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Posted: 11/12/2019 4:39:12 AM EST
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LucasArts kept a VERY tight rein on stories published in the EU, the various authors didn't have a lot of freedom in what they wrote, from what I've been told (reportedly from one of the most prominent EU writers, telling David Weber he made a good decision in TURNING DOWN an opportunity to write in the EU earlier in his writing career). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Consider how Disney threw 30+ years of Expand Universe lore in the trash can and replaced it with shit from a sewer, if I were Lucas I would tell them to fuck off. The check has already been cashed after all. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 6:20:59 AM EST
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Meh, Lucas is a shit dialog writer and has a cringe inducing sense of humor but at least he is capable of creating a proper story arc and setting up a "lived in" world. His original idea for the new trilogy is a million times better than what we ended up with. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 9:59:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Corporate America has a short attention span when it comes to realizing a return on investment. I see it all the time with big companies buying small companies (think IBM) only to crater the acquisition within a few years because “we had to get something to market...” |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 10:05:48 AM EST
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Midway is the movie that the Star Wars bunch should have wanted to make.
Instead, they made Band of Sisters.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 10:06:40 AM EST
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Just watched EP1 of the Mandalorian. Best show ever.
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Posted: 11/12/2019 10:13:30 AM EST
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Just watched EP1 of the Mandalorian. Best show ever. Star Wars redeemed. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 10:21:20 AM EST
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At it's core, Star Wars is a Samurai/Western set in space. Think The Seven Samurai/The Magnificent Seven in a galaxy far far away. When they moved away from that, the franchise withered and died. Mom: "Well...it's kind of like cowboys in space." Me: 
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Posted: 11/12/2019 10:29:30 AM EST
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I miss George Lucas. With the right people around him, he would have made the new trilogy great. I was one that made the mistake of thinking that Disney would do a great job keeping the spirit of the series alive, but I'm pretty sure that spirit is unique to Lucas. I actually enjoyed the prequels and like them more than the originals. The new movies are garbage  
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Posted: 11/12/2019 10:48:40 AM EST
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There still are a few good ones out there. Todd Phillips - Joker director, he also directed The Hangover, Limitless and Old School. Alexander Payne - Election, About Schmidt, Sideways. Guillermo del Toro The Shape of Water, The Strain, Pacific Rim, Hellboy 1+2, Mimic. Denis Villeneuve - Sicario, Blade Runner 2049, Arrival and we'll see if Dune 2020 turns out good. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 11:37:58 AM EST
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Jar jar binks was the only thing I liked about that movie...  
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Posted: 11/12/2019 11:41:57 AM EST
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I saw American Graffiti for the first time a few weeks ago - it was good. I saw Star Wars in 1977. So there's that. Empire Strikes Back was Irvin Kershner. Why didn't Lucas helm that? Return of the Jedi = Ewoks = Lucas. The answer to why Star Wars is such a mess is simple. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One major theory was Lucas may have had very little to do with anything Star Wars. From what is sounds like, he was at most, involved in 15% of the original trilogy. When he came up with the Prequels, those were his babies and you can tell big time. Empire Strikes Back was Irvin Kershner. Why didn't Lucas helm that? Return of the Jedi = Ewoks = Lucas. The answer to why Star Wars is such a mess is simple. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 12:03:00 PM EST
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R1...great Solo....really good, weak spot was the multiethnic girl-power rebel chick Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only good entry in the new Star Wars universe is Rogue One. Every other movie has been abject and utter garbage. They should stop milking this dead cow and move on already. Solo....really good, weak spot was the multiethnic girl-power rebel chick |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 12:11:34 PM EST
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Hollywood is dead. The Marvel movies were the last breath of a dying beast. Now, even they are dead. It died suddenly, but predictably. It is a culture filled with idiots. The old entertainment geniuses are dead, dying, or retired. Now, half-assed idiots who think they need to make a statement, are churning out cringe-worthy idiocy, hoping that the brain dead consumers will mercy-watch their moronic, rehashed, hackneyed tripe. The truth is, they probably will, but deep down, even the most delusional among them know that they can't possibly hold a candle to those who came before them. They take drugs, surround themselves with vapid sycophants, and appear on ridiculous tv shows that market their wealth and fame, as if that is a substitute for actual talent. Those of us who lived through the glory days of film and television know that much of what is being shat upon the big and little screen is laughably bad. 
