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Posted: 3/5/2016 3:55:41 PM EDT
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Demagnetize our cities and states. No drivers/business licenses. No social services/welfare/food-stamps. Stiff fines for employers. No more anchor babies/bastardization of the 14thA. Most will self-deport. Look, if you don't think he finally got tired and disgusted with how this country/politicians operate then you can pull up all kinds of baggage. He's discussed it and we've all heard it before. Dogging a candidate in the Primaries is fair game but if one continues doing it after a candidate has been chosen motives come into play. Good luck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What good is a sanctuary city if all illegals have been deported. Billionaires play by the rules set up by our policy makers. There was a time when Gates was not political. He found out the hard way that he had to spread the wealth. Trump has already flip-flopped on his "deport them all..." And... He is not going to do it... He has already flip-flopped on this issue.. He is not going to do it... But lets say he does.... How would he be able to do it without expanding the role, power, and expense of the Federal government... Yes... He has already flip-flopped on this... But lets say he flip-flops back... How would he deport 20 million people, and not order "Martial Law" (an enemy of conservative ideals). How could he do it, and not expand the role, power, and expense of the Federal Government. I don't think he could do it without activating the US Military on American soil... That should scare the socks off of *any* *real* conservative... This is the kind of issue that shows who the real conservatives *really* are Demagnetize our cities and states. No drivers/business licenses. No social services/welfare/food-stamps. Stiff fines for employers. No more anchor babies/bastardization of the 14thA. Most will self-deport. Look, if you don't think he finally got tired and disgusted with how this country/politicians operate then you can pull up all kinds of baggage. He's discussed it and we've all heard it before. Dogging a candidate in the Primaries is fair game but if one continues doing it after a candidate has been chosen motives come into play. Good luck. Require students (primary through college) to provide a valid birth certificate indicating they are a legal U.S. citizen or a current visa. It's currently against federal law to even ask a student if they are in this country legally. 
This alone will reduce overcrowding in our schools, increase achievement test scores, reduce the number of new schools being built, reduce the load on the tax payer at local and state levels, reduce the number of annoying levy commercials leading up to voting day (am I right?) and finally, increase the overall quality of education for everyone. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 3:56:36 PM EDT
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So he is mad because Trump will say anything to appease people, just like Beck will?
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Posted: 3/5/2016 3:58:29 PM EDT
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Trump said, "deport them all." Socialist retards who can't wrap their heads around logistics went nuts at thoughts of armed-troops going door-to-door Nazi-style on American soil eliminating the rights of American citizens looking for non-citizens. None of the retards can add or subtract. They think it is cool that Trump wants to build a wall, and deport 20 million, all the while "Sanctuary-Cities" (that are supported by Trump) are still in-place. What a bunch of idiots. As long as there are sanctuary-cities, there will be illegals flocking here, and finding jobs, and not being deported.. Juni4ling Quote HistoryQuoted:
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 I see zero name calling. You don't like the fact that you're wrong.Trump said, "deport them all." Socialist retards who can't wrap their heads around logistics went nuts at thoughts of armed-troops going door-to-door Nazi-style on American soil eliminating the rights of American citizens looking for non-citizens. None of the retards can add or subtract. They think it is cool that Trump wants to build a wall, and deport 20 million, all the while "Sanctuary-Cities" (that are supported by Trump) are still in-place. What a bunch of idiots. As long as there are sanctuary-cities, there will be illegals flocking here, and finding jobs, and not being deported.. Juni4ling And your going to go on the record that socialist aren't retarded? Socialism is the antithesis of our Constitution. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 3:59:55 PM EDT
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How do you know what's in the off the record recording? Fox News and Cruz were both horrible for planting that in folks minds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd find out really fast if he released that off the record recording that he acknowledged existed at the debate, but just like releasing his taxes he's pretending he doesn't know how things actually work. How do you know what's in the off the record recording? Fox News and Cruz were both horrible for planting that in folks minds. Planting it in folks minds? He admitted there was a recording on stage during the debate, but he wouldn't release it. TRUMP: I don't know exactly what -- when you talk about off the record. First of all, Buzzfeed? They were the ones that said under no circumstances will I run for president. And were they wrong. But a lot of people said that.
Then, I did have a meeting with the editorial board of the New York Times, a very nice meeting. Many of those things were off the record, I think at their suggestion and my suggestion. And I think being off the record is a very important thing. I think it's a very, very powerful thing. And I will say this. These three gentlemen have gone off the record many times with reporters. And I think they want to honor it, and I would always honor that. I will say, though, in terms of immigration -- and almost anything else -- there always has to be some, you know, tug and pull and deal. And, you know, when I watch Ted stand on the Senate floor, I had great respect for what he did. He stood there for a day-and-a- half or something. In the meantime, what came of it? Nothing. You have to be able to have some flexibility, some negotiation. Now, sometimes you ask for more than you want and you negotiate down to the point. I may have discussed something like that with the New York Times, but I would never release off-the-record conversations. I don't think it's fair, frankly, to do that to anybody. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:09:07 PM EDT
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Planting it in folks minds? He admitted there was a recording on stage during the debate, but he wouldn't release it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd find out really fast if he released that off the record recording that he acknowledged existed at the debate, but just like releasing his taxes he's pretending he doesn't know how things actually work. How do you know what's in the off the record recording? Fox News and Cruz were both horrible for planting that in folks minds. Planting it in folks minds? He admitted there was a recording on stage during the debate, but he wouldn't release it. TRUMP: I don't know exactly what -- when you talk about off the record. First of all, Buzzfeed? They were the ones that said under no circumstances will I run for president. And were they wrong. But a lot of people said that.
