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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:35:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks Would donate some memberships to correct it  You've got 20 posts, kill this account and restart as Bunnysbuttstock. Holy shit! You see that fucking head come apart, man? |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:36:43 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How's the air conditioning? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Based on the Colorado zr2 huh... I wonder how much if anything is interchangeable https://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/0-15.jpg Exactly as the Request for Proposal demanded. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:37:28 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on the Colorado zr2 huh... I wonder how much if anything is interchangeable https://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/0-15.jpg how the hell are 9 soldiers fitting in that? |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:38:44 PM EDT
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I guess I get it. I get that it's meant to be more mobile, but as others have said so was the HIGH MOBILITY multipurpose wheeled vehicle (HMMWV) aka "Humvee" until they decided to try to make it something it wasn't and it predictably was a failure. I guess I'm skeptical because I know that some unit is going to get stuck with these and some higher echelon officer is going to decide that they're tanks and assign missions and additional armament accordingly.
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:40:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eventually, the other DRL will die  I've had to replace one side turn signal light, but except for the usual DRLs, I've not had any lights on my 2002 GMC 1500 go out since I bought it in 2008. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Doesnt look like a gm. Both headlights are working. It's the DRLs that only one works, both headlights work fine. Kharn Eventually, the other DRL will die I've had to replace one side turn signal light, but except for the usual DRLs, I've not had any lights on my 2002 GMC 1500 go out since I bought it in 2008. I turn the headlights on as soon as I start up my '02 2500. I haven't checked DRL functionality in years, I've given up on them. I think I've changed the headlights once in 15 years. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:44:08 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: how the hell are 9 soldiers fitting in that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Based on the Colorado zr2 huh... I wonder how much if anything is interchangeable https://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/0-15.jpg how the hell are 9 soldiers fitting in that? 2-3-2-2 seating. The rear four seats face sideways. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:44:15 PM EDT
[#7]
That would be a lot of fun around here. Rabbit blasting pro team.
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:44:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I get it. I get that it's meant to be more mobile, but then again like you said so was the HIGH MOBILITY multipurpose wheeled vehicle (HMMWV) aka "Humvee" until they decided to try to make it something it wasn't and it predictably was a failure. I guess I'm skeptical because I know that some unit is going to get stuck with these and some higher echelon officer is going to decide that they're tanks and assign missions and additional armament accordingly. The JLTV is going to be the default. These are for a handful of units, which will have JLTVs available. Drop in on an airfield or airlift a battalion South of Baghdad, these will be used on the ground. Need to move a company or the heavy mortars, here you go. Patrols in Afghanistan or move to contact, they will fall in JLTV. Any unit that is driving to combat will use the JLTV or something heavier. There are some missions that you just can't get armor light enough to do. For everything else we will use the JLTV. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:45:49 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GM is retarded FPNI |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:47:47 PM EDT
[#10]
Sure beats walking.... and being out in the suck, wearing all you gear, vs. sitting in this, with year gear strapped on, I'm sure plenty of Doughs rode on the back of a tank in the rain vs. walking.
I see the need. Would I want to rid in going thru Sadr City... I'm guessing not, or down a heavily IED laden MSR... again no. We have other vehicles for that... this is not what that is for. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:51:35 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another fuck you to the troops. I'd much rather have one of those Toyota trucks that were used in AFG. Fucking GM, LOL. It's a Chevy not a GM. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:53:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Humvee was a good platform for what it was originally envisioned a light tactical vehicle that was adaptable to multiple missions, a jeep replacement. What it was not great at was a gun truck or as a mortised infantry carrier. Those applications really require at least some level of armor. It was pressed into those roles because the units didn't have a better option. How people thought the unarmored trucks would fare well in a Peer fight I will never understand. 3 ID light scouts were quickly found wanting in the march and replaced with Brads. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:56:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 30k miles and 12k miles. Wow that is impressive. 
