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Link Posted: 3/17/2019 5:57:01 PM EDT
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Tyrion would see Westeros burn if he could be king of the ashes?
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tyrion ends up sitting on the iron throne.

everyone else is dead.
Tyrion would see Westeros burn if he could be king of the ashes?
what i basically meant is that the good guys win (walkers defeated and cersei defeated) and all (or most of the good guys are dead). a bitter sweet ending.

it is after all 'a game of thrones'. and by that, at least in the hbo series, there ends up a throne and a winner of the throne. tyrion is center around which the entire series revolves (most of the time). and who would make a better or more intelligent ruler?

nevertheless. just about everyone dies before its over. and who better to sit on the iron throne at the end?

tyrion destined to wear the crown of westeros upon a troubled brow.
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 6:13:45 PM EDT
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what i basically meant is that the good guys win (walkers defeated and cersei defeated) and all (or most of the good guys are dead). a bitter sweet ending.

it is after all 'a game of thrones'. and by that, at least in the hbo series, there ends up a throne and a winner of the throne. tyrion is center around which the entire series revolves (most of the time). and who would make a better or more intelligent ruler?

nevertheless. just about everyone dies before its over. and who better to sit on the iron throne at the end?

tyrion destined to wear the crown of westeros upon a troubled brow.
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I don't think it's going to be any of the major characters... Jon Snow, Danny, Tyrion, Cersi, Sansa, Arya.

It'll be someone unexpected; claim or no claim to the throne.

My prediction...

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Link Posted: 3/17/2019 6:24:22 PM EDT
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I don't think it's going to be any of the major characters... Jon Snow, Danny, Tyrion, Cersi, Sansa, Arya.

It'll be someone unexpected; claim or no claim to the throne.

My prediction...

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what i basically meant is that the good guys win (walkers defeated and cersei defeated) and all (or most of the good guys are dead). a bitter sweet ending.

it is after all 'a game of thrones'. and by that, at least in the hbo series, there ends up a throne and a winner of the throne. tyrion is center around which the entire series revolves (most of the time). and who would make a better or more intelligent ruler?

nevertheless. just about everyone dies before its over. and who better to sit on the iron throne at the end?

tyrion destined to wear the crown of westeros upon a troubled brow.
I don't think it's going to be any of the major characters... Jon Snow, Danny, Tyrion, Cersi, Sansa, Arya.

It'll be someone unexpected; claim or no claim to the throne.

My prediction...

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hmmm…I could see that
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 6:36:18 PM EDT
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I don't think it's going to be any of the major characters... Jon Snow, Danny, Tyrion, Cersi, Sansa, Arya.

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what i basically meant is that the good guys win (walkers defeated and cersei defeated) and all (or most of the good guys are dead). a bitter sweet ending.

it is after all 'a game of thrones'. and by that, at least in the hbo series, there ends up a throne and a winner of the throne. tyrion is center around which the entire series revolves (most of the time). and who would make a better or more intelligent ruler?

nevertheless. just about everyone dies before its over. and who better to sit on the iron throne at the end?

tyrion destined to wear the crown of westeros upon a troubled brow.
I don't think it's going to be any of the major characters... Jon Snow, Danny, Tyrion, Cersi, Sansa, Arya.

It'll be someone unexpected; claim or no claim to the throne.

My prediction...

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Davos
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 6:48:16 PM EDT
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you're confusing Mance with Craster
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you're confusing Mance with Craster
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I could be wrong, but I don't think Mance was the wildling that was fucking his own daughters and giving the sons to the Walkers.
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Except that the baby was Crasters son (Gilly's father), not Mances.
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you're confusing Mance with Craster
Details, details!  

D'oh.

Clearly need to go back and rewatch all previous seasons before the next one starts.  Think there is time if I skip personal hygiene?  
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 6:56:01 PM EDT
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No, not that low. But I sure as heck remember season 7.
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So what you're doing is setting the bar so low you can't help but to be pleasantly surprised and not disappointed.
No, not that low. But I sure as heck remember season 7.
Season 7 was awesome.  Are you talking about season 6 where the only good episode was Hardhome?
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 7:15:25 PM EDT
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Season 7 was awesome.  Are you talking about season 6 where the only good episode was Hardhome?
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No, not that low. But I sure as heck remember season 7.
Season 7 was awesome.  Are you talking about season 6 where the only good episode was Hardhome?
Hardhome was season 5. Did ANYTHING happen in 6 ?
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 7:49:16 PM EDT
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Hardhome was season 5. Did ANYTHING happen in 6 ?
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Link Posted: 3/17/2019 7:56:41 PM EDT
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Season 7 was awesome.  Are you talking about season 6 where the only good episode was Hardhome?
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So what you're doing is setting the bar so low you can't help but to be pleasantly surprised and not disappointed.
No, not that low. But I sure as heck remember season 7.
Season 7 was awesome.  Are you talking about season 6 where the only good episode was Hardhome?
Yeah, well, that's just like, you're opinion, man.