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Posted: 11/12/2019 12:19:04 PM EST
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9 year old me in 1977: "Mom, what is this movie about that we're going to see?" Mom: "Well...it's kind of like cowboys in space." Me: 
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Posted: 11/12/2019 12:19:26 PM EST
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Midway is the movie that the Star Wars bunch should have wanted to make. Instead, they made Band of Sisters. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/271112/bandofsisters_jpg-1158337.JPG |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 12:20:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hollywood has always been a sink of degeneracy, but at least the filmmakers of yesteryear had a fair amount of talent to build on. Now we have worthless cucks like Rian Johnson who are being hired primarily because they are tractable, controllable, and totally subject to the narrative. They are being handed franchises which are too valuable to fail, given their corporate marching orders, and told to play it safe because the aging creative geniuses crapped out a winning formula 30 years ago and we can't stray too far from that recipe. Let the chained monkeys turn the crank and make some sausage. The result is a predictably unsatisfying chain of turds, gold-plated with CGI and huge budgets. They invariably fail because the writers and directors have no feel for real characters in relatable situations displaying relatable emotions. When there are motivations, they are always thin and hackneyed cliches hastily spray-painted with nostalgia. When there are achievements, they are built on "because I said so" rather than any sacrifice, failures, or pain. No victory is meaningful or ever in question. Each reboot or rehash is seemingly an even more pitiful, derivative, degenerate cliche of something that worked once, five iterations and two or three decades ago, and their deeply unsatisfying efforts spawn further, even weaker attempts a few years down the line. Occasionally a Chris Nolan is brought in and sets a high water mark heretofore undreamt-of, but that's rare enough. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 12:25:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Cargo Cult" filmmaking. Marvel would be the best example of formulaic success. Disney is also formulaic, at least in it's approach, but that formula (simpleton crap with mass marketing to drive demand) only works on reptitive children's movies. Star Wars is at worst considerably more mature than that (more of a young teens' fare, to appreciate it properly), though Lucas obviously saw it as a vehicle for the bright colors & silly characters crowd. At best the setting lends itself to gritty drama. It's clear Disney bought this property with the expectation they could treat it like their cartoons, like Aladdin/Little Mermaid, and perpetually shit out sequels & spinoffs to oblivious children incapable of recognizing the plots are nonsensical and the characters meaningless and the themes laden with propaganda. Why they thought this approach could scale better than the direct-to-video model of those other projects is a mystery to me. That's why we should have known it was over the minute Kathleen Kennedy had anything to do with it. Had I done some research prior to paying money to see TFA or TLJ, I would have avoided them like the plague. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 12:32:29 PM EST
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I just want BIG TITS in movies again
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Posted: 11/12/2019 12:43:06 PM EST
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I just want BIG TITS in movies again  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 12:55:05 PM EST
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"Cargo Cult" filmmaking. Marvel would be the best example of formulaic success. Disney is also formulaic, at least in it's approach, but that formula (simpleton crap with mass marketing to drive demand) only works on reptitive children's movies. Star Wars is at worst considerably more mature than that (more of a young teens' fare, to appreciate it properly), though Lucas obviously saw it as a vehicle for the bright colors & silly characters crowd. At best the setting lends itself to gritty drama. It's clear Disney bought this property with the expectation they could treat it like their cartoons, like Aladdin/Little Mermaid, and perpetually shit out sequels & spinoffs to oblivious children incapable of recognizing the plots are nonsensical and the characters meaningless and the themes laden with propaganda. Why they thought this approach could scale better than the direct-to-video model of those other projects is a mystery to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Hollywood has always been a sink of degeneracy, but at least the filmmakers of yesteryear had a fair amount of talent to build on. Now we have worthless cucks like Rian Johnson who are being hired primarily because they are tractable, controllable, and totally subject to the narrative. They are being handed franchises which are too valuable to fail, given their corporate