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Posted: 10/27/2020 9:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jeeps with 30 cals got schwacked really fast in WW2. Which is why they were usually used by MP and in road guard units . The greyhound and halftrack and other light ifvs did much better. Why they thought the desert would be different i have no idea  Attached File Attached FileCamionetta A.S.42 Sahariana reconnaissance car/desert raider. Though the wall of gas cans looks dubious, actually they had 11/16" armor all around and they could throw a very heavy punch. Capacious interior allowed for a 360 degree pedestal mounted 47mm AT gun or 20mm autocannon, plus several machine guns. The low profile made them sneaky. Italian A.S.42 squadrons claim a 5 to 1 kill ratio against the British, and the "desert rats" took care to avoid them. 47mm AT, 20mm Solothurn AT, and 20mm Breda dual use:  Attached File Attached File Attached File Sahariana w Tunezji1943 |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:08:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Italians got it right in 1942 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/s7LeY37_jpg-1654409.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/r9sZGyd_jpg-1654417.JPG Camionetta A.S.42 Sahariana reconnaissance car/desert raider. Though the wall of gas cans looks dubious, actually they had 11/16" armor all around and they could throw a very heavy punch. Capacious interior allowed for a 360 degree pedestal mounted 47mm AT gun or 20mm autocannon, plus several machine guns. The low profile made them sneaky. Italian A.S.42 squadrons claim a 5 to 1 kill ratio against the British, and the "desert rats" took care to avoid them. 47mm AT, 20mm Solothurn AT, and 20mm Breda dual use: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/AS42_10_jpg-1654410.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/AS42_02_jpg-1654411.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/AS42-6_jpg-1654412.JPG  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrsZVLiipgkthat thing is awesome man.. I've never seen or heard of that. thanks for sharing! |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:10:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All the chevies will be trashed and broken in 6 months and all the Soldiers will be back in Toyota's. Maybe the Military doesnt want a 100 acres of rusted out broken frames... Yes every Toyota dealer has a garbage rusted frame scrape pile with new frames waiting... |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:14:37 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still don't understand how people don't see the big picture for the need for the Light Infantry to get from A to B quickly. This lil truck ain't meant to be lived in nor do route clearance. It's to get shooters from infil to the objective with their kit, ammo, and commo. Keeps Joe fresh for actions on the objective versus humping in 100lbs of kit or getting inserted into a hot mess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks to be rather lacking in crew protection. Nice looking vehicle other than that little drawback  No shit thats what the JLTVs are for. There is a need for a mobility solution that can be airlifted or dropped. This isnt a cutv or hummer replacement. Still don't understand how people don't see the big picture for the need for the Light Infantry to get from A to B quickly. This lil truck ain't meant to be lived in nor do route clearance. It's to get shooters from infil to the objective with their kit, ammo, and commo. Keeps Joe fresh for actions on the objective versus humping in 100lbs of kit or getting inserted into a hot mess. I understand that but mission creep will put guys in those vehicles, into situations where it was not meant to be at some point. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:15:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks to be rather lacking in crew protection. Nice looking vehicle other than that little drawback I don't think these are for combat use. I bet they are envisioned for CONUS or the large logistics hubs overseas, as people movers so squads have some form of organic transportation for everyday tasks. The same units will probably have MRAPs or Strikers for going to work. Kind of like how a trucker has his big rig for work and drives a sedan when he is not on the road. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:15:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Outstanding truck platform, I'm on my 2nd ZR2. 1st one 30k miles, no problems, 2nd one 12k miles, no problems 2 trucks with a combined 42k miles is not an indication of performance or reliability |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:15:57 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another fuck you to the troops. I'd much rather have one of those Toyota trucks that were used in AFG. Fucking GM, LOL. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:16:51 PM EDT
[#21]
Ib4 they realise that the troops prefer doors with armor on them ?