Then, I did have a meeting with the editorial board of the New York Times, a very nice meeting. Many of those things were off the record, I think at their suggestion and my suggestion. And I think being off the record is a very important thing. I think it's a very, very powerful thing. And I will say this. These three gentlemen have gone off the record many times with reporters. And I think they want to honor it, and I would always honor that. I will say, though, in terms of immigration -- and almost anything else -- there always has to be some, you know, tug and pull and deal. And, you know, when I watch Ted stand on the Senate floor, I had great respect for what he did. He stood there for a day-and-a- half or something. In the meantime, what came of it? Nothing. You have to be able to have some flexibility, some negotiation. Now, sometimes you ask for more than you want and you negotiate down to the point. I may have discussed something like that with the New York Times, but I would never release off-the-record conversations. I don't think it's fair, frankly, to do that to anybody. All candidates should release their off the record conversations. That would be interesting. In fact Cruz should announce all of his off the record comments should be released. Then he could go after Trump ! |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:16:17 PM EDT
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I like having conversations and reading others points of view. That's what makes GD great. But it's not much fun when guys like you call people names because they don't agree. The stuff you wrote are your feeling and not based on actual facts. Have fun bud.  I also like GD. But Trump has been pushing socialism as a candidate since 1988. That is a long time. For folks who support his liberal agenda and socialist platform to claim that he simply does not get it, but he is an intelligent person is ridiculous... He *does* get it. He is lying to you. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:20:02 PM EDT
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All candidates should release their off the record conversations. That would be interesting. In fact Cruz should announce all of his off the record comments should be released. Then he could go after Trump ! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd find out really fast if he released that off the record recording that he acknowledged existed at the debate, but just like releasing his taxes he's pretending he doesn't know how things actually work. How do you know what's in the off the record recording? Fox News and Cruz were both horrible for planting that in folks minds. Planting it in folks minds? He admitted there was a recording on stage during the debate, but he wouldn't release it. TRUMP: I don't know exactly what -- when you talk about off the record. First of all, Buzzfeed? They were the ones that said under no circumstances will I run for president. And were they wrong. But a lot of people said that.
Then, I did have a meeting with the editorial board of the New York Times, a very nice meeting. Many of those things were off the record, I think at their suggestion and my suggestion. And I think being off the record is a very important thing. I think it's a very, very powerful thing. And I will say this. These three gentlemen have gone off the record many times with reporters. And I think they want to honor it, and I would always honor that. I will say, though, in terms of immigration -- and almost anything else -- there always has to be some, you know, tug and pull and deal. And, you know, when I watch Ted stand on the Senate floor, I had great respect for what he did. He stood there for a day-and-a- half or something. In the meantime, what came of it? Nothing. You have to be able to have some flexibility, some negotiation. Now, sometimes you ask for more than you want and you negotiate down to the point. I may have discussed something like that with the New York Times, but I would never release off-the-record conversations. I don't think it's fair, frankly, to do that to anybody. All candidates should release their off the record conversations. That would be interesting. In fact Cruz should announce all of his off the record comments should be released. Then he could go after Trump ! They all released their tax returns. What's wrong with Trump? The IRS said he could regardless of if he was being audited. Trump is pretending like he can't release a recording that is likely highly damaging to his narrative. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:21:37 PM EDT
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Trump said, "deport them all." Socialist retards who can't wrap their heads around logistics went nuts at thoughts of armed-troops going door-to-door Nazi-style on American soil eliminating the rights of American citizens looking for non-citizens. None of the retards can add or subtract. They think it is cool that Trump wants to build a wall, and deport 20 million, all the while "Sanctuary-Cities" (that are supported by Trump) are still in-place. What a bunch of idiots. As long as there are sanctuary-cities, there will be illegals flocking here, and finding jobs, and not being deported.. Juni4ling Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see zero name calling. You don't like the fact that you're wrong.Trump said, "deport them all." Socialist retards who can't wrap their heads around logistics went nuts at thoughts of armed-troops going door-to-door Nazi-style on American soil eliminating the rights of American citizens looking for non-citizens. None of the retards can add or subtract. They think it is cool that Trump wants to build a wall, and deport 20 million, all the while "Sanctuary-Cities" (that are supported by Trump) are still in-place. What a bunch of idiots. As long as there are sanctuary-cities, there will be illegals flocking here, and finding jobs, and not being deported.. Juni4ling I do admit to saying that only Democrat-plants, socialists and retards can support Trumps liberal agenda and socialist platform. I do admit to saying that. I do admit to saying and thinking that it is idiotic to build a wall while endorsing and supporting "sanctuary cities." I do admit to saying that it would be retarded to support building a wall, while also supporting a candidate who supports "sanctuary cities." I do not regret writing it. I honestly believe it takes a certain kind of stupid to support a candidate who supports sanctuary-cities and then turns around and says they are going to deport 20 million illegals and build a wall. It takes a certain level of mental gymnastics to *believe* Trump is not lying through both sides of his mouth... But if it prevented someone from feeling like they could honestly participate in honest back-and-forths, then I feel bad about that. I enjoy discussion, and I enjoy honest back and forths... |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:24:11 PM EDT
