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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:36:40 PM EDT
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That ain’t Sansa is it???? Quote HistoryQuoted:
That ain’t Sansa is it???? 
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:38:02 PM EDT
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So you'd be cool with a cliché and predictable prophecy fulfillment outcome like that but what did happen was a bridge too far? How would Jon Snow getting into a 1v1 with the Nightking and winning be any less of Deus ex Machina than what happened? Arya killing the Nightking is the Red Wedding of plot devices to y'alls hopes for what should have been but wasn't. The Nightking should have steamrolled everybody, everything else is bad writing. Change my mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also not if he stabbed through Dany to do it. You get your Nissa Nissa and you get rid of awful Dany. How would Jon Snow getting into a 1v1 with the Nightking and winning be any less of Deus ex Machina than what happened? Arya killing the Nightking is the Red Wedding of plot devices to y'alls hopes for what should have been but wasn't. The Nightking should have steamrolled everybody, everything else is bad writing. Change my mind. If Jon was never going to do it, it would have been better if he had never lived. He ended up giving the dragon to the Night's King, killing thousands in the North, got murdered AND resurrected, for something he ultimately played an indirect role in. It doesn't hold up. Even the prophecy surrounding his birth led to a full-scale bloody rebellion. The only consistency is that D&D have subverted Jon's wins from the beginning: he beats Karl Tanner AFTER one of Craster's wives stabs him, He is saved at the BOTB by Sansa, Arya saves his failure here, Ygritte saves him when he is captured in the north, Dany saves him from the Night's King, Benjen saves him from the wights, it has been one long chain of compromising and subverting his role as a hero. That only works if there is eventual payoff. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:38:22 PM EDT
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That would have been great. NK looks down in disbelief as the wound starts to chill and ice spreads over the dagger, then Jon rams longclaw into the same wound, the whole glade starts to ice over like someone opened an industrial-scale deep freeze unit. The wights begin to keel over, NK falls to his knees, and instead of shattering, turns into an ice sculpture with two blades embedded in it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would have been better if Jon cut down old blue flames, ran in and dove in front of the Night Kings killing blow with Long Claw, fights NK pitifully holding onto hope and just at the moment when you know NK is going to run Jon through, Click To View Spoiler Would've been so much better. Daeneys, Jon, and Sansa better use their regal authority to wash Ser Jorah's slate clean forever. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:41:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you guys keep yammering about “oh sooooo predictable, that would suck”. Unpredictability for the sake of unpredictability isn’t what makes for good entertainment. If it did TLJ wouldn’t suck, M. Night Shamalan would be the greatest director in film history, biopics wouldn’t exist, movies based on true stories wouldn’t be made, and Marvel movies would have stopped 8 years ago. Proper execution through good acting, cinematography, sound/music, and telling the story well make for good entertainment. Not every event in GOT has been an “OMG shocking twist” moment. You can build up to an event and then make it happen. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:42:37 PM EDT
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Why do you guys keep yammering about “oh sooooo predictable, that would suck”. Unpredictability for the sake of unpredictability isn’t what makes for good entertainment. If it did TLJ wouldn’t suck, M. Night Shamalan would be the greatest director in film history, biopics wouldn’t exist, movies based on true stories wouldn’t be made, and Marvel movies would have stopped 8 years ago. Proper execution through good acting, cinematography, sound/music, and telling the story well make for good entertainment. Not every event in GOT has been an “OMG shocking twist” moment. You can build up to an event and then make it happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So you'd be cool with a cliché and predictable prophecy fulfillment outcome like that but what did happen was a bridge too far? How would Jon Snow getting into a 1v1 with the Nightking and winning be any less of Deus ex Machina than what happened? Arya killing the Nightking is the Red Wedding of plot devices to y'alls hopes for what should have been but wasn't. The Nightking should have steamrolled everybody, everything else is bad writing. Change my mind. Unpredictability for the sake of unpredictability isn’t what makes for good entertainment. If it did TLJ wouldn’t suck, M. Night Shamalan would be the greatest director in film history, biopics wouldn’t exist, movies based on true stories wouldn’t be made, and Marvel movies would have stopped 8 years ago. Proper execution through good acting, cinematography, sound/music, and telling the story well make for good entertainment. Not every event in GOT has been an “OMG shocking twist” moment. You can build up to an event and then make it happen. 
