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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:31:17 PM EDT
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Fuck them teachers.
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:33:15 PM EDT
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The general hatred (or is it resentment or whatever) of teachers and teaching is quite evident in this thread. That's interesting to me. I have never known but a few (back in junior high school) who were worthy of such hatred. You guys must have gotten a hard time from your teachers to have such resentment/hatred. My kids had some real bone head teachers but they were not so bad as to engender this kind of hatred. I've known some really good teachers in my time. The vast majority were at least good and a few were great. I really appreciate what they did for me. I feel sorry for the teachers of your children. Imagine what parents' night is like with an audience filled with this hatred.  |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:58:30 PM EDT
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Fuck them teachers. Thanks for making the point, though, that it's not the teachers that are the problem. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 9:33:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snip Now many teachers are up to their ears in debt. Met a 2nd grade teacher who's working on her Masters recently. It was sort of interesting to hear her talk, but at the same time I kept thinking....WTF do you need a Masters to teach 2nd grade? |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 4:44:33 PM EDT
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Great!! School closed Monday now....The State doesn't have money for raises right this instant. They are wasting their students time now.
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Posted: 4/27/2018 5:59:58 PM EDT
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Great!! School closed Monday now....The State doesn't have money for raises right this instant. They are wasting their students time now. |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 6:38:32 PM EDT
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Went to the lake yesterday to let the dogs swim and get some fishing in.
It was more crowded than 4th of July weekend. Guess all the kids and their parents decided it was the place to be. |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 7:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's a red of ed chant? |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 7:53:31 PM EDT
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The 'demands'. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/40084/Screenshot_from_2018-04-24_20-51-01-524899.JPG Teachers should be paid better. Schools should take a long, hard look at where the money is actually going; some of the elective courses are dumb at best, damaging at worst, and expensive all around. Money promised before the recession needs to go back where it was intended, now that things are looking better. The Governor made an offer, which the legislature is balking at. The Governor is a Republican, so of course the inaction is all his fault. There's plenty of blame to go around. |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 8:18:48 PM EDT
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I'm guessing he meant "Red For Ed," the name of the movement. Teachers, support staff, and their captive minions have been wearing red shirts as a show of solidarity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What's a red of ed chant? Kharn |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 8:26:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Red For Ed's position is that they are NOT a political organization. Well, as soon as you take on a Bernie organizer as your leader and demand that no further tax cuts are enacted, you MAKE it political. Furthermore, one of the first things Red For Ed did was endorse a socialist for Governor. Teachers should be paid better. Schools should take a long, hard look at where the money is actually going; some of the elective courses are dumb at best, damaging at worst, and expensive all around. Money promised before the recession needs to go back where it was intended, now that things are looking better. The Governor made an offer, which the legislature is balking at. The Governor is a Republican, so of course the inaction is all his fault. There's plenty of blame to go around. It lasted 9 school days, but they finally got their raise. The teachers lost my support and respect over their bonehead strike. |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 8:31:03 PM EDT
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ILLEGAL ARIZONA TEACHER STRIKE AND SCHOOL CLOSURES VIOLATE STUDENTS’ RIGHT TO EDUCATION
From the Goldwater Institute... They're threatening lawsuits against the School Districts unless they at least try to open. There are enough teachers that would show to at least open; and they can probably bring in enough subs. The complaint is mainly that the School Districts are colluding with the teachers unions - not a surprise; the Unions are generally sitting on both sides of the table in these negotiations. The reality of this situation is that schools are closed because some - maybe even most - teachers won't come in, but one of the absolutes of a labor dispute is that you need to try to allow the workers who are either not in the union or don't agree with it to cross the line. Force them to picket the schools and they'll lose a lot of support. |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 9:52:13 PM EDT
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My 8 year old was so excited for her performance that is now canceled. The ring leader of this movement went on record saying they want to make it is painful as possible to prove their point. Here is a novel idea, if you want more pay, protest on your time and don't leave the kids high and dry |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 10:40:38 PM EDT
