I identify as a non free monies recipient. But I am unwilling to participate in the reverse class warfare. Nobody here asked for this, the politicians in power decided on it without anyone's input. What's more, the head honcho in charge, Mr. President Trump himself is the most vocal supporter of all this. I don't get the hate towards those who will receive these gifts from the state coffer, and I'm not about to jump aboard the hate ship just because I didn't receive the monies either.

90% of arfcommers “ I have millions in my bank account “ also 90% of arfcommers “Yay my $1200 came in!”

I recall the last go around some very vocal people here were saying that they were going to send the money back. One guy got called out on it and never responded... I suspect the same would ring true... I don't fault them though. Money is money and I would never turn down anyone giving me cash.

makes sense

Not in the parts of the country where big business lives

monica.

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Net worth and income are different, yo.

Of course you wouldn’t consider it a handout, because we’re in a new paradigm.   You’ve never known it any other way.   I’m not against targeted help for those directly effected by the shutdowns, but that’s not what we’re discussing,  

The Government has shut down factories and industries before.  They've changed the rules played favorites again and again, deciding winners and losers.  People were uprooted and lives destroyed.   Some prevailed though, through sheer determination and indomitable spirit.  
Fwiw, They got me twice, personally.   My family and I never asked for handouts, and never got any.  We picked up and moved across the country 4 times for work.   It made us resilient, resourceful and stronger as a family.  Welfare would have made us weak and content to live in poverty.  
I honestly don’t expect you to understand.  20 years ago was a different age.  

You managed to express how bad you are at both reading comprehension and math, all in just one post.   Congrats. .    

Many millionaires actually Are collecting their free monies.   That’s what makes this latest scam so egregious.

Full time flight paramedic and I earn 40k a year. What EMS service do you work for?

I just got $191 deposited... I'm middle American.

Lawyer. Volunteer now.

Pool some of this together and there could be a whole fleet of RV;s driving to DC.

Even my wife makes more than $95k. Get a Job.  A real job.

All this is Communists and Losers stealing money from hard working Americans.

People being bought cheap and will destroy this nation.  

I'd like every penny back I've paid into SS and my taxes back.

Amen

I didn’t get shit...

When did Q say any of this?  And who is A?

I wont receive shit but the ill consequences of this, just as most others, but Id rather be getting paid today for the debt tomorrow instead of not getting paid for the same debt tomorrow.

The self righteous are a fucking joke in here.

You sound like the limousine liberals who look down on anyone working a blue collar job to support his family because they didn't go to college.

Direct your ire at the politicians in Congress who are playing fuck fuck games with the Republic.

Fuck the FSA

I'm pretty sure I have to pay it back anyway(as well as the first one).  Took half a year off in 2019 to do a ton of work around a home we bought, we are way past the threshold for 2020's returns.  Just throwing it in a slush fund savings account we have for just in case cash no attached to any bank card we use.

I think you get to keep it.

I have no problem with people that didn't go to college and work blue collar jobs.  I have a problem with people asking me to support them.  All people.  It's quite remedial and entitled of you to assume I differentiate or that many blue collar workers don't make much more money than the $90k.  A CDL Driver can easily make $90k, for instance.  Regardless, we all make our own decisions and work our own jobs, we should live on our own wages.

Same.

Dont forget that cost of living factors into things as well. $50K in one area may equal $100K in another area.

Great point - none of this is indexed. not the payments nor the thresholds.  The whole concept is ridiculous.

Only fair and reasonable way to do it (that I can think of anyway) would be to implement a tax cut, even if only temporary.

Drop every bracket 10% and implement it at the "withholding" level so it never gets taken out of people's checks in the first place.

If you pay no net taxes you don't get anything.

If you pay taxes you keep more of your money.

Of course there would be wailing and gnashing of teeth from those that already pay no taxes, but they are likely getting money from the state elsewhere anyway.

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I think you fellow poors are lying. Got a bank email that says rona bucks start getting deposited on the fourth...
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I’m blown away how many anti-socialists are happy to be socialist and moreover some are complaining it wasn’t more.

Two points:

1. People receiving the stimulus funds didn't choose to do so, so they might as well accept the money with a smile.

2. The amount could have been astronomically higher and more recipients included -- and not a penny more added to the bill -- if only they'd have taken the pork funding and given it to Americans.

My house, my vehicles are all long time paid for. I am debt free with money in the Bank and elsewheres. I was self employed since 1970 and retired at the age of 57 in 2008......I just got $1,800..............Happy New Year to me !!!!.............

Doesn’t matter. You are a leach on the system. Send that check back to the treasury or you are an unamerican welfare drain good for nothing socialist.

no cheddar yet as of this morning.

Until YOU walk up and get that bill passed just plan to carry around your KY in emergency sample packs.  The people that received anything from this didn't walk up and ask for it either.  If you got an extra $600 in your account without asking would you hand it back?  You just seem mad at people that did get it, not the people who passed it.  YES THE BILL IS BULLSHIT.