It's like if someone is going to release some information that will damage the good guy main character and the writers can't figure out how to prevent that character from releasing it without the good guy main character doing something bad so they just have the person get randomly run over and killed by a truck. "OMGZ! THAT WAS SO UNEXPECTED! WHAT GREAT WRITING!" 
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:45:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arya left Melisandre before the Night King was knocked off his dragon, and raised the second wave of the undead. They're was a ebb in their numbers, dead undead were everywhere. You can see them all over the area outside of Winterfell, in the room Melisandre set Arya off in, and throughout the castle. There were plenty of dead undead faces Arya could have used, or she could have just used her skills to get into position before the Night King even entered Winterfell and remained unseen until it came time to act, which is what she trained to do as an assassin. Earlier in the episode we saw her evading and maneuvering through, around, and even over mobs of undead. So yes, I think it was very plausible for her to get into position. I also think it helped that she started her maneuver when there were the least number of undead still moving. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:46:14 PM EDT
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https://media.giphy.com/media/rYCbb0KkIT0Nq/giphy.gif It's like if someone is going to release some information that will damage the good guy main character and the writers can't figure out how to prevent that character from releasing it without the good guy main character doing something bad so they just have the person get randomly run over and killed by a truck. "OMGZ! THAT WAS SO UNEXPECTED! WHAT GREAT WRITING!" |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would have been better if Jon cut down old blue flames, ran in and dove in front of the Night Kings killing blow with Long Claw, fights NK pitifully holding onto hope and just at the moment when you know NK is going to run Jon through, Click To View Spoiler Would've been so much better. Thing is, if Jon was 1v1ing the NK then we wouldn't have gotten the "We're fucked" sequence they wanted. They really wanted everyone to lose hope, stare the death of everything in the face, and just barely live to see the dawn. After watching it again I realize they worked really hard to kindle hope and then dash it repeatedly, and that's really what the whole episode was about. The most heroic thing they could do, is not collapse into a puddle of their own making. Every single character found a way to keep fighting despite knowing it was hopeless. Theon is obvious, Jon screaming at the dragon, Sandor saving Arya, Arya herself losing her confidence after she got her bell rung and then finding it, Grey Worm losing his shit after he pulled the rope on his army and finding a way, even Sansa and Tyrion deciding to fight in the crypt after the terror of waiting and hearing the battle reach the door. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:50:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:58:11 PM EDT
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Arya left Melisandre before the Night King was knocked off his dragon, and raised the second wave of the undead. They're was a ebb in their numbers, dead undead were everywhere. You can see them all over the area outside of Winterfell, in the room Melisandre set Arya off in, and throughout the castle. There were plenty of dead undead faces Arya could have used, or she could have just used her skills to get into position before the Night King even entered Winterfell and remained unseen until it came time to act, which is what she trained to do as an assassin. Earlier in the episode we saw her evading and maneuvering through, around, and even over mobs of undead. So yes, I think it was very plausible for her to get into position. I also think it helped that she started her maneuver when there were the least number of undead still moving. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You somehow missed that she evaded an entire army of soldiers in an open field without being noticed. Was she wearing Frodo’s cloak of invisibility? Earlier in the episode we saw her evading and maneuvering through, around, and even over mobs of undead. So yes, I think it was very plausible for her to get into position. I also think it helped that she started her maneuver when there were the least number of undead still moving. White Walkers, while great in face to face combat, did seem susceptible to sneak attack. Sam Tarly actually got one with a dagger in the back. Tarly Not exactly sneaky. IMHO the Night King's NCOs are a step behind the Night King. With the NK concentrating on finally, after 10,000 years, killing the 3ER? Surrounded him, all hero characters mostly accounted for (the ones he saw anyway), Dragon guarding the entrance. WWs and wights everywhere. IMHO NK was probably relaxed. She snuck up on the NK, BUT he did turn around, caught her. In the NKs mind, no human has been a real threat to him. Too strong, fire proof, he can end it at any time. (Hence why some in the audience felt the significance of a special champion, born of two great houses at great cost to humanity, with a legendary sword, would have been needed to win in a nail-biter). The sneak attack was unexpected. It's a little stretch how she did it, but not enough in MY opinion anyway to get me to throw the flag. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:58:13 PM EDT
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That's all fine and dandy, but she'd better die quick. I swear if this show has a typical fairy tale ending where everyone lives happily ever after, I won't ever watch it again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been on team Arya since that move at the Twins. I think her and The Hound are the best Characters on the show. They will be kicking ass tother in the final battle (from leaked shots) |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 2:59:28 PM EDT
