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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:21:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:21:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:22:55 AM EDT
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L85a2?
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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:23:45 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? 
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:09:51 AM EDT
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Yea, that looks right. Thank you.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:11:40 AM EDT
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I LoL'ed. They did look strange when I was watching it on the news. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:19:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:20:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:22:36 AM EDT
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What's it called now, the L85 or something? L85A2, I think is the most modern version currently fielded. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:27:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:28:55 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. They're not. Usual disadvantage of being a bullpup is the weak shouldered shooting, and they take some getting used to in terms of cleaning, but as a rifle they are very pointable and pleasant to shoot. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:30:07 AM EDT
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I do sometimes wonder what some Americans think we use as guns........ some of the myths and old wives tales that I hear on here make me chuckle. 
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:32:47 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. They're not. Usual disadvantage of being a bullpup is the weak shouldered shooting, and they take some getting used to in terms of cleaning, but as a rifle they are very pointable and pleasant to shoot. Wasn't H&K hired to make those bullpups work properly? I seem to remember those expensive steel H&K mags advertised as part of H&K's systemic approach to improving the SA80/ |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:36:20 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. I wouldn't go a far as to say it is garbage, but it doesn't come close to comparing to an M4. I didn't like it in 1992, I didn't like it in 98 and my opinion of it didn't change in 2009. If you are a British soldier and have never used or handled anything else, then it's the tits, but as an American soldier you are biased after being exposed to the M16 FOW. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:37:40 AM EDT
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I just can't take that rifle seriously.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:39:08 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. They're not. Usual disadvantage of being a bullpup is the weak shouldered shooting, and they take some getting used to in terms of cleaning, but as a rifle they are very pointable and pleasant to shoot. Wasn't H&K hired to make those bullpups work properly? I seem to remember those expensive steel H&K mags advertised as part of H&K's systemic approach to improving the SA80/ Yeah - I think the first incarnation of the rifle was found to be less than satisfactory in some areas. H&K did some fettling and they are a great gun now. The magazines - not so sure - I have a few of the H&K mags and they are a much heavier construction. Whether they made any difference, or whether they were just sold as part of a solution looking for a problem I don't know. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:40:08 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I looked closely at the detail, and I couldn't see any flash suppressors on the muzzle of their rifles, so I'm inclined to believe the weapons were actually manually operated "Cadet" rifles, instead of actual L85A2s. Here's a pic I found of one on the errornet: 
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:43:31 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. They used to be, but the L85A2 version addressed most of the design flaws that drew so much criticism. One of my friends was a Royal Marine in Iraq during the initial invasion. He was issued one and said it was actually a pretty good rifle when he used his in southern Iraq. Close order drill would be a pain in the ass, but that's not a serious consideration for a weapon of war. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:46:57 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. It doesn't stop me from wanting one. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:48:46 AM EDT
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I just can't take that rifle seriously. Helmet cam footage of British troops hunting and killing taliban. 3 KIAs 
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:53:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: It doesn't stop me from wanting one. Id like an L86 |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:54:32 AM EDT
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Get Enfield on the phone, tell them we want a group but on an SEBR. We'll call it... the L87.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:54:39 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I looked closely at the detail, and I couldn't see any flash suppressors on the muzzle of their rifles, so I'm inclined to believe the weapons were actually manually operated "Cadet" rifles, instead of actual L85A2s. Here's a pic I found of one on the errornet: http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo359/Gunny1812/EnfieldCadet.gif Probably not - very few of the cadet rifles still in service. Grenadier Guards are frontline troops they will be issued with the standard kit. Muzzles may have been covered to keep out the rain. Without seeing a picture it would be hard to say but the issued rifles have ACOGS and not the carry handle or fore-end mounted foresight. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:56:28 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I looked closely at the detail, and I couldn't see any flash suppressors on the muzzle of their rifles, so I'm inclined to believe the weapons were actually manually operated "Cadet" rifles, instead of actual L85A2s. Here's a pic I found of one on the errornet: http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo359/Gunny1812/EnfieldCadet.gif Holy sight over bore, Batman! |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:59:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Too violent? we could exchange it with a gummy bear?  curry flavor of course.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 11:14:21 AM EDT
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Too violent? we could exchange it with a gummy bear? curry flavor of course.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 11:16:51 AM EDT
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Too violent? we could exchange it with a gummy bear? curry flavor of course.You're not fun to tease. 