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Stop bitching. You could have picked that field. However you didn't. You all bitch about teachers, but yet none of you are. So shut the fuck up until you become one or go and change the system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My 8 year old was so excited for her performance that is now canceled. The ring leader of this movement went on record saying they want to make it is painful as possible to prove their point. Here is a novel idea, if you want more pay, protest on your time and don't leave the kids high and dry If you are not a politician, don't complain about politics... If you are not a doctor, don't complain about doctors... If you are not a soldier, don't complain about the military... etc etc etc So I can only complain about people that hold a job I've had in the past? |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 11:01:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are not a cop, don't complain about the police... If you are not a politician, don't complain about politics... If you are not a doctor, don't complain about doctors... If you are not a soldier, don't complain about the military... etc etc etc So I can only complain about people that hold a job I've had in the past? |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 11:05:45 PM EDT
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As a matter of fact yes, if you haven't done the job then what do you know about it, besides second hand information. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If you are not a cop, don't complain about the police... If you are not a politician, don't complain about politics... If you are not a doctor, don't complain about doctors... If you are not a soldier, don't complain about the military... etc etc etc So I can only complain about people that hold a job I've had in the past?  Attached FileSo I'm not a doctor, but if my doctor cuts off the wrong leg or misdiagnosed me, or whatever, I should just say "Oh well, I should have went to medical school if I wanted it done right. Asking that he does a better job is just silly"? |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 11:48:16 PM EDT
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As a matter of fact yes, if you haven't done the job then what do you know about it, besides second hand information. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If you are not a cop, don't complain about the police... If you are not a politician, don't complain about politics... If you are not a doctor, don't complain about doctors... If you are not a soldier, don't complain about the military... etc etc etc So I can only complain about people that hold a job I've had in the past? |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 12:13:42 AM EDT
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I suspect, and this is based on personal experience,that the only reason parents are pissed off about the strikes is because their babysitters now cost more money out of pocket, aside from property tax.
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Posted: 4/28/2018 12:28:33 AM EDT
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I suspect, and this is based on personal experience,that the only reason parents are pissed off about the strikes is because their babysitters now cost more money out of pocket, aside from property tax. They made my niece cry. That is more that enough to set my brother's heart against RFE. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 12:35:05 AM EDT
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I’m not a parent.
I’m annoyed my property taxes are going to rise because of a Chicago rap music socialist agitator masquerading as a teacher. I’m annoyed that the school districts could take the money and give it to the administrators as a bonus and do not have to raise the teachers pay. I’m annoyed that we keep rating the effectiveness of teachers on how much we spend per student. I’m annoyed that schools are ending up more and more like left wing indoctrination centers. To be fair, I don’t get involved in my school board or volunteering. As a single white male, I don’t think my efforts would be valued or appreciated. But it still annoys me. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 12:38:33 AM EDT
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Dumbest thing I have read in a while congratulations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: If you are not a cop, don't complain about the police... If you are not a politician, don't complain about politics... If you are not a doctor, don't complain about doctors... If you are not a soldier, don't complain about the military... etc etc etc So I can only complain about people that hold a job I've had in the past? |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 12:39:17 AM EDT
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I suspect, and this is based on personal experience,that the only reason parents are pissed off about the strikes is because their babysitters now cost more money out of pocket, aside from property tax. Are those not legitimate concerns? That these things don't effect me, doesn't make them not a legitimate complaint for someone else. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 12:43:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop bitching. You could have picked that field. However you didn't. You all bitch about teachers, but yet none of you are. So shut the fuck up until you become one or go and change the system. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 1:15:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She's working on her master's... because she wants to stay competitive for her job in the coming year! Teaching is a lot less easy than you think it is. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 8:37:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well since they already pay taxes to fund the school(Property, sales plus both state and federal income taxes) and this is unplanned, I bet it does piss them off to either scrabble for a last minute babysitter or attempt to take time off of work. Are those not legitimate concerns? That these things don't effect me, doesn't make them not a legitimate complaint for someone else. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 8:44:10 AM EDT
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Some states require masters, AZ can’t get enough so they moved it down to a BS/BA but now they have even started to bring on people who can’t even become credentialed as a teacher due to their degree with the shortage. 