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I also like GD. But Trump has been pushing socialism as a candidate since 1988. That is a long time. For folks who support his liberal agenda and socialist platform to claim that he simply does not get it, but he is an intelligent person is ridiculous... He *does* get it. He is lying to you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like having conversations and reading others points of view. That's what makes GD great. But it's not much fun when guys like you call people names because they don't agree. The stuff you wrote are your feeling and not based on actual facts. Have fun bud. I also like GD. But Trump has been pushing socialism as a candidate since 1988. That is a long time. For folks who support his liberal agenda and socialist platform to claim that he simply does not get it, but he is an intelligent person is ridiculous... He *does* get it. He is lying to you. Do you think a president Cruz would compromise his constitutional position on issues? And if he does compromise would you label him a sellout? Cruz has held firm on his positions in the senate and as a result he has accomplished very little. Cruz needs to explain what he will do with 100 million people on public assistance and what he would do with the millions of misplaced government workers that will necessarily be out of a job as Cruz shrinks the government. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:26:27 PM EDT
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Require students (primary through college) to provide a valid birth certificate indicating they are a legal U.S. citizen or a current visa. It's currently against federal law to even ask a student if they are in this country legally.
This alone will reduce overcrowding in our schools, increase achievement test scores, reduce the number of new schools being built, reduce the load on the tax payer at local and state levels, reduce the number of annoying levy commercials leading up to voting day (am I right?) and finally, increase the overall quality of education for everyone. The (Trump-supported) "sanctuary cities" have already said that the Feds can make-up whatever rules they want... They won't enforce them. You can have a big-government enforcing big-government rules all day, it won't do a dang thing. Not a dang thing. You can have a tax-and-spend Fed government led by the most heavy-handed dictator ever elected... And it will not do a dang thing when individual states, and individual cities do not and will not enforce the Fed rules. Like I have already said... Trump has already changed his position. He isn't going to deport a soul. He is not going to fight Governors and Mayors. He will ***compromise*** with Governors and Mayors. He will raid a chicken processing plant, and deport 13 illegals based on the employers bad paperwork, and show up for a photo-op and call that a victory. As long as there are safe states and cities that will not enforce the Fed laws... Trump can make the Fed government as big and expensive as he wants... He isn't going to give folks what he originally claimed... |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:29:39 PM EDT
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Do you think a president Cruz would compromise his constitutional position on issues? And if he does compromise would you label him a sellout? Cruz has held firm on his positions in the senate and as a result he has accomplished very little. Cruz needs to explain what he will do with 100 million people on public assistance and what he would do with the millions of misplaced government workers that will necessarily be out of a job as Cruz shrinks the government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like having conversations and reading others points of view. That's what makes GD great. But it's not much fun when guys like you call people names because they don't agree. The stuff you wrote are your feeling and not based on actual facts. Have fun bud. I also like GD. But Trump has been pushing socialism as a candidate since 1988. That is a long time. For folks who support his liberal agenda and socialist platform to claim that he simply does not get it, but he is an intelligent person is ridiculous... He *does* get it. He is lying to you. Do you think a president Cruz would compromise his constitutional position on issues? And if he does compromise would you label him a sellout? Cruz has held firm on his positions in the senate and as a result he has accomplished very little. Cruz needs to explain what he will do with 100 million people on public assistance and what he would do with the millions of misplaced government workers that will necessarily be out of a job as Cruz shrinks the government. I would be critical if he started to sell out on his constitutional positions. He has yet to concern me so far. I'll take Cruz who could theoretically in some alternate reality screw us over versus someone who has been broadcasting on all channels that he will screw us over. I don't even know how Trump supporters somehow believe that Trump will reduce government power in any way. He doesn't think it's too powerful, he just thinks the wrong people are running it. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:33:32 PM EDT
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You can call Beck crazy but this is the same exact reason why I and many like me are anti Trump.  http://youtu.be/Jpf5BipKbh4Remember, GOLDLINE, for the best deal in gold bullion and coins, and, oh, by the way, Trump sucks and I gave Cruz George Washington's compass. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:45:31 PM EDT