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Posted: 6/5/2012 11:18:38 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I looked closely at the detail, and I couldn't see any flash suppressors on the muzzle of their rifles, so I'm inclined to believe the weapons were actually manually operated "Cadet" rifles, instead of actual L85A2s. Here's a pic I found of one on the errornet: http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo359/Gunny1812/EnfieldCadet.gif Probably not - very few of the cadet rifles still in service. Grenadier Guards are frontline troops they will be issued with the standard kit. Muzzles may have been covered to keep out the rain. Without seeing a picture it would be hard to say but the issued rifles have ACOGS and not the carry handle or fore-end mounted foresight. ACOGS or SUSAT? It was a SUSAT when I was there in '09. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 11:21:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. They're not. Usual disadvantage of being a bullpup is the weak shouldered shooting, and they take some getting used to in terms of cleaning, but as a rifle they are very pointable and pleasant to shoot. Ugly as hell though.  |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 11:31:56 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I looked closely at the detail, and I couldn't see any flash suppressors on the muzzle of their rifles, so I'm inclined to believe the weapons were actually manually operated "Cadet" rifles, instead of actual L85A2s. Here's a pic I found of one on the errornet: http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo359/Gunny1812/EnfieldCadet.gif Probably not - very few of the cadet rifles still in service. Grenadier Guards are frontline troops they will be issued with the standard kit. Muzzles may have been covered to keep out the rain. Without seeing a picture it would be hard to say but the issued rifles have ACOGS and not the carry handle or fore-end mounted foresight. ACOGS or SUSAT? It was a SUSAT when I was there in '09. ACOGs now - used to be SUSATS but the big black daft triangle coming up from the base of the sight picture obscured targets at longer ranges. 
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Posted: 6/5/2012 11:36:29 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. They're not. Usual disadvantage of being a bullpup is the weak shouldered shooting, and they take some getting used to in terms of cleaning, but as a rifle they are very pointable and pleasant to shoot. Ugly as hell though.
I dunno - they kinda grow on you. Having shot one I developed real liking for the ergonomics. Each to their own I suppose. I love my AR15's but the SA80 is far more "paintable". If it weren't for the damned ban on semi-auto centre fire over here I suspect that it would be a popular rifle with most civilian shooters. The bit that I dislike is the trigger guard. I don't know what it is about it but it just looks shite. Kind of like it was added as an afterthought and fashioned from a bit of steel they had lying around. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:24:24 PM EDT
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I used the L86A1 LSW (Light Support Weapon) and the the L98A1 Cadet GP/DP (General Purpose/Drill Purpose) back when I was a little spotty Army Cadet. Never got the chance to handle the L85A1/A2, but the design always felt a bit clunky to me. Then again, I haven't used an AR type rifle either, so I have little to compare them to.  |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:25:22 PM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. They're not. Usual disadvantage of being a bullpup is the weak shouldered shooting, and they take some getting used to in terms of cleaning, but as a rifle they are very pointable and pleasant to shoot. Ugly as hell though.
I dunno - they kinda grow on you. Having shot one I developed real liking for the ergonomics. Each to their own I suppose. I love my AR15's but the SA80 is far more "paintable". If it weren't for the damned ban on semi-auto centre fire over here I suspect that it would be a popular rifle with most civilian shooters. The bit that I dislike is the trigger guard. I don't know what it is about it but it just looks shite. Kind of like it was added as an afterthought and fashioned from a bit of steel they had lying around. I think it's a good looking rifle. The trigger guard is functional, and that's all that matters. "Form follows function" has a beauty all it's own. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:26:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 Two questions, where do they keep spare magazines on them with that uniform? Secondly aren't there many issues with the L85 (a board line sucky gun) or was that the older models. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:29:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I just can't take that rifle seriously. Helmet cam footage of British troops hunting and killing taliban. 3 KIAs  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6FvHXbB4TQBut, doesn't the SAS specifically avoid them, and use instead M4/M16? |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:34:58 PM EDT
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I just can't take that rifle seriously. Helmet cam footage of British troops hunting and killing taliban. 3 KIAs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6FvHXbB4TQBut, doesn't the SAS specifically avoid them, and use instead M4/M16? Don't know about specifically avoiding them. The SAS probably use a variety of weapons depending on the requirement of the job. 