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Honestly, I am amazed that sooooo many main characters survived. I was expecting a 50% kill off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been on team Arya since that move at the Twins. I think her and The Hound are the best Characters on the show. They will be kicking ass tother in the final battle (from leaked shots) Into fan service stuff. Don't be surprised if there's a happy ending. But hey there's still more show to go. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:02:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only if you think the short little imp had world class Olympic runner speed and squint real hard in the dark does it make sense. With that said, Arya was presented as being fast and agile, and demonstrated some fairly impressive physical performances throughout the series. Including some I don't think an Olympic runner could accomplish. The normal level of suspension of disbelief used to watch and enjoy GOT was more than enough for me to believe the character Arya could have accomplish killing the Night King the way she did. I can find no problem with it at all. There are a number of ways it could have happened. None of which exceed Arya's level of skill, evidenced from previous episodes. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:09:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arya left Melisandre before the Night King was knocked off his dragon, and raised the second wave of the undead. They're was a ebb in their numbers, dead undead were everywhere. You can see them all over the area outside of Winterfell, in the room Melisandre set Arya off in, and throughout the castle. There were plenty of dead undead faces Arya could have used, or she could have just used her skills to get into position before the Night King even entered Winterfell and remained unseen until it came time to act, which is what she trained to do as an assassin. Earlier in the episode we saw her evading and maneuvering through, around, and even over mobs of undead. So yes, I think it was very plausible for her to get into position. I also think it helped that she started her maneuver when there were the least number of undead still moving. 
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:10:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So when all hope is lost and the army of dead is on the verge of complete destruction on Winterfell..... It’s suddenly stopped by a girl flying through air to make the kill..... Nope, not even close to DeusExMachina..... A Deus ex Machina (pron: /di??s ?ks mæk?n?/ for Britons, /de?u?s ?ks m??k?n?/ for Americans; /deus eks ma?k?ina?/ in the orginal Latin) is when some new event, character, ability, or object solves a seemingly unsolvable problem in a sudden, unexpected way. Deity, all knowing, deus. Not a character within the story. Dang dude. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:10:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, its not close. Its the exact definition. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:13:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. Zip lines..... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/244342/deus_ex_arya_jpg-930726.JPG |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:15:39 PM EDT
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No, not really. It wasn't that exceptional a jump. She did it from ground level. She might have used one the many iron baskets that were around the tree, or perhaps a pile of dead bodies to get a little extra height, but we never saw her more than a couple of feet off the ground. In the scene there is the appearance of arc to her trajectory. With that said, Arya was presented as being fast and agile, and demonstrated some fairly impressive physical performances throughout the series. Including some I don't think an Olympic runner could accomplish. The normal level of suspension of disbelief used to watch and enjoy GOT was more than enough for me to believe the character Arya could have accomplish killing the Night King the way she did. I can find no problem with it at all. There are a number of ways it could have happened. None of which exceed Arya's level of skill, evidenced from previous episodes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Only if you think the short little imp had world class Olympic runner speed and squint real hard in the dark does it make sense. With that said, Arya was presented as being fast and agile, and demonstrated some fairly impressive physical performances throughout the series. Including some I don't think an Olympic runner could accomplish. The normal level of suspension of disbelief used to watch and enjoy GOT was more than enough for me to believe the character Arya could have accomplish killing the Night King the way she did. I can find no problem with it at all. There are a number of ways it could have happened. None of which exceed Arya's level of skill, evidenced from previous episodes.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:17:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, not really. It wasn't that exceptional a jump. She did it from ground level. She might have used one the many iron baskets that were around the tree, or perhaps a pile of dead bodies to get a little extra height, but we never saw her more than a couple of feet off the ground. In the scene there is the appearance of arc to her trajectory. With that said, Arya was presented as being fast and agile, and demonstrated some fairly impressive physical performances throughout the series. Including some I don't think an Olympic runner could accomplish. The normal level of suspension of disbelief used to watch and enjoy GOT was more than enough for me to believe the character Arya could have accomplish killing the Night King the way she did. I can find no problem with it at all. There are a number of ways it could have happened. None of which exceed Arya's level of skill, evidenced from previous episodes. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:19:54 PM EDT
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Try again as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yep, its not close. Its the exact definition. 