Personally I don't think GoT has had an "awesome season" since S4.  Which comes as no surprise was the last season Dumb and Dumber could basically just copy and paste from the books.
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 8:50:08 PM EDT
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Details, details!  

D'oh.

Clearly need to go back and rewatch all previous seasons before the next one starts.  Think there is time if I skip personal hygiene?  
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I could be wrong, but I don't think Mance was the wildling that was fucking his own daughters and giving the sons to the Walkers.
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Except that the baby was Crasters son (Gilly's father), not Mances.
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you're confusing Mance with Craster
Details, details!  

D'oh.

Clearly need to go back and rewatch all previous seasons before the next one starts.  Think there is time if I skip personal hygiene?  
I think a few days ago was the date you could start and watch 2 episodes a day and be able to watch all 7 seasons before season 8 started. I'm sure you could do 2 episodes a day and 3-4 oer day on weekends and catch up before the season starts.

I've been watching 2-5 episodes a day to get caught up on everything, and learning how much I missed and how much foreshadowing I didn't notice. I am in an odd circumstance though because I'm out of work healing after shoulder surgery.
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 9:06:51 PM EDT
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Details, details!  

D'oh.

Clearly need to go back and rewatch all previous seasons before the next one starts.  Think there is time if I skip personal hygiene?  
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This is an excellent example of where the show separates from the books.

In the books, Gilly sacrifices her own son (Craster's) to save Mance's.
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 9:15:09 PM EDT
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This is an excellent example of where the show separates from the books.

In the books, Gilly sacrifices her own son (Craster's) to save Mance's.
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D'oh.

Clearly need to go back and rewatch all previous seasons before the next one starts.  Think there is time if I skip personal hygiene?  
This is an excellent example of where the show separates from the books.

In the books, Gilly sacrifices her own son (Craster's) to save Mance's.
I don't think that was really her call though.
Link Posted: 3/17/2019 9:27:11 PM EDT
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I think a few days ago was the date you could start and watch 2 episodes a day and be able to watch all 7 seasons before season 8 started. I'm sure you could do 2 episodes a day and 3-4 oer day on weekends and catch up before the season starts.

I've been watching 2-5 episodes a day to get caught up on everything, and learning how much I missed and how much foreshadowing I didn't notice. I am in an odd circumstance though because I'm out of work healing after shoulder surgery.
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If you have HBO GO you can watch all seasons, all episodes at your leisure.
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Season 7 was awesome.  Are you talking about season 6 where the only good episode was Hardhome?
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So what you're doing is setting the bar so low you can't help but to be pleasantly surprised and not disappointed.
No, not that low. But I sure as heck remember season 7.
Season 7 was awesome.  Are you talking about season 6 where the only good episode was Hardhome?

Petyr Baelish is easily one of the cleverest, most devious, conniving, and manipulative character in the series. The TV show turned him into a cardboard cutout with relatively zero action and unceremoniously cut his throat. Nobody knows what will happen to him in the books, but what happened on the show was a travesty of a mockery of a farce. And the entire Wight hunt story, its ending battle and literally impossible resolution was the same.
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 1:37:43 AM EDT
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Petyr Baelish is easily one of the cleverest, most devious, conniving, and manipulative character in the series. The TV show turned him into a cardboard cutout with relatively zero action and unceremoniously cut his throat. Nobody knows what will happen to him in the books, but what happened on the show was a travesty of a mockery of a farce. And the entire Wight hunt story, its ending battle and literally impossible resolution was the same.
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So what you're doing is setting the bar so low you can't help but to be pleasantly surprised and not disappointed.
No, not that low. But I sure as heck remember season 7.
Season 7 was awesome.  Are you talking about season 6 where the only good episode was Hardhome?