Just a thought tho |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:19:36 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryImma go Chevy dealer and order me one... |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:19:59 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted: GM Defense, General Motors' latest foray as a military supplier, marked a milestone on Tuesday. The first of many new Infantry Squad Vehicles made their way to the US Army as part of a multimillion-dollar contract. The ISVs are particularly neat because they're actually based on the Chevrolet Colorado ZR2. While the ISV is a tough hauler, it actually shares 90% of its components with vehicles GM builds today. The vehicle even includes some race-proven Chevy Performance parts, thanks to research and development from the Colorado ZR2. While the ISV is meant to get the Army to places quickly, it's also a small, versatile thing. GM Defense said the 5,000-pound vehicle is light enough for loading into a UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter, but small enough to fit inside a CH-47 Chinook helicopter for quick transport. Agility is the name of the game with the new ISV. https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/chevy-colorado-zr2-infantry-vehicles-us-army/ it actually shares 90% of its components with vehicles GM builds today. so ... uhh ... yeah ... no thanks |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:23:47 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another fuck you to the troops. I'd much rather have one of those Toyota trucks that were used in AFG. Fucking GM, LOL. Hey don't dog on the Hi-lux, its a fucking tank. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:25:19 PM EDT
[#25]
That looks like a Jeep and a half.
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:26:07 PM EDT
[#26]
Why do people by tiny pickups?
That's gayer than two boys fucking, one felching, one filming. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:33:45 PM EDT
[#27]
It's a GM so it will be easily tracked by the enemy. They need only follow the trail of Dexcool.
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:34:57 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Outstanding truck platform, I'm on my 2nd ZR2. 1st one 30k miles, no problems, 2nd one 12k miles, no problems 42k trouble free miles in total? You should contact the folks at Guinness. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:35:35 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Outstanding truck platform, I'm on my 2nd ZR2. 1st one 30k miles, no problems, 2nd one 12k miles, no problems It is an outstanding platform when it turns 300,000 with minimal problems. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:35:36 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ib4 they realise that the troops prefer doors with armor on them ? Just a thought tho Jesus fuck, its like a bunch of people who are smart enough to read, but too lazy to do so. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:36:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the DRLs that only one works, both headlights work fine. Kharn  It's funny because the other day I saw two identical Chevy sedans going down I-64 one in front of the other and both of them had the DRL out on one side. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:40:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In before it's up armored? Isn't this essentially filling the niche that the old CUCV blazers and pickups did? |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:40:58 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They've only been out since the 2017 MY  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Outstanding truck platform, I'm on my 2nd ZR2. 1st one 30k miles, no problems, 2nd one 12k miles, no problems 30k miles and 12k miles. Wow that is impressive. They've only been out since the 2017 MY I sold off a 2003 Ranger with 340k miles on it a few years ago. Other than regular maintenance the only thing I ever had to do to it was an alternator at 200,000 or so. But 30k miles tho. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:49:23 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this essentially filling the niche that the old CUCV blazers and pickups did? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In before it's up armored? Isn't this essentially filling the niche that the old CUCV blazers and pickups did? It's just meant to be a light fast mover to shuttle troops around who would otherwise be humping. Similar to the sand rail thingy spec ops had for a while which the name of eludes me at the moment. There's a lot of reasons to shit on this thing (mostly because it's a Generally Miserable product) but lack of armor isn't one of them. That's not the point of this thing at all. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:53:47 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's just meant to be a light fast mover to shuttle troops around who would otherwise be humping. Similar to the sand rail thingy spec ops had for a while which the name of eludes me at the moment. There's a lot of reasons to shit on this thing (mostly because it's a Generally Miserable product) but lack of armor isn't one of them. That's not the point of this thing at all. I dunno. I kinda like my 1009, warts and all. Even if it is a GM product.It was cheap, it's pretty good off-road, it was cheap, I can work on it, it was cheap, parts are very available still,... and it was cheap. Did I mention that it was cheap? |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:55:17 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My 2014 Silverado hasn't had a single bulb burn out or replaced yet even with the Mexican wiring. Same with my 2015vSilverado. But, haters gotta find something to bitch about. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 10:59:23 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this essentially filling the niche that the old CUCV blazers and pickups did? |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:01:25 PM EDT
[#38]
GMC. General mess o' crap. They'll be used for tank target practice after they fall apart.
