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Link Posted: 11/29/2009 9:23:43 PM EDT
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So my question is, what can we do to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

With all the people on AR15.com we must be able to come up with a plan that we could bring to our elected officials that may help the growing gun violence problem.

I, like most of you, don’t want to be finger printed or back round checked anymore. Some people feel this is an invasion of their privacy. I’m not sure I have an opinion on these kinds of practices but giving any of my personal information out seems to me like a bad idea.

Just so you know, I am a 30 something white guy with a wife and 2 young kids. I’m a hard working, gun loving, tax paying, family man who does run to his gun and bible when the shit gets bad.

So let’s do this, let’s get some ideas together for a plan that we would stand behind, because if we don’t do something the elected officials may try and put together a plan of their own and I know none of you want any part of that.


zimpete



There is no "growing gun violence problem.".

If you are concerned about "guns on the street", why don't you go sweep them up? I'll take as many bags as you sweep up, at $120 a bagful.

Go back to the double rifle hunting board, or DU, and whither away there in your own fetid vapors.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 9:24:19 PM EDT
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How can you help keep guns off the streets?
Buy as many for yourself as you can!


I'm trying to but the wife doesn't make enough money.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 9:26:32 PM EDT
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So my question is, what can we do to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

With all the people on AR15.com we must be able to come up with a plan that we could bring to our elected officials that may help the growing gun violence problem.

I, like most of you, don’t want to be finger printed or back round checked anymore. Some people feel this is an invasion of their privacy. I’m not sure I have an opinion on these kinds of practices but giving any of my personal information out seems to me like a bad idea.

Just so you know, I am a 30 something white guy with a wife and 2 young kids. I’m a hard working, gun loving, tax paying, family man who does run to his gun and bible when the shit gets bad.

So let’s do this, let’s get some ideas together for a plan that we would stand behind, because if we don’t do something the elected officials may try and put together a plan of their own and I know none of you want any part of that.


zimpete



There is no "growing gun violence problem.".

If you are concerned about "guns on the street", why don't you go sweep them up? I'll take as many bags as you sweep up, at $120 a bagful.

Go back to the double rifle hunting board, or DU, and whither away there in your own fetid vapors.


WOW, sorry man!
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 9:29:30 PM EDT
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So my question is, what can we do to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

With all the people on AR15.com we must be able to come up with a plan that we could bring to our elected officials that may help the growing gun violence problem.

I, like most of you, don’t want to be finger printed or back round checked anymore. Some people feel this is an invasion of their privacy. I’m not sure I have an opinion on these kinds of practices but giving any of my personal information out seems to me like a bad idea.

Just so you know, I am a 30 something white guy with a wife and 2 young kids. I’m a hard working, gun loving, tax paying, family man who does run to his gun and bible when the shit gets bad.

So let’s do this, let’s get some ideas together for a plan that we would stand behind, because if we don’t do something the elected officials may try and put together a plan of their own and I know none of you want any part of that.


zimpete



There is no "growing gun violence problem.".

If you are concerned about "guns on the street", why don't you go sweep them up? I'll take as many bags as you sweep up, at $120 a bagful.

Go back to the double rifle hunting board, or DU, and whither away there in your own fetid vapors.


WOW, sorry man!


Why apologize? Get to sweeping all those guns up "off the street" before our kids pick them up and turn into Eazy-E from touching them. I'm paying you.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 9:32:26 PM EDT
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So my question is, what can we do to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

With all the people on AR15.com we must be able to come up with a plan that we could bring to our elected officials that may help the growing gun violence problem.

I, like most of you, don’t want to be finger printed or back round checked anymore. Some people feel this is an invasion of their privacy. I’m not sure I have an opinion on these kinds of practices but giving any of my personal information out seems to me like a bad idea.

Just so you know, I am a 30 something white guy with a wife and 2 young kids. I’m a hard working, gun loving, tax paying, family man who does run to his gun and bible when the shit gets bad.

So let’s do this, let’s get some ideas together for a plan that we would stand behind, because if we don’t do something the elected officials may try and put together a plan of their own and I know none of you want any part of that.


zimpete



There is no "growing gun violence problem.".

If you are concerned about "guns on the street", why don't you go sweep them up? I'll take as many bags as you sweep up, at $120 a bagful.

Go back to the double rifle hunting board, or DU, and whither away there in your own fetid vapors.


WOW, sorry man!


Why apologize? Get to sweeping all those guns up "off the street" before our kids pick them up and turn into Eazy-E from touching them. I'm paying you.