Petyr Baelish is easily one of the cleverest, most devious, conniving, and manipulative character in the series. The TV show turned him into a cardboard cutout with relatively zero action and unceremoniously cut his throat. Nobody knows what will happen to him in the books, but what happened on the show was a travesty of a mockery of a farce. And the entire Wight hunt story, its ending battle and literally impossible resolution was the same.
Could be worse.  I mean just look what Dumb and Dumber did to Stannis.



Link Posted: 3/18/2019 1:53:25 AM EDT
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THIS!

Either that or Samwell Tarley ends up sitting on the Iron Throne!  
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 1:57:56 AM EDT
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So what you're doing is setting the bar so low you can't help but to be pleasantly surprised and not disappointed.
No, not that low. But I sure as heck remember season 7.
Season 7 was awesome.  Are you talking about season 6 where the only good episode was Hardhome?

Petyr Baelish is easily one of the cleverest, most devious, conniving, and manipulative character in the series. The TV show turned him into a cardboard cutout with relatively zero action and unceremoniously cut his throat. Nobody knows what will happen to him in the books, but what happened on the show was a travesty of a mockery of a farce. And the entire Wight hunt story, its ending battle and literally impossible resolution was the same.
Could be worse.  I mean just look what Dumb and Dumber did to Stannis.

https://external-preview.redd.it/wnIHT7GJYa_2H-smIj8lf3QygY8ib7E-oXZ3es-3gf8.jpg?width=666&auto=webp&s=f7e0052e1a8896bea27906392370224850aa5e8e

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Stannis the Mannis! One of my favorite characters on the show. Would've been cool to see him and the Roose is Loose Bolton fight each other
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 3:27:19 AM EDT
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Stannis the Mannis! One of my favorite characters on the show. Would've been cool to see him and the Roose is Loose Bolton fight each other
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So what you're doing is setting the bar so low you can't help but to be pleasantly surprised and not disappointed.
No, not that low. But I sure as heck remember season 7.
Season 7 was awesome.  Are you talking about season 6 where the only good episode was Hardhome?

Petyr Baelish is easily one of the cleverest, most devious, conniving, and manipulative character in the series. The TV show turned him into a cardboard cutout with relatively zero action and unceremoniously cut his throat. Nobody knows what will happen to him in the books, but what happened on the show was a travesty of a mockery of a farce. And the entire Wight hunt story, its ending battle and literally impossible resolution was the same.
Could be worse.  I mean just look what Dumb and Dumber did to Stannis.

https://external-preview.redd.it/wnIHT7GJYa_2H-smIj8lf3QygY8ib7E-oXZ3es-3gf8.jpg?width=666&auto=webp&s=f7e0052e1a8896bea27906392370224850aa5e8e

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Stannis the Mannis! One of my favorite characters on the show. Would've been cool to see him and the Roose is Loose Bolton fight each other
And then of course there is the Dorne storyline.

The bastard mistress of the ruler’s dead brother murders the ruler and his son and somehow that makes the bastard mistress of the dead brother ruler of the entire kingdom.



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And then Dumb and Dumber butchered Prince Doran’s badass scene and gave it to the bastard mistress.

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Link Posted: 3/18/2019 8:48:43 AM EDT
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Rewatching random episodes it is kinda annoying how Daenerys goes from having little to no control over her dragons to, without any explanation whatsoever, not only having total control over them but they seem to be telepathically linked to the point she doesn't even have to say anything or seemingly do anything to get the dragons to do exactly what she wants.

In the S5 finale Drogon is completely ignoring Daenerys when she last sees him.  He couldn't give a fuck.

Then THE VERY NEXT TIME she sees Drogon she's riding him and getting him to go exactly where she wants.
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The showstory spans years, even decades.  A lot happens off screen and between seasons/episodes.
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 8:50:22 AM EDT
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tyrion ends up sitting on the iron throne.

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Unless it was a faux spoiler to throw people off.  It's already known that Tyrion Click To View Spoiler
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 9:18:20 AM EDT
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LMAO, that's epic and probably true!
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 10:14:54 AM EDT
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The showstory spans years, even decades.  A lot happens off screen and between seasons/episodes.
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Rewatching random episodes it is kinda annoying how Daenerys goes from having little to no control over her dragons to, without any explanation whatsoever, not only having total control over them but they seem to be telepathically linked to the point she doesn't even have to say anything or seemingly do anything to get the dragons to do exactly what she wants.

