilson Combat EDC will probably be my next major gun purchase.
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:13:29 PM EST
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Quoted: Not looking for competition gun, nor a compact gun. I'm looking for a full sized SAO pistol to both carry and shoot at events. Staccato? Sig Legion? CZ is out because I hate the slide. I plan on getting an RMR with it as well. I was thinking Legion but I forgot about Stacattos and I've never shot a Stacatto. Any other ones you would be looking at besides those two? Get a 2011 in some flavor. 
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:13:43 PM EST
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You said you plan on RMR but all sorts of guns are being mentioned that have no optic cut. Sure, you can cut about anything but it's kind of a hassle, gotta refinish it and can get pricey.
I agree on CZ. They're great guns and I've had a few but just don't like em either. Although I shoot Glocks, I spent a few years shooting 2011's. I had almost every model of the 2020 Staccatos and they are kind of like the Glock of 2011's. Just solid overall. CS has improved greatly. Slap an RMR on and go. Get a P duo |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:14:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Dan Wesson DWX has my eye. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/103813/FC2E4E13-6EFB-4AD0-ADA7-13165F239FC1_png-1910147.JPG https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/dwx/ |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:16:29 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:19:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a really competitive shooter. I do Cola, APC and 2 gun. I'm regularly right around the middle of the pack. Carry wise, I've always carried full sized pistols as pistols are already a compromise. I started carrying a 1911 from 21 until about 30- something but realized why not have over twice the capacity with a double stack. Then I shot some SAO double stacks (obviously loved them) and realized my entire life is a lie I need a full sized SAO pistol. I was looking for something like you're seeking - in the mid 1980's. The solution wasn't that good as double stack 45's in 1911s tend to be a bit rough. It was a lot of money and work but I recently took that same Para P14, converted to 45 super, accurized, plenty of metal work, file work, beavertail safety. When it was running accurate and perfect, I took it apart, cleaned it extensively and sent it to Ron Mahovsky. Electroless nickel base on the frame, then hard chrome over the top. Black titanium on the slide (not by Ron). The drop in trigger/commander hammer set was fully broken in before the electroless nickel (on the internal parts) and it works like a dream. Very clean. I know you're not looking to build. I don't know if there is some doublestack 1911 (or later) that's better finished out of the box or not. I've heard the RIAs can be kind of rough to begin with like my Para originally was. Also, it takes a big paw to tolerate a 1911 doublestack. It feels right to me but 2XL hands, so.. I then did quite a bit of custom work on a S&W 625 as a companion gun. But I digress, obviously. Maybe a custom from a trusted name? Just a thought. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:20:15 PM EST
[#40]
BHP.
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:27:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wilson Combat EDC will probably be my next major gun purchase. I was a year into a build I had to cancel for a hip replacement for my dog. I still have a Wilson itch. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:28:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a 2011 in some flavor. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/453175/With_Suppressor-1897035.jpg
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:30:50 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:31:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You said you plan on RMR but all sorts of guns are being mentioned that have no optic cut. Sure, you can cut about anything but it's kind of a hassle, gotta refinish it and can get pricey. I agree on CZ. They're great guns and I've had a few but just don't like em either. Although I shoot Glocks, I spent a few years shooting 2011's. I had almost every model of the 2020 Staccatos and they are kind of like the Glock of 2011's. Just solid overall. CS has improved greatly. Slap an RMR on and go. Get a P duo I shoot Glocks as well, but it's just a cost/reliability/does the job thing. I really like single action handguns and can shoot them better than my Glocks. A guy at APC let me shoot his X6 from Germany I was hitting steel at 100 no problem first mag. I had not shot pistol at 100yds before that day and could not hit it with a mag from my G17. Of course with training sure it's possible but I'm fine with my G17 for defensive use within real life pistol distances. I guess I want it all and I feel a quality double stack SAO will do that. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:32:18 PM EST
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Hk USP v9
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:32:50 PM EST
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Glock 19...
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:33:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was looking for something like you're seeking - in the mid 1980's. The solution wasn't that good as double stack 45's in 1911s tend to be a bit rough. It was a lot of money and work but I recently took that same Para P14, converted to 45 super, accurized, plenty of metal work, file work, beavertail safety. When it was running accurate and perfect, I took it apart, cleaned it extensively and sent it to Ron Mahovsky. Electroless nickel base on the frame, then hard chrome over the top. Black titanium on the slide (not by Ron). The drop in trigger/commander hammer set was fully broken in before the electroless nickel (on the internal parts) and it works like a dream. Very clean. I know you're not looking to build. I don't know if there is some doublestack 1911 (or later) that's better finished out of the box or not. I've heard the RIAs can be kind of rough to begin with like my Para originally was. Also, it takes a big paw to tolerate a 1911 doublestack. It feels right to me but 2XL hands, so.. I then did quite a bit of custom work on a S&W 625 as a companion gun. But I digress, obviously. Maybe a custom from a trusted name? Just a thought. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not a really competitive shooter. I do Cola, APC and 2 gun. I'm regularly right around the middle of the pack. Carry wise, I've always carried full sized pistols as pistols are already a compromise. I started carrying a 1911 from 21 until about 30- something but realized why not have over twice the capacity with a double stack. Then I shot some SAO double stacks (obviously loved them) and realized my entire life is a lie I need a full sized SAO pistol. I was looking for something like you're seeking - in the mid 1980's. The solution wasn't that good as double stack 45's in 1911s tend to be a bit rough. It was a lot of money and work but I recently took that same Para P14, converted to 45 super, accurized, plenty of metal work, file work, beavertail safety. When it was running accurate and perfect, I took it apart, cleaned it extensively and sent it to Ron Mahovsky. Electroless nickel base on the frame, then hard chrome over the top. Black titanium on the slide (not by Ron). The drop in trigger/commander hammer set was fully broken in before the electroless nickel (on the internal parts) and it works like a dream. Very clean. I know you're not looking to build. I don't know if there is some doublestack 1911 (or later) that's better finished out of the box or not. I've heard the RIAs can be kind of rough to begin with like my Para originally was. Also, it takes a big paw to tolerate a 1911 doublestack. It feels right to me but 2XL hands, so.. I then did quite a bit of custom work on a S&W 625 as a companion gun. But I digress, obviously. Maybe a custom from a trusted name? Just a thought. I've not ruled it out. I mean the RMR costs more than the G17 I carry lol |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:34:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BHP. Nothing wrong with anything made by Mr Browning. Regretfully I cannot afford an M2 at this moment either. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:35:26 PM EST
[#49]
Sig P226 X-five or X-six
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Posted: 4/18/2021 9:38:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like my Wilson Combat EDC X9, incredible pistol https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/108967/A2004259-C50D-45A6-894B-92FE5EA3274B_jpe-1910238.JPG Can you get an RMR on those? I have shot one a couple times with other guys guns, but I'd like to own and shoot my own. Everyone raves about them but I'm not there yet because I don't shoot them often. Basically I really want it all. RMR/double stack/SAO/accurate/daily carry/compete. I'm not rich but I'm not a poor. I'd like to save for it and do it right the first time. I can't buy three 2k-3k guns to see which I like better, but I'm happy to save for one. |
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