It pleases me. 
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:22:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. Zip lines..... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/244342/deus_ex_arya_jpg-930726.JPG Here's the video all that work produced. 
I'm always amazed at what filmmakers can accomplish. I'm sure we can find all sorts of behind the scene pictures of zip lines, tracks, hoists, padding, and green screen shots to shoot the scenes of GOT ... wouldn't you agree? |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:24:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only if you believe in magical speed. Apply any real world logic and it fails. Agile/skill does not equal world class speed. No evidence of that. Her short stature and body type says no way. Prove me wrong. I have no issue with what happened and who did what but the way it was done with lazy and sloppy writing sucks. To many wtf moments. You basically have to have a large imagination to believe the way some things happen like speed traveling vast distances. A) Large, fire spitting lizards roasting zombies from the sky B) A 5' girl, trained by a mysterious and mythical order of ninja-like assassins, jumping like Lebron James |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:26:49 PM EDT
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Just found out they used computer generated dragons instead of the real thing. So fucking pissed right now. Literally shaking.
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell, she is tiny. They needed her that high just to get the camera shot.
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:31:07 PM EDT
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Unfortunately I think the ending of this episode is the start of really bad writing similar to the north of the wall stuff from last season. I predict most character story lines will be wrapped up in a incongruent manner with them doing things that are out of their normal character. We will prolly see a couple really bad twists too.
But I hope not. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:31:28 PM EDT
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She did evade wights in the library White Walkers, while great in face to face combat, did seem susceptible to sneak attack. Sam Tarly actually got one with a dagger in the back. Tarly Not exactly sneaky. Nothing sneaky about it other than the dragonglass. [youtube]ps5iGu7-b4E?t=354[/youtube] So yeah, they are exceptionally arrogant creatures who believe themselves above humans reach...ooops! |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:31:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which takes a larger imagination: A) Large, fire spitting lizards roasting zombies from the sky B) A 5' girl, trained by a mysterious and mythical order of ninja-like assassins, jumping like Lebron James I hate lazy writing... |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:33:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, the actress Maisie Williams needed zip lines and harnesses, with CGI thrown in, to play Arya Stark in that scene. I feel sure there many others instances like this used to get the image the directors where looking for. I never said I thought Maisie Williams was capable of doing what Arya did, but I doubt many of the actors really could do what their characters accomplished. Here's the video all that work produced. https://thecrazywatchers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/anigif_sub-buzz-6273-1556511276-1.gif I'm always amazed at what filmmakers can accomplish. I'm sure we can find all sorts of behind the scene pictures of zip lines, tracks, hoists, padding, and green screen shots to shoot the scenes of GOT ... wouldn't you agree? My issue is that all the human character’s abilities are normal abilities. The only super power we’ve seen any of them have is resistance to fire and ability to disguise themselves. Until the battle against the night king..... suddenly we have flying people. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:34:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which takes a larger imagination: A) Large, fire spitting lizards roasting zombies from the sky B) A 5' girl, trained by a mysterious and mythical order of ninja-like assassins, flying like Superman. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:36:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only if you believe in magical speed. Apply any real world logic and it fails. Agile/skill does not equal world class speed. No evidence of that. Her short stature and body type says no way. Prove me wrong. I have no issue with what happened and who did what but the way it was done with lazy and sloppy writing sucks. To many wtf moments. You basically have to have a large imagination to believe the way some things happen like speed traveling vast distances. The normal level of suspension of disbelief that I use to watch, and enjoy, Game of Thrones was more than enough for me to accept what happened in the episode. It wasn't for you. You didn't like. We're arguing about our subjective opinion of a fictional work. There is nothing more I can say. Because we're talking about an imaginary world, filled with magic and make believe. It's not the real world, objective reality simply doesn't apply. Nothing in the series could really happen, it's an imaginary fantasy. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:36:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Night King and Snoke are the same character now. No motivation, no explanation, just a bad guy that was bad because bad then died from a silly trick. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:38:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:39:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's all fine and dandy, but she'd better die quick. I swear if this show has a typical fairy tale ending where everyone lives happily ever after, I won't ever watch it again. Or season 3 when Robb Stark Died |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, she is tiny. They needed her that high just to get the camera shot.
