Update odds on who will rule at the end of S8.

Jon Snow +180

Sansa Stark +225

Daenarys Targaryen +475

Gendry +500

Tyrion Lannister +500

Bran Stark +600

Arya Stark +800

Cersei Lannister +1000

Samwell Tarly +1200

Jamie Lannister +4000

Davos Seaworth +6000

Granted it's been awhile but wasn't the white walker Sam killed one of the NK's Lts or NCOs or whatever the fuck they were

*Maisie's tits are a lot nicer that Lena's.

*Current legal age Maisie, not little girl Maisie, ya pervs.

That was the last scene in S2. If the dead didn't make multiple attempts on his life last episode I'd say "maybe," but they did.

Though with Dumb and Dumber calling the shots it's still probably a "maybe."

Yeah, it was actually pretty slick. She used it as a bo staff or spear, and the spear thingy came off for close quarters stabnation.

My dreams don't include Hodor's massive schlong flopping around . . .

My take on this entire battle episode was despair, hopelessness, eventually panic and chaos.  From the very beginning of the episode everything was dark and hopeless.  There wasn't even the typical bullshit rousing the troops speech that begins so many epic battle scene in film.  The writers wanted to portray the feeling of hopelessness the characters had.

Really the only hopeful moment was when Melisandre performed her magic trick of lighting the dothraki swords on fire, and even that was fleeting and kind of subdued.  The charge felt wrong the minute it began, and it was quickly dispatched.

Watching her Dothraki get decimated so fast, set Daenerys off their primary plan, which was for her and Jon to wait for the Night King to show up and for them to use their two dragons against him and his one dragon.  That plan quickly fell apart, as so many military plans do in real life.

After that, they gave one weak attempt to stand and then everything became a tactical retreat. I'll say it one more time, people may not like the way it was written, but in this story the characters felt they had a zero chance of militarily defeating the Night Kings army.  Their biggest fear was that he would hang back and let his army destroy them.  That they'd never get a shot at killing him.  Their entire military strategy was a delaying tactic from the beginning.   The only hope they had was to kill the Night King.

Once the tactical retreat started things really went to shit fast.  Their sense of hopelessness increased quickly. The Defense of the walls was less than great. I can only assume they didn't realize how fast the dead would breach the fire ditch, and mass on the wall. They thought they'd have more time.  By the time the dead where doing the World War Z wall climb...hopelessness turned into total panic.



After panic level was reached it became a total chaotic mess.  There were no plans beyond this point, only individual effort to stay alive, and hope beyond hope the Night King would be killed. I guess Theons defense was the last really organized movement.

This battle and episode had a very dark, depressing, hopeless feel throughout it.  And that's what the writers and directors were going for.

If you type something three times, as you've done, it's true. Everyone knows that.

But don't you worry about the the three times a charm rule, because I'll personally never grow tired of your brilliance. You can type it forever. I'll tell you what. I think you really gained a lot of meaningful status in this thread. All your efforts have paid off.

you've utterly internet defeated me. i'm so ashamed.

I totally see that now. The first 4 seasons were totally history and fantasy, totally. All the names and metaphors changed after those first 4 historic seasons. How could I have been so foolish?

Please type it one more time, just for my pleasure.

Give me bran

But what happens if it’s becomes a small counsel that rules instead of a king everyone loses?

Vegas wins

Will have to rewatch those battle scenes again this time in a dark room to see if that makes seeing those dark scenes easier. There is probably a lot more I missed in those dark battle scenes.

Help me understand, if the plan was to draw the NK into the godswood, why in the hell would you leave springing the trap to Theon of all people?? Seriously. W.T.F.

Not at all.
She just happened to kill him. It could have been any of a dozen other characters. Just don’t make it too predictive with it being Jon Snow or Danareys or Bran.
Hell they should have let Podrick do it. That would have come out of left field.

I would expect so, yeah.

If there was a "field" bet (taking every outcome not listed) I think that'd be the way to go value-wise provided the odds were good.