In the S5 finale Drogon is completely ignoring Daenerys when she last sees him.  He couldn't give a fuck.

Then THE VERY NEXT TIME she sees Drogon she's riding him and getting him to go exactly where she wants.
The showstory spans years, even decades.  A lot happens off screen and between seasons/episodes.
So what exactly are you suggesting?  That while Daenerys was held captive by the Dothraki she was sneaking off to have secret training sessions with Drogon off screen like she was Hiccup in How To Train Your Dragon training Toothless?
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Any dude that big is probably all roided out.  It's probably not the issue your JPG makes is out to be...
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So what exactly are you suggesting?  That while Daenerys was held captive by the Dothraki she was sneaking off to have secret training sessions with Drogon off screen like she was Hiccup in How To Train Your Dragon training Toothless?
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Her dragons were still quite small when she was crossing the ocean.
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Her dragons were still quite small when she was crossing the ocean.
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So what exactly are you suggesting?  That while Daenerys was held captive by the Dothraki she was sneaking off to have secret training sessions with Drogon off screen like she was Hiccup in How To Train Your Dragon training Toothless?
Her dragons were still quite small when she was crossing the ocean.
If you say so...



Also at no point during this did Daenerys cross an ocean.
Link Posted: 3/18/2019 11:11:25 AM EDT
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Any dude that big is probably all roided out.  It's probably not the issue your JPG makes is out to be...
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Any dude that big is probably all roided out.  It's probably not the issue your JPG makes is out to be...
“The guy with a better body than me uses steroids.”

“The guy with a smoking hot woman only has her because he has money and she’s a gold digger.”

“The guy driving a supercar has a needle dick.”
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Another thing D&D keep screwing up is medieval inheritance.  Without Shireen there is no one to take over House Baratheon.  Gendry can't inherit, unless he marries Shireen like the original Baratheon.  The nobles were all fucking peasants back then.  But no way did a peasant get to inherit.  You had to have a papal dispensation basically (but children of noble affairs were looked upon a bit more favorably).  We also have no heirs for the Tyrells, Martels, and Tullys, though I guess Arya or Sansa could inherit Riverrun.  I'd say Robin as well, but Westeros doesn't seem to allow joining titles.  I'm guessing that D&D will likely leave all that unexplained.
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Another thing D&D keep screwing up is medieval inheritance.  Without Shireen there is no one to take over House Baratheon.  Gendry can't inherit, unless he marries Shireen like the original Baratheon.  The nobles were all fucking peasants back then.  But no way did a peasant get to inherit.  You had to have a papal dispensation basically (but children of noble affairs were looked upon a bit more favorably).  We also have no heirs for the Tyrells, Martels, and Tullys, though I guess Arya or Sansa could inherit Riverrun.  I'd say Robin as well, but Westeros doesn't seem to allow joining titles.  I'm guessing that D&D will likely leave all that unexplained.
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Bastards can inherit. Ramsey inherited winterfell.
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Another thing D&D keep screwing up is medieval inheritance.  Without Shireen there is no one to take over House Baratheon.  Gendry can't inherit, unless he marries Shireen like the original Baratheon.  The nobles were all fucking peasants back then.  But no way did a peasant get to inherit.  You had to have a papal dispensation basically (but children of noble affairs were looked upon a bit more favorably).  We also have no heirs for the Tyrells, Martels, and Tullys, though I guess Arya or Sansa could inherit Riverrun.  I'd say Robin as well, but Westeros doesn't seem to allow joining titles.  I'm guessing that D&D will likely leave all that unexplained.
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Another thing D&D keep screwing up is medieval inheritance.  Without Shireen there is no one to take over House Baratheon.  Gendry can't inherit, unless he marries Shireen like the original Baratheon.  The nobles were all fucking peasants back then.  But no way did a peasant get to inherit.  You had to have a papal dispensation basically (but children of noble affairs were looked upon a bit more favorably).  We also have no heirs for the Tyrells, Martels, and Tullys, though I guess Arya or Sansa could inherit Riverrun.  I'd say Robin as well, but Westeros doesn't seem to allow joining titles.  I'm guessing that D&D will likely leave all that unexplained.
I could type a college thesis on all the Dumb and Dumber screw ups.  I think the worse though remains the character assassination of Stannis (I suspect it was done as an attempt to make their golden girl look better).