In the scene, it looked right. In its making it looked weird and contrived. The final product is what counts. You can even see the arc to her jump. It appears she is no more than maybe couple of feet off the ground. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:42:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We're at an impasse. The normal level of suspension of disbelief that I use to watch, and enjoy, Game of Thrones was more than enough for me to accept what happened in the episode. It wasn't for you. You didn't like. We're arguing about our subjective opinion of a fictional work. There is nothing more I can say. Because we're talking about an imaginary world, filled with magic and make believe. It's not the real world, objective reality simply doesn't apply. Nothing in the series could really happen, it's an imaginary fantasy.
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:43:10 PM EDT
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1 is satisfied, but every plot element has that. 2 is satisfied because she suddenly appeared in mid-air, in the open, surrounded by enemy soldiers 3 is satisfied because all appeared lost until Arya magically flying in. 4 is satisfied because Arya spent the entire series training so she could cross name off her list. She knew nothing of the army of the dead until arrived in winterfell. She’s never battled them, hell shes never seen them until this episode. Her plot line could have never happened and series would still have gotten here. She was of zero importance to it. If it fails one point it is not Deus ex machina. It satisfied all the points. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: from the link: Note that there are a number of requirements for a sudden plot development to be a Deus ex Machina:
1 Deus ex Machina are solutions to a problem. They are never unexpected developments that make things worse, nor sudden twists that only change the understanding of a story. 2 Deus ex Machina are sudden or unexpected. This means that even if they are featured, referenced or set-up earlier in the story, they do not change the course of nor appear as a natural or a viable solution to the plotline they eventually "solve". 3 Deus ex Machina are used to resolve a situation portrayed as unsolvable or hopeless. If the problem could be solved with a bit of common sense or other type of simple intervention, the solution is not a Deus ex Machina no matter how unexpected it may seem. 4 Deus ex Machina are external to the characters and their choices throughout the story. The solution comes from a character with small or non-existent influence on the plot until that point or random chance from nature or karma. 2 is satisfied because she suddenly appeared in mid-air, in the open, surrounded by enemy soldiers 3 is satisfied because all appeared lost until Arya magically flying in. 4 is satisfied because Arya spent the entire series training so she could cross name off her list. She knew nothing of the army of the dead until arrived in winterfell. She’s never battled them, hell shes never seen them until this episode. Her plot line could have never happened and series would still have gotten here. She was of zero importance to it. If it fails one point it is not Deus ex machina. It satisfied all the points. 3 The plan all along was to kill the NK as the battle against the army of the dead was hopeless to begin with. It wasn't the original plan but its an obvious solution to send an assassin in to kill the enemy leader. 4 The same argument could be made about Dany and the dragons fighting the dead. Her motivation was to take the Iron Throne not fight the dead. Its irrelevant, motivations change. Arya wanted to finish her list (even though a lot of them died or she changed her mind about some people) but then in S7 she realized protecting her family was more important. Her whole story arc was set in motion by Jon Snow giving her needle in S1. Arya was there because of the choices of many characters and it was well set up. If Arya didn't return to Winterfell in S7 but just happened to show up at this battle it would be different. I get that everyone is upset that prophesy didn't get fulfilled the way they wanted it to. The show is full of people trying to force prophesy into their situation and it didn't work out. Jon Snow was able to organize and command the army that would defend against the dead. He started training and set in motion the events that would lead Arya to be the one to deal the fatal blow to the NK. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:44:17 PM EDT
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Just found out they used computer generated dragons instead of the real thing. So fucking pissed right now. Literally shaking. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:44:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed. 