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See I didn't know this. All I have heard him say was he would negotiate the height of the wall and allowing high skilled foreign workers to stay in the US. Could you post a link so I can read about his flip flop? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But in Trump's defense, many can't comprehend more than simple platitudes like "Make America Great Again" or "Build The Wall". Democrats have relied on that for years. "I love the poorly educated!" - Trump (2/24/2016). He sure does. No kidding. There are supporters of Trumps socialist platform right here still claiming that trump wants to deport 20 million illegals. Trump said, "deport them all." Socialist retards who can't wrap their heads around logistics went nuts at thoughts of armed-troops going door-to-door Nazi-style on American soil eliminating the rights of American citizens looking for non-citizens. None of the retards can add or subtract. They think it is cool that Trump wants to build a wall, and deport 20 million, all the while "Sanctuary-Cities" (that are supported by Trump) are still in-place. What a bunch of idiots. As long as there are sanctuary-cities, there will be illegals flocking here, and finding jobs, and not being deported. Trump isn't going to deport 20 million illegals. Or 10 million. Or 1 million. I doubt he'll deport a single one. Recent quotes from Trump on immigration. "I'm flexible". "I'm changing". It's amazing that people believe his impossible policy on illegals. On immigration, Trump is either an idiot and believes his plan is plausible. Or, Trump is a liar and never intended to enact his ridiculous plan. I think the latter is probably true. See I didn't know this. All I have heard him say was he would negotiate the height of the wall and allowing high skilled foreign workers to stay in the US. Could you post a link so I can read about his flip flop? I don't have time to link all of Trump's flip flops. If you think he hasn't flip flopped on pretty much every issue, you're clueless. Here's a list to start with: https://theopinionatedpatriot.wordpress.com/2016/01/29/vetting-trump-trumps-_numerous_-flip-flops/ If you're just talking about immigration: http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-donald-trump-amnesty-tweet-2016-1 Trump stated "Amnesty should be done..". Trump criticized Romney for being too tough on illegal immigration. But if you mean recently... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/29/trump-on-nyt-interview-leak-everythings-negotiable/ On Hannity, on when asked about the tape, I'm very aware of what he said. Did you listen to him carefully? "Things are negotiable. I'll be honest with you -- I'll make the wall two feet shorter, or something. I mean, everything's negotiable." I'll type that again. "...everything's negotiable". Are you really naive enough to believe he only means the height of the wall? He said EVERYTHING. http://freebeacon.com/politics/trump-softens-immigration-stance-visas-im-changing-im-changing/ At the debate: During the Republican debate Thursday night, Donald Trump was confronted by Megyn Kelly about his stance on H-1B visas, to which he responded with “I’m changing, I’m changing.” "Highly skilled people". Right... Honestly, do you really think those foreign workers at his Palm Beach club are "highly skilled people". I don't consider "waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers" highly skilled positions. Hear or see what you want. If you choose to remain blind to the facts and Trump's obvious flip flops, that's your choice. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:58:07 PM EDT
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They all flip flop. Everyone does it. It's how we survive and become successful.
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Posted: 3/5/2016 5:05:01 PM EDT
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They all flip flop. Everyone does it. It's how we survive and become successful. https://marcorubio.com/news/ted-cruz-flip-flop-marco-rubio-debate/ Flip flopping on policy is one thing. Flip flopping on principles is another. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 5:22:49 PM EDT
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Flip flopping on policy is one thing. Flip flopping on principles is another. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They all flip flop. Everyone does it. It's how we survive and become successful. https://marcorubio.com/news/ted-cruz-flip-flop-marco-rubio-debate/ Flip flopping on policy is one thing. Flip flopping on principles is another. You're linking Rubio's website? LOL. Those are a bunch of half-truth. I will admit that Cruz has rarely changed his policies on very specific topics. His principles of standing behind the US Constitution as his guide hasn't changed. Cruz has never supported abortion, gun control, or bigger government. He's never donated to Democrats. And he has never supported Hillary. Cruz has a more conservative record than almost anyone in office. https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard http://www.heritageactionscorecard.com/members Be honest. Where would Donald Trump be on those lists? |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 5:33:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBut those that bash Trump claim that him changing his opinion on matters is sham and is lying. But Beck doing so is because he's patriotic and an American. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 5:49:42 PM EDT
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They all flip flop. Everyone does it. It's how we survive and become successful. Trumps slogan for his liberal agenda and socialist platform" "They all flip flop. Everyone does it. Its how we survive and become successful." The problem with Trumps numerous and extreme flip-flops are that he is trying to sell himself as a "fixer" of the broken system. He is part of the broken system. Not only is he part of the broken system... With his support for anti-gun pro sanctuary-cities liberal Democrats he has made the system worse. Trump is claiming to want to fix a system that he helped to break. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 5:56:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd find out really fast if he released that off the record recording that he acknowledged existed at the debate, but just like releasing his taxes he's pretending he doesn't know how things actually work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But in Trump's defense, many can't comprehend more than simple platitudes like "Make America Great Again" or "Build The Wall". Democrats have relied on that for years. "I love the poorly educated!" - Trump (2/24/2016). He sure does. No kidding. There are supporters of Trumps socialist platform right here still claiming that trump wants to deport 20 million illegals. Trump said, "deport them all." Socialist retards who can't wrap their heads around logistics went nuts at thoughts of armed-troops going door-to-door Nazi-style on American soil eliminating the rights of American citizens looking for non-citizens. None of the retards can add or subtract. They think it is cool that Trump wants to build a wall, and deport 20 million, all the while "Sanctuary-Cities" (that are supported by Trump) are still in-place. What a bunch of idiots. As long as there are sanctuary-cities, there will be illegals flocking here, and finding jobs, and not being deported. Trump isn't going to deport 20 million illegals. Or 10 million. Or 1 million. I doubt he'll deport a single one. Recent quotes from Trump on immigration. "I'm flexible". "I'm changing". It's amazing that people believe his impossible policy on illegals. On immigration, Trump is either an idiot and believes his plan is plausible. Or, Trump is a liar and never intended to enact his ridiculous plan. I think the latter is probably true. See I didn't know this. All I have heard him say was he would negotiate the height of the wall and allowing high skilled foreign workers to stay in the US. Could you post a link so I can read about his flip flop? You'd find out really fast if he released that off the record recording that he acknowledged existed at the debate, but just like releasing his taxes he's pretending he doesn't know how things actually work. No, you wouldn't. Even if it contained statements about flexibility, people would still argue whether he was lying to his supporters, or lying to the liberal scumbags on the other side of the table at this off the record meeting. People inclined to believe Trump will choose the latter, and those who mistrust him will assume the former. It won't change a thing. The problem with this entire argument is that no one knows with any certainty where Trump stands. That's what makes him a risky candidate. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 5:58:40 PM EDT
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No, you wouldn't. Even if it contained statements about flexibility, people would still argue whether he was lying to his supporters, or lying to the liberal scumbags on the other side of the table at this off the record meeting. People inclined to believe Trump will choose the latter, and those who mistrust him will assume the former. It won't change a thing. The problem with this entire argument is that no one knows with any certainty where Trump stands. That's what makes him a risky candidate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd find out really fast if he released that off the record recording that he acknowledged existed at the debate, but just like releasing his taxes he's pretending he doesn't know how things actually work. No, you wouldn't. Even if it contained statements about flexibility, people would still argue whether he was lying to his supporters, or lying to the liberal scumbags on the other side of the table at this off the record meeting. People inclined to believe Trump will choose the latter, and those who mistrust him will assume the former. It won't change a thing. The problem with this entire argument is that no one knows with any certainty where Trump stands. That's what makes him a risky candidate. While I generally agree that his faithful won't give a shit, why the bullshit reason to not release them during the debate? |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:05:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Flip flopping on policy is one thing. Flip flopping on principles is another. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They all flip flop. Everyone does it. It's how we survive and become successful. https://marcorubio.com/news/ted-cruz-flip-flop-marco-rubio-debate/ Flip flopping on policy is one thing. Flip flopping on principles is another. Generally, I don't buy "flip flopping" arguments. It's just another sort of propaganda. If we argued with an ordinary person, and he changed his mind and admitted he saw things our way because we raised valid points, we'd consider him an honest person, a reasonable guy capable of modifying his views based on new information. I don't really understand why we would call someone running for office inferior for doing the same thing. I get it, the argument would be that they are not sincere, but I just don't think that is something we can really know. It seems reasonable to be suspicious of such a change, but it would have to be evaluated on its own merit, not against some arbitrary standard of "Any candidate who modifies his views is dishonest." |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:09:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While I generally agree that his faithful won't give a shit, why the bullshit reason to not release them during the debate? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You'd find out really fast if he released that off the record recording that he acknowledged existed at the debate, but just like releasing his taxes he's pretending he doesn't know how things actually work. No, you wouldn't. Even if it contained statements about flexibility, people would still argue whether he was lying to his supporters, or lying to the liberal scumbags on the other side of the table at this off the record meeting. People inclined to believe Trump will choose the latter, and those who mistrust him will assume the former. It won't change a thing. The problem with this entire argument is that no one knows with any certainty where Trump stands. That's what makes him a risky candidate. While I generally agree that his faithful won't give a shit, why the bullshit reason to not release them during the debate? If we both agree that it would change nothing with his supporters, there is obviously some other reason he would choose not to release it. My thought was that no one would trust him that anything else was every truly 'off the record'. It would close off an avenue for dealing with potentially hostile media. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:16:08 PM EDT
