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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:25:01 PM EDT
Anyone else think these were kinda neat looking, and ahead of their time? I remember as a kid and playing with WWII solder sets, thinking that the German half-tracks looked so much neater than their US counterparts. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:29:20 PM EDT
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Yes
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:29:55 PM EDT
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I like the looks of them.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:30:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:31:16 PM EDT
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Germans had some Damn fine looking machines.
I always wondered how well they worked off road and how hard they are to steer... |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:31:17 PM EDT
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what was the point of them? any advantage to have wheels on the front as opposed to just having tracks?
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:32:22 PM EDT
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Almost space age compared to ours.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:35:30 PM EDT
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They weren't opposed to capturing one of ours-
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:40:00 PM EDT
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The Maultier was born when they grafted the suspension and track from a captured Bren Carrier on to a truck. They continued to produce the design because it was a cheap way to make something that would work in the Russian mud.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:42:19 PM EDT
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I wonder how well it would compare to one of our M113 APC's. Probably pretty well I bet.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:42:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:42:50 PM EDT
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The Krauts loved those things and they do look cool. They're just not that practical and very few armies field them in the modern era.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:43:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:43:32 PM EDT
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That old Hanomag was cool.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:43:52 PM EDT
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Agree. I always thought the smaller 250 was pretty sexy as well.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:43:56 PM EDT
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what was the point of them? any advantage to have wheels on the front as opposed to just having tracks? I've always liked them though. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:44:29 PM EDT
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The half track is awesome!
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:44:55 PM EDT
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Did Hugo Boss AG design them too?
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:47:58 PM EDT
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The Germans loved putting tracks on everything.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:48:29 PM EDT
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With a 20mm-
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:49:25 PM EDT
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I've always wondered that too. I've always liked them though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what was the point of them? any advantage to have wheels on the front as opposed to just having tracks? I've always liked them though. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:50:48 PM EDT
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They weren't opposed to capturing one of ours- https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/usa/armoured-vehicles/m3_halftrack/m3_halftrack-14.jpg Powered front axle, non-interleaved road wheels, and a unitary band track instead of metal links. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:51:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:52:01 PM EDT
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I bet maintenance on the road wheels would suck. Having to remove two wheels to access the rear one seems like a lot of extra work.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:54:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:54:41 PM EDT
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what was the point of them? any advantage to have wheels on the front as opposed to just having tracks? The Germans loved their interleaved road wheels but it was a stupid design. Mud builds up between the wheels and freezes overnight, vehicle can't move in the morning. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:55:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:55:30 PM EDT
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Saw this one at a reenactment.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:55:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAn air mobile artillery tractor, also used as a plane tug.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 8:56:46 PM EDT
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They weren't opposed to capturing one of ours- https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/usa/armoured-vehicles/m3_halftrack/m3_halftrack-14.jpg  At least compaired to the 250/1 models. More horsepower, front wheel power, and more interior room.
ETA. sp |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:00:30 PM EDT
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I wonder how well it would compare to one of our M113 APC's. Probably pretty well I bet. I bet the old M113 is superior ....but the German machine looks much cooler. the 113 looks like it's exterior was designed at 16:25pm on a Friday . |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:02:31 PM EDT
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 Attached FileI started looking for this pic on my external hard drive 20 minutes ago. I couldn't remember what it said, so I just went through old saved pics. Holy fuck there are some goodies in there from over the years.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:05:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Saw this one at a reenactment.
http://i.imgur.com/icSbA4o.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zLMo2bZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1fvj4RR.jpg |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:06:23 PM EDT
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Sloped armor. Our designers never thought of that?
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:06:35 PM EDT
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Double tap
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:06:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:08:22 PM EDT
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Because ours were better At least compaired to the 250/1 models. More horsepower, front wheel power, and more interior room.
ETA. sp Ours were better. Theirs didn’t have front wheel drive. Ours did. And was more powerful. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:10:53 PM EDT
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That is what I understand as well. Ours were better. Theirs didn’t have front wheel drive. Ours did. And was more powerful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because ours were better At least compaired to the 250/1 models. More horsepower, front wheel power, and more interior room.
ETA. sp Ours were better. Theirs didn’t have front wheel drive. Ours did. And was more powerful. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:13:23 PM EDT
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They drove/rode great from what I read, better than ours, but ours were much easier to build. They all burn the same on the battlefield.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:17:00 PM EDT
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I bet maintenance on the road wheels would suck. Having to remove two wheels to access the rear one seems like a lot of extra work. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:19:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAnd almost always with those silly interleaved road wheels.
Break the inner wheel and you have an unnecessarily complicated repair job. German engineers love to over complicate things. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:20:08 PM EDT
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Sloped armor. Our designers never thought of that? We had a war to win 
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That costs money and time. We had a war to win |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:25:23 PM EDT
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I've driven a fully converted Czech OT-210 to SdzKfz251 specs. Steering wheel is kinda weird, angled downward from top of the steering wheel closest to the driver angled forward and towards driver's feet, so all u really can grab is 10 to 2 o'clock.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:26:07 PM EDT
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I think the point of wheels was the wheels steered; no complicated steering of the tracks. The benefit of the tracks was they lowered ground pressure so the vehicle didn't sink in the mud and get stuck like a fully-wheeled vehicle would.
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:27:32 PM EDT
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Cool thread
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:31:16 PM EDT
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I think the point of wheels was the wheels steered; no complicated steering of the tracks. The benefit of the tracks was they lowered ground pressure so the vehicle didn't sink in the mud and get stuck like a fully-wheeled vehicle would. They were an interesting idea, and damn cool to look at, but an evolutionary dead end. Pretty much nobody is fielding half tracks anymore. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:34:22 PM EDT
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Germany had hundreds of thousands of Tabun loaded bombs stored in bunkers in the black forest that they never resorted to using. Had they, the outcome would have likely been quite different. Thank God we had God and the Soviets on our side. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:36:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone had gas and nobody wanted to use it and it sure as shit wouldn't have saved Germany had they. 
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:36:54 PM EDT
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Everyone had gas and nobody wanted to use it and it sure as shit wouldn't have saved Germany had they. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Germany had hundreds of thousands of Tabun loaded bombs stored in bunkers in the black forest that they never resorted to using. Had they, the outcome would have likely been quite different. Thank God we had God and the Soviets on our side. There's no alternate universe in which Germany wins that war, aside from not fighting a war on two fronts. |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:40:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. At best it might have kept them in the war long enough to get nuked. There's no alternate universe in which Germany wins that war, aside from not fighting a war on two fronts. ETA. For the record, the Sd.Kfz.250/251 were sexy as fuck Hugo Bosssssss.......
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