Superman flies through 2500 ft skyscrapers in Metropolis, Arya has like a 3 foot vertical and the long jump of an olympic athlete. Totally the same. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 3:54:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 has been explained repeatedly in this thread. Arya did not appear in mid-air, she ran and jumped at the NK. The enemy wights and WW were ordered by the NK to stand down and do nothing so it was easier to get past them. It was the perfect moment to strike. It was completely foreshadowed and well setup. 3 The plan all along was to kill the NK as the battle against the army of the dead was hopeless to begin with. It wasn't the original plan but its an obvious solution to send an assassin in to kill the enemy leader. 4 The same argument could be made about Dany and the dragons fighting the dead. Her motivation was to take the Iron Throne not fight the dead. Its irrelevant, motivations change. Arya wanted to finish her list (even though a lot of them died or she changed her mind about some people) but then in S7 she realized protecting her family was more important. Her whole story arc was set in motion by Jon Snow giving her needle in S1. Arya was there because of the choices of many characters and it was well set up. If Arya didn't return to Winterfell in S7 but just happened to show up at this battle it would be different. I get that everyone is upset that prophesy didn't get fulfilled the way they wanted it to. The show is full of people trying to force prophesy into their situation and it didn't work out. Jon Snow was able to organize and command the army that would defend against the dead. He started training and set in motion the events that would lead Arya to be the one to deal the fatal blow to the NK. But instead we get flying assassins. We should have seen that coming all along. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:02:09 PM EDT
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Unfortunately I think the ending of this episode is the start of really bad writing similar to the north of the wall stuff from last season. I predict most character story lines will be wrapped up in a incongruent manner with them doing things that are out of their normal character. We will prolly see a couple really bad twists too. But I hope not. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:02:34 PM EDT
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Superman flies through 2500 ft skyscrapers in Metropolis, Arya has like a 3 foot vertical and the long jump of an olympic athlete. Totally the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Superman flies through 2500 ft skyscrapers in Metropolis, Arya has like a 3 foot vertical and the long jump of an olympic athlete. Totally the same. Hamiltbl2, and a few others look at Arya's jump and say fuckitall, there is no way that could happen! Then there are others, myself included, that are seeing undead killing people, dragons flying around, fantastic fighting, superhuman displays of physicality, burning swords, immortal ice ghouls raising the dead, witches, giants, all kinds of magic, and we're are asking ... you have a problem with this?
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:02:47 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I see that you and your trailer survived the tornadoes!
It pleases me.
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:07:48 PM EDT
[#43]
Arya's relationship with death.
From reddit, written out better than I could. https://old.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bj3lmu/spoilers_there_is_only_one_god_and_his_name_is/ So I've been thinking a lot about why Arya was the one to kill the Night King. As many people have pointed out, the Night King has always been Jon's storyline - not Arya's. So what is Arya's storyline exactly? To be blunt: death.