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Generally, I don't buy "flip flopping" arguments. It's just another sort of propaganda. If we argued with an ordinary person, and he changed his mind and admitted he saw things our way because we raised valid points, we'd consider him an honest person, a reasonable guy capable of modifying his views based on new information. I don't really understand why we would call someone running for office inferior for doing the same thing. I get it, the argument would be that they are not sincere, but I just don't think that is something we can really know. It seems reasonable to be suspicious of such a change, but it would have to be evaluated on its own merit, not against some arbitrary standard of "Any candidate who modifies his views is dishonest." Trumps flip-flops have been wild and extreme. And often spontaneous based on who is asking pointed-questions at the time. One day, to justify his tax-and-spend plan on socialized healthcare, Trump supports the mandate. In plain-English. Supports the mandate. Next day, after the reaction of conservatives to point-out Trumps liberal agenda and socialist platform, he backs off the "mandate" (he had used the word "mandate" in plain-English) and says, "we will make the government pay for it." So... Within 24 hours, Trump supported the mandate, then did not support the mandate, but clarifies that his plan would include coverage for all, including those who cant afford it, and the central-element would be that it would be paid for by the government. Sure. The Founding Fathers compromised on Slavery. It was deliberated and argued about, and to preserve the Union, there was compromise. Compromise has been part of our Country from the beginning. Trump claims --in the most bombastic ways-- that he is going to "fix the economy." He claims to wildly cheering crowds that he is better than the problems of other politicians. The absolute-truth... Trump flip-flops so much he is giving his supporters whip-lash. His lies are extravagant and bombastic. His flip flops are huge and extreme and sometimes spontaneous. Certainly not reflective of an effective leader. Sure, there is deliberate compromise in conservative ideology. Reagan is a perfect example. There can be compromise to create positive movement towards conservative goals. That is not Trump. Extreme flip-flops are often spur-of-the-moment decisions based on the audience and or who is asking the questions... Immigration is a perfect example. To wild and thronging crows, "We are going to deport all of the illegals" sounds like a great thing to say. Conservative people will scream with joy. Then Trump will be asked about the logistics of his extreme plan to deport 20 million people. Flip flop. Cowardly back-down. He does not really plan on deporting a soul. There is a difference between weighing out a decision and outright flipping and flopping all over the place, and it is not even the General yet. Trump is giving the supporters of his liberal agenda and socialist platform whiplash from his wildly changing positions. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:24:08 PM EDT
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While I generally agree that his faithful won't give a shit, why the bullshit reason to not release them during the debate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd find out really fast if he released that off the record recording that he acknowledged existed at the debate, but just like releasing his taxes he's pretending he doesn't know how things actually work. No, you wouldn't. Even if it contained statements about flexibility, people would still argue whether he was lying to his supporters, or lying to the liberal scumbags on the other side of the table at this off the record meeting. People inclined to believe Trump will choose the latter, and those who mistrust him will assume the former. It won't change a thing. The problem with this entire argument is that no one knows with any certainty where Trump stands. That's what makes him a risky candidate. While I generally agree that his faithful won't give a shit, why the bullshit reason to not release them during the debate? Who cares? Maybe because he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to play the GOP's game and it's burning them up. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:24:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trumps flip-flops have been wild and extreme. And often spontaneous based on who is asking pointed-questions at the time. One day, to justify his tax-and-spend plan on socialized healthcare, Trump supports the mandate. In plain-English. Supports the mandate. Next day, after the reaction of conservatives to point-out Trumps liberal agenda and socialist platform, he backs off the "mandate" (he had used the word "mandate" in plain-English) and says, "we will make the government pay for it." So... Within 24 hours, Trump supported the mandate, then did not support the mandate, but clarifies that his plan would include coverage for all, including those who cant afford it, and the central-element would be that it would be paid for by the government. Sure. The Founding Fathers compromised on Slavery. It was deliberated and argued about, and to preserve the Union, there was compromise. Compromise has been part of our Country from the beginning. Trump claims --in the most bombastic ways-- that he is going to "fix the economy." He claims to wildly cheering crowds that he is better than the problems of other politicians. The absolute-truth... Trump flip-flops so much he is giving his supporters whip-lash. His lies are extravagant and bombastic. His flip flops are huge and extreme and sometimes spontaneous. Certainly not reflective of an effective leader. Sure, there is deliberate compromise in conservative ideology. Reagan is a perfect example. There can be compromise to create positive movement towards conservative goals. That is not Trump. Extreme flip-flops are often spur-of-the-moment decisions based on the audience and or who is asking the questions... Immigration is a perfect example. To wild and thronging crows, "We are going to deport all of the illegals" sounds like a great thing to say. Conservative people will scream with joy. Then Trump will be asked about the logistics of his extreme plan to deport 20 million people. Flip flop. Cowardly back-down. He does not really plan on deporting a soul. There is a difference between weighing out a decision and outright flipping and flopping all over the place, and it is not even the General yet. Trump is giving