I don't think my boys will turn into Eazy-E, I'm trying to teach them respect.  I don't understand the "I'm paying you" part?
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 9:37:16 PM EDT
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So my question is, what can we do to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

With all the people on AR15.com we must be able to come up with a plan that we could bring to our elected officials that may help the growing gun violence problem.

I, like most of you, don’t want to be finger printed or back round checked anymore. Some people feel this is an invasion of their privacy. I’m not sure I have an opinion on these kinds of practices but giving any of my personal information out seems to me like a bad idea.

Just so you know, I am a 30 something white guy with a wife and 2 young kids. I’m a hard working, gun loving, tax paying, family man who does run to his gun and bible when the shit gets bad.

So let’s do this, let’s get some ideas together for a plan that we would stand behind, because if we don’t do something the elected officials may try and put together a plan of their own and I know none of you want any part of that.


zimpete



There is no "growing gun violence problem.".

If you are concerned about "guns on the street", why don't you go sweep them up? I'll take as many bags as you sweep up, at $120 a bagful.

Go back to the double rifle hunting board, or DU, and whither away there in your own fetid vapors.


WOW, sorry man!


Why apologize? Get to sweeping all those guns up "off the street" before our kids pick them up and turn into Eazy-E from touching them. I'm paying you.


I don't think my boys will turn into Eazy-E, I'm trying to teach them respect.  I don't understand the "I'm paying you" part?


Reading is fundamental. Read what I wrote again. Then go back to whatever leftist hole you crawled out of. How much does Holder pay you per post?

Link Posted: 11/29/2009 9:46:43 PM EDT
[#7]
Go troll somewhere else...

The numbers show that more guns = less crime no matter how you look at it.

If you and all of your liberal sissy buddies want the "guns off the street", go vigilante style and run through the hood with a pick-up bed full of hunters while playing "sweet home alabama" on the truck's stereo and shoot back at everyone that shoots at you.  That will take a bite out of crime.

Let me know how that works out for you.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 9:52:59 PM EDT
[#8]
the problem is these are the same criminals that commit crimes over and over again.....

we used to punish crime, and now we just see jails and prisons as a problem because they cost too much..... so we let criminals out early, make them do a 3 day class and call the "rehabilitated", then they get out and deal more dope and make more money to buy illegal guns.

these days the criminals that are "career" do maybe three months out of a year in jail, but they make several hundred thousand dollars a year when they are out.........

we have made crime more profitable than doing a good hard days work, and the penalties are soooo light the criminals don't care, its a joke to them........
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 9:54:30 PM EDT
[#9]
Fuck it, I'm sorry I even asked the question. If everyone is going to get pissed off and throw mud at someone for just asking a simple fucking question than I'll never ask again. I see most people here feel we cannot do anything. I don't feel that way, but I can see no one here is willing to stand together and try to make a differance!
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 10:03:06 PM EDT
[#10]
Wow, guess the DU troll academy has lowered exit standards.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 10:10:30 PM EDT
[#11]
Hire a gun salesman of the year, increase the number of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens and violent crime will drop.

Wait, that's already happening....

I would suggest not to change a thing except label gun grabbers as traitors and ship them off to some safe place like the one we fled from 250 years ago.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 10:10:34 PM EDT
[#12]
I'd rather see some of the billions being thrown down a rat hole be used to build more prisons.  A national 3 strikes you're out of here.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 10:13:28 PM EDT
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. I see most people here feel we cannot do anything. !


Actually, that's not quite true.

Most of the members here are also members of the NRA and/or GOA. Many donate significant amounts to these organizations.

Many members here also spend considerable time lobbying for Pro 2A legislation and against poor legislation.

Perhaps as important, many members spend time educating people as to the real causes of crime. Again, the problem is not the quantity of guns in circulation.

And again, the solution is not more regulations on firearms. We have seen time and time again that no regulation will prevent a motivated person from obtaining a firearm. Unfortunately, many people don't realize that you can't repeal the law of supply and demand.

-Z
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 10:14:28 PM EDT
[#14]
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Fuck it, I'm sorry I even asked the question. If everyone is going to get pissed off and throw mud at someone for just asking a simple fucking question than I'll never ask again. I see most people here feel we cannot do anything. I don't feel that way, but I can see no one here is willing to stand together and try to make a differance!


BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!

Link Posted: 11/29/2009 10:14:31 PM EDT
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Fuck it, I'm sorry I even asked the question. If everyone is going to get pissed off and throw mud at someone for just asking a simple fucking question than I'll never ask again. I see most people here feel we cannot do anything. I don't feel that way, but I can see no one here is willing to stand together and try to make a differance!