Then there is Jaime.  “Hey, let’s have him rape his sister AFTER his redemption arc started LAST season!” “Brilliant!”

And let’s not forget them having Jaime needlessly murder his cousin.
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Bastards could inherit. Ramsey inherited winterfell.
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Another thing D&D keep screwing up is medieval inheritance.  Without Shireen there is no one to take over House Baratheon.  Gendry can't inherit, unless he marries Shireen like the original Baratheon.  The nobles were all fucking peasants back then.  But no way did a peasant get to inherit.  You had to have a papal dispensation basically (but children of noble affairs were looked upon a bit more favorably).  We also have no heirs for the Tyrells, Martels, and Tullys, though I guess Arya or Sansa could inherit Riverrun.  I'd say Robin as well, but Westeros doesn't seem to allow joining titles.  I'm guessing that D&D will likely leave all that unexplained.
Bastards could inherit. Ramsey inherited winterfell.
Ramsay was legitimated.
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She unnamed Jaqen H'ghar when he agreed to her help Gendry, Hot Pie, and her escape.  Any of the dozen or so guards Jaqen killed would have sufficed.
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All Hail Queen Arya!
On a semi-unrelated note, doesn't she still have a name to name from when she named and then un-named the faceless man during their escape from Harrenhal? Might that come into play before the end? Or was that name collected when she killed the Waif (who arguably had no name to collect)?

Unless I am remembering something from that scene. It was an awfully long time ago.
She unnamed Jaqen H'ghar when he agreed to her help Gendry, Hot Pie, and her escape.  Any of the dozen or so guards Jaqen killed would have sufficed.
She did unname him, but that leaves a name on the table at the end of their little adventure together
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Details, details!  

D'oh.

Clearly need to go back and rewatch all previous seasons before the next one starts.  Think there is time if I skip personal hygiene?  
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I could be wrong, but I don't think Mance was the wildling that was fucking his own daughters and giving the sons to the Walkers.
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Except that the baby was Crasters son (Gilly's father), not Mances.
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Details, details!  

D'oh.

Clearly need to go back and rewatch all previous seasons before the next one starts.  Think there is time if I skip personal hygiene?  
Your smartphone is probably waterproof. It's worth the risk.
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I don't think roids cause penis growth. Unless the dude was born with a serious knee slapper, it's probably the one average sized thing on him.
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She did unname him, but that leaves a name on the table at the end of their little adventure together
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All Hail Queen Arya!
On a semi-unrelated note, doesn't she still have a name to name from when she named and then un-named the faceless man during their escape from Harrenhal? Might that come into play before the end? Or was that name collected when she killed the Waif (who arguably had no name to collect)?

Unless I am remembering something from that scene. It was an awfully long time ago.
She unnamed Jaqen H'ghar when he agreed to her help Gendry, Hot Pie, and her escape.  Any of the dozen or so guards Jaqen killed would have sufficed.
She did unname him, but that leaves a name on the table at the end of their little adventure together
The guards Jaqen killed in order to help Arya, Gendry, and Hot Pie escape satisfied the requirement.
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I don't think roids cause penis growth. Unless the dude was born with a serious knee slapper, it's probably the one average sized thing on him.
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I don't think roids cause penis growth. Unless the dude was born with a serious knee slapper, it's probably the one average sized thing on him.
HGH can, but I think some of y'all might be taking that a bit too seriously.
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Bastards can inherit. Ramsey inherited winterfell.
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GRRM substituted a Royal Decree for a Papal Dispensation, but Ramsey still isn't really accepted, which is why he kills Fat Walda and her newborn, because even a legitimate bastard inherits behind a true son.  A legitimized bastard is supposed to be an exception, but I expect D&D will just legitimize Gendry, which is highly questionable given that Robert never acknowledged him and those who knew of his birth are mostly dead.  There is a ton of money and power at stake in being a high lord, and the nobility generally doesn't accept outsiders absent very special circumstances, which is why Rhaegar's "secret marriage" is so important.

Historically, it was very, very rare for a bastard to inherit anything.  The Borgias are a good historical example, where Cardinal Borgia basically lived with the kid's mother but because he could marry as a priest the kids were technically bastards, so he had them legitimized.  Another example would be Henry VIII's son Henry Fitzroy (by a noblewoman), who was recognized and ennobled, but not in the line of royal succession.  But some random smith no one knows about would not be accepted in a medieval society.