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Posted: 4/28/2018 5:08:42 PM EDT
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Teacher I know got 10K more a year to teach in Glendale Union School District than in Peoria Unified District.
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Posted: 4/28/2018 10:44:39 PM EDT
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Teacher I know got 10K more a year to teach in Glendale Union School District than in Peoria Unified District. If we're going to give teachers more money, I'm actually fine with that. But if you're going to give in on that, you need to get something in return. Let's get the ability to pay teachers for something other than years in the classroom. Let's pay the good ones more, and the bad ones less. Or even better yet, be able to fire the bad ones. Pay for performance. Radical concept. Nevah' been done before. Except everywhere in the real (non-gov't union) world. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 11:06:46 PM EDT
[#29]
I think we should fire any teacher that walks out. Most of them do a shitty job anyway. No big loss.
I also think we should be quicker to throw out pain in the ass, disruptive students. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 11:21:44 PM EDT
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The good news is that the amount of learning going on in Arizona schools has been completely unaffected by the teacher strike.
I graduated from Apache Junction.  
ETA: I can count on one hand the number of high school teachers I had that deserved more than minimum wage. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 11:28:47 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is NOT a reason to walkout statewide. If we're going to give teachers more money, I'm actually fine with that. But if you're going to give in on that, you need to get something in return. Let's get the ability to pay teachers for something other than years in the classroom. Let's pay the good ones more, and the bad ones less. Or even better yet, be able to fire the bad ones. Pay for performance. Radical concept. Nevah' been done before. Except everywhere in the real (non-gov't union) world. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 11:54:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is NOT a reason to walkout statewide. If we're going to give teachers more money, I'm actually fine with that. But if you're going to give in on that, you need to get something in return. Let's get the ability to pay teachers for something other than years in the classroom. Let's pay the good ones more, and the bad ones less. Or even better yet, be able to fire the bad ones. Pay for performance. Radical concept. Nevah' been done before. Except everywhere in the real (non-gov't union) world. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 11:56:30 PM EDT
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Measuring teacher performance is a bitch. You can't do it based on test scores, because the quality of students is hard to ascertain and test scores depends heavily on that. You can't base it on teaching evaluations because students write bad evaluations for stern/hard teachers, and good evaluations for easy/bullshit teachers. |
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Posted: 4/29/2018 2:10:08 PM EDT
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On the note of "quality of students," most people don't realized that SPED students are required to take the same tests that "normal" students take. Depending on the demographics of your AO, those kids could be dragging down avg scores by quite a bit. |
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Posted: 4/29/2018 3:18:29 PM EDT
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Measuring teacher performance is a bitch. You can't do it based on test scores, because the quality of students is hard to ascertain and test scores depends heavily on that. You can't base it on teaching evaluations because students write bad evaluations for stern/hard teachers, and good evaluations for easy/bullshit teachers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Measuring teacher performance is a bitch. You can't do it based on test scores, because the quality of students is hard to ascertain and test scores depends heavily on that. You can't base it on teaching evaluations because students write bad evaluations for stern/hard teachers, and good evaluations for easy/bullshit teachers. Just because your students this year are stupid doesn't mean you can't teach them. Quoted:
How do you check for performance? More standardized tests for them to teach to, while ignoring actual real-world curriculum? I want to know if you know how to do MATH. I'm going to give you questions that see if you know how to basic math concepts. We're going to figure out if you can do them. You can't TEACH 'TO THE TEST' without teaching them the very concepts we're checking for. Now, I understand that some subjects are more subjective than others. But Math and Science are easy, and things like History, English... are still fairly easy to test for. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 2:28:17 PM EDT
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No school Wednesday now. That will make 5 days now. Parents will be enemies of teachers now. It's already kind of happening. This just needs to end. Teachers made their point now the state needs to hold up their end in 2020.