Most people arent reading the entire thread before responding, just responding to your OP.  The truth is, nothing will change for the better for gun rights as long as we cater to the left.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 10:17:45 PM EDT
[#16]
The problem with "getting guns off the streets" is that you are only getting MANUFACTURED guns off the streets. Guns, even repeaters, are not especially difficult to make.

If you doubt me, go look at the design of a Pepperbox pistol and get back to me. I'm sure a dozen or more members can tell us of even easier, more capable designs.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 10:49:29 PM EDT
[#17]



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Any law that preemptively addresses an act invariably leads to abuse of power and denial of rights.

The basic solution to criminals and guns is simple.....criminals that use firearms for violence should

be removed from society permanently....by any means that society feels is justified.



That could be death, incarceration or exile.....if someone is walking our streets that should not be

allowed to own a gun due to criminal inclinations that person should not be walking our streets....

EVER.


+1
 
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 10:58:34 PM EDT
[#18]
Keep criminals in jail. There, problem solved. Make life in prison a 2 strike thing.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 11:00:23 PM EDT
[#19]
It's far too late for that.  All you can do now is arm EVERYONE.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 11:01:54 PM EDT
[#20]
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Keep criminals in jail. There, problem solved. Make life in prison a 2 strike thing.


So, let me get this straight....you're advocating housing, feeding, clothing, and entertaining criminals for life off of the backs of the working man, correct? While they are eating food they did not earn, sleeping whenever they want, and cumming with their buddies all day long, do you think we could throw in SOME form of punishment? I mean REAL punishment?
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 11:02:56 PM EDT
[#21]
The only way I can think of that involves passing laws and controlling people besides putting more people in prison and keeping them there, boarders on registration.  Which is something we don't want.  

So the trade off is trying to protect gun owners by allowing only approved purchasers to buy guns and then holding them accountable to what happens to the gun after they get rid of them.

I think if you really wanted to lower a lot of the gun crime in the US you need to make drugs legal and availible to the people who want them.  Drugs having such a high value compared to the consequences of getting caught is what is driving the gang violence and causing the gun violence to be so prominent.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 11:04:24 PM EDT
[#22]
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With all the people on AR15.com we must be able to come up with a plan that we could bring to our elected officials that may help the growing gun violence problem.


Please cite your source that shows we have a "growing gun violence problem."

Link Posted: 11/29/2009 11:05:06 PM EDT
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Zimpete,

All the catch phrases you wrote in your original post read like someone from an anti-gun camp.

People who value the second amendment don't usually use clichés like "growing gun violence problem."

I view you with distrust.


That's funny, what kind of proof do you need?


There is no proof that can possibly show that guns, or even access to guns makes people do bad things. The guns aren't the problem, more laws won't fix the problem. Removing the killers and spoilers from our society, that fixes it.



I understand, I wanted to know how can I prove to you I am not from some sort of anti-gun camp? I think I used the catch phrases becasue it's what we all hear on the news.


Well ...why don't you tell us a little about your self with heavy emphisis on the guns that you own for starters, and we'll take it from there.


Fuck that, I want a picture with at least 3 guns in it, and tomorrow's paper.  Make it an easy to find paper, so we can verify it hasn't been photoshopped.  Also, the photo needs toes.  And his face.  And maybe a fucking anteater.
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 11:06:32 PM EDT
[#24]
Weird how the OP reads like it was slapped together out of VPC talking points.

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I’m a hard working, gun loving, tax paying, family man who does run to his gun and bible when the shit gets bad.




zimpete



Are you fucking serious?  You sound just like a DUbot trying to "blend in" with the "brainless rednecks"
Link Posted: 11/29/2009 11:08:15 PM EDT
[#25]
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I see most people here feel we cannot do anything. I don't feel that way, but I can see no one here is willing to stand together and try to make a differance![/span]


Oh, shut the fuck up already.

...and it's "difference", BTW.
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 10:51:02 AM EDT
[#26]
Bump...the day crew should see the win within!
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 10:54:53 AM EDT
[#27]
What color is the boathouse at Hereford?
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 10:55:19 AM EDT
[#28]





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So my question is, what can we do to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?





Cut off the hands of said criminals?





Fuckin Duh. It will work, eliminates the need for any gun control whatsoever.





You get caught, you get convicted of a violent felony, we surgically remove a hand and you go serve your time.





You get caught again, we surgically remove a foot and you go serve your time





You get caught again, we surgically remove your head.