Of course, D&D already fucked that one up with the whole Dorne abomination, where the Sand Thots murder the Martells and are instantly accepted by Dorne as rulers.
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It's probably because the actress they used for Shireen is so young.  I think whenever GRRM finishes the books someone is going to inherit the Stormlands by marrying Shireen, possibly Gendry, but most casual viewers wouldn't get that a medieval marriage like that wouldn't be consummated until the girl obtained her majority, and it would creep people out.  That's why they aged Tommen, Margaery, Sansa, Dany, etc. to avoid that.  Sansa is 13 in the books.
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It's probably because the actress they used for Shireen is so young.  I think whenever GRRM finishes the books someone is going to inherit the Stormlands by marrying Shireen, possibly Gendry, but most casual viewers wouldn't get that a medieval marriage like that wouldn't be consummated until the girl obtained her majority, and it would creep people out.  That's why they aged Tommen, Margaery, Sansa, Dany, etc. to avoid that.  Sansa is 13 in the books.
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I could type a college thesis on all the Dumb and Dumber screw ups.  I think the worse though remains the character assassination of Stannis (I suspect it was done as an attempt to make their golden girl look better).
It's probably because the actress they used for Shireen is so young.  I think whenever GRRM finishes the books someone is going to inherit the Stormlands by marrying Shireen, possibly Gendry, but most casual viewers wouldn't get that a medieval marriage like that wouldn't be consummated until the girl obtained her majority, and it would creep people out.  That's why they aged Tommen, Margaery, Sansa, Dany, etc. to avoid that.  Sansa is 13 in the books.
I get that. I speaking more towards Dumb and Dumber turning Stannis into a mustache twirling villain.

At least they acknowledged (in a way) they fucked up by having Jaime rape Cersei after his redemption arc started by trying to claim it wasn't rape.  Jaime rips her clothes off, forces himself on her, all while she is trying to push him away telling him "no" and "stop," and we're not supposed to view that as rape?

I still haven't heard an legit explanation on why they needlessly had Jaime murder his own cousin though.
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I get that. I speaking more towards Dumb and Dumber turning Stannis into a mustache twirling villain.

At least they acknowledged (in a way) they fucked up by having Jaime rape Cersei after his redemption arc started by trying to claim it wasn't rape.  Jaime rips her clothes off, forces himself on her, all while she is trying to push him away telling him "no" and "stop," and we're not supposed to view that as rape?

I still haven't heard an legit explanation on why they needlessly had Jaime murder his own cousin
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The average viewer can’t name 5 characters on the show. Do you honestly expect them to remember Jamie throwing Bran out the window or assaulting Ned in King’s Landing?

It reinforces the negative Jamie before his redemption arc begins.
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I get that. I speaking more towards Dumb and Dumber turning Stannis into a mustache twirling villain.
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They were going for subtle.  Did it not come across that way?  

Seriously though, Stannis always was a tragic character, and I suspect he burns somebody and alienates his troops.  I just don't think it will be his daughter.
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The average viewer can’t name 5 characters on the show. Do you honestly expect them to remember Jamie throwing Bran out the window or assaulting Ned in King’s Landing?

It reinforces the negative Jamie before his redemption arc begins.
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I get that. I speaking more towards Dumb and Dumber turning Stannis into a mustache twirling villain.

At least they acknowledged (in a way) they fucked up by having Jaime rape Cersei after his redemption arc started by trying to claim it wasn't rape.  Jaime rips her clothes off, forces himself on her, all while she is trying to push him away telling him "no" and "stop," and we're not supposed to view that as rape?

I still haven't heard an legit explanation on why they needlessly had Jaime murder his own cousin
though.
The average viewer can’t name 5 characters on the show. Do you honestly expect them to remember Jamie throwing Bran out the window or assaulting Ned in King’s Landing?