? season one: "There is only one god and his name is Death, and there is only one thing we say to Death: not today." Click To View Spoiler ? season two: Jaqen H'ghar, a servant of the Many-Faced God (AKA: Death), informs Arya that a debt is owed: three deaths, for the three lives she saved. Click To View Spoiler ? season three: Arya meets the Brotherhood Without Banners and sees the power of The Lord of Light, who is capable of resurrection. Click To View Spoiler ? season four: Arya travels with the Hound on a murder tour of Westeros, eventually becoming so used to death that it stops bothering her; this is also where Arya takes control of her own storyline Click To View Spoiler ? season five: Arya tries her hand at being a servant to the Many-Faced-God, learning that there is more to Death than she thought. Click To View Spoiler ? season six: Arya furthers her training as a servant to the Many-Faced-God, but rejects the ideology and takes her life into her own hands once more Click To View Spoiler ? season seven: Arya goes about her new life, killing those that she (as opposed to the House of Black and White) want dead but using the skills and philosophies they taught her. She is now in control of her life, and other peoples deaths. Click To View Spoiler ? So what has Arya's storyline been about? Death. Arya knows Death. She has had his servants indebted to her, she has served him herself, she has avoided his grasp, and she has let others feel his wrath. She has seen the power of Death, the Many-Faced God, and she has seen the power of the Lord of Light. She knows they are both real. She knows that the Lord of Light wants her alive for something - has been resurrecting Beric and keeping him from Death for something, she knows that Death can be denied, and she knows that he's coming for her little brother. ? To Arya, he's not the Night King. He's Death, and there's only one thing she needs say to him: not today. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:07:58 PM EDT
[#44]
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Just found out they used computer generated dragons instead of the real thing. So fucking pissed right now. Literally shaking. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:13:37 PM EDT
[#45]
I'll kick the carcass of this horse...
From the maps of Winterfell I've seen, the library is adjacent to the godswood. When Theon & Co first start seeing movement, it is my belief that the first movement they see is Arya coming from the library and taking up a position in the godswood in anticipation of the NK coming for Bran. She logically sees this as the best time to attack and in the end is proven correct. I have not taken the time to pause the scene in question and doubt that even if you did so that you could identify the person. She, of course, arrives just seconds before the dead and remains unnoticed during the entire fight between the dead and the ironborn. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:15:30 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryI hate how Hollywood constantly uses this flying leap thing. It's in so many movies. I've never seen a human be able to jump like that.
So ridiculous. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:15:48 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That pretty much sums up the problem here, and why there is such an impasse. Hamiltbl2, and a few others look at Arya's jump and say fuckitall, there is no way that could happen! Then there are others, myself included, that are seeing undead killing people, dragons flying around, fantastic fighting, superhuman displays of physicality, burning swords, immortal ice ghouls raising the dead, witches, giants, all kinds of magic, and we're are asking ... you have a problem with this? https://thecrazywatchers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/anigif_sub-buzz-6273-1556511276-1.gif ... really? I call it to lazy writing while others here think its brilliant writing. Sorry, not sorry. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:23:28 PM EDT
[#48]
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This is the problem I have with Arya killing the NK. We are quickly approaching TLJ territory. She is now the unstoppable supper assasain that kills everyone going forward and/or we get wonky shit that makes no sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm just going to say this: GoT is famous for killing off everyone's favorite and not sticking to usual tropes. Arya is a badass and was a favorite of many viewers. NOW she's a freaking legend since slaying the NK. She fulfilled the biggest purposes of one the main plots. Click To View Spoiler She is now the unstoppable supper assasain that kills everyone going forward and/or we get wonky shit that makes no sense. |
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:26:33 PM EDT
[#49]
Has GRRM commented on the episode? Was wondering if it turned out as he planned and he trolled us with a false prophecy from the beginning.
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Posted: 5/1/2019 4:27:00 PM EDT
[#50]
FFS, the Night King had just walked through stacks of bodies and stopped in front of them, Arya could have launched herself off of any of them giving her jump both more height and more distance.
Not to mention the Night King had blasted the hole in the wall next to the Hunter's Gate which is literally right next to Arya's last known location around the library tower. Next, try running past someone with long hair. It'll wave in the breeze. You don't need super speed for that. Can we move on to another argument? 
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