 
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:04:13 AM EDT
[#29]
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Execute murderers, muggers, robbers, rapists, and gang members. Deport illegal aliens and prevent them from entering. Nationwide CCW and open carry, no license.

There, problem solved.

I don't agree with executing gang members unless they have committed a crime other than being in a gang. Right to assembly and all.
 


Duly noted.


   I disagree, "I see a man wearing a red sash, and I kill the man wearin it"  worked in Tombstone. A proud member of a gang is flaunting their criminal lifestyle for all to see.
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:05:10 AM EDT
[#30]
The best way to get illegal guns off the street is by putting more legal ones there.
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:08:53 AM EDT
[#31]
Guns off of the street ARE the problem.  Various jurisdictions have made self defense a crime and are doing their best to criminalize private ownership of firearms.  Our goal SHOULD be to get more guns ON the street.  An armed society is a polite society.
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:11:55 AM EDT
[#32]
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:14:11 AM EDT
[#33]
There shouldn't be any guns on the street.  If they're on the street then they're getting scratched up, next they start rusting, and before you know it you end up with a worthless hunk of metal.  Guns belong stored in climate-controlled environments like your home, or at the very least in a good holster when carrying it for self-defense.  

Now, if the OP wants to address the problem of preventing felons from committing more mayhem once released from prison, then the answer is simple: build more prisons, don't commute sentences, etc.
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:15:43 AM EDT
[#34]





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There shouldn't be any guns on the street.  If they're on the street then they're getting scratched up, next they start rusting, and before you know it you end up with a worthless hunk of metal.  Guns belong stored in climate-controlled environments like your home, or at the very least in a good holster when carrying it for self-defense.  







Now, if the OP wants to address the problem of preventing felons from committing more mayhem once released from prison, then the answer is simple: build more prisons, don't commute sentences, etc.





Helps you get that tacti-cool operator look if you leave them lying around in gutters and stuff for a while.

 






"Yeah...I used this very Glock 17 in Nam...."




Edit: Oh and "building more prisons" isn't helpful or necessary. Change the bullshit laws that allow violent evil people to prey on others and then do a little stint in a FREE HOUSING FACILITY that's got more cable channels than I FUCKING DO.

 
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:16:45 AM EDT
[#35]
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:28:50 AM EDT
[#36]
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There are more people killed each year by cars and trucks (by a large factor) than all the murders committed with firearms. And yet. And yet nobody is calling for more car and truck control.

The problem is that if you focus on the tool rather than the tool user you've got a problem. Rational and thinking people focus on the criminal, not the tools used in their crime. Nobody is calling for reasonable controls on digital cameras to cure the child phonograph problem. Nobody is requiring the registration of cigarette lighters or adding taggents to matches to control arson. Nobody has asked for DNA samples from every man to help solve rape cases or asked that penises be kept under lock-n-key (save some wives!). There's not a ten day waiting period on sport bikes or sport cars. Nobody is limiting chocolate bars or Twinkies to control obesity. And yet 20,000 laws aren't even enough to begin to "infringe" on the rights of the law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms.

If tomorrow Saint Peter were to come down to the streets of Los Angeles and blow his magic horn and cause all firearms to disappear - in the hands of cops, citizens, and criminals ... I'm willing to bet my life that within 24 hours we'd had recorded the first drive-by spear chucking and have at least a handful of banks robbed with bats and clubs by the end of the week.

Don't do drugs, don't hang out with others who do, and don't screw with other peoples ... people, and you're risk for getting shot lowers by a huge factor. Don't be a cop, and don't work at a stop-n-rob and that risk lowers by another factor. Stay out of drug infested areas (re: ghetto/barrio/slums) after dark and your chance of getting shot is so damn close to nothing as to be nil. You're almost as likely to get hit by lightening.


Sorry, I just can't help myself here .

Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:36:43 AM EDT
[#37]


i think if every law abiding and responsible citizen got a ccw and new how to use it crime would be near non existant, especially if we had nation wide castle doctrine.


Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:37:09 AM EDT
[#38]
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Zimpete,

All the catch phrases you wrote in your original post read like someone from an anti-gun camp.

People who value the second amendment don't usually use clichés like "growing gun violence problem."

I view you with distrust.


That's funny, what kind of proof do you need?


There is no proof that can possibly show that guns, or even access to guns makes people do bad things. The guns aren't the problem, more laws won't fix the problem. Removing the killers and spoilers from our society, that fixes it.