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:37:14 PM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 Two questions, where do they keep spare magazines on them with that uniform? Secondly aren't there many issues with the L85 (a board line sucky gun) or was that the older models. Older model had issues that have ben resolved. Which Uniform are you referring to? |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:37:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: One of these days you have to come over here, stay with some fellow arfcomers, and shot their arsenal.I used the L86A1 LSW (Light Support Weapon) and the the L98A1 Cadet GP/DP (General Purpose/Drill Purpose) back when I was a little spotty Army Cadet. Never got the chance to handle the L85A1/A2, but the design always felt a bit clunky to me. Then again, I haven't used an AR type rifle either, so I have little to compare them to.  |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:37:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: The L85 only went into service in 1985. The SAS had already been using AR type rifles for a while, rather than the L1A1. So, as well as perhaps thinking it (AR) to be the superior rifle, they probably also wanted to stick with what they knew.But, doesn't the SAS specifically avoid them, and use instead M4/M16? .  |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:39:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: The Grenadier Guard uniform, I mean it doesn't look they have any spare pockets for magazines, radios, and other stuff.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 Two questions, where do they keep spare magazines on them with that uniform? Secondly aren't there many issues with the L85 (a board line sucky gun) or was that the older models. Older model had issues that have ben resolved. Which Uniform are you referring to? |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:44:36 PM EDT
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I just can't take that rifle seriously. Helmet cam footage of British troops hunting and killing taliban. 3 KIAs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6FvHXbB4TQBut, doesn't the SAS specifically avoid them, and use instead M4/M16? I would guess that the SAS, like some of our secret squirrels have much more leeway in weapons choice then regular line units. It would be interesting to hear why they go with AR type rifles so often though. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:46:14 PM EDT
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The Grenadier Guard uniform, I mean it doesn't look they have any spare pockets for magazines, radios, and other stuff.
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 Two questions, where do they keep spare magazines on them with that uniform? Secondly aren't there many issues with the L85 (a board line sucky gun) or was that the older models. Older model had issues that have ben resolved. Which Uniform are you referring to? The red coats don't actually wear red coats in battle any more ya know. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:55:09 PM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 Two questions, where do they keep spare magazines on them with that uniform? Secondly aren't there many issues with the L85 (a board line sucky gun) or was that the older models. Older model had issues that have ben resolved. Which Uniform are you referring to? If you are referring to the ceremonial red tunics then they are a dress uniform. 
They don't wear that uniform when in combat though
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Posted: 6/6/2012 5:33:43 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 Two questions, where do they keep spare magazines on them with that uniform? Secondly aren't there many issues with the L85 (a board line sucky gun) or was that the older models. Older model had issues that have ben resolved. Which Uniform are you referring to? If you are referring to the ceremonial red tunics then they are a dress uniform. http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/296/0/7/grenadier_guards_ii_by_neon_sunrise-d31cfdx.jpg They don't wear that uniform when in combat though
Why not?? They are so shiny!!
Heh, I couldnt imagine fighting in Dress Blues. That collar would be a bitch when keeping your head on a swivel. You'd choke yourself before the enemy even had a chance to shoot at you. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 5:58:16 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 Two questions, where do they keep spare magazines on them with that uniform? Secondly aren't there many issues with the L85 (a board line sucky gun) or was that the older models. Older model had issues that have ben resolved. Which Uniform are you referring to? If you are referring to the ceremonial red tunics then they are a dress uniform. http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/296/0/7/grenadier_guards_ii_by_neon_sunrise-d31cfdx.jpg They don't wear that uniform when in combat though
Why not?? They are so shiny!!