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:07:10 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think these are for combat use. I bet they are envisioned for CONUS or the large logistics hubs overseas, as people movers so squads have some form of organic transportation for everyday tasks. The same units will probably have MRAPs or Strikers for going to work. Kind of like how a trucker has his big rig for work and drives a sedan when he is not on the road. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks to be rather lacking in crew protection. Nice looking vehicle other than that little drawback I don't think these are for combat use. I bet they are envisioned for CONUS or the large logistics hubs overseas, as people movers so squads have some form of organic transportation for everyday tasks. The same units will probably have MRAPs or Strikers for going to work. Kind of like how a trucker has his big rig for work and drives a sedan when he is not on the road. They're very much for combat use. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:10:50 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same with my 2015vSilverado. But, haters gotta find something to bitch about. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My 2014 Silverado hasn't had a single bulb burn out or replaced yet even with the Mexican wiring. Same with my 2015vSilverado. But, haters gotta find something to bitch about. It was a GMT800 series problem ('00-'07?), something about how the wiring harness was designed for the DRLs that caused the two bulbs together to significantly reduce the life of the bulbs, but once one bulb burned out, the other bulb would last forever. You could clip the two sockets off the harness and crimp on replacement sockets with a bit of circuitry in them to fix the issue (voltage regulators?) but no one ever bothers to do that. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:12:02 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GM is retarded if they don’t turn that into a Jeep/Bronco killer. Been out for years, nothing of the sort except offers a diesel. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:14:33 PM EDT
[#42]
Looks cold.
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:24:36 PM EDT
[#43]
Maybe it has the same shitty inline Vortec. Or the front brake rotors that are bolted to the back of the wheel hub. Ah fuck it, it’s only tax money.
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:26:02 PM EDT
[#44]
I think the DNA for this new vehicle is good to go. I have a purpose purchased 2016 GMC Canyon (Chevy Colorado) and have really come to appreciate it and what it can do. With the new combat ready variant I have zero problem believing that it can manage 6-7 men and gear in some pretty tough situations. My truck is stock 4x4, small motored, and we have little trouble in Colorado and other spots getting up and over any mountain pass we've ever tried. Our truck won't do what a nitrous motored Jeep with $40K in suspension upgrades but it will get you close enough.
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:29:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Italians got it right in 1942 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/s7LeY37_jpg-1654409.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/r9sZGyd_jpg-1654417.JPG Camionetta A.S.42 Sahariana reconnaissance car/desert raider. Though the wall of gas cans looks dubious, actually they had 11/16" armor all around and they could throw a very heavy punch. Capacious interior allowed for a 360 degree pedestal mounted 47mm AT gun or 20mm autocannon, plus several machine guns. The low profile made them sneaky. Italian A.S.42 squadrons claim a 5 to 1 kill ratio against the British, and the "desert rats" took care to avoid them. 47mm AT, 20mm Solothurn AT, and 20mm Breda dual use: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/AS42_10_jpg-1654410.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/AS42_02_jpg-1654411.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/AS42-6_jpg-1654412.JPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrsZVLiipgkDamn, rest easy to that presumed Allied soldier at 02:23  . War is hell.
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:32:32 PM EDT
[#46]
So how well will it work with 4000+# of GI welded on up armor????
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:37:10 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think these are for combat use. I bet they are envisioned for CONUS or the large logistics hubs overseas, as people movers so squads have some form of organic transportation for everyday tasks. The same units will probably have MRAPs or Strikers for going to work. Kind of like how a trucker has his big rig for work and drives a sedan when he is not on the road. I guess what I'm thinking is that it'll see some mission creep and eventually be pressed into service as a GP vehicle. I was only in for a short time and only in one MOS so I don't know how the whole Army works but as a former MP the idea of a team being assigned multiple vehicles or a squad having it's own vehicle above and beyond the team's vehicles seems unlikely. Then again I'm sure it happens in some units. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:37:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Outstanding truck platform, I'm on my 2nd ZR2. 1st one 30k miles, no problems, 2nd one 12k miles, no problems |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:39:25 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Outstanding truck platform, I'm on my 2nd ZR2. 1st one 30k miles, no problems, 2nd one 12k miles, no problems Shit's barely broke in and you're crowing about no problems. 
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:39:28 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus fuck, its like a bunch of people who are smart enough to read, but too lazy to do so. |
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