I understand, I wanted to know how can I prove to you I am not from some sort of anti-gun camp? I think I used the catch phrases becasue it's what we all hear on the news.


Who is this "we" you refer to? Quit watching MSNBC & CNN for starters...
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:38:35 AM EDT
[#39]
The best way to get "guns off the streets"?  Besides that being a liberal talking point, the better question would be "how to end violence?"

The best way would be to invent replicators, ending society as we know it.  With every want and desire fulfilled humanity will be forced to evolve and find ways to better themselves as people.
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 11:55:39 AM EDT
[#40]
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I understand, I wanted to know how can I prove to you I am not from some sort of anti-gun camp? I think I used the catch phrases becasue it's what we all hear on the news.


Your first step is to stop listening to the MM propaganda machine.

Link Posted: 11/30/2009 12:01:58 PM EDT
[#41]
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Any law that preemptively addresses an act invariably leads to abuse of power and denial of rights.


That is absolutely true.

In a free society, bad things can and do happen.  It's part of the risk.  

Those that perpetrate such acts must be punished AFTER the fact.  

Laws should NOT prevent people from being able to defend themselves and their families at any time and in any place.





Link Posted: 11/30/2009 12:04:18 PM EDT
[#42]
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So my question is, what can we do to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

With all the people on AR15.com we must be able to come up with a plan that we could bring to our elected officials that may help the growing gun violence problem.

I, like most of you, don’t want to be finger printed or back round checked anymore. Some people feel this is an invasion of their privacy. I’m not sure I have an opinion on these kinds of practices but giving any of my personal information out seems to me like a bad idea.

Just so you know, I am a 30 something white guy with a wife and 2 young kids. I’m a hard working, gun loving, tax paying, family man who does run to his gun and bible when the shit gets bad.

So let’s do this, let’s get some ideas together for a plan that we would stand behind, because if we don’t do something the elected officials may try and put together a plan of their own and I know none of you want any part of that.

zimpete



You may or may not know this:  You are a sissy liberal.  I don't mean this as an insult, but that is the point of view you are coming from.  as others have pointed out the world has always been dangerous. the worries of the day are always changing. Aids-bubonic plague-Attila the hun- Osama Bin Laden.  

How often do you hear shots on your street?  I rarely hear shots and never close by.  why? because it isn't that common.  Even in the worst neighborhood of Omaha there aren't shootings every day , but there are car crashes, heart attacks and a ton of other bad things every day.





Link Posted: 11/30/2009 12:05:18 PM EDT
[#43]



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we must be able to come up with a plan that we could bring to our elected officials that may help the growing gun violence problem.







Oh, I dunno...





Maybe enforce the goddamn laws, and once violent offenders are locked up...

STOP FUCKING PARDONING THEM AND SHIT



 
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 12:05:22 PM EDT
[#44]



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Execute murderers, muggers, robbers, rapists, and gang members. Deport illegal aliens and prevent them from entering. Nationwide CCW and open carry, no license.



There, problem solved.






 
Link Posted: 11/30/2009 12:07:25 PM EDT
[#45]
Criminal justice system needs to be refocused on protecting society and law-abiding citizens rather than the attempted rehabilitation of criminals.  "three strikes and you're out" need to be "three strikes and you're executed".  

Link Posted: 11/30/2009 12:07:51 PM EDT
[#46]
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Rest assured, my suspicious friend; If ever a day comes in which I find guns in the street, they will be promptly given a safe home, post haste!


+1.

The only time guns should be in the street is when you are throwing them down the driveway to get that "used" look....

Link Posted: 11/30/2009 12:14:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Here's an idea.  Leave the guns and get the criminals off the street.





Link Posted: 11/30/2009 12:15:35 PM EDT
[#48]
My solution to keeping guns out of the hands of criminals:


  1. Shoot gun-wielding criminal in head.

  2. Remove gun from dead criminal's hand.

  3. Rinse and repeat.

Link Posted: 11/30/2009 12:21:11 PM EDT
[#49]
This is of what our streets should look like if we want to reduce crime (not get guns off the street, what a fucking tool).

.

Link Posted: 11/30/2009 12:23:06 PM EDT
[#50]
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Fuck it, I'm sorry I even asked the question. If everyone is going to get pissed off and throw mud at someone for just asking a simple fucking question than I'll never ask again. I see most people here feel we cannot do anything. I don't feel that way, but I can see no one here is willing to stand together and try to make a differance!


You posted what is, for all intents, talking points from Sarah Brady, and you're acting all butt hurt because you got caught? Exactly how stupid do you think we are?

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