the supporters of his liberal agenda and socialist platform whiplash from his wildly changing positions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Generally, I don't buy "flip flopping" arguments. It's just another sort of propaganda. If we argued with an ordinary person, and he changed his mind and admitted he saw things our way because we raised valid points, we'd consider him an honest person, a reasonable guy capable of modifying his views based on new information. I don't really understand why we would call someone running for office inferior for doing the same thing. I get it, the argument would be that they are not sincere, but I just don't think that is something we can really know. It seems reasonable to be suspicious of such a change, but it would have to be evaluated on its own merit, not against some arbitrary standard of "Any candidate who modifies his views is dishonest." Trumps flip-flops have been wild and extreme. And often spontaneous based on who is asking pointed-questions at the time. One day, to justify his tax-and-spend plan on socialized healthcare, Trump supports the mandate. In plain-English. Supports the mandate. Next day, after the reaction of conservatives to point-out Trumps liberal agenda and socialist platform, he backs off the "mandate" (he had used the word "mandate" in plain-English) and says, "we will make the government pay for it." So... Within 24 hours, Trump supported the mandate, then did not support the mandate, but clarifies that his plan would include coverage for all, including those who cant afford it, and the central-element would be that it would be paid for by the government. Sure. The Founding Fathers compromised on Slavery. It was deliberated and argued about, and to preserve the Union, there was compromise. Compromise has been part of our Country from the beginning. Trump claims --in the most bombastic ways-- that he is going to "fix the economy." He claims to wildly cheering crowds that he is better than the problems of other politicians. The absolute-truth... Trump flip-flops so much he is giving his supporters whip-lash. His lies are extravagant and bombastic. His flip flops are huge and extreme and sometimes spontaneous. Certainly not reflective of an effective leader. Sure, there is deliberate compromise in conservative ideology. Reagan is a perfect example. There can be compromise to create positive movement towards conservative goals. That is not Trump. Extreme flip-flops are often spur-of-the-moment decisions based on the audience and or who is asking the questions... Immigration is a perfect example. To wild and thronging crows, "We are going to deport all of the illegals" sounds like a great thing to say. Conservative people will scream with joy. Then Trump will be asked about the logistics of his extreme plan to deport 20 million people. Flip flop. Cowardly back-down. He does not really plan on deporting a soul. There is a difference between weighing out a decision and outright flipping and flopping all over the place, and it is not even the General yet. Trump is giving the supporters of his liberal agenda and socialist platform whiplash from his wildly changing positions. Bro, I don't want to get cross with you, so I am going to say this as kindly as I can while still being honest: I think you have taken such an extreme position that I can't really place much stock in your opinion on this topic. I know that there is no way to say it and not come across as a dick, so I am posting this fully expecting you will forever think I am a total prick, but it's just the God's honest truth. Can you and I just agree to disagree like you did with RDAK and still be cool? |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:41:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beck is 100% correct. The problem with Trump is not that he sees government as the problem. Trump sees the government as a solution. Trump *is* a socialist. Trump *is* a progressive. Beck is 100% correct. Trump does not get up and say, "Get rid of the size and scope of government. Government is the problem." Trump says, "We need a stronger more-expensive government. We just need the right people in government..." *That* is the definition of progressive. Trump is a socialist. Trump is evil. Trump is the snakeoil salesman... 2 minutes mark on the video explain why the American public support Trump. The GOP leadership failed the American people. Sold them out. I'm willing to pay good money to see Trump burn down Washington DC and hang all the political elites. http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/03/santelli-on-romneys-anti-trump-speech-where-was-that-courage-against-obama-in-2012/ |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:42:30 PM EDT
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Who cares? Maybe because he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to play the GOP's game and it's burning them up. Lack of transparency *is* the GOP"e" game. It is the first rule of the establishment. Trump was *supposed* to be different. He was supposed to fix the system (that he helped to break.) |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:45:22 PM EDT
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Bro, I don't want to get cross with you, so I am going to say this as kindly as I can while still being honest: I think you have taken such an extreme position that I can't really place much stock in your opinion on this topic. I know that there is no way to say it and not come across as a dick, so I am posting this fully expecting you will forever think I am a total prick, but it's just the God's honest truth. Can you and I just agree to disagree like you did with RDAK and still be cool? I have no desire to get personal. Of course we can agree to disagree. I still stand by my position that Trump's flip-flops have been wild and extreme, spontaneous, and often based on what the audience wants to hear at the time. That is the worst kind of politician. His flip flops don't appear to be thought-out compromises to accomplish specific objectives. His flip-flops appear to be the result of poor decision making and lack of coherency. But we can always agree to disagree. GD would be a boring place if we all agreed... |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:46:47 PM EDT
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Glenn Beck is against Trump because he is nothing more or less than a GOPe insider.Period.