It reinforces the negative Jamie before his redemption arc begins.
I’m not so much questioning having Jaime kill his cousin as I am questioning having Jaime needlessly kill his cousin.
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It's probably because the actress they used for Shireen is so young.  I think whenever GRRM finishes the books someone is going to inherit the Stormlands by marrying Shireen, possibly Gendry, but most casual viewers wouldn't get that a medieval marriage like that wouldn't be consummated until the girl obtained her majority, and it would creep people out.  That's why they aged Tommen, Margaery, Sansa, Dany, etc. to avoid that.  Sansa is 13 in the books.
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I could type a college thesis on all the Dumb and Dumber screw ups.  I think the worse though remains the character assassination of Stannis (I suspect it was done as an attempt to make their golden girl look better).
It's probably because the actress they used for Shireen is so young.  I think whenever GRRM finishes the books someone is going to inherit the Stormlands by marrying Shireen, possibly Gendry, but most casual viewers wouldn't get that a medieval marriage like that wouldn't be consummated until the girl obtained her majority, and it would creep people out.  That's why they aged Tommen, Margaery, Sansa, Dany, etc. to avoid that.  Sansa is 13 in the books.
They aged them looks wise but in the case of Sansa when Tyrion asks her, her age before they get married she says she is 14. The others I don't think they ever say their age.
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She did unname him, but that leaves a name on the table at the end of their little adventure together
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All Hail Queen Arya!
On a semi-unrelated note, doesn't she still have a name to name from when she named and then un-named the faceless man during their escape from Harrenhal? Might that come into play before the end? Or was that name collected when she killed the Waif (who arguably had no name to collect)?

Unless I am remembering something from that scene. It was an awfully long time ago.
She unnamed Jaqen H'ghar when he agreed to her help Gendry, Hot Pie, and her escape.  Any of the dozen or so guards Jaqen killed would have sufficed.
She did unname him, but that leaves a name on the table at the end of their little adventure together
Clearly addressed by him.  He tells her that the red god has had his due.
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GRRM substituted a Royal Decree for a Papal Dispensation, but Ramsey still isn't really accepted, which is why he kills Fat Walda and her newborn, because even a legitimate bastard inherits behind a true son.  A legitimized bastard is supposed to be an exception, but I expect D&D will just legitimize Gendry, which is highly questionable given that Robert never acknowledged him and those who knew of his birth are mostly dead.  There is a ton of money and power at stake in being a high lord, and the nobility generally doesn't accept outsiders absent very special circumstances, which is why Rhaegar's "secret marriage" is so important.

Historically, it was very, very rare for a bastard to inherit anything.  The Borgias are a good historical example, where Cardinal Borgia basically lived with the kid's mother but because he could marry as a priest the kids were technically bastards, so he had them legitimized.  Another example would be Henry VIII's son Henry Fitzroy (by a noblewoman), who was recognized and ennobled, but not in the line of royal succession.  But some random smith no one knows about would not be accepted in a medieval society.

Of course, D&D already fucked that one up with the whole Dorne abomination, where the Sand Thots murder the Martells and are instantly accepted by Dorne as rulers.
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GRRM substituted a Royal Decree for a Papal Dispensation, but Ramsey still isn't really accepted, which is why he kills Fat Walda and her newborn, because even a legitimate bastard inherits behind a true son.  A legitimized bastard is supposed to be an exception, but I expect D&D will just legitimize Gendry, which is highly questionable given that Robert never acknowledged him and those who knew of his birth are mostly dead.  There is a ton of money and power at stake in being a high lord, and the nobility generally doesn't accept outsiders absent very special circumstances, which is why Rhaegar's "secret marriage" is so important.

Historically, it was very, very rare for a bastard to inherit anything.  The Borgias are a good historical example, where Cardinal Borgia basically lived with the kid's mother but because he could marry as a priest the kids were technically bastards, so he had them legitimized.  Another example would be Henry VIII's son Henry Fitzroy (by a noblewoman), who was recognized and ennobled, but not in the line of royal succession.  But some random smith no one knows about would not be accepted in a medieval society.

Of course, D&D already fucked that one up with the whole Dorne abomination, where the Sand Thots murder the Martells and are instantly accepted by Dorne as rulers.
Dorne doesn't really care about the concept of bastards.  They're not really part of that society.

Of course the show's treatment of the whole thing is absurd regardless.
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They were going for subtle.  Did it not come across that way?  

Seriously though, Stannis always was a tragic character, and I suspect he burns somebody and alienates his troops.  I just don't think it will be his daughter.
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They were going for subtle.  Did it not come across that way?  

Seriously though, Stannis always was a tragic character, and I suspect he burns somebody and alienates his troops.  I just don't think it will be his daughter.
They said they got the daughter burning directly from Martin...
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