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Posted: 5/1/2018 3:07:54 PM EDT
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My kids' district here in Oklahoma was out of school for 10 straight days due to the strike here. I refuse to call it a "walk-out"; they went on strike.
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Posted: 5/1/2018 3:11:53 PM EDT
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This whole thing seems fucky. I wonder who the 'grass roots champion' will be that rises from this and winds up on a ballot for some sort of office.
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Posted: 5/1/2018 6:46:26 PM EDT
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Me: "Alright, since you're off school again let's come up with a plan to keep your brain sharp because you're not getting any smarter sitting at home."
My 9yo: "What if I just eat smarties all day..."
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Posted: 5/1/2018 7:11:08 PM EDT
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Me: "Alright, since you're off school again let's come up with a plan to keep your brain sharp because you're not getting any smarter sitting at home." My 9yo: "What if I just eat smarties all day..." |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 7:26:33 PM EDT
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My kids went back to school today. It was the only district in the county that was open and business as normal. Three day walk out because some socialist who is the ring leader is demanding a tax hike to give the teachers a 20% pay raise. I wonder what will happen if I am in the middle of a call and I go on strike and demand a 20% pay raise!
Nobody can answer one simple question. Will any of this improve the education of the kids? |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 7:43:54 PM EDT
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what they should do is give a pay raise to high performing teachers and let the the poor preforming teachers quit. F that if your a teacher walk-in out and suck at teaching.
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Posted: 5/1/2018 7:52:39 PM EDT
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what they should do is give a pay raise to high performing teachers and let the the poor preforming teachers quit. F that if your a teacher walk-in out and suck at teaching. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 7:52:54 PM EDT
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And almost no one is noticing who bought and paid for this bullshit, even though they named and it made the t-shirts indicating what this really is - organized communist disruption.
This is the best stunt the communists have ever pulled off. May they all go to hell, every last one of them. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 7:56:44 PM EDT
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And almost no one is noticing who bought and paid for this bullshit, even though they named and it made the t-shirts indicating what this really is - organized communist disruption. This is the best stunt the communists have ever pulled off. May they all go to hell, every last one of them. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 7:59:01 PM EDT
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#FireThem
Fuckers don't deserve a goddamned dime. I've been really tempted to give them the bird when I see them on the street corner, but they usually have kids out with them. 
If I had it my way, all of them would have as much time as they wanted to protest, but they wouldn't have a job to come back to. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 8:02:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2018 8:05:52 PM EDT
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Speakers from teachers union talking now, rejecting current proposal.
The socialist Noah Karvelis is talking now, all posturing and claiming the budget proposal does not go far enough, more strike in the future. They were promised a 20% raise before the walk out even began. Assholes claim it’s about the children, when it’s all about the money, should fire them all for breach of contract.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 8:08:36 PM EDT
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And almost no one is noticing who bought and paid for this bullshit, even though they named and it made the t-shirts indicating what this really is - organized communist disruption. I'd love to find a way to pay teachers more, but if you hold walkouts and figuratively hold a gun to my head, plus all the parents of the students, I'm not going to help you. I'm watching a red for ed conference on TV right now. They've got some lanky kid who hasn't done shit in life. When they turned down the 20% pay raise, they showed their cards, because that's a huge bump, and they obviously are being coached to keep fighting. It's a clear push for the upcoming election. People are idiots. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 8:15:30 PM EDT
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Speakers from teachers union talking now, rejecting current proposal. The socialist Noah Karvelis is talking now, all posturing and claiming the budget proposal does not go far enough, more strike in the future. They were promised a 20% raise before the walk out even began. Assholes claim it’s about the children, when it’s all about the money, should fire them all for breach of contract. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/19372/8DEA472B-6F63-4D90-B8B7-D482736C540B-531446.JPG I'm for firing all of them as well. Just blow the whole thing up. There's a month left of classes for them, you can rehire new teachers at higher pay rates within 90 days. Just think about how much money it cost the parents in PTO or baby-sitter cash to deal with this bullshit.. |
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