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:50:46 PM EDT
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2 minutes mark on the video explain why the American public support Trump. The GOP leadership failed the American people. Sold them out. I'm willing to pay good money to see Trump burn down Washington DC and hang all the political elites. http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/03/santelli-on-romneys-anti-trump-speech-where-was-that-courage-against-obama-in-2012/ The American people sometimes surprise me with their collective stupidity. Trump is the Republican Obama that Beck called years ago... Beck might be labeled a gun-owning, prepping crazy by the anti-gun left... But he is spot on the money with Trumps "the government will solve all the problems" socialist agenda. Obama's platform, "Elect me, and you will get everything you want from the government your taxes pay for." Trumps platform, "Elect me, and you will get everything you want from the government your taxes pay for." I see no *real* cognitive difference between Trumps socialist platform and Obama's platform. In fact, the only *real* difference between the two socialists is that Trump has no class. Had his wife pose naked for money. Broken up several families through adultery, and only bragged about it after... Only *real* difference between the two is that Trump makes it look like Obama brought class to the White House... Beck was right years and years ago when he called this originally when he was on Fox news... |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 6:53:36 PM EDT
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Glenn Beck is against Trump because he is nothing more or less than a GOPe insider.Period. If Beck is an "insider" then so are all the rest of the conservative talk show hosts... Which if that is what you are saying, I actually agree with you... Not all of them have wholly supported Trumps liberal platform and socialist agenda.... And with Trump saying that he will use an expanded Federal government with expanded powers to give conservatives everything they want... He *is* the Republican Obama... Who promised the same end result (an expanded and more-expensive Federal Government)... There is no *real* difference between the Obama end-result and the Trump end-result. They both meet the definition of socialist. |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 9:00:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2016 9:10:41 PM EDT
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Beck is useless, but here......he is right.
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Posted: 3/5/2016 10:19:53 PM EDT
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You were saying? Two rich GOP entities donating to the Democrats.[/span] Yeah, lobbying firms give money to both sides of the isle... Frightening as it is real. It is part of the frightening machine that is the evil side of politics in this country. Trump wrote personal checks to guarantee political favors. Trump is and was part of the problem he is claiming he is going to fix. Pathetic as it is real. Frightening as it is real. Folks, Trump is lying to you about fixing the problem he helped to create. He is going to make it worse. You are 100% correct... The money that changes hands for political favors is disgusting and repulsive. Trump was and is knee deep in the cancer that is destroying our country from the inside-out. Trump himself wrote personal checks to liberal sanctuary-cities, anti-gun politicians and issues. When Trump announced his Presidential run in 1988, and formed a committee in 1989, ran again in 2000, then joined the Democrat National Committee through official membership in the Democrat Party, Trump himself supported the DNC platform supporting sanctuary cities, and anti-gun initiatives and policies. Trump put his evil money where his evil mouth was... Trump was knee-deep in the machine that funds the liberal sludge in our broken political system. Thanks for your insightful post... Yeah, Trump wrote personal checks to guarantee political favors. Trump isn't going to fix the system he helped to break... For all intents and purposes, Trump *is* the problem... Its not just Trumps base socialism that matches Obama's, "The big-government can fix the problems..." It isn't just his socialism... It is Trumps whole-hog, whole-nine-yards involvement in breaking the system... |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 10:23:37 PM EDT
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Beck is useless, but here......he is right. Yep. He is correct on this point. Obama promises that making government bigger, and more costly will fix societies ills as liberals see them. Trump promises that making government bigger, and more expensive will fix societies problems as conservatives see them. The end result is the same with both of them... A bigger government that costs more to run. The end result is the same with both of them... The Federal Government has more power and influence and costs more, and individual and states rights are lost... The end result is the **exact** same with both of them... Bigger Fed government, more taxes, and less individual and state rights... |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 10:36:18 PM EDT
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While I generally agree that his faithful won't give a shit, why the bullshit reason to not release them during the debate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd find out really fast if he released that off the record recording that he acknowledged existed at the debate, but just like releasing his taxes he's pretending he doesn't know how things actually work. No, you wouldn't. Even if it contained statements about flexibility, people would still argue whether he was lying to his supporters, or lying to the liberal scumbags on the other side of the table at this off the record meeting. People inclined to believe Trump will choose the latter, and those who mistrust him will assume the former. It won't change a thing. The problem with this entire argument is that no one knows with any certainty where Trump stands. That's what makes him a risky candidate. While I generally agree that his faithful won't give a shit, why the bullshit reason to not release them during the debate? That The people who support Trump won't give a shit, they're just like the people who supported Obama don't give a shit. It's all about emotions, "Hope and Change". |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 10:56:26 AM EDT
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Beck is dead to me after giving support and care to illegal aliens while they are still in my country. He has lost it and the crazy train keeps on runnin'.
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Posted: 3/6/2016 11:16:51 AM EDT
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Glenn Beck basically tries explain why he is Dumb Fuck, who likes to fellatio goat dicks. But, he even fails at that... |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 11:19:11 AM EDT
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Who is Glen Beck?
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Posted: 3/6/2016 11:19:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beck is dead to me after giving support and care to illegal aliens while they are still in my country. He has lost it and the crazy train keeps on runnin'. Beck is scared that he will be unable to bring his illegal alien brides for his Warren Jeffs LDS Cult, and Trump will put a wall and stop amnesty. |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 11:27:06 AM EDT
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