marching orders, and told to play it safe because the aging creative geniuses crapped out a winning formula 30 years ago and we can't stray too far from that recipe. Let the chained monkeys turn the crank and make some sausage. The result is a predictably unsatisfying chain of turds, gold-plated with CGI and huge budgets. They invariably fail because the writers and directors have no feel for real characters in relatable situations displaying relatable emotions. When there are motivations, they are always thin and hackneyed cliches hastily spray-painted with nostalgia. When there are achievements, they are built on "because I said so" rather than any sacrifice, failures, or pain. No victory is meaningful or ever in question. Each reboot or rehash is seemingly an even more pitiful, derivative, degenerate cliche of something that worked once, five iterations and two or three decades ago, and their deeply unsatisfying efforts spawn further, even weaker attempts a few years down the line. Occasionally a Chris Nolan is brought in and sets a high water mark heretofore undreamt-of, but that's rare enough. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:00:15 PM EST
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Meh, Lucas is a shit dialog writer and has a cringe inducing sense of humor but at least he is capable of creating a proper story arc and setting up a "lived in" world. His original idea for the new trilogy is a million times better than what we ended up with. https://www.fatherly.com/news/george-lucass-original-idea-star-wars-episodes-vii-viii-ix-trilogy/ It’s not what I recall reading many years ago (about the. While) What I remember is something like a back story in TLJ that Luke had a new Jedi academy and One of Han/leias children turned to the dark side. I thought it was jacen or something like that- there was no Ben or kylonthat turned The overwhelming arc was problems setting up a new republic. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:00:57 PM EST
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You want to solve this temporarily? In the final credits of the upcoming movie, Harrison Ford as Solo wakes up in the shower with Carrie Fisher’s voice in the background, a la Dallas. That troll of everyone ALMOST would make up for the last two - and expected third - pile of shit. If Disney isn't retarded (remains to be seen) these 'baseless and incorrect leaks' will coincidentally herald a delayed release while they reshoot most of the movie. Shouldn't be too hard; they can come up with a way to string the already-filmed expensive action scene footage together with a new dialogue & plot under the actors' existing contracts. Probably a several month delay at worst. They just need to knuckle-under & do it, and stop pretending they can save the current turd. Or they could continue being retarded. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:02:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThere's some hilarious footage of the Episode I screening...with everyone looking around uncomfortably.
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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:14:35 PM EST
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I just want BIG TITS in movies again https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232454/JPEG_20190913_125820_jpg-1158424.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232454/FB_IMG_1567031021635_jpg-1158426.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232454/FB_IMG_1572915651516_jpg-1158427.JPG 
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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:22:27 PM EST
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For what it’s worth there is this article https://www.fatherly.com/news/george-lucass-original-idea-star-wars-episodes-vii-viii-ix-trilogy/ It’s not what I recall reading many years ago (about the. While) What I remember is something like a back story in TLJ that Luke had a new Jedi academy and One of Han/leias children turned to the dark side. I thought it was jacen or something like that- there was no Ben or kylonthat turned The overwhelming arc was problems setting up a new republic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh, Lucas is a shit dialog writer and has a cringe inducing sense of humor but at least he is capable of creating a proper story arc and setting up a "lived in" world. His original idea for the new trilogy is a million times better than what we ended up with. https://www.fatherly.com/news/george-lucass-original-idea-star-wars-episodes-vii-viii-ix-trilogy/ It’s not what I recall reading many years ago (about the. While) What I remember is something like a back story in TLJ that Luke had a new Jedi academy and One of Han/leias children turned to the dark side. I thought it was jacen or something like that- there was no Ben or kylonthat turned The overwhelming arc was problems setting up a new republic. I still don't get why all the main cast have to be inbred as a plot device for a story spanning galaxies; I know Lucas cribbed the plot from the Japanese & they love the family tree angle, but he's American. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:42:29 PM EST