Heh, I couldnt imagine fighting in Dress Blues. That collar would be a bitch when keeping your head on a swivel. You'd choke yourself before the enemy even had a chance to shoot at you. It is worth remembering that the uniforms that royal guard regiments (both in Britain and in Denmark) wear, ARE old combat uniforms. The uniforms the Danes wear were used as a regular combat uniform in the wars of 1848, for example: 
Today, the Danish infantry Royal Guard regiment does occasionally train to fight in their dress uniform. Here are some pics (I've posted them before). 
(obviously, in those pics they're not wearing the guard pants, but still combat pants - no reason to get the pants dirty for training). The point is that when they guard the palaces and the persons of the royal family, the rifles are loaded with live rounds, and they ARE authorized to shoot people under certain circumstances. I obviously don't want to get into specifics, but there are far more weapons and ammo in the guard room, even if the individual guards don't carry a lot of reloads. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:20:05 AM EDT
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I don't know if they actually are, but those rifles always look like absolute pieces of garbage. They're not. Usual disadvantage of being a bullpup is the weak shouldered shooting, and they take some getting used to in terms of cleaning, but as a rifle they are very pointable and pleasant to shoot. Wasn't H&K hired to make those bullpups work properly? I seem to remember those expensive steel H&K mags advertised as part of H&K's systemic approach to improving the SA80/ Yeah - I think the first incarnation of the rifle was found to be less than satisfactory in some areas. H&K did some fettling and they are a great gun now. The magazines - not so sure - I have a few of the H&K mags and they are a much heavier construction. Whether they made any difference, or whether they were just sold as part of a solution looking for a problem I don't know. Yeah. Too bad we can't get a semi-auto version here in the States. I would love to have one, along with a SUSAT to mount on it. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:37:03 AM EDT
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I just can't take that rifle seriously. Betcha would at the business end of one.
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The Grenadier Guard uniform, I mean it doesn't look they have any spare pockets for magazines, radios, and other stuff.
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 Two questions, where do they keep spare magazines on them with that uniform? Secondly aren't there many issues with the L85 (a board line sucky gun) or was that the older models. Older model had issues that have ben resolved. Which Uniform are you referring to? If you are referring to the ceremonial red tunics then they are a dress uniform. http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/296/0/7/grenadier_guards_ii_by_neon_sunrise-d31cfdx.jpg They don't wear that uniform when in combat though
Why not?? They are so shiny!!
Heh, I couldnt imagine fighting in Dress Blues. That collar would be a bitch when keeping your head on a swivel. You'd choke yourself before the enemy even had a chance to shoot at you. It is worth remembering that the uniforms that royal guard regiments (both in Britain and in Denmark) wear, ARE old combat uniforms. The uniforms the Danes wear were used as a regular combat uniform in the wars of 1848, for example: http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40521 Today, the Danish infantry Royal Guard regiment does occasionally train to fight in their dress uniform. Here are some pics (I've posted them before). http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=29962 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=29963 (obviously, in those pics they're not wearing the guard pants, but still combat pants - no reason to get the pants dirty for training). The point is that when they guard the palaces and the persons of the royal family, the rifles are loaded with live rounds, and they ARE authorized to shoot people under certain circumstances. I obviously don't want to get into specifics, but there are far more weapons and ammo in the guard room, even if the individual guards don't carry a lot of reloads. Yea, the Marines used to fight in blues. It just seems like you would have really limited mobility 
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I was just watching the tail end of the Diamond Jubilee on Fox News and was wondering if anyone knew what kind of rifle the Grenadier Guard used for its gun salute. Just curious. Thank you. The five British foot guard regiments are infantry, and are issued the same rifle as other British combat troops - namely the updated SA80. What's it called now, the L85 or something? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=40512 I looked closely at the detail, and I couldn't see any flash suppressors on the muzzle of their rifles, so I'm inclined to believe the weapons were actually manually operated "Cadet" rifles, instead of actual L85A2s. Here's a pic I found of one on the errornet:L http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo359/Gunny1812/EnfieldCadet.gif nope, they had flash hiders Click the link and scroll down http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2154890/Diamond-Jubilee-2012-A-million-turned-cheer-Queen-Buckingham-Palace-balcony.html |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 7:25:46 AM EDT
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They're definitely not the L98A1, that is for damned sure. They have huge great fuck-off charging handles, part of which rests (and traverses) a huge, fuck-off external rail.
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