I agree with many points but at this point your yelling at clouds.  You directly told me I don't know what the fuck I am talking about.  Since the following is true, I have moved over 7 times for work if you want to use that statistic.  On that note 5 of them the military handed me orders.  I have moved for work but I don't own a business.   I would rather my money have saved my local BBQ joint, my mechanic, and a few others that are now gone for good.  Maybe if they released the restrictions they would come back but I don't see it happening.  I am not going to blame anyone here for getting a check but do wish it had have been more selective and dedicated to those that have been directly affected.

The section in blue, can you provide a link to all businesses in a state affected by one mandate by one person that totally shut everything in that category down (aka restaurants for example)?  I see that the national government pretty much taxed the fuck out of American business and sent them offshore to china and others but not just "now you are closed."  Normally you can adapt to the change or pick up and move to a better environment.  Within "two weeks" business were told to shut down.  Its hard enough to close on a house in a month much less two weeks.  These owners were told just "two weeks"...and that turned into 8 months or more in some cases.  

They can go after small business one by one with OSHA rules or some other government entity that is being paid off to ruin them.  This was widespread and not an isolated incident.

I am more mad at where the other 700 BILLION dollars went.  At least almost 200 Billion went to a majority of Americans.

It is surprising easy to stay in the 12% bracket in retirement if you structure your life, and wealth, carefully. That married jump from 12% to 22% at $80,251 is onerous, and I would advise you if possible to have nothing to do with it.

So, you went from independent and self sufficient American to a paid Hooker and slave for 1800? congrats
Put your mask on!

@styles

I inferred from your post lacking any additional details or context that if “even [your] wife” could make $95k+ a year, that you are holding her up as an example of what the least of us should be able to achieve. I apologize for misinterpreting what you meant, but you followed that with “get a job, a real job.” Is a guy making $30,000/year, paying his taxes and happy, a loser because he isn’t making enough money to not receive the stimulus? Because it came across that way.

I would love to make $90k a year. Hell, $75k would be life changing for me. I raise my daughter and cover the mortgage and all bills on about $56k/year plus the survivor benefits that she receives. I’m going back to school to someday make that $75k and more if I can. I would love to join the ranks of people who don’t qualify for a stimulus because that would mean that I’m providing a real life for my daughter and me.

I 100% agree on your last part, but again these decisions are being made by people irrespective of your or my wishes. They drew the arbitrary line, and put the money straight into my account. I then turned around and made a final contribution to my HSA account for 2020. I like to think that was the responsible decision.

what part of TX are you in?

are you interested in a semi-skilled manual labor type gig that pays $90k+/yr?

The economy is staying “okay” because the money printer is injecting cash into the system at insane rates. $22.8T in debt was so 2019. 2020Q3 was $26.9T and we still have a whole quarter of data to go on FRED.

Man oh man, some angry in here.

Y’all are gonna flip the fuck out when I start drawing my $2800/ month SS checks.


No stimuli for I btw.

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You are partly right, yes, that guy is losing the game in my view by his own sword and asking me to provide for him, but it’s calling that liberal that is the wrong sauce.
You can make more.  You are making choices not to.  They are your choices. I respect them. I don’t want to subsidize them.

Without a degree / professional career, having a daughter, etc, you have to be willing to move where the work is and transition to jobs in demand. That can be oil field or whatever, but opportunity is there to work and provide. Sitting still making $30k is not something I can get behind.

For instance, Here in Florida it’s truck drivers in demand. They make about $22/hr and work up to 65 hrs a week.  That’s about $80k, isn’t it?  Now, I’m sure you have reasons you want to live, work, and raise your daughter where you do, but that’s not my fault.

I shouldn’t have said loser, I did and I will own it.  It was wrong. The point is not wrong.

However, If I was a liberal, I’d tell you that’s the best you can do and the reason you can’t do better is someone else’s fault.  Because I’m not a liberal, I believe you can do better if you really want to do it.  It may take some changes in your decision making.

There’s a better way to say it and I should have used it, you are settling for someone else’s appraisal of your potential and what you are worth and asking me to pretend you deserve for me to make up the difference. You don’t deserve that.

I honestly and sincerely hope you don’t believe you deserve that. Because that is a terrible thing to think and feel that you can’t do better for some reason you can’t solve and others owe you something out of their own hard work. I was there once. It’s why I despise the situation and was too harsh with the wording. I apologize.

I have an employee that is in their 40s going to night school. I helped buy them a laptop. I would rather voluntarily help someone making good choices than be forced to help keep someone down and depressed.  

A lot of people will help you start pushing the Wagon forward if they buy into your plan.  It’s fulfilling to help others by choice and not at all liberal.  Here’s some help - You don’t need hsa money at this point. No financial advisor would suggest that for $30k income. The individual out of pocket of a high deductible hsa plan can swamp your boat if something happens and you both need medical care. HSAs solve rich people problems - healthy and wealthy they say.

And a hero emerges...