I went back and watched the whole thing again on a LCD backlit monitor, 'cause I couldnt see shit on OLED. Made a huge difference.

That's what I was talking about though.  The people claiming it "had to be" Ayra to kill the Night King.

Where there odds on who was going to kill the NK. I’m just curious how bad they missed all the “foreshadowing”.

Not that I saw.

Here are the odds on Cersei though:

Arya Stark +150

Jaime Lannister +175

Cersei (Suicide) +600

Cersei Lives +600

Tyrion Lannister +600

Daenerys Targaryen +1000

Sansa Stark +1000

Brienne +1200

The Hound +1500

Jon Snow +2000

Euron Greyjoy +2500

Bronn +3000

The Mountain +3000

Theon wasn't the trap, and it wasn't up to him to spring it.  Two dragons vs one was the trap, and it was to be sprung by seeing the night king approach the godswood.  By the time that happened, they had discovered that the dragons were not the weapon that they had hoped, for multiple reasons (one being that he turned out to be immune to dragon fire, and the other that they no longer had those dragons at the ready).

Mike

Tyrion at 6/1 odds seems like good value to me.

Wouldn't surprise me. Arya is the fan favorite and D&D are all about fan service.

Season 7 episode 4 was nothing but fan service. A huge battle with a dragon, Dothraki, etc. that had absolutely zero effect whatsoever on the plot.

Until the results of his blood tests come back from leeches.com . . .

Gotcha, he was never supposed to get that far.

She was using it on the wall like a staff and briefly took it apart and used it like escrima sticks.
That’s all I saw.
Somewhat of a disappointment after the buildup of what it might be. But pretty cool nonetheless.

May they live happily ever after in real life.

night king = snoke

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I bet that sounds reasonable and mature in your head. Not so much when I read it.

Some of y'all need to step away from the key board.
It's just a fucking TV show guys.

See, I really liked season 7 and all the chess moves. 7/4 was one of my favorite episodes. It was inevitable when all these characters who were apart for so many years came together there'd be great fan service moments like the Lannister army getting its shit pushed in by Drogon and Arya surprising the hell out of people with her skills, just have to enjoy it.

Jon to kill Cersei seems like good value. It's more likely to be Jaime IMO but there's a good chance Jon swings the sword if she ends up in chains.

I'd like to see everyone debating whether they should execute a pregnant woman, while she's all defiant and smug in chains, and Ghost just walks over and ends her, or lifts his leg on her, either way.

Gods I love to hate Cersei.

Tyrion dies next week. Bronn is in route.

What makes you think she is pregnant?

She could be full of shit.

Bran.

She could, but I doubt she'd lie to Jaime about being pregnant with his kid.

Plus she's worried about Euron finding out.

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It's just copy and paste at this point, sport.

I'm going to go ahead and state that Martin has no clue what he is talking about regarding this show. As someone who marathoned the entire series leading up to the premier, Dany was never burned. There is precedent that she is, in the show at least, indeed fireproof. She holds scalding eggs with no burns, believes this gives her fireproof capability and uses that twice more to either kill her enemies or bolster her position.

Martin is a fucking retard, and I'm shocked his books ever garnered attention. He writes porn for dudes like 50 shades of grey was for women. That's the only reason HBO picked this shit up, and most people watch it for a combination of reasons, hot naked women probably being number 1.

I'm not saying he is without some talent, but like JKR, he is a product of Tolkien's legacy and "her pussy was wet".

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I didn't make this, but I'd drink with the guy who did

All that cat chasing . . .

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Bullshit. I guaran fucking tee you that if Arya had saved Jon you would be missing and moaning even more about how he had to be saved by a little girl because wamenz!!!

I would owe so much child support

Roger that, champ.  

I wouldn't even last 30 seconds.

As the cutthroat receives the blade and whispered orders.

Kharn

4 / 3 / 2 / 1

Lol. Well I guess we know why YOU watch.