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Return of the Jedi 2.0 where the most inexperienced untrained Jedi kills the biggest and Baddest Sith in the galaxy.... Boy these clown shoes really hurt my feet... |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:49:29 PM EST
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There still are a few good ones out there. Todd Phillips - Joker director, he also directed The Hangover, Limitless and Old School. Alexander Payne - Election, About Schmidt, Sideways. Guillermo del Toro The Shape of Water, The Strain, Pacific Rim, Hellboy 1+2, Mimic. Denis Villeneuve - Sicario, Blade Runner 2049, Arrival and we'll see if Dune 2020 turns out good. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:02:11 PM EST
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I think the movie will be shit, but I doubt the rumors about 3 endings, Lucas coming in and saving it and this test audience are even remotely true. The simple truth is they would not be able to release anything in December, if they were reworking the ending. The animators, actors and crew simply don't have enough hours in the day to do something like that. But rest assured, it will suck ass. And if they somehow bring the Emperor back as stated in the OP, they really fucked it good. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:05:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The rumor about Lucas sounds unlikely. In my ignorant opinion, it seems like at the most he could do a bit of re-editing and if that was all this took they wouldn't need him. It's not like they can do some extensive reshoot and re-animation in time for a December release. And last, but not least, "helping" the current incompetent bunch diminishes the nostalgia for how great a director and writer he was (LOL). Money can't buy that kind of revisionist history. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:05:46 PM EST
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George Lucas cut in order to sell tickets and subsequently use him as the fall guy.
Brilliant! |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:08:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's some hilarious footage of the Episode I screening...with everyone looking around uncomfortably.  I May Have Gone Too Far In A Few Places |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:21:14 PM EST
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And the ghetto female andriod |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:30:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Cargo Cult" filmmaking. Marvel would be the best example of formulaic success. Disney is also formulaic, at least in it's approach, but that formula (simpleton crap with mass marketing to drive demand) only works on reptitive children's movies. Star Wars is at worst considerably more mature than that (more of a young teens' fare, to appreciate it properly), though Lucas obviously saw it as a vehicle for the bright colors & silly characters crowd. At best the setting lends itself to gritty drama. It's clear Disney bought this property with the expectation they could treat it like their cartoons, like Aladdin/Little Mermaid, and perpetually shit out sequels & spinoffs to oblivious children incapable of recognizing the plots are nonsensical and the characters meaningless and the themes laden with propaganda. Why they thought this approach could scale better than the direct-to-video model of those other projects is a mystery to me. Disney, and every non-rabid-fan on the planet, saw what looked like a can't lose cash cow. Lucas spit out his trio of sequels (to the original three) and made BILLIONS off what were easily the most imbecilic incomprehensible shit ever released on the big screen. They weren't just bad, they were insultingly bad. The stories and dialog were idiotic, the acting was terrible, the special effects were comically over the top, and the "heroes" of these stories made you desperately long for the bad guys to kill them all. Slowly. Over and over again. Can anyone honestly claim that they didn't want to see Darth Maul kill every single person in the first film? And yet Lucas minted money off these turds.He minted miney because it was Star Wars and the fans were very clear that they didn't give a flying fuck how bad it was, they were going to pay their nerd nostalgia bucks over and over again. It was a source of pride with these tards. Disney looked at this and correctly thought that they could do better. And who can blame them. But they had to grab it quick before Lucas destroyed the whole thing permanently. And it was all so simple that they didn't need to worry about quality story telling, they could just do special effects and cultural marxist messaging. But they underestimated just how badly Lucas had fucked things up. By the time Disney bought it the non-fans had already long since quit, and the fans were on their last leg. Disney's brand new vessel wasn't unsinkable, it was the Titanic, and they were going full tilt boogey without anyone on the bridge. Hitting an iceberg was inevitable. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:39:21 PM EST
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Empire Strikes Back is the only great Star Wars movie.
Star Wars: A New Hope is pretty good as a light-hearted adventure flick. Doesn't hold up all that well, tho. Return of the Jedi really doesn't hold up very well. The prequels are mostly shit. The new films, starting with "The Force Awakens" range from forgettable to "intentionally shitting on the core audience." I really hope Disney takes a huge bath on this last film. I hope they lose a shit ton of money on it. Fuck them and their communist chinese cock-sucking. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:08:02 PM EST
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I disagree... sort of. Disney, and every non-rabid-fan on the planet, saw what looked like a can't lose cash cow. Lucas spit out his trio of sequels (to the original three) and made BILLIONS off what were easily the most imbecilic incomprehensible shit ever released on the big screen. They weren't just bad, they were insultingly bad. The stories and dialog were idiotic, the acting was terrible, the special effects were comically over the top, and the "heroes" of these stories made you desperately long for the bad guys to kill them all. Slowly. Over and over again. Can anyone honestly claim that they didn't want to see Darth Maul kill every single person in the first film? And yet Lucas minted money off these turds.He minted miney because it was Star Wars and the fans were very clear that they didn't give a flying fuck how bad it was, they were going to pay their nerd nostalgia bucks over and over again. It was a source of pride with these tards. Disney looked at this and correctly thought that they could do better. And who can blame them. But they had to grab it quick before Lucas destroyed the whole thing permanently. And it was all so simple that they didn't need to worry about quality story telling, they could just do special effects and cultural marxist messaging. But they underestimated just how badly Lucas had fucked things up. By the time Disney bought it the non-fans had already long since quit, and the fans were on their last leg. Disney's brand new vessel wasn't unsinkable, it was the Titanic, and they were going full tilt boogey without anyone on the bridge. Hitting an iceberg was inevitable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: "Cargo Cult" filmmaking. Marvel would be the best example of formulaic success. Disney is also formulaic, at least in it's approach, but that formula (simpleton crap with mass marketing to drive demand) only works on reptitive children's movies. Star Wars is at worst considerably more mature than that (more of a young teens' fare, to appreciate it properly), though Lucas obviously saw it as a vehicle for the bright colors & silly characters crowd. At best the setting lends itself to gritty drama. It's clear Disney bought this property with the expectation they could treat it like their cartoons, like Aladdin/Little Mermaid, and perpetually shit out sequels & spinoffs to oblivious children incapable of recognizing the plots are nonsensical and the characters meaningless and the themes laden with propaganda. Why they thought this approach could scale better than the direct-to-video model of those other projects is a mystery to me. Disney, and every non-rabid-fan on the planet, saw what looked like a can't lose cash cow. Lucas spit out his trio of sequels (to the original three) and made BILLIONS off what were easily the most imbecilic incomprehensible shit ever released on the big screen. They weren't just bad, they were insultingly bad. The stories and dialog were idiotic, the acting was terrible, the special effects were comically over the top, and the "heroes" of these stories made you desperately long for the bad guys to kill them all. Slowly. Over and over again. Can anyone honestly claim that they didn't want to see Darth Maul kill every single person in the first film? And yet Lucas minted money off these turds.He minted miney because it was Star Wars and the fans were very clear that they didn't give a flying fuck how bad it was, they were going to pay their nerd nostalgia bucks over and over again. It was a source of pride with these tards. Disney looked at this and correctly thought that they could do better. And who can blame them. But they had to grab it quick before Lucas destroyed the whole thing permanently. And it was all so simple that they didn't need to worry about quality story telling, they could just do special effects and cultural marxist messaging. But they underestimated just how badly Lucas had fucked things up. By the time Disney bought it the non-fans had already long since quit, and the fans were on their last leg. Disney's brand new vessel wasn't unsinkable, it was the Titanic, and they were going full tilt boogey without anyone on the bridge. Hitting an iceberg was inevitable. The Sequel Trilogy is terrible story telling, with terrible characters, and it doesn't feel like Star Wars. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:17:26 PM EST
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Star Wars has always struggled with a lore problem. George Lucas knew how to get the plane in the air but couldn’t land it to save his life. -The original trilogy did best when other people refined his ideas. -The prequels sucked for plot and characters. -The EU was the strongest thing about Star Wars for decades. Dozens of writers smoothed out the bumps and made the universe functional. -Disney obliterated the EU, then tried to rewrite the universe via committee and targeted demographics. Storyline be damned. -Rian Johnson shot continuity out of a howitzer and completely disregarded the Disney storyline because.... cocaine? Now Disney is suddenly realizing the core issue with the SW franchise hasn’t been addressed since the early 80’s: what the hell is Star Wars even about??? Good luck resolving the movie equivalent of Lost in 90 min. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 4:07:12 PM EST
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Anime, my friend. 
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I just want BIG TITS in movies again
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Posted: 11/12/2019 5:15:38 PM EST
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Posted: 11/12/2019 5:19:56 PM EST
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This is a bunch of crap. The Prequel Trilogy, despite its shortcomings, felt like Star Wars, and remained consistent in the presentation of the universe. Also, the story of the Prequel Trilogy is good, just poorly done in the movies because of George Lucas. Want proof? Read the novelization for Episode III; it is one of the best Star Wars books ever written. The Sequel Trilogy is terrible story telling, with terrible characters, and it doesn't feel like Star Wars. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 6:57:12 PM EST
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This is a bunch of crap. The Prequel Trilogy, despite its shortcomings, felt like Star Wars, and remained consistent in the presentation of the universe. Also, the story of the Prequel Trilogy is good, just poorly done in the movies because of George Lucas. Want proof? Read the novelization for Episode III; it is one of the best Star Wars books ever written. The Sequel Trilogy is terrible story telling, with terrible characters, and it doesn't feel like Star Wars. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 7:18:13 PM EST
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So.... you are saying that the movies are good, with good stories, just badly done as movies. Dude, no offense, but put the nostalgia goggles away. The movies were incomprehensible garbage -- particularly the first one. I can find better acting and more coherent story telling in a Friday the 13th sequel. They only felt Star Wars in that they were basically the norm for Star Wars movies, that is to say that they were really seriously flawed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is a bunch of crap. The Prequel Trilogy, despite its shortcomings, felt like Star Wars, and remained consistent in the presentation of the universe. Also, the story of the Prequel Trilogy is good, just poorly done in the movies because of George Lucas. Want proof? Read the novelization for Episode III; it is one of the best Star Wars books ever written. The Sequel Trilogy is terrible story telling, with terrible characters, and it doesn't feel like Star Wars. |
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Posted: 11/13/2019 9:00:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree... sort of. Disney, and every non-rabid-fan on the planet, saw what looked like a can't lose cash cow. Lucas spit out his trio of sequels (to the original three) and made BILLIONS off what were easily the most imbecilic incomprehensible shit ever released on the big screen. They weren't just bad, they were insultingly bad. The stories and dialog were idiotic, the acting was terrible, the special effects were comically over the top, and the "heroes" of these stories made you desperately long for the bad guys to kill them all. Slowly. Over and over again. Can anyone honestly claim that they didn't want to see Darth Maul kill every single person in the first film? And yet Lucas minted money off these turds.He minted miney because it was Star Wars and the fans were very clear that they didn't give a flying fuck how bad it was, they were going to pay their nerd nostalgia bucks over and over again. It was a source of pride with these tards. Disney looked at this and correctly thought that they could do better. And who can blame them. But they had to grab it quick before Lucas destroyed the whole thing permanently. And it was all so simple that they didn't need to worry about quality story telling, they could just do special effects and cultural marxist messaging. But they underestimated just how badly Lucas had fucked things up. By the time Disney bought it the non-fans had already long since quit, and the fans were on their last leg. Disney's brand new vessel wasn't unsinkable, it was the Titanic, and they were going full tilt boogey without anyone on the bridge. Hitting an iceberg was inevitable. 
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Posted: 11/13/2019 9:34:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Start from nothing. Earn your power. A demanding mentor. Have you lowest low. A hubris fall. Lose your gift. Earn and atone. Regain your gift. A worthy opponent defeated against all odds. Iron man(the one marvel movie that couldbe argued launched the multi billion dollar super hero craze) guy gets laid low and works in cave under gruling doncition using brain to fix things, gruling dad/mentor scenes get escape cave have village killed because of him have to protect people he loves save friends adn the day at the end (rinse and repeat for 3 more movies and spin offs/coolabortions) Batman, laid low(no dfamily), earns powers, cant save gotham loses his family(basically gotham), fix thigns ride off into sunset. |
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Posted: 11/13/2019 9:52:43 AM EST
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Solo: A Star Wars Story Will Lose $50-80 Million, Analysts Blame Poor Marketing
The big picture:
Disney paid cool 4 billion for the franchise. A completely safe long-term investment in index funds will bring 5-10% annually. Therefore, Star Wars needs to bring 600 million to 1 billion every year to be on par. Disney needs The Force Awakens kind of film every year. So far, the investment has been a colossal failure. Disney can eat the loss because of the Marvel movies, theme parks, etc, but Star Wars will be a case study in failure for years to come Here's to the analysts keeping their head up their @sses and the SJW's losing tens of millions more 
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Posted: 11/13/2019 9:59:11 AM EST
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The multi-decade success of the EU says that's wrong. And the fact that the canvas is 25,000+ years in an entire galaxy says the concept of being "played out" is idiotic. Some of the most entertaining stories take place in a couple cities on a planet or two. With the universe he created there are billions of stories to tell. billions of people waiting to be created. All that has been done so far is tell the same story in 9 chapters over a period of 42 years. Most people don't have that long of an attention span and are growing impatient for new story. |
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Posted: 11/13/2019 10:01:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 9 year old me in 1977: "Mom, what is this movie about that we're going to see?" Mom: "Well...it's kind of like cowboys in space." Me: |
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Posted: 11/13/2019 10:13:15 AM EST
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Solo: A Star Wars Story Will Lose $50-80 Million, Analysts Blame Poor Marketing --link Here's to the analysts keeping their head up their @sses and the SJW's losing tens of millions more Quote HistoryQuoted:
Solo: A Star Wars Story Will Lose $50-80 Million, Analysts Blame Poor Marketing The big picture:
Disney paid cool 4 billion for the franchise. A completely safe long-term investment in index funds will bring 5-10% annually. Therefore, Star Wars needs to bring 600 million to 1 billion every year to be on par. Disney needs The Force Awakens kind of film every year. So far, the investment has been a colossal failure. Disney can eat the loss because of the Marvel movies, theme parks, etc, but Star Wars will be a case study in failure for years to come Here's to the analysts keeping their head up their @sses and the SJW's losing tens of millions more Star Wars Movies On Hiatus For Years Confirms Disney CEO Bob Iger |
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Posted: 11/13/2019 10:15:16 AM EST
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If every Star Wars movie was like rogue one I'd be a star wars fan. As it is I never have been a big fan and nowadays I could care less. I still watch Rogue One if it's on tv and I own it as well.
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Posted: 11/13/2019 10:15:53 AM EST
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Oh, so you think the Epic Adventure Saga that's been popular for, what, at least 5000 years that we know of, across all known cultures, has finally gotten 'stale?'
Star Wars' plot was highly derivative; it was always the special effects that made it notable. But that plot took itself way too seriously & disappeared up its own ass in subsequent years. Empire was the only one that approached something resembling 'epic' proportions, and largely because it's plot was simultaneously scattered across the cosmos --yet it just barely managed to connect them enough to be cohesive, which is *why* the movie feels as 'big' as it is. It's a very fine line to tread. Every subsequent story was even more scattered, and totally disjointed, which is why they are so unenjoyable. Even Jedi, though it's many parallel plot lines at least support a common goal throughout. |
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Posted: 11/13/2019 10:22:12 AM EST
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That was Firefly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: 9 year old me in 1977: "Mom, what is this movie about that we're going to see?" Mom: "Well...it's kind of like